Justin Turner has four options on the table that would place him on a contender, with the Dodgers and Blue Jays two of the four, per MLB Insider Jon Heyman (via Twitter). Still, Heyman notes, the Dodgers are confident they will be able to bring Turner back to Chavez Ravine. The hold-up continues to be the length of the deal, as Los Angeles targets a two-year pact, while the 36-year-old seeks four years. Speculatively speaking, looking for other potential landing spots leads naturally to the NL East, where any of the Braves, Nationals, Mets, or Marlins could theoretically find room for Turner. Elsewhere…
- The Nationals responded today with a statement to recent cuts made by the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. The Nats’ years-long headache over MASN – the local sports network co-owned by the Nationals and Orioles, but controlled by the Orioles – took another turn this week as on-air personalities Dan Kolko, Bo Porter, and Alex Chappell were let go without prior notice being given to the Nats, per Ben Strauss and Jesse Dougherty of the Washington Post. In the Nationals’ statement, provided by the Athletic’s Britt Ghiroli (via Twitter), they wrote, “…To say that we are incredibly disappointed and upset by MASN’s decisions would be a gross understatement. To be clear – these decisions were made by MASN and against our wishes…” Porter, of course, was a coach with the Nationals from 2011 to 2012 and later managed the Astros for the 2013 and 2014 seasons. He has teamed with Kolko on pre- and postgame shows since 2019, during which time Chappell has served as a dugout reporter.
- Omar Minaya will accept an ambassadorship with the Mets to be a public presence for the organization, per Mike Puma of the New York Post (via Twitter). Minaya’s relationship with the Mets dates back to childhood, but his professional career began drawing notice during his time as an assistant general manager from 1998 to 2001. He became the Mets’ general manager from 2004 until 2010, when he was succeeded by Sandy Alderson. After four years with the Padres and some time working for the MLBPA, Minaya returned to serve as one of Alderson’s lieutenants in 2017. He stayed on with the team through the Brodie Van Wagenen era, but he was let go as part of the housecleaning under the new ownership of Steve Cohen. Minaya now returns for his fourth stint with the team. It does not sound as if Minaya will have any impact on baseball operations.
I hadn’t looked into the MASN story very deep, but holy crap they sound like a scummy group.
Jays better not even THINK about handing Turner a 4-year contract.
I can’t believe any team would even take his agents call if he wants 4 years. Every team would be wise and come out and say we’ve made a team rule and nobody over the age of 36 gets more than one year ever.
It’s his last contract and he’s posturing. All said and done he gets a 2 yr deal with LAD and some options/ vesting language for a 3rd if he’s lucky. I’ma guess they want him back, but he doesn’t have the sway to get anything towards a 3rd year
He should have two years subtracted automatically as punishment for being an imbecile while being freshly diagnosed with Covid; then kindly spreading it to his teammates and exposing elderly people to it, like his manager.
Go away
Sir, you’re shouting into the abyss. Covid kills, and kills bad. Wear a mask, even in your car.
LOL
U forgot to blame djt too
Who’s that? My bad on the initials. I want to give credit where credit is due
Goes without saying.
One nobody else got Covid both teams tested negative and were allowed to go home the following day.
Two he just didn’t magically have it in the 8th inning. If Turner had it he had it the entire game. He had been in contact with his teammates and the Rays players for hours before, 10 mins after the game didn’t really matter.
Three his teammates asked him to come onto the field after the game which means they knew he tested positive and they still wanted him with them. They are the only people in this situation that were at risk and they accepted the risk. Get over it.
Great point, he didn’t just get it in the eighth inning. So he had it the whole game?! And still played? That’s terrible. Even worse. But, I guess if his teammates wanted him to play, there’s nothing the grown man could do to stop it. Thank for the perspective.
I imagine Dave Roberts wouldn’t like to be thought of as elderly at age 48. He isn’t that, but as a cancer survivor he is very protective of his health.
Anyway, that JT story is over. He confessed to a lack of judgment, a player outbreak was seemingly avoided (we were never really told either way), and everybody decided to move on with lessons learned. Time to let it go.
Give Turner 3 Years with a team option on a 4th for 60 million dollars!
What if the Jays give him 3 years and a box of masks?
Then the Jays are really running a risk with an aging yet very lethal hitting 3B and you need get over what Turner and the Dodgers did. Zerbs summed it up perfectly. Forgive and move on.
@WereAllGuests: I’m just busting chops. Started in jest but turned into the Astros 2017 defense of Turner. Don’t tell them though.
Even the jay isn’t that stupid
I’m guessing he wants like 4 years/$65M or so and they’d prefer 2 years/$25M? So split the difference: 3 years/$45M.
2 guaranteed years and a 3rd year vesting option is the best he can hope for out of LA. Friedman knows how to play hardball better than anyone. I’m willing to bet Toronto will offer 3 guaranteed years but I’m guessing Turner’s heart remains with LA. Will be interesting to see what he decides to do.
Rumors I’ve heard is he’s asking for 15M per for 4. So 4/60. I’d bet LA is at least at 2/30, and maybe even something like 2/35+ vesting option for AB or PA or something.
But I’d be shocked if anyone is willing to give him 4 at 15 per
He wont get 4/60
3/40 imo is almost the ceiling
Can prolly get a 2/32 but I dont see him betting on that 8 mill at 38-
I think he takes the greatest largest sum (which I think will be Tor) or he takes a discount on a 2+1 w LAD ~ Tor might be the only team willing to guarantee that 3rd year so they might be a good wildcard bet to land him-LAD still fav tho
JT is not asking for more than the contract that covered his last 4 prime years.
The Dodgers should give Turner 3 years. Even as his production goes down, his presence and leadership alone holds a lot of value for them. Plus, the Dodgers can afford it. It would not surprise me if Turner would accept that compromise to stay in L.A.
I’d bet on two years plus a healthy option, possibly performance based. If he was going to get four years from somebody straight-up or even three, he’d be signed by now. I don’t like the standoff but it feels like the player has an upper hand now, and the Dodgers have their feet to the fire a bit. It’s isn’t like they have a great Plan B if they don’t sign him.
Omar Minaya back with the Mets reminds me of George Steinbrenner and Billy Martin LOL
Except for the winning LOL
Zing!
I love Turner so underrated. Really stinks Baltimore didn’t k ow what they had in him as a player.
I would like him on the braves for 2 or 3
Me too but I don’t like the chances. He’s been very clear about wanting to remain in LA so if two years got it done for Turner, he would be a Dodger by now. Would three years be enough to pry him away from his highschool sweet heart? I guess nobody can be certain but if it did I think there would be competition for the Braves.
@salarycapmyth Who do you think the Braves will get or do you think their done for the year
Braves definitely signing an arm or two for the bullpen.
I could see the Braves waiting till the end to see who is left for the bullpen or with a bat and get whoever will take a short contract, but they have some arms but they really need a bat more I think
Unfortunately you’re probably right which is a shame. Atlanta’s window is open and they need to step on the gas. Only so many good seasons left for Freddie.
Justin Turner is the one the Mets let get away while Omar Minaya is the one they keep bri going back!
Had the Mets known Turner would “alter his swing”, I’m sure they would have kept him.
Mets FO had a rigid plate discipline approach all about taking walks and OBP which didn’t fit Turner.
2 / $30MM with 3rd year club option$12MM or $2MM buyout
Sounds about right.
The Angelos family have been poor owners of the Orioles, but the Orioles had every right to fight MLB and the Nationals because both agreed to the rights fee arrangement before MLB put the Expos franchise in DC. Selig and now Manfred have been punishing the Orioles at every chance they get – withholding the All-Star game, taking Toronto’s side in the tampering with Duquette – all to try to pressure the Orioles to rip up their original deal because it was so favorable to the Orioles.
MLB and the Nationals franchise knew what the terms were to relocate to DC. If they didn’t like it, they could have picked another city. Now MASN, which wasn’t making much in profits anyway, can’t afford to pay these increased rights fees that have been forced on them by MLB and the Nationals, so both teams will have to face the consequences. The Angelos family no longer has an interest in fighting, but the Nationals will reap what they sow for trying and succeeding to nullify the deal that brought them their in the first place.
I think the Orioles were in the right until 2011, and then they were supposed to evaluate the value of the Nationals, and since then it’s been back and forth on how much they divide the revenue/how much the Orioles owe the Nats
All of this was agreed upon by the MLB and the O’s, not the Lerners. The MLB didn’t really give a flying **** other than getting the team out of Canada. The deal is total b.s., and now, the Os are an abomination of an organization that controls the TV rights to a much more financially sound team. A) Peter Angelos is a demon. B) Angelos doesn’t give a **** about baseball. C) Angelos is about to die. His last dying wish is to continue to screw the Nats all the way to the grave. He’s a piece of garbage.
Veejh –
Could not agree more. 100% nailed it. Angelos and the Orioles organization are absolute garbage and I think it’s great karma that they’ve SUCKED so miserably for so long while the Nationals have had great success…despite every possible effort of the clowns from Baltimore
Actually the only recent run of success for the O’s coincided with the arrival of the Nats and Angelos being forced to field a more competitive team. O’s fans should grateful to the Nats for that.
Or by making solid trades (Jones, Davis, Hardy), not to mention a drafted core of markakis, Machado and wieters. Nats had nothing to do with the Os success
Turner to jays 2/36 with solid no trade protection and pit 10’of it in a signing bonus. 3rd year would be my walk away
Cant imagine he’s loved his name being rumoured for replacement on the dodgers formwhat feels like years
If he takes 2 years he’s coming back to LA. they’ll overpay the aav to keep it a short commitment
Turner looks like he smells like pork rinds.
If he smelled like pork rinds, he wouldn’t be married to his “Hot” wife.
I never had a beard like JT’s but I had enough of one to know you’re always going to smell a little like the last thing you ate.
Did you go on a strawberry diet to attract the ladies?
Ain’t no such thing as an ugly rich man. Probably not a smelly one, either.
Dan Kolko is the man. That’s a tough loss to the Nats crew. He was a fan favorite I thought
im so tired of this MASN thing
I think LAD max- 2/25 with 3rd yr 5 mill buyout- 30 guaranteed or 3/36 if yr 3 exercised
Tor- Should just offer the straight 3/36 or even a 3/38 and perhaps tack on a 2 mill buyout yr 4 to get it up to 40 and get the deal done – 4/50 for optics but 3/40 in reality w option
I think Braves might be willing to go 2/30 no options
Mets I can see trying a 2+1 like LAD with perhaps up to 40 guaranteed if yr 3 option picked up
In the end-
55%-LAD
25%- Tor
15%- NYM/ATL
5%-Mystery team
This MASN mess is embarrassing for the Nationals. I’m surprised the Nats haven’t opted for their own network like the Yankees,Cubs,Dodgers have.
If it were only that simple. This has been wrapped up in courts for years and years.
They are currently legally tied to MASN. Part of the settlement when they moved was that they would HAVE to share a network with the Os.
However, as I said above, the Orioles have several revenue sharing periodss they are contesting, While it would take another legal action to dissolve and reconstitute MASN in some new form., there is very little motivation for the Orioles to pony up what they owe. It is reasonable to assume their would be a dispute in every revenue period.
The long term solution is one of two choices:
Either it’s two networks or
MASN is equally owned by both clubs or neutral third party.
4 years for Turner. I don’t see that happening with no team.
Nice work Capt C
Stream the pregame online and watch a nice ratings fall for MASN. No commercials just live read sponsors. And a post game.
Blue Jays…you need pitching. The Springer signing only takes you so far. Offer Turner 2-yr/$38-mil plus team option. See how that goes over. Otherwise start chasing SP. You need it.
The time for compensation for the move into the DC area is officially over. The Orioles have not operated as good faith partners. MASN will belong to the Os and either a new network or NBCS Washington can carry the Nats games.
That will finally put an end date on the rolling dispute between the teams.
Jays are signing this old guy (i am 43) to a 2 year deal because you have Groshans and Martin coming. One of which will be traded at some point. Anything more than 2 years he gets in the way.and would be tough to trade,.unless he defies the odds. Sign Walker and Paxton over Bauer. Get er done!
If they sign anyone to a 2+ year deal to play 3rd, Groshans is likely traded for pitching. That they are interested in Turner and were interested in DJLM, suggests that’s the route they would like to take.
They would still have Miguel Hiraldo waiting in the wings to potentially play 3B by 2023 if they moved Groshans. Martin doesn’t appear to have the arm to play 3rd and will likely be groomed for CF to eventually bump Springer over to RF.
Possibly. Groshans might become the next 1B and that means bye bye Tellez. Groshans hasn’t lit the world on-fire defensively on the left side. Who knows.
Albeit unpopular I think Teoscar should be the guy dealt for a pitcher. Bad defender, great stick, in arbitration years.
That doesn’t seem very likely, I think they would trade Groshans before moving him over to 1B, if indeed they don’t trade him regardless.
It’s a small sample obviously, but Tellez really had a monster year in 2020 by all measures and dramatically cut his K rate. If he can produce anywhere close to what he did last year going forward, they need his left-handed power bat in the lineup long-term, even if that means being stuck with him and Vlad as the 1B/DH combo going forward and having little to no flexibility with the DH spot.
I could see them selling high on Teoscar and keeping Grichuk in RF and wouldn’t be completely against it for the right return.
Stormie, I’m good with Tellez. Why some Jays fans are down on Tellez baffles me except I believe the organization isn’t high on him either. Hence the Tellez idea. Rowdy has been overlooked.
Groshans will have another shot at the left side to pick up his game. He (hopefully) should be over his foot problems. If he can take a big step forward it erases my last comment.
John Angelos is the control person now. If you don’t like his moves—don’t put him in control. He is horrible person—He is just like his father. Has John Angelos commented on these moves yet? Is he hiding out in Nashville? Where is he?
If Turner walks, LA has the bats and versatility to replace him at 3rd and the plate.
But he’s probably worth 3 years as a player/swing coach.
If they resign Turner are they going to extend or trade Chris Taylor?
Price, Kershaw, Seager, Taylor, and Jansen all hit FA next year?
I think 2 of those can receive a QO, but only 1 seems probable.
Price still under contract next year-
The Blue Jays will hopefully sign him. His talent and playoff experience along Springer and hopefully Bauer might get us a wildcard spot today.
Go Jays Go!