Jan. 28: The Braves have also “discussed” Pederson, tweets David O’Brien of The Athletic. He’s clear to add that there’s no indication any talks between the two sides have gotten particularly far at this point.
Pederson would give the Braves a potential replacement for fellow free agent Marcell Ozuna, who is likely seeking a lengthier and more lucrative deal than Pederson after performing brilliantly in 2020 on a one-year, $18MM deal. There’s likely room in the payroll for either player — particularly if an Ozuna deal were to be backloaded a bit — but the current Braves regime has generally leaned toward shorter-term deals.
Pederson would likely require a platoon partner with the Braves (for reasons noted below). Speculatively speaking, Austin Riley could fill that role by moving to left field against southpaw starters, with Johan Camargo filling in at the hot corner on those days. The switch-hitting Camargo is a career .286/.337/.506 hitter when he bats from the right side of the plate.
Jan. 27: Former Dodgers outfielder and current free agent Joc Pederson’s time in the National League West might not be over yet, as Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Giants are “talking to” the 28-year-old. He joins the previously reported Jackie Bradley Jr. and Eddie Rosario as left-handed-hitting outfielders on the Giants’ wish list.
In signing with San Francisco, Pederson would reunite with president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi, who was the Dodgers’ general manager from Pederson’s major league debut in 2014 through 2018. Pederson was largely productive during that time and in the season after Zaidi’s departure, and though he struggled in the Dodgers’ World Series-winning campaign last year, there is no doubt he has been a solid offensive presence throughout his career. Across 2,517 plate appearances, Pederson has batted .230/.336/.470 (118 wRC+) with 130 home runs, including at least 25 in four seasons. Granted, Pederson has done the extreme majority of his damage versus right-handed pitchers, against whom he owns a 128 wRC+. For comparison, he has put up a paltry 59 wRC+ against southpaws.
San Francisco performed better than average off righties last year with the majors’ ninth-best wRC+ (107), and their outfield already has two lefty corner options in Mike Yastrzemski and Alex Dickerson – who each had huge seasons in 2020. On paper, there may not be a clean fit for Pederson unless he emerges as a regular in center, where he hasn’t played extensively since 2017, but that isn’t stopping the Giants from at least kicking the tires.
Kick the tires then I guess.
If the cards just signed Joc, yadi, and waino, they would look like clear front runners in a dismal division. It wouldn’t even come close to breaking the bank, and yet, here we are, weeks away from the start of spring training, and all we hear is crickets in stl (not to mention the entire NL Central). They say they’re preparing to host around 10,000 fans, but who wants to go pay inflated ticket prices to see a completely watered down product? Not me. I’m gearing up for a pretty boring season as a cards fan.
There’s a lot to still be had. I do think yadi and wainwright will be back. Joc does seem to be a fit for the cards. I don’t see this signing coming to fruition with the Giants personally.
It’s just not a fit unless the universal DH is in place which doesn’t look likely. Bradley would fill a need, Joc would just be part of an OF rotation and bench. Zaidi won’t do this just for the sake of a reunion
I’ve been thinking the same thing about the cards. Cards have done squat to a team that is in a position to dominate the central for years.
They cut ties with Wong to save salary. They have a glaring need for offense. Why do they refuse to spend some of the savings to improve the team??
Brewers fan here. Welcome to the club.
Cubs fan here. Welcome to the club. Bar opens at 5.
Wtf are the Braves doing?
I guess the same as the Cardinals, absolutely Nothing
Frustrating!!
Is Joc Pederson really worth it for the Cards? Low average and more strikeouts. At least Bader and O’Neill are better defensively. Cards will get through this year and then have tons of money roll off.
Right now they can compete in weak division and will have capability to add in July.
agreed, Pederson isn’t a good player IMO. he has a solid slash line against righties but he isn’t a good situational hitter, strikeouts a ton, and isn’t very good defensively.
He kills righties, which is most pitchers.
He’s 28 and will probably sign for peanuts.
Are there other prime age players, putting up 118 wrc+, available at his cost?
cryptonerd:
They already have Dickerson who has a career 120 wRC+, and who strikes out less than Pederson.
Yes, he is absolutely worth it for the Cardinals. He will need to be part of a platoon clearly, but he is well above average against righties. They don’t have any outfielders that can hit righties outside of probably Carlson, who is still an unknown at this point. They had one of the worst offensive outfields in the majors last year, they are desperate for a player like Joc.
Based on the unbalanced schedule Joc will face vast majority of pitchers. There’s almost no good leftys in the central. Hader will likely be traded. .
He will basically be a full time bat without lefties dragging his stats down.
The Cards are are a perfect fit. Mo has always held his cards close to the vest (no pun intended). Nobody hears anything before he makes a trade in most cases.
His OPS against righties was 0.893 and 0.920 in 2018 and 2019, the last two full seasons. He had an off year last year but was red hot in the postseason. Platoon him with a RH hitting left fielder and he’ll produce elite numbers in those 400-450 ABs. That is certainly worth a lot of $$$, and ultimately why the Dodgers will lose him. His defense is not great but he’s serviceable. You’re getting him for the power numbers he generates.
Wtf. Joc is one of the most clutch dodgers in recent memory, especially in the playoffs. You’re just making things up IA
Am I right that’s gained weight and slowed down in the field?
The Braves have done nothing? jeez.
It’s like some of you just have to see the team name do something each day.
they got Pablo back and smyly
and Morton.
their usual…pandering with their mythical ‘interest’ in free agents until January and February until Spring training rolls around and we finally accept they’re not adding anyone else. Then we have the same exact discussion around the trade deadline only to realize again nothing big is gonna happen. Good Times!
You’re acting like they haven’t done anything this off-season.
I am wondering the same thing. All I can think is they are waiting for Ozuna to take what’s on the table from them.
The Nats & The Mets have made major improvements and the Padres have as well all while AA sits on his hands
I mean come on Freddie isn’t even signed to an extension
Man I miss the days of Ted Turner
Most of the 70s and 80s under Turner were horrible. I don’t miss that for sure.
but the 90s and early 2000s were great…would gladly take that any day
You are talking bout where they finished in the standings
I am talking about $$$ not being the deciding factor in getting guys
It should be noted that Ted Turner was the last individual owner of the Braves and was one the responsible for selling to a corporate owner, when the deal between Time Warner & Turner was finalized in 1996. Notice they hadn’t won another championship since, and played for one only twice (’96, ’99) since the deal. For the all love Turner’s been given, the same ire should be also given to those that give any notion to the idea that the corporately-owned Braves have been a disappointment.
Still early, the Dodgers have only signed 3 Rps so far as well, 1 of which wont pitch in 2021 probably –
Theres going to be some really thrifty deals in about 10-14 days. Braves know how to shop, I think they come out smelling like roses by Valentines day.
I agree at the very least sign Freddie to an extension.
Shouldn’t Drew Waters be near ML ready?
@bob . I’m hearing another year on Waters. Not sure why though he did great in AA in 2019 and did decent In AAA in 26 games. I say roll the dice and bring him up. The contending window is wide open. Not to mention this could be the last year for Freddie with Atlanta….
There are two problems with rolling the dice on Waters now:
1. If he proves unready, you’ve started his service time clock. So you’ve lost some time with him and you’re still in the position of needing an OF.
2. It appears they could already be set to roll the dice on Riley at 3B. I’m not at all sold on Riley. If both struggle, the bottom half of the order is going to be a huge weak spot.
I’m really high on Waters, but I’d like to see him get a full year in AAA.
They signed Smyly and Morton. That’s a lot more than most teams.
They’ve lost more than they’ve gained. More than most teams as well Lol…at least the contending teams anyways
So has LAD so far and a lot of other teams- Pretty much every central team from both leagues
Hou A’s Tb from the Al playoff side last year as well
Lotta players still left, prices will get more team friendly here as well soon
I’m sure something else will happen hopefully. It has too right? Right?!? haha
Braves don’t need him. Hard pass. There’s other areas of need for Atlanta.
I want all of you to enjoy your cake, so… enjoy.
I would really like the see this for the Giants. Seems like he would play everyday in left for them. If this signing happens, I would really like to see them trade for Josh Hader. Putting a package around Bishop and Corry can probably get it done. And if can do this, they would have LaStella, Pederson, and Hader. I do think that these moves would make the Giants postseason contenders too.
You can’t be serious.
@Mick10 Postseason Contenders….BAHAHAHAAHHAAAAA
More crazy talk from delusional Giant fans. Lol
Z would platoon him – He wouldnt face LHP
Even so your getting a 120 ops+ bat on the strong side of the platoon- Slater prolly gets the lefty abs
If Hader is traded, it will be to a legit contender. Rebuilding teams don’t have a real need for a closer. If they have a good one, they generally trade them for more rebuild pieces.
The Giants have some pop, but they also have a few things going against them. Gave Kapler is no Bruce Bochy and Oracle Park is not very hitter friendly.
It’s a cool place to watch a game though. I love the female PA announcer there.
Oracle Park was hitter friendly in 2020, even for a platoon-filled team
SFGiantsFan09:
To call Oracle Park, “hitter-friendly” is a bit of an exaggeration. We have only one, very short, season to analyze the changes, so one really knows how it’s going to play, but in 2020, it played fairly neutral, only very slightly, in favor of the hitters,
Well in 2020 the Giants offense shot up, so that’s why I described it that way
2020 was a short 60 game season. It takes more data for park factors to be reliable. But, for last season, the park factor was 1.048. A factor of 1.000 is completely neutral. A minimal 0.048 shift towards being hitter-friendly, in a miniscule sample, needs to be taken with some modicum of skepticism. I’d wait a year or two before I’d declarer Oracle Park, hitter-friendly.
Caleb:
Dickerson’s a better hitter, strikes out less, and gets on base at a better rate, than Pederson. Dickerson struggles against LHPs too, but he’s not as bad as Pederson. Pederson is better with the glove, and is younger, but if Dickerson can stay healthy, I’d much prefer him.
I agree, but “if Dickerson can stay healthy” is a big IF, and it gets bigger with each year he lights a candle on the cake.
I wouldn’t give that much for hader lol
What on earth?
Dickerson is way better, so his spot is definitely not in jeopardy. I just don’t see Joc fitting.
Why give away 2 prospects for a reliever right now? Corry and Bishop are great prospects.
SFGIANTSFANO9 You sound like a Fool …….Dickerson is a career minor leaguer who can’t stay on the field because injuries.
Joc Pederson is a former All-Star w/ a grip of post season experience. He comes from a winning culture. He also has big time power. ( 2 time HR Derby participant)
TonyGwynnSD19
Is that why Dickerson is a more consistent hitter when he plays? The highest Joc has hit is .249 and the highest Dickerson has hit is .290, not including 2020. The lowest Joc has hit is .210 while Dickerson has hit a low of .250. So, when healthy, which both of them struggle to do, Dickerson is more consistent. And, while Joc has played in a HR Derby, he can’t hit consistently in the season. At this point, the Giants need someone who will get on base consistently which Pederson cannot
“When healthy , which both of them struggle to do”
Really not sure here what the heck you are referring to Joc doesn’t have a history of injury or multiple DL stints
What are you talking about ? I’ve watched Pederson play since his debut. He’s one of the healthiest positions players we’ve had over the last 4 years
To liken alex Dickersons history to Joc Pederson isn’t just ridiculous. It’s just untrue.
that is a terrible idea – why move the top pitching prospect and one of the top position players for an unnecessary closer when you have guys that can compete for a closer position already in camp – and you don’t expect to even need a closer as you are competing for a wildcard spot unless something unexpected happens
Giants seem like they are about two years away from really contending. I guess if they can get Pederson for cheap.
Hmm… I like Pederson and the Giants, but together they don’t seem to fit well. The Giants seem like a prime candidate for a Kiermaier trade, but Pederson seems destined to go to the Braves or Cards.
I realize Cleveland is pinching pennies, but their outfield is (again) weak and they have just three LH bats on the 40-man roster: Ramiez (switch), Gimenez, and Naylor. Signing Joc to play in the ballpark where he nearly won the HR Derby makes a world of sense.
Joc + Luplow is an All Star reserve platooned
That would work. With their starting pitching and defense, the Indians aren’t as bad as many people think. But man, their offense looks putrid.
Agreed. Joc would be a perfect fit there. Even when you sit him vs. a left starter there’s a good shot you can use him as a PH against a right handed reliever and with his positional versatility, that’s a great attribute.
I’d love Joc to Cleveland because that’s who I voted him to go to in the contest
If the Giants want a glove-first OF with little ability to hit the ball, they can just put Steven Duggar in CF each night. No need to use up payroll on Kiermaier at this point.
Pederson represents what Zaidi wants: power, gets on base, and it’s a guy he has previous history with.
To get to the next level, they need a real CF. And that’s not Keirmier, unless the Rays eat 75% of a 24M contract AND include some lower level prospect types.
All JBJ costs is money, and he fits, even if he bats LH.
Pederson? There’s only 2 corner OF spots, tho I agree the bat plays. But the glove doesn’t.
JohnJaso….:
Dickerson hits better, get on base better, and strikes out less than Pederson. Pederson is better with the glove. For me, the only question between the two is if Dickerson can stay healthy.
Pederson SHOULD be a Cardinal this week. However, John Mozeliak unfortunately won’t do it.
Being a Cards fan is agonizing right now.
psarg, What do you think is going on? We hardly ever get any Cardinals news here because there never seems to be any. The only FAs they seem linked to are their own.
Agreed. I like that Mo puts a winning team on the field every year, but since the NLCS run in 2019 and last year’s Wild Card loss, it just doesn’t seem like improving this offense is a focus. I’d rather have 2 years of Joc Pederson or Eddie Rosario (for a very affordable price, given DeWitt’s unwillingness to spend) than one more year of Waino and Yadi.
The Cardinals got arguably worse last offseason, and they have a window to take this division, but would rather sit and “wait out the market”. Maybe there’s a method that I’m missing, but it just hurts to see this team do absolutely nothing. No trades, no signings, or even waiver claims to the Major League roster. That, and declining Wong’s (very affordable) option? It’s just frustrating.
JOC
PRO
Palo Alto guy brings the local theme
Home run power
Cons
Low average still declining
OF Glove declining last few years
Swing and misses too much
PLATOON automatically when lefties pitch
Hope if they follow through its not a handcuff for too many years
I’ll miss his hot streaks, but those often ended abruptly due to his having to sit against a couple of lefties. And, yes, the glove, speed, and agility have been declining for years. It’s odd to think he’s just 28 considering those developments. It’s even odder to realize that a slow-footed guy still in his 20s was a 30/30 guy in the minors. Weird player. His main weakness has always been lefty pitching and he hasn’t improved even a little.
So he platoons with Austin Slater, who mashes lefties? Sounds like a good deal.
What I’m hearing is he has no positives, only negatives
well he hits for AVG better than Chris Davis and has similar power
Means nothing. When’s the last time you heard about Chris Davis? Exactly. He fell off the face of the earth. He’s also old so you would expect that to be the case. And, last time I checked, Joc is the one we’re talking about. He is inconsistent. The only thing he can do consistently is strike out. He makes contact on what feels like one out of every hundred pitches
Dickerson could use a platoon partner.
Dickerson platoons with Slater right now. Slater mashes lefties and Dickerson mashes righties
Not another lefty lol
I would love to see the Indians sign him and platoon with Luplow. They need another big bat in the middle of that lineup to be respectable.
Still think a Duval/Pederson platoon would have been a relatively cheap option that would have worked well in Atlanta. I get why they wanted to save money on Duval though.
Sometimes you just know
Yeah, me too. I hope the Braves sign Pederson and bring Duvall back. I don’t believe they’re going to re-sign Ozuna, so that tandem would at least add some punch to the middle of the order. Whichever one isn’t starting that day also gives them some power off the bench.
The Giants need a big bat…like Stanton from the Yankees.
The difference is, Stanton doesn’t swing and miss as much, and he also doesn’t suck
He also doesn’t stay on the field and has a horrendous contract that the Giants won’t touch.
Joc is going to get a horrendous countract too. He doesn’t deserve a mil
@jim-41- I wish but no way Giancarlo is waiving his no-trade clause to come to SF.
Especially when he already had the chance. That ship has sailed
that isn’t going to make a difference honestly, better to develop the guys in the system and build on the fringes for now – the giants were actually 5-6 in most offensive stats last year and that really isn’t a problem
after last summers home run Derby, I dreamed of him and Vladdy hitting one after the other.
Trade dodger blue for Jay Blue.
That’s funny, because even though there wasn’t a HR Derby last year I dreamt the exact same thing. Except in my dream the Blue now play in Portland OR & we’re called the lumberjacks.
I meant last year, cause I’m pretending 2020 didn’t happen.
I don’t know if I’d prefer Pederson, JBJ, or Rosario. Probably JBJ for the defense. I don’t see a spot for Ruf on this team if they sign one of those guys.
JBJ cannot hit for average or OBP. Last year, in a small sample, was an aberration. If defense is the only requirement Giants have Duggar, though I think his audition is over. Yax was fine in CF and so was Dubon. In a pinch Pederson could play there. I’d rather have the bat.
Ruf can be put into the same place he was last year: A spring training show-me invite.
My guess:
vRHP
C Posey
1B Belt
2B LaStella
3B Longoria/Solano
SS Crawford
LF Dickerson
CF Yastrzemski
RF Pederson
vLHP
C Casali
1B Posey/Belt
2B Solano/Flores
3B Longoria
SS Crawford
LF Slater
CF Dubon
RF Yastrzemski
vRHPwDH
C Posey
1B Belt
2B LaStella
3B Longoria/Solano
SS Crawford
LF Pederson
CF Dubon
RF Yastrzemski
DH Dickerson
vLHPwDh
vLHP
C Casali
1B Posey/Belt
2B Solano
3B Longoria
SS Crawford
LF Slater
CF Dubon
RF Yastrzemski
DH Flores
My biggest concern is the defense of this roster. Solano is a great bat but a bad glove, same with Wilmer and Dickerson, and LaStella isn’t much of an upgrade defensively either. Crawford is historically a good defensive shortstop but his range has been decreasing rapidly.
Almost. Against righties, LaStella plays third. Solano at second. Posey never plays first.
Please no. I don’t like Joc as a player or person
BINGO, I AGREE !!
Don’t like him as a player and he said he never liked the Giants and was a Dodger fan growing up.
Eh, relax. If Brian Wilson and Sergio Romo can join the Doyers, Pederson or Puig could join the Giants.
Well Puig and Pederson don’t have a chance to come to SF, I would say, even if the Giants have interest. That’s just Zaidi saying he is interested. The Giants made a run at Puig but look how that turned out.
the difference though is that puig kinda sucks nowadays pederson isn’t great but still has power
sfgiantsage09fan – Joc is over weight. We thought this kid was gonna be someone! 30/30 in triple A. Damn. He is a great dug out guy. Positive positive only. He has a plus glove. He has gotten pudgy though. Other wise he’d be a very good center fielder. Gotta platoon. And sf giant fan? Joc only has ever said nice things about you.
It’s not anything he’s said about us. I’m not so sure I could explain very well the reason I say I don’t like him, plus I would get lit up by other posters, so I will keep it to myself. I’ve never really seen or heard much good of him.
If there’s no universal DH, this doesn’t make sense in my opinion. Joc can’t play CF anymore.
But who would you rather have in LF Pederson or Ozuna?
That’s besides the point. The Giants are foolishly going after Joc who doesn’t fit in SF. His defense sucks and he doesn’t have a place in this lineup
Hey little kid let me clue you into something. The Giants suck and YOU are foolish for thinking anything they do matters this season.
Stop hating and start thinking objectively.
@walkertexasbuehler
And you are what 9? What every team does matters this season, because it could set up their future. Picking up Joc wastes money on an already overloaded payroll. Plus, Joc sucks and I don’t like the kind of person or player he is. Another reason, is we have 2 left handed corner outfielders. Why add another? We need a CF before a corner outfielder. Thank you, come again
sfgagefan09? You have got to be one of the smallest people commenting. “. . i don’t like the kind of person . . blah blah.”
Just little, bra. Joc likes you.
@cecildawg
smallest person commenting? I, unlike most, care about the kind of person that the players on my team are
If that’s the case, speak up about Pederson’s character.
You have no issue maligning his character, but refuse to defend your stance. My guess is that you have no evidence to suggest he’s a bad person and have no justifiable reason for disliking him beyond the jersey he used to wear.
If you do have a reason, you need to be a man and say it. Acting like you have your reasons then being too scared to share is what a child does.
Neither. When healthy, Alex Dickerson is an above average hitter who is spelled well vs. lefties by Austin Slater and Darin Ruf.
What’s more, if Dickerson stays healthy he’s marginally acceptable in LF.
The Giants should play Joc at 1st.
They aren’t paying belt to sit on the bench, and he was arguably their best bat last year and his stats ranked among the best 1B’s in the short season.
But in a full season, we just might see Belt regress to his former self. Not that I’m suggesting Joc take over first from Belt, unless Belt fails or is tradable mid-season.
Pete, ibleedblue31:
Belt regressing to his former self is not that bad. Despite a horrendous 2019, he still has a career OPS+ of 122, and a wRC+ of 123. That’s better than Pederson’s 116 OPS+, and 118 wRC+. Belt, whose SOs is probably his biggest flaw, doesn’t strike out as much as Pederson.
Why would you replace a better hitter, whose defense is exceptional, for someone that, so far, only does one thing better, which is hit HRs. But playing at Oracle, which I believe has constrained Belt’s HR production, I seriously doubt Pederson would even do that better than Belt.
Joc’s strength will always be relative to versus right hand pitching. Zaidi knows this. I don’t think they should put him at 1B but if you give him 400-450 ABs against righties he will put up big numbers like he did in 2018 and 2019. Belt is not as good against righties. If you have a right-handed bat that you can pair with Joc there is value..
mlbdodgerfan2015:
Belt has a career .833 OPS against RHPs. Pederson has an .849. That’s a difference of only .016 points of OPS. Plus Belt will give you 176 more point in OPS against LHPs.
There’s only so many ABs to go around, and for a lefty bat I’d prefer Dickerson who they already have. His split against RHPs is .863, 24 points better than Pederson, and his split against LHPs is .687, 111 points better than Pederson.
Now that’s a funny joke, Joc on first, who’s on second
bleeding blue? Never. Dodgers tried Joc at 1st for almost two weeks. It was like
he and 1st base are allergic to each other.
Seriously little09 you might wanna write Joc and apologize. You are one mean little
Schnauzer. Get some one to pet you.
Well aware of the Joc at 1st experiment. As a lifelong Dodger fan; I absolutely want Joc playing 1st for the Giants! Lol
Joc was a stud defender recently and being only 28 he could handle CF. Not using defensive metrics, but have seen him play several times. I would think the BoSox could use him, but they are probably too close to $210m now.
My guess is Yaz would play CF and Joc would play RF.
His “DEFENSE” has subsided rather quickly – the range is not there for a CF nor the arm for RF, He is the classic 1B playing LF
Joc has not been a CF for a while. I saw that clip of him running routes as a HS football player and he hasn’t been that skinny in a long time. He’s gained a lot of weight during Covid too. Watch Bellinger and Pederson if you want to compare CF range. That said, I love Joc’s bat in a platoon. Most likely he’s a goner but hoping the Dodgers somehow land him at a reasonable price.
Joc, at the right price, could be a Schwarber replacement on the Cubs. Just sayin’ Jed.
Zaidi got some Dodger Wood, now he wants some Dodger Joc.
Zaidi’s targeted a lot of guys from his past administrations, going all the way back to his days as Beane’s understudy on the A’s.
At times, I think Zaidi’s more loyal to guys he knew than even Bobby Evans ever was. But on the other hand, he’s operating off of talent he evaluated first-hand, and he’s thinking about analytics and how these guys fit with his current roster. He knows Pederson pretty well and Pederson is far from tapped out at age 28. Much like looking at Puig last year, I understand the fit even if it’s unlikely to happen.
Whoosh
Joc Peterson would be the perfect signing for the Yankees. 2 years, $16 million it would make to much sense. So it won’t likely happen. Time for Brett Gardner to retire.
Yank4Life:
They can’t afford him, if what they say is true, that they want to duck below the CBT threshold. IIRC they had only a few million to play with to stay under. I think $8M puts them over.
That short porch in RF would be very enticing for YoungJoc.
Every fence is enticing to Joc. That’s all he swings for.
If there is a DH in National League, this makes sense. Otherwise, not too much.
That’s 40 bombs a year and a ton of splash hits if he gets to play every day
Zaidi knows Joc from his days with LA. Joc also lives in SoCal so a move to the bay wouldn’t be far from his family down south. Also, given everyday at bats, Joc would be the Giants HR leader for however long he plays with them. He’ll probably land a 1 year deal with them in the coming week.
Wow, MLB has sure come a long way when a .230 career batting avg is considered a solid offensive presence! And before you all tell me batting avg doesn’t matter anymore, notice the Dodgers didn’t resign him, and notice what a high batting did for LeMaheu (sp).
Ahhhh yes the year is 1950 where batting average used to matter.
Batting average doesn’t matter. Have a beef with that? Go talk to Andrew Friedman. Max Muncy is a career 0.236 hitter and is considered one of the better first basemen in MLB. Why? He has a career 0.888 OPS as a Dodger, that’s why. Joc Pederson has a higher career OPS compared to DJ LeMahieu, and DJ played home games in Coors and Yankee Stadium for virtually his entire career. 0.806 to 0.787 DJ obviously has more value because he plays a position with lower offensive output and he has a better glove. But don’t short change Joc, especially if you can keep him against righties only. DJ got a 6 year, $90 mm contract how is that comparable to Joc’s situation? C’mon you’re making us Dodger fans look bad.
Pederson is gonna have a monster season at some point, I been saying it since he broke in the league……and i’m still waiting. Maybe a fresh start in a new city will be good for him.
Did you miss 2018 and 2019? OPS of 0.893 and 0.920 against righties are both very good. He rarely plays against lefties. With the right platoon you can create an elite OF with Pederson. He’s going to strike out a lot and hit for a low average but he’ll take his share of walks and hit home runs. That’s how you create value. His defense is average to mediocre.
C’mon, Royals…sneak in on this one.
Bradley. Shores up defense. Not as much power as Pederson but they need a strong defensive centerfielder. Dubon was solid but he’s better suited to be super utility guy. Bradley. Hamilton wasn’t the solution. Not Maybin. And Duggar won’t be on the varsity. Bradley hits lefty and an otfiel of Dickerson Bradley and Yaz (all lefties) would be very solid. With Lastella, Crawford Solano Belt across infield could be potent. Bench would be Flores, Longoria Ruf Slater
I’m open to JBJ. Just imagine an outfield of Pache, Bradly, Acuna. If the ball doesn’t make it over the wall, it’s going to get caught. I also wouldn’t mind seeing Waters gets mixed in there too.
The Braves pitchers would sure like that OF!
Defensively, yes, it’s superb. The problem is 2/3rds of it may hurt them at the plate. If Riley could hit, not a big deal. He can’t though, creating 4 really easy outs in the line-up.
Wish the Yankees would sign home instead of bringing Gardner back.
Major hole in the lineup and holes in the bullpen (bringing Luke Jackson back doesn’t count). Yes, the narrative is looking eerily similar and I feel once again the lack of committing to a free agent that can be a difference maker is going to result in only a division title once again (maybe).
Teams are getting the itch to sign Joc.
Joc/Reilly platoon in LF with Camargo/Sandoval/Adrianza at 3B or try to add another 3B option (Turner?, Franco?)
How about a platoon of Joc/Riley or Waters in LF and a Camargo/Sandoval @ 3rd
Platoons suck no matter who you mix and match…Platoons are an obvious weak spot on the team that didn’t get addressed correctly IMO.
What is your solution?
I haven’t thought that far ahead…just wanted to complain hahaha! It’s a necessary evil in a situation that the Braves have put themselves so I get….Sign Rosario or Ozuna to play LF, Riley everyday 3B. Or sign Justin Turner and move Riley to LF are my solutions. Springer would’ve been my pick but obviously thats out the window
Joc behind Freeman would not help Freddie, he would see more lefty’s in keep situations. With Ozuna behind Freeman having Ozuna see a lefty wasn’t a great move.
What this article fails to mention is that Joc was a Giants fan that grew up in the Bay Area. This tidbit might shed a little light on how Joc Peterson might make a decision, should he have a choice, on where he’d like to play.
His family is from the Bay Area. So he might stay there.
I absolutely 100% do not want Joc. He’s terrible. Look, I’ll take 40 bombs batting .250 any day. But this dude is a dud. 2 solid years but he’s has some absolutely brutal years also. 2020 in particular was freaking brutal. Braves get him at league min to $3 mil, then fine… I’ll take him. Otherwise I don’t want him at alllllllll
I could be happy with Peterson. He’s only had two bad season’s; the first in 2017 and it really wasn’t that bad and 2020 which I struggle to give that shortened season much weight, especially when his 2019, and 2018 were very good.
My biggest concern is he has to be platooned with someone who is good against left handed pitchers. If this is the case, Duvall would be a good addition but will the Braves do that in an offseason like this?
Not sure that I understand.
Not that I think you hate Duvall but what is with everyone else who does ? I don’t get it. He hit 42 homeruns between AAA and Atlanta in 2019 and was on a 45 homerun pace in 2020. And it’s not like he has anything to prove since he has played in the majors since 2015 with only one bizarre fluke season in 2018 when he couldn’t hit anything. Clearly he is back.
What would be the point of bringing in Joc Peterson when you have a guy who hits righties and lefties equally well and actually plays a great left field ??? So he is basically the same guy but more versatile – if that makes any sense.
Why not just bring Duvall back ?
Certainly Duvall isn’t a great solution either to batting behind Freddie. I’m only making the comparison between Peterson and Duvall. Frankly I’d like to see the Braves bring Ozuna and Duvall back. As I said Duvall is a great fielder.
Duvall doesn’t hit righties and lefties equally well. If you had looked at his splits you wouldn’t have posted that statement.
baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=duval…
Look at his splits.
Don’t know why I said equally well. I meant reasonably well — as in for a player of his type. He can at least hang in there and did a decent job in 2020. Joc Peterson cannot hit lefties at all. Period.
Well whatever Duvall isn’t a replacement for Ozuna anyway so there’s no argument there. I just don’t see the point in bringing in Peterson. I would only bring in Duvall if the Braves have already solved their clean up hitter situation (or whatever you want to call it 3rd hitter, 4th hitter)
If they had to run a platoon in LF, I suppose the Braves could do worse than Joc Pederson and Adam Duvall.
I still think they are waiting on Ozuna.
Why…..strike out marvel