The Red Sox and southpaw Martín Pérez have agreed to join forces for a second consecutive season, per the Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (via Twitter). Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com confirms the deal, pending a physical. Pérez will earn a $4.5MM salary in 2021 with a $6MM option for 2022 that comes with a $500K buyout (Twitter links). He’ll also earn an extra $100K for every ten innings starting at 130 innings in 2021, with a max of $500K, adds Rosenthal. Pérez is represented by the OL Baseball Group.
Last year’s pact worked out well enough for both sides to essentially roll it back at a slightly lower price point. Boston declined its $6.25MM option this past November, instead paying a $500K buyout. After being guaranteed $6.5MM last year, Pérez signs for a $5MM guarantee this time around with the potential for an additional $6MM if Boston picks up their 2022 option.
Cotillo has said all winter that the Red Sox will need to add at least two arms for their rotation, so an agreement with Pérez doesn’t preclude a later deal for an arm like Garrett Richards, Matt Moore, or Jake Odorizzi. Still, Pérez fills a big hole as a safe bet to eat innings. He ably manned that post in 2020 for the Red Sox, averaging more than five innings per start over 12 starts. He had a 4.50 ERA/4.88 FIP with just a 17.6 percent strikeout rate, 10.7 percent walk rate, and 38.5 percent groundball rate.
While those numbers themselves won’t get the Red Sox back into contention, they represent an important level of consistency. A rebuilding club like Boston relies on rote veteran production at certain places on the roster in order to embolden the coaching staff and front office as they maneuver a grueling 162-game season. For example, they can resist the temptation to rush younger arms while Chris Sale works his way back from injury. In-game, they can be more conservative with Eduardo Rodriguez’s innings knowing that Pérez can help protect the bullpen from overuse.
Boston’s rotation, after all, is riddled with long-term injury concerns. As of right now, Pérez joins Rodriguez, Nathan Eovaldi, Tanner Houck and Nick Pivetta in their starting five, though as we mentioned above, Boston’s working with a dynamic pool of rotation candidates at this time. Rule 5 pick Garrett Whitlock could be a candidate for starts, Sale should return at some point during the season, and they’ll take a look at younger arms like Connor Seabold and Bryan Mata during spring training.
the epitome of a “meh” player
Sometimes meh.com has good values. Let’s hope he’s to be used as a number five and nothing more.
Looking at his last 5 seasons, “meh” might actually be his ceiling. But, looieb makes a good point. “Meh” is just fine if that’s your no.5 or maaaaybe even no.4. Also, in those last 5 seasons he has proven he is really good at soaking up innings. That is a very valuable asset..assuming he can at least be league average.
No, $5M (assuming the buyout) for one year is not just fine for a #5. That spot is typically reserved for trying out low-cost players like Pivetta and Houck. They didn’t want to spend on Kluber, if they don’t spend on Odorizzi or Tanaka then we will know they aren’t serious about competing this year. And for the love of God I wish they’d please stop using the absurd term “innings eater”. They said the same thing about Porcello his last few years, if eating innings means giving up five and a half runs per nine innings then I’d rather give somebody else a chance to actually keep us in games.
There is no chance the Sox will be in on Odirizzi or Tanaka now. Both are far too expensive. Bloom earned another steak dinner from JH today by saving him close to 2 million after declining Perez’s option and then resigning him for much less. This is why he was hired. Now he can go back to his dumpster diving to fill out the BP.
Five and a half runs per nine innings averages out to five inning starts giving up three runs, or six innings giving up 3.66 runs. That keeps a team with even an adequate offense in the game.
It’s nothing electrifying but paying a guy 5MM for that is a perfectly defensible move.
Top – agreed!
MASSLIVE
“Perez, who initially joined the Red Sox on a one-year deal last December, pitched well in 2020 and made a team-high 12 starts on the year. He finished with a 4.50 ERA in 62 innings, but that number is a bit inflated by his first and last starts, which were both rough outings against the Orioles at home. Between those two starts, Perez had a 3.57 ERA and held opposing batters to a .211 average in 10 outings between July 30 and Sept. 18.”
He had a 4.50 ERA not 5.50
Porcello won a Cy.
On average, teams win only 30% of games in which they give up more than 5 runs. If you’re assuming relievers won’t give up any runs in the 4 innings after Perez pitches his five, that’s a very unrealistic assumption even if the Red Sox had a league-average bullpen.
You can continue to base your opinion of Perez on 12 meaningless games last year, but most others will focus more on his 86 games during 2017-2019.
A 5.50 ERA is not acceptable lol are you joking? Let a no name rookie do that for under 1 million if that is all you want.
Your math is off. You are assuming that Perez gives up 5 rpg. He doesn’t; he gives up 4.5 runs for every 9 innings.
If Perez has a 4.50 ERA, and the RS are scoring 4.87, then Pereez is a .500 pitcher.
most others will focus more on his 86 games during 2017-2019.
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Most others actually don’t.. More specifically, no one in the world, except you, ignores the most current year. On a pure amateur analysis, they weigh the years on a 3/2/1 basis.
On a more sophisticated basis, they will examine K/W, GB/FB, EV, spin, etc,
The Red Sox whole rotation is going to be Eduardo Rodriguez and a bunch of number fives for a good portion of the season
Assuming ERod will be physically fine is a leap. Even if he makes his starts, fatigue could become an issue.
Rooting for ERod.
Rooting for him of course. First though is just his health as a person, then as a professional pitcher and finally as a starter. Who knows if he’ll have the stamina to start? He could end up being the team’s closer if it becomes an issue. Again, I’m first just rooting for his long term good health.
Looie, yes Martin Perez had good value in 2020, and this is a move I was certain would happen. Perez pitched better on the year than his W/L and ERA.
Martin Perez had an ERA of 4.50 on the year, but if you subtract the 2 starts at home against Baltimore (Reonicki left him in the game WAY too long in his last start against Baltimore) his ERA was 3.57 on the year. Perez’s last start blew up his ERA by like .75!
….rule for 2021 do not start him at home against Baltimore. Lol
In today’s MLBTR chat, someone proposed a Red Sox trade of Andrew Benintendi for Seattle righthander Justin Dunn, a Boston College product who last year posted an ERA of 4.34 in 10 starts.
Throw out his worst 2020 start, Dunn had an ERA of 3.34 in nine starts.
Similar cherry-picking of Martin Perez starts has correspondingly limited value.
Going through a player’s season usually leads to distortion of the stats. I don’t remember the specifics but if Perez was kept in the game too long that’s something that can be monitored. That said, too much monitoring and you affect his biggest plus, the innings he eats.
Exactly! Throwing out 17% of his starts during a joke of a 2020 season in which he didn’t pitch in any meaningful games is the epitome of cherrypicking.
The last game that blew up Perez’s ERA was an obvious case that he needed out. Roenecki was being oblivious! Perez’s ERA went from 3.88 to 4.50. It was one start, not like Matsuzaka who had to pulled at 5 innings in almost every start, because he was always over 100 pitches by then….
epitome of cherrypicking.
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And yet, you want to toss out 2020, and include 2017 in your analysis above.. You chose to include 2017-18-19, and then chose to exclude 2020, and anything prior to2017.
I dunno.
He provides some viable stability. That’s certainly not a bad thing. 30 starts of a 4.50 ERA is nothing to scoff at.
A “quality start” is defined as 6 innings of three earned run ball. So a guy like Perez is – more or less – a QS every fifth day.
After the Yanks signed Kluber yesterday I started looking at other available free agent starters. I would have been happy if the Yanks signed him. He’ll certainly help you navigate a long regular season.
That’s where I’m at on Perez. You think things like the no.5 spot is meant for low cost players until two or three of your starters get injured and you need someone too absorb those innings.
Personally, I’d rather stretch out Chad Greene and allow him to start followed by multiple Adam Warren innings than have a guy like Perez.
I get the sentiment.
I really don’t want to create another hole by doing that. Greene is a pretty integral part of the pen cocktail.
& I’m far too excited about the return of Adam Warren than could possibly be justified, serious. But I’m not sure how much we can really expect from him in ’21.
Man, the Yanks rotation simply needs more quantity right now. Guys like Perez & Teheran although super unexciting do provide that. I’m certainly hoping the Yanks are aiming higher than that. But pitchers like that could be helpful, too.
Long season.
More than usual teams are probably going to need innings covered this year.
Ducky – l watched every game last year and although Perez’s games included a few too many walks, he usually kept the RS in the game (the only blow outs were his first and last starts of the year, which were both at home against Baltimore). The 10 starts in between his ERA was 3.57, which is solid.
The RS need someone who has a history of making the start every 5 days through the entire season which Perez has done most recently with the Red Sox and Twins.
With this signing and the other addition Bloom has made (and will make) hopefully the days of Godley, Kickham, Hall, Leyer, Hart, ….. are all behind.
This is exactly what I’m saying, @yaz1971.
There’s nothing wrong with basic competence.
This false narrative that Perez had only two bad games, the first and last of the season, has to stop. In Game 5 he gave up 3 earned in just 3 innings. In Game 7 he gave up 6 earned in just 4 innings. In Game 9 he gave up 4 earned in just 5 innings. That’s 5 bad starts out of 12 for those who can count, hardly praise-worthy.
Fever Pitch Guy2 hours ago
That’s 5 bad starts out of 12 for those who can count, hardly praise-worthy.
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I think we’ve arrived at the break point. For those that can count, if 5-12 are bad games, then how many are good games? 7!
Here they are:
7.0 IP 1 ER
6.2 IP 1 ER
6.0 IP 0 ER
5.2 IP 2 ER
5.2 IP 2 ER
5.0 IP 0 ER
5.0 IP 2ER
By my estimation, before Perez, we need ~ 300 IPs from our rotation, assuming we don’t use an opener. That’s at least 2 SPs, and likely 3 SPs. Even going up to the cap, we don’t have enough money for 2.5 SPs, at least one RP, a CF, and maybe a 2B.
We needed low-cost innings, and with our offense, a 4.50 should be at least a .500 pitcher.
“Meh”-tin Perez
Meh is correct. Boring move for Red Sox. Would’ve gotten a little more excited if they said they resigned oil can Boyd. Lol.
So young.
Yet so jaded.
Absolutely right! Brian O’Halloran beginning of December: “We want — and we expect — to compete for the postseason and beyond in 2021,” ~ Do they ‘really’???? “Linked” to every FA and trade, NOTHING happens and the players all sign elsewhere! Negative narrative ‘again’! JANUARY 16th AND WE STILL DON’T KNOW IF THE RED SOX ARE TRYING TO FIELD A COMPETITIVE TEAM!
If they acquire a good starting pitcher and a very good closer, then they are all in. Otherwise, lipstick on a pig.
As of today the Sox are basically rolling out the same team as 2020 if E-Rod is not fully healthy
The epitome of a pointless and un-creative post. Capitalize your sentences, end them with periods (it’s the little dot on your keyboard). And “meh” is not a word. It’s a sound. If you’re going to post a comment, let’s at least get to a first grade reading level.
your criticism is “meh” at best.
Everyone else manages to pull off the basics here. It’s time for you to catch up. To first grade. I promise, it’s not that hard to use basic grammar and make your posts readable. The way you type reads like the way Cookie Monster talks.
‘ let’s at least get to a first grade reading level.’
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‘Let’s’? Isn’t ‘let’s a contraction for ‘let us’? If the criticism is pointed at other person, then why include yourself in the criticism?
In an attempt to make him feel less dumb. The truth is no one should have to explain basic grammar to a grown man.
1-It is the internet. In today’s world, all that is required, on the internet, is to clearly express your thoughts.
2-“In an attempt to make him feel less dumb.” is an incomplete sentence. In my first. We got a new boss, and his first order of business, for some bizarre reason, was to correct everyone’s memo writing. So the first person he brings in was an older co-worker. As luck would have it, she had been an English teacher before she joined the company. She spent 15 minutes correcting everything he said.
Next in was a younger coworker As luck would have it, both his parents were college English professors, and he spent maybe 10 minutes correcting my boss.
This is what you look like to me. If you want to do something as painfully sophomoric as correcting someone’s grammar on the internet, you owe it to yourself to be correct.
More diving for treasure
But they joined “forces.” Forces, man!
Red Sox make their big splash
So does anyone think they are still in the running for Odirizzi? Would love to see a 3 year contract and hope they can compete by then.
Sounds like they are fishing in the shallow end of the lake for guppies. Odorizzi is in the deep end of the lake with the remaining big fish. My prediction is that a reunion with Brandon Workman is up next, then Mitchy two-bags.
We need to give Dalbec first base.
Dalbec still needs to earn it and cut down on his 40 percent strikeout rate.
You nailed it. I would not be at all shocked to see bothWorkmanandMoreland signed. They both fit the budget. I can’t stand John Henry anymore.
I can’t stand John Henry anymore.
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Yeah, I am definitely running out of room in my closet for World Series sweatshirts.
Joe – lol lol lol
Build a bigger closet.
Both are strong possibilities. I don’t see the team doing multiple year deals other than with Devers if he’ll commit until we know more about COVID and when fans will return.
I have been saying Moreland and Pillar with a couple of cheap starters and a closer since Nov 8.. If E Rod, Evo, and Sale are healthy in June they trade for an over priced SP in his walk year and go for it. If the team looks like it can’t compete they trade everyone in their walk year , There are no bad one yr contracts. PS I still like Hill on an incentive laden deal.
I agree on about everything. Moreland and Pillar have worked out well for us. Hill is always an injury issue, But over the past 7 years, at a minimum of 500 IPs, Hill has the #4 ERA in baseball. He is a good bet for 100 high-quality innings.
NOT WORKMAN pluuuueeeeeze! The problem is Bloom can’t compete with the big hitters as GMs. He’s been beaten too many times for Redsox Nation to have faith. I do not have faith, he scares me. The only players he has faith in are the recycled ones from Tampa. They need a Bullpen, and other than Workman, whose left?
He’s been beaten too many times for Redsox Nation to have faith.
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Nonsense.
1-You have no idea who we are in on. Unless you are one of the delusional ones who thinks Bloom is telling them who he wants.
2-On a limited budget, we can only afford $x.xx amount of players. We can afford any single player, if we wanted to pay $20M a year for Kendriks, for example, But we cannot afford much else if we follow your vision for just simply paying out the most money.
A career 4.71 ERA innings-eater. Well, somebody has to be on the mound. But this is what the Red Sox are interested in? If anything, it’s a reassuring move for the other teams in the division.
The Red Sox, if you’ve been following, are “interested” in just about everybody
Come on now. I bet the guy has a WICKED 90 mph two seamer that completely underwhelms opposing teams!!!
Sorry, just cracking bad jokes. Someone once told me I was funny and I believed them and now everyone suffers. =D
Whether bloom and ownership admit it or not, Boston has earned a reputation as a ‘rebuilding” team for now 2 offseasons, NOT a contender.
You can only sign who is willing to come at the price you offer. There’s 3 options:
1) bloom/Henry are being cheap, and let themselves be outbid even if slightly on everyone;
2) the team really is just riding out big contracts and stockpiling prospects with no inte tion to compete with this core as it appears;
3) FAs look at bloom’s moves and the roster and just don’t want to play in Boston when sp many better chances to contend are available.
I’m going to with #1. Boston is one of the biggest markets and the owner is very wealthy. It’s his prerogative. #2 doesn’t say much since you need to spend to compete. Based on their track records, Sale, ERod, Bogaerts, Martinez, and Devers are an excellent core when they play up to expectations. #3 I don’t buy into players not wanting to play in the city of Boston as the some sports journalists want to portray. There are plenty of other worse teams to play for with no light at the end of their tunnels.
The team is looking long term, waiting for COVID to fully be in the mirror AND for their re-built farm to pay dividends. Who did you want them to get? Kluber could have helped but would he have put the team over the top? Also, for a one year deal, the Yankees are far more ready to win in 21 so how much more would the Sox have had to offer to get him?
As a Yankees fans, I don’t really have a reaction towards this Perez signing really. Boston signing Kluber is wasteful since he’ll add only a few marginal wins, if that, so Im in agreement with you.
Looie and lower are correct. No one the Red Sox add for 2021 puts them in the WS picture.
Even Springer and Bauer do not improve the RS enough to put them in a the WS. There are to many players that need to rebound: Sale, E-Rod, JD, Benintendi, a CF, a 2B, bullpen….
lowereastsider60 mins ago
I’m going to with #1.
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#1 is ridiculous for two reasons.
1-To say Bloom is being cheap is not even something that can be discussed. It’s not his money. No GM sets the budget, or else every budget would be $300M.
2-The RS will likely have the #2 payroll in BB this year. My guess is that the RS payroll wil be $209,999,999, same as the NYY and NYM.
If you want to complain about the players he signed, and will sign, so be it. If you want to complain about the RS being cheap, when 27 other teams complain about us spending too much, that’s kind of preposterous.
Well, let’s start from the top and work down…
Jbj back in CF.
Wong into 2B.
Kiki in utility slot.
Hendricks, may, hand in RP – pick any 2 of 3.
Dive into the SP market. You could mix one of the Japanese posted arms with 2 rebound candidates, AND, move eovaldi into the closer slot.
Sign Moreland to 1B and make Devers compete with dalbec for 3b. If dalbec can win out, Devers plays some 1b and some dh, especially if JDM continues to look like a bum without access to in game pitching footage.
Has you started out aggressive and repaired the RP and a few other slots above, other guys would view you as a contender and may jump on board for a 1-2 year deal seeing a chance to win.
Instead we get bloom and another losing season.
Right now Sox are at about 173m in cbt salary including benefits, deferred salary, and the 16m bloom foolishly is paying price to play for the dodgers when he didn’t allocate the 16m he saved towards any respectable replacement.
Could’ve kept price and been at 189m cbt, plus gotten the same or better return on mookie
That precisely sums up the situation. As pointed out in the globe today, Bloom is incrementally improving the team and adding pieces as he goes. There’s no question the pitching will be better. Not markedly but somewhat better. I’m willing to give them all the time they need. Rebuilding doesn’t happen overnight.
How is the pitching better?
Jbj back in CF. (Yes)
Wong into 2B. (Yes)
Kiki in utility slot. (go with Arroyo)
Hendricks, may, hand in RP – pick any 2 of 3. (Hendriks is signed?)
Dive into the SP market. You could mix one of the Japanese posted arms with 2 rebound candidates, AND, move eovaldi into the closer slot.
*****I think there is enough US talent available to not have to gamble with Japanese pitchers. I think Hill will be a good 120 IP pitcher, and about the same for Richards*********
Sign Moreland to 1B and make Devers compete with dalbec for 3b. If dalbec can win out, Devers plays some 1b and some dh,
********I’ve prefer to see if Cora can squeeze some more production from Devers. Before considering Dalbec for 3rd, I’d like (a) to find out if Dalbec is a real player, and (b) wait for a promotion by Casas to upgrade 1st. Bringing back Moreland (and Pillar) at maybe $3M can’t hurt.********
especially if JDM continues to look like a bum without access to in game pitching footage. ***************My guess is that JDM is still inside his own head. I think he is too good to allow himself to let this continue.
We have $29-30M left after Perez. The players mentioned above might be $27M. And it would be a good team.
And, while some folks are caught up on our small market, $210M payroll, history has taught us that Henry will blow thru the payroll cap should the opportunity present itself.
@joe Brady- that was my answer to earlier comment by looked, as to who would you have wanted bloom to go after.
The rps would’ve been signed by now, and many other players that may have been attainable now are not.
The better your team is, the more likely the rebound or late career players may be to join you, AND, sometimes at a lower rate to join what is viewed as a contender instead of just a paycheck to stay in the game.
@JoeBrady
Why would I assume that any GM is signing checks? The RS, as of yesterday’s arb deadline date, are ranked #7 in terms of payroll outlay for 2021. Besides their lack of desire to keep Betts, I haven’t complained about any moves the RS have made in years. Before that, it was the Panda signing. Hanley, to me, was justified. In fact, I complain way, way more about the Yankees’ tip-toeing around the LTT as a team that can clearly pay penalties and still profit easily. But it is what it is. Their money, not mine.
The RS, as of yesterday’s arb deadline date, are ranked #7 in terms of payroll
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And the key word there is ‘yesterday’. If anyone, and I repeat anyone, in here wants a substantial wager on whether or not the RS are over $200M in payroll this year, I will gladly take that bet, assuming you are local to me, and we can let a trustworthy barkeep hold the money.
The very idea that Henry is suddenly going cheap, after having spent to the cap, or over it, every year since he owned the team, is laughable.
The sad part is that they’ve done a bad job rebuilding so the last two years were just wasteful.
Agreed pwndroia.
Mostly what bloom accomplished was wasting controlled, younger, talented years of a core that should’ve been either built around, or traded off.
pwndroia12 mins ago
The sad part is that they’ve done a bad job rebuilding so the last two years were just wasteful.
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That’s ridiculous. First off, it is not two years. 2019 was not a rebuild. It was an all-in year, just the opposite of a rebuild. Secondly, to judge the 2020, after -0- seasons, is equally ridiculous. Verdugo is more and more often regarded as a star in the making. And the kids we received in the late-season selloff are well regarded. And the only one of them that has any data to go by, which is Pivetta, did very well for us.
The Betts trade is the only worthwhile deal I’ve seen. You are right, I shouldn’t have included 2019, but Bloom has not exactly done a full rebuild. Its only been halfway and that’s the problem. You don’t get far by living off a rotation of mediocre pitchers.
The Betts trade is the only worthwhile deal I’ve seen.
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I would concede that a trade is a matter of personal preference, but we gave up nothing, and received #8, 16, 18, 25, and Pivetta, in return. How are these not worthwhile deals?
#2
Wooohoo!
Status quo for a last place team.
I guess Chaim Bloom’s brand of genius is the stealthy type.
Who needs Corey Kluber? Also how much was the Perez option coming into the off-season?
6.25M was the option on the 2021 season, so they saved $1.25M by giving him a new contract. Still seems like a waste of money.
@Fever Pitch Guy — They also had to pay the $500K buyout on the original contract, so they only saved $750,000 total.
@oddvark That was factored in. If they had picked up the option, it would have cost them $6.25M for 2021. Because they didn’t, it cost them $5M in 2021 (this year’s salary plus the $500K buyout). The difference between the $6.25M and the $5M is the $1.25M
Everyone cheering that signing is thinking Cy Young Kluber. He may be DL Kluber. Not saying it was a bad signing, but a bit of a wild card.
Kluber is popular because some of the commentators have heard his name. And he could be good. But there is usually an average of 1 good 36 year old pitcher per year. I looked for 2010-2020, and depending on whether you use a 4.00 or less FIP, 10+ wins, or 2+ WAR, there might be a total of 10-12 guys over that period.
“He may be DL Kluber.”
You’re absolutely correct. That is a definite risk. Pretty much the same chance the Sox have with DL Sale.
to be fair, if they dont intend to really go for it and dont buy Kluber’s health holding up then such a move just harms their draft position, blocks prospects more, and takes more out of ownership’s pockets (the savings of which may allow them to spend a bit later)
me want cooookie
PEREZ DAY EVERYDAY BABY
It’s great that the Red Sox are interested. I bet they’re quaking in their boots at Yankee Stadium over how interested those guys in Boston are.
I didn’t know ducks wore boots?
I think you thought he wrote quacking, in which case, he didn’t.
Ahh I see my mistake. I’m embarrassed now lol. I definitely read that too quickly
Claim Bloom = Paul DePodesta
Should we go with “Cheap Chaim” or “Bargain Bloom”? Personally I’m fond of the former.
So far his legacy is (whether it’s fair or not) the guy who traded Mookie Betts. A second straight losing season will not go over well with a fan base that expects a competitive product.
I prefer the nicknames “Coupon King” or “The Clearance Rack Reaper”
It could be ownership telling Bloom to go cheap until ticket revenue returns in 2022. There’s also the “5-year Rule” whereby fans aren’t allowed to complain about the product on the field until it’s been at least 5 years since the last championship.
It could be ownership telling Bloom to go cheap
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I generally consider the average RS fan to be BB-IQ deficit, but even I am shocked by how many RS fans think that the GM establishes the budget, and not the owner.
Stop complaining.
Dime Chaim
I consider 2019 as a losing season too
Bargain Bloom
Solid move by Boston.
And everyone laughs at the Orioles pitching
I’m still laughing at it.
Long season so a dependable #5 “meh”helps save the bullpen and leaves the young arms in the minors to develop. Has a better last 2 years than Kluber at less than 50% the cost. Yes- not the upside but statistically a much saver move that eats more innings. I like it.
A “dependable” starter is one with a 5.21 ERA over the last three normal seasons? Riiiggghhhttt …… let’s ignore 2017-2019 and go with the joke of a 2020 season that didn’t have him pitching in any meaningful games whatsoever ;O)
John Henry likes the fact that Bloom saved him just under 2 million on Perez. That is why Bloom was hired. Red Sox will be lucky to finish ahead of the orioles in 2021
Bloom is in “Rube Goldberg” cheap mode of patchwork dumpster and throwaways. Henry is a businessman and now is looking to take profit.
That Matt Moore and “MLB Pitcher” are mentioned in the same article is a pretty good summation of Chaim Bloom’s legacy.
That said the Sox will probably do better this year; not EVERYBODY can poop the bed the way they did last year. But without significant upgrades (no, not Marty Perez), it’s a .500 team.
Right now, the Yanks have the division by a landslide.
Yankees 95-67.
Tampa Bay 90-72
Toronto 84-78
Red Sox 79-83
Orioles 74 -88
Likely to be pretty close. Could be tough for the Rays, and the Jays are “in on” Grover Cleveland Alexander.
As a Red Sox fan, I’m not saying I need any big ticket free agents, but when I keep seeing moves like this, it’s just laughable.
Perez is a “serviceable” body to plug into the rotation, and that’s taking an optimistic view. For most teams he’d be nothing more than a depth move. Nobody expects BOS to even show fake interest in Bauer, but signing Perez sends a clear message to me that they’re still treading water.
Treading water would be a positive sign. Bloom is sinking and turning the team into a cheap payroll retread team. Should do the fan base wonders this year
Really? It shows me nothing.
If they still get another starter, this pushes Houck back into the bullpen. So that might help.
We’re back Baby !!!! Bloom is knocking the Off Season Dead. Another Mediocre Cheap pickup by the “Rube Goldberg” patch together team philosophy of Bloom. It is going to be another great year!!!!
As he enters his 10th MLB season, he carries a *career* ERA of 4.71. A 5.30 over the last three seasons along with a 5.00 FIP and an 87 ERA+. Your team is raising the white flag if Perez is one of your starting five.
Bloom only picks up the best!
AL34 – maybe you would be happier as a Dodger fan!
How do you like Blooms Transactions this year my friend? He is in on everything and picks up nothing then settles for garbage and cheapies!
AL34 – maybe you like all the San Diego transactions! They always have been in need of fans. Can they count on you…..my friend.
I keep getting hit up to buy season tickets too. So frustrating. Hopefully we aren’t done.
If the RS sign Mike Minor, would that entice you click the purchase button? Asking for friend whose name may or not be Bloom.
Hard to sign someone on the Kansas City Royals.
Do you just come here to insult people? You should be ashamed.
you would be wise to decline
Looks like the Sox are gearing up for a season of mediocrity. If that’s the best route to another championship down the road, okay. I just resent the reporting earlier in the off-season that the Red Sox were planning to be aggressive in free agency.
They are being aggressive… in the bottom end of the market.
It’s like a dog scrambling to get the table scraps, gotta move fast for the best garbage
Except what has Bloom done for “down the road”?
LOL, 11MM for Kluber is an “OMG what an overpay!” but 4.5MM for someone who has NO business pitching at the MLB level is a “great sign!”
He’s pretty awful.
2021 WS champs baby!
Tsss it’s like they contentors or somefin…
Pathetic; this is exactly what I wanted to see after the Yankees get Kluber. Bloom needs to be in charge of youth development and NOT the GM of a top tier team. What’s next….who cares.
Bloom getting no love from Sox fans after this.
Bloom wasn’t getting love from many Sox fans BEFORE this.
It’s basically what’s expected out of him.
He was roughly league average last season and eats innings. Not bad for a back end starter when you need guys to soak up innings.
I feel like I’ve seen this movie before…
Somebody was finally right! The Sox are going to be active this weekend. Party! We signed someone. Perez.Yahoo! Wait!!! Bloom… we didn’t win the World Series last year. Let’s not bring the whole band back. Sheesh! Ok ok ok! This may be our only signing from last year. But… @ this pace ol boy. I’m falling asleep over here. Try Hand, Oro whatever the heck way you spell his name? Ozuna, Quintana, trade Benny for a number four pitcher to save you that 6.6 mill & please, please, please surprise us all w/ a friggun winner of any kind. Other than that Bloom. Go get em Tigger!
Hand has signed already. think Workman
Hand hasn’t signed yet.
Hunter Renfroe and Martin Perez. Exciting stuff.
I would’ve rather they brought back Porcello than re-sign Perez. Porcello is durable. and has had success pitching in Boston. They probably could’ve got him for around the same money if not less.
Porcello is just as terrible
Porcello had a FIP in the mid 3.xx last season. He was a victim in part of the Mets around him. If he wasn’t out of the stretch as often he may have been even stronger.
Porcello is better than perez.
Interesting thought. Outside of Gimenez, the Mets don’t put much fielding out there. Porcello seems to have gotten some benefit from HR/FB by moving from Fenway to Shea, but his BABIP skyrocketed, even though his exit velocity was relatively good.
He could be a solid bounce back candidate, though I usually don’t consider that after two bad seasons.
Another interesting porcello trend is the good/bad cycle. He normally has a good year every other season his entire career.
As you said, he basically matched his career best HR rate, but, looking past babip (defense related in part) he had encouraging k/9 increase, and, his bb/9 remained consistent with previous levels.
Getting back to his good/bad cycle, in years he’s been “on” he usually registers his highest pitch and inning counts. The slump years that follow may be indicative of fatigue to some extent.
You wonder if a skipper used some restraint on pitch/innings limits if Rick could become a more consistently better pitcher year after year. Its easy to be tempted to ride the horse as long as you can, but… it would be an interesting experiment anyways.
The low pitch and innings counts for porcellos 2020 workload make me think he has plenty in the tank for a 2021 effort with solid defense behind him. With the caveat of that solid defense I could see a 3.7x era for a 2021 season.
Either way, I wouldnt want either
Porcello’s career FIP is easily over 4.
Perez was a 1 WAR player in 2020, Porcello was a .1 WAR player… how is he better? 2020 is a small sample size either way and Porcello has a career FIP over 4. They are both the story of mediocrity.
@pwndroia…
You have to look at the deeper numbers, not just w-l record, not just era… and CERTAINLY not ‘war’ which is a horrible stat with pitchers.
12 starts, 62 IP, 8hr, 28 BB, 46K. 4.88 FIP, 6.7 K/9, 1.64 so/w
12 starts, 59 IP, 5hr, 15 BB, 54K. 3.33 FIP, 8.2 K/9, 3.60 so/w
Who is the better pitcher, first or second stat line?
@pwndroia… also, to show worthlessness of war in pitching, fangraphs rated Perez as worth 0.4 war in 2020, porcello as 1.7 war in 2020….
You’re showing me one season of pitching, which wasnt even full. The point of my argument either way id that both Porcello and Perez are worthless additions in our current condition. It doesn’t matter which is better, they are a #5 pitcher at best. I think Perez has more upside but he is still bad. I looked at FIP BTW, which is a great stat. Never said anything about ErA or w/l record. FIP outside of 2020 btw
I think Porcello has been hurt over the yrs but never spoke up after his Cy yr. just my opinion no facts but it would account for his ups n downs.
Chaim Bloom with no news again. This is what we get for missing out on Kluber
Bloom was out played by a brilliant GM, Cashman. Bloom has not showed he can play with the heavy hitting GMs.
He never deserved Cy Young. It was a fluke and should have gone to Verlander.
Cashman is far from a brilliant GM.
Cashman has consistently failed to close the deal.
2017 — Cashman refuses to block Astros from getting Verlander — Astros win WS.
2018 — Cashman refuses to include Andujar in G Cole trade.– Bos wins WS.
2019 — Cashman refuses to match Nats offer for Corbin — Nats win WS.
He’s okay. Not sure what they see that I don’t but it’s alright.
Archie Bradley signed for 6mm?, why were we not in on him..?
I’m happy. He handled himself well and I think he’s on an upswing in his career. He also seemed to actually love the pressure of Boston.
I like Perez.
“No you dont. Nobody likes him”
Kluber signed with a team that has a chance to win. The Sox are not going anywhere near the CBT with the world in a pandemic/depression. The gate provides 38% of team revenue. With all the uncertainty of the future, Bloom has done an excellent job. His job has literally just begun. They emptied the farm and won in 18. He will right the ship
Chain Chaim? I don’t believe that Chaim is on an ownership salary cap leash. JH has never been afraid to spend money. In a non-Covid year, he may have been fired. If he doesn’t fix the pitching, he’ll be looking for a job by September 1. The 5.0 ERA reclamation projects were a disaster. The opener had mild success in Tampa.. with six guys that threw 97+. Chaim, you aren’t in Tampa anymore.
1-2 yr contracts as a bridge to future talent, gotcha. Reclamation projects: how about Quintana, Taij Walker, Richards, Hammels, Archer or DeSclafani? Cheap Chaim won’t sign Hand or Odorizzi or even Richards. Goodness Chaim, just keep the chain from hanging around your neck in yr 2 & sign Jon Lester (with apologies)! He is still a better Fenway SP than Perez.
Cheap Chain Chaim’s Best PLAYOFF lineup to save his job:
Verdugo
Devers
Xander
Michael Brantley
The OG JD Martinez
Moreland/Dalbec
Vasquez
JBJ or Pillar
Jonathan Profar or Schoop
Renfroe versus lefties
Starters:
Sale
True #2 SP, trade deadline acquisition
E Rod
Quintana or Hamels or Hill
Lester
Perez
Pivetta
Houck
Closer: Eovaldi
If Eov starts then spend the starter money on Rosenthal or Colome
Brantley (2/$28M?) is the big money acquisition followed by a SP/RP. JBJ could be tough to fit in, but I think he will make less than he did last year (2/$15?). Presumably, this follows a Benni trade to save money and increase organizational talent to trade for a #2, Luis Castillo anyone? Chaim will wait to the end and penny pinch as usual, but this team is under the CBT.
Brantley fits in nicely & with the real JD, the Red Sox are in the playoffs. Can we beat the Yankees? Yes, if Sale wins game one.
Don’t believe me? The Red Sox 2020 AL offensive rankings: AVG 1st, OBP/OPS/SLG 3rd, RBI/Runs 5, SB/HR 6. This lineup is much better. It’s just hard to win games when you’re out of it in the 3rd inning!
DD’s “rebuild” lineup*
Verdugo
Gregorious
Xander
Michael Brantley
The OG JD Martinez
Devers
Moreland/Dalbec
JBJ
Vasquez
Sale
Odorizzi
E Rod
Hill
Lester
And a #1 at the deadline!
Hand
Rosenthal
Eovaldi
and help at the deadline!
*Take away the word “rebuild” and double D signs Bauer AND Springer. Red Sox over the Dodgers in six, IMHO.
I can’t believe I miss DD. Get it done Chaim, else click your heels and wake up in Tampa.
If they get fans back I bet they STILL raise ticket prices.
I wonder if they are going to sell the team. They are shedding payroll without one interesting trade or signing to improve the team or increase salary.
My bet is they are hoping JD Martinez, E-Rod and Sale somehow show some value for a contender to pick up some prospects. Though I think Sale is a long shot to be bounce back and be worth that contract so they are probably stuck.
My bet is they are hoping JD Martinez, E-Rod and Sale somehow show some value for a contender to pick up some prospects.
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Conversely, if JDM, ERod, and Sale all come back successfully, we will make the playoffs.
Ohhh … but according to you, what players did last “season” is what they are. So because of what JD did in 54 games last “season” he is now a .213/.291/.389 hitter … ain’t that right? Since 2020 is all that matters to you, right?
Fever Pitch Guy
No, I don’t think you understood the exchange.
Goose said ‘hoping JD Martinez, E-Rod and Sale somehow show some value’.
My response was that, if those three players show value, we will make the playoffs. I never predicted what they would do. I can, if you want, but it have no relevance to my comment to Goose.
So when you said “if JDM comes back successfully” you acknowledged he is closer to the feared slugger who raked from 2017-2019 instead of the guy who struggled to adapt to the absurdity of a 60-game joke of a 2020 “season”. Cool, so we agree that the 2020 SSS should not be used as the sole barometer when assessing a player’s current value … which is why we don’t use just 2020 to call Perez a 4.50 pitcher while ignoring his horrendous prior campaigns.
“Cool, so we agree that the 2020 SSS should not be used as the sole barometer when assessing a player’s current value …”
Of course, that goes without saying. What you were attempting to do was to ignore 2020 completely, since undermined your model based solely on Perez’s three worst years.
That said, it is still in no way relevant to my response to Goose, which was based on Goose’s hypothesis of ‘if’ those three players had valuable seasons.
That is false, I used his three most recent years. I did not use his 2nd-worst 2012 season. 60 games does not constitute a “year” in most people’s eyes. I do agree with you on other issues, such as JH is dictating the budget that Bloom has to work with. If Bloom had a similar budget to that of Dombrowski, Perez probably wouldn’t have been signed.
You can continue to base your opinion of Perez on 12 meaningless games last year, but most others will focus more on his 86 games during 2017-2019.
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“A “dependable” starter is one with a 5.21 ERA over the last three normal seasons? Riiiggghhhttt …… let’s ignore 2017-2019 and go with the joke of a 2020 season”
You did not use his most three recent years. You purposely left out 2020. You don’t get to decide which years constitute the most recent three.
It’s hard to believe that every season Martin Perez manages to “break the bank” as far as a nice contract goes. His agent could be a first ballot HOFer!! Never been a big Perez fan myself and, if he were a RHP, he’d probably be out of the game for 2 or 3 seasons now or working on minor league deals. He did show a little worth in those 10 starts amid the 2 horrible GS to bookend 2020. But can he be counted on in a pennant race?
He is a mediocre pitcher and teams keep throwing money at him. Isn’t better to spend a little more and get a good pitcher instead of throwing money at mediocrity? I just do not see a long term with players like this when the rotation needs help now.
He’s a LHP who stays relatively healthy and is cheaper than the many starting pitchers who are better than him. That’s the appeal, nothing more.
He did show a little worth in those 10 starts amid the 2 horrible GS to bookend 2020.
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By my estimation, if the RS score exactly 4.87 rpg (season average) for each of Perez’ starts, then the RS would’ve won 7 of Perez’ 12 starts. Most of the critics won’t go to the trouble of researching the numbers, but Perez had 7 starts where he allowed 2 runs or less.
I think that’s what the RS were looking at.
Offering Al Avila for a third of a bucket of baked beans…
Any takers?
If i don’t take Avila can i at least have the bucket?
Chaim Bloom is driving Red Sox Nation crazy with his indecisiveness.. Bloom is WAY in over his head in Boston.. He really doesn’t know how to run a big market baseball team in the Boston Red Sox at ALL.. He needs to stop penny-pinching so much & go out & get the player we need to win now & for the future.. If Chaim Bloom keeps the starting rotation the way it is right now 2021 season is a lost cause.. With all of our young talent the Red Sox only have a small window of opportunity to be serious contenders for a World Series Championship & than it rebuild time again.. The Boston Red Sox MUST strike now while they only need to add a few pieces to win another World Series or 2.. That’s what Bloom doesn’t get.. The players that he’s added so far this offseason ARE NOT going to even come close to making The Boston Red Sox a World Series caliber team in any way shape or form.. The only decent signing is Hunter Renfroe & he’s a 4th outfielder option at best.. SO GET TO WORK CHAIM BLOOM & SIGN THE GUY’S WE NEED TO WIN NOW & FOR THE FUTURE.. SO JUST SIGN MARCELL OZUNA 5 YEARS.. KIKÍ HERNANDEZ AT LEAST 2 YEARS.. BRAD HAND 3 YEARS.. ALEX COLOMÉ 2-3 YEARS.. KEVIN PILLAR/JOC PEDERSON/EDDIE ROSARIO.. ANY ONE OF THESE PLAYERS CAN FIT THE BILL IN BOSTON.. USE BENINTENDI AS A STARTING POINT TO TRADING FOR OAKLANDS AJ PUK TO FILL THE HOLE IN THE STARTING ROTATION SINCE ALL THE FREE AGENTS ARE TAKEN.. HEY BLOOM.. DO YOUR JOB ALREADY BECAUSE FAILURES NOT AN OPTION IN NEW ENGLAND !!!
Chaim Bloom is driving Red Sox Nation crazy with his indecisiveness.
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IT’S NOT BLOOM’S PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE NO PATIENCE. nO GOOD WILL EVER COME OUT OF BEING THE FASTEST TO SIGN PLAYERS.
The team is done and they are in a cheap mode of dumping off established players for “Prospects” who are cheaper snd are controlled. Henry dictated this to Bloom who is in way over his head for a large market team. I was criticizing this guy over a year ago over the Mookie Betts deal, one decent player and two prospects. The Red Sox had the money to sign him and chose not to. Until this team puts together a plan and spends money don’t waste your money seeing them. They have become the Tampa Bay Red Sox
I know Chaim Bloom has been bargain hunting this far in the off-season by making millions of the Red Sox Nation very frustrated but he can redeem himself by signing either Joc Pederson or Marcell Ozuna.. Then sign Brad Hand & Alex Colomé then finally sign Masahiro Tanaka or if they are trading Benintendi center a package around him for the Oakland A’s A.J. Puk.. Puk has 6 year’s of control left & he’s already been compared to a young Randy Johnson.. The Redsox could definitely put a package together to acquire A.J. Puk !!!