Some buzz from the free agent market…
- The Blue Jays continue to be interested in Brad Hand and Jake Odorizzi, according to Sportsnet.ca’s Ben Nicholson-Smith in an update on Toronto’s offseason endeavors. In the latest name to appear on the Jays’ wide-ranging radar, Joakim Soria has also drawn attention, though “talks haven’t been serious on that front.”
- Speaking of Odorizzi, he is still among the “many” pitchers the Twins are still considering, SKOR North’s Darren Wolfson (Twitter links). Back in December, Wolfson reported that other teams were more fervently pursuing Odorizzi than Minnesota, though with Odorizzi still unsigned, it seems like the Twins still have some kind of a shot at a reunion. Beyond the Twins and Blue Jays, the Red Sox and Giants have also been linked to Odorizzi’s market, though the free agent righty lost a notable suitor in the Mets after New York instead opted to acquire Carlos Carrasco. Minnesota was also known to be interested in Corey Kluber, and Wolfson reports that the Twins indeed made Kluber an offer before he ended up signing with the Yankees.
- The Padres are still talking with Trevor Rosenthal’s camp, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports (Twitter link), but the team might stand pat with its current relief corps. Since the Padres’ bid for Kirby Yates appears to have fallen short, Acee doesn’t think the Friars will meet Rosenthal’s price. Rosenthal enjoyed a nice bounce-back season in 2020, posting a 1.90 ERA and 41.8 K% over 23 2/3 innings with the Royals and Padres. After being acquired by San Diego at the deadline, Rosenthal didn’t allow a single unearned run over 10 regular-season innings for the Padres, though he struggled considerably in the playoffs.
Soria brings the total up to… 48?
Ha, that is almost two MLB rosters full of intrest.
In all seriousness, if the Jay’s landed Odorizzi, Hand, & Soria that would be an impressive haul.
& if they then signed one of the elite guys (Bauer, Springer, JTR) they’d be a team to reckon with. That doesn’t actually seem all that far fetched either.
There’s just way too much smoke around them. I can’t imagine that they won’t sign a few free agents.
Ducky, I agree, but I don’t foresee them going all in. They’ve been too reticent and deliberate so far without coming close. I also wonder which of the free-agent-BP arms the Yankees are looking at if not Hand, who seems to be a good fit. Anywho, just my half-cent.
Hey, @Clip (Happy New year)
Fun day yesterday, uh?
Man, I dunno. They’ve really light payroll commitments & are connected to 48 of the top 50 free agents, or whatever.
Blue Jay’s’ll make some noise. I’d bet on it.
As far as bullpen goes I’m looking volume. A couple arms from the: Petit, Melancon, Green, Watson, McGee, Soria, O’Day, et al bucket. Perfect market for improving usable relief depth.
Add a starter & a couple relievers & it’ll have been a decent off-season for us.
How I see it anyway.
Ill be on peace if Jays signs Bartolo … I’ll be ok
If the jays can avoid Realmuto, Bauer and Springer they’ll be good for years to come. Just gotta avoid those 3 huge landmines. Secret to winning in mlb is doing the opposite of what the fans want. They think signing free agents is how you win when it’s quite clear that avoiding free agents like the plague is a better long term strategy
The Blue Jays don’t have enough talent on their team to be a contender. Signing someone like Bauer would instantly make them a lot better. Yes, it might hurt them long term, but you need to take risks if you want to compete in MLB.
No, @dan55 they don’t right now.
They’ve a nice group of players to build around. They handled their rebuild very well.
The timing looks good, too. The Ray’s probably won’t be as good (of course they’ll win 90 games with all these dudes no one has ever heard of) the Yanks as of right now aren’t as strong as they were (lotta time left yet), & the sox are giving up already.
They can definitely spend their way into contention. They’re being really diligent & patient. Should be an interesting final product.
I agree. The Jay’s have a very talented young base to build off of right now. Now is the most dangerous part of their rebuild. They need to add good, experienced players to put their team into the top rung. I don’t think that the free agents who are available this year are right for them at their current prices.
Dan55 just nailed it on the money. The Blue Jays do not have enough talent as of today to contend. They have enough OF to play passable D, they have a young catcher and depth at the position. They need a top of the rotation starter. They need Trevor Bauer.
Some people say to “stand pat”. Sure, waste another year. A year from now the team will need….PITCHING! This will be a need next year too. Address it now. Sign Bauer.
@iver: ask the Dodgers if they agree with that statement? I realize they traded for Mookie and then extended him, but in essence, it was like a FA signing. They got Mookie and it finally got them over the top. I agree you can’t buy a team of top FAs and expect it to work out……there are too many variables. But with a solid core, as it seems the Jays have, the right big FA, or two, can make all the difference
The Blue Jays could wait to sign a big free agent. If they do, then they can avoid potentially signing a big contract that will hurt them later on. However, if they go this route, they will just end up punting on 2021, as their current roster is built to miss the playoffs/exit in the wild card round. Adding a top-level starter like Bauer would be enough to vault them into serious contention. Bauer, Ryu, and Pearson would be dangerous at the top of their rotation.
Yes, Jays have the great opportunity with AL East being down. Yanks window after ’17 surprise run has pretty much closed with exit of Tanaka. Rays, of course, won’t spend. Jays get 1 SP and 1 impact bat and they’re just about there.
Where is the Angels interest. Not my favorite team but an AL team I like to follow. If they don’t seriously address pitching they are doomed again. Dont care whos coming off the books in a year or two it might take a year or two to rebuild this pitching staff start now
Sucks about Kluber and the Twins. Oh well…with his wife making all the decisions (hence living in BOSTON of all places), there’s no way they would choose to live in Minnesota.
Maybe Kluber will be another double agent for the Yankees like Ellsbury was (Kluber wife living in Boston, Jacoby played for Boston). Hmmm….
Nothing to say about your post but Crime dog was my favorite player of that era and I always cringe when I see that HR total and back then 400 was like the “guaranteed ticket”. I’d vote him in all day long.
And he was competing with guys putting up the same numbers that were using when he wasn’t (or was never reported to have been). He was awesome and I think McGriff will be there one day.
They live near her family so she has support raising their kids while he’s bouncing all over the country and made that decision together. Take your old man views and shove off
God forbid he cares about his wife’s imput on uprooting the family to another part of the country.
Yeah, who would want to live in a world class city with a great standard of living? What a maroon Kluber is.
ive heard fans from all 30 cities say that about their city at this point.
Then those Tigers and Indians fans were already drunk.
I hear Camden is the truest gem.
Lol yes, he is a “maroon”. I always dig when people call others stupid, then betray their own intelligence by incorrectly using words.
Sideline.. Bugs Bunny used the word maroon instead of moron. Just sayin…
Agreed. It may be a generational thing but when being sarcastic maroon is definitely a substitute for moron especially when trying to mock the OP. I get that younger people might not catch the reference.
Maroon is my go to insult! What’s up, Doc?
Never mind the hit sheds. You insult people however you most enjoy.
List of qualities Superstar Car Wash needs in a woman:
*Able to cook
*Illiterate
*Must be docile and submissive
*Willing to be bare foot and naked while making sandwiches and retrieving beers from the kitchen.
*Must be willing to wear a collar
Did I miss anything?
6 toes per foot. That’s pretty important, too.
But, yeah, that should do it.
That made me laugh out loud – 6 toes!
@Ducky. WTF!?!? ROFL!
Shhhhh…be vewy vewy quiet. I’m hunting wabbits.
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“Talks haven’t been serisous on that front [with Soria]”
Have they been serisous with any of the free agents they’re interested in?
Hah that was my instinct when I read that too.
That Lemahieu offer was pretty serious. But they’re still kinda kidding, they gotta go full serious!
I’m starting to see it that way too. There’s obviously still plenty out talent left at the top but they’re “interest” in all these players is starting to look like speed dating.
Talk is cheap. Every team can talk to every free agent but it’s still perplexing how a whisper of interest is all it takes to start a report. Any team who wants to get their name out there, toss out mentions all offseason about how you like every free agent. Get lots of press, maybe reel in a free agent just from curiosity how high a roller your team must be to have so many lines in the water. Also Scott Boras in particular will love you for applying pressure to the market, however false it may be.
Poor rumor writers may be demoralized how devalued rumors become when many teams are just churning out senselessly more and more and more hints about the 100 or so players they want to target.
Blue Jays talk like they will be big players in FA, but reality is they will be battling the A’s for the March/April straggler-signings.
Wouldn’t be the end of the world.
Some solid fits still out there!
It’s the scooping up the scraps after the A’s/Rays are done mining for gems is the real fear.
If the Jays strike out on free agents, they’ll turn to the trade market and take on some salary there. Most of their franchise-altering players have come in trades anyway. Donaldson, Bautista, Encarnacion, Buehrle, Dickey, Tulo, Price, etc.
About the Padres bullpen – don’t be surprised if Dinelson Lamet becomes their closer next year. There have already been talks in the past about him moving to a relief role, and because of his injury history, I think that the Padres are worried about whether or not he can stay healthy enough to be a starter. That would explain why they have been aggressive in targeting starting pitchers but haven’t been able to sign a reliever.
Rotation doesn’t look as deep as it once did. I’m still under the impression lamet willneed tj again at some point and that’s why padres are trying desperately to acquire arms
In all fairness if Lamet needing TJ is worst case scenario, a rotation headined by Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Chris Paddack and Adrian Morejon, Ryan Weathers or Mackenzie Gore rounding out the last 2 spots is still pretty good.
It’s pretty good for a team looking to get 3rd place not a team trying to beat the Dodgers and 2 wildcard squads. Have you seen Paddack’s 2020 numbers? Do you trust Darvish and Snell to be 100% healthy the whole year? what happens when one of them gets hurt over a 162 game season? Padres are literally soo overhyped that people don’t realize they have a few holes and question marks that could easily become detrimental to their success.
Paddack didn’t have a very good 2020, but I’m more focused on his 2019. Not ignoring it, but weighing his 2019 more. He might not be an ace, but I’ll take him as a #3 starter. Darvish has been really for half of 2019 and all of a shortened season. Snell is the only one I’d be a bit worried about, but if he pitches anything like he did last year, I’ll take it. Overall, they do have a decent amount of pitching depth, even after trading players like Cal Quantrill, Luis Patino and Zach Davies.
I have seen some bad takes from some real idiots on here, but I think this may be the worst, most idiotic take I’ve ever had the misfortune to read. All the experts think the Padres have one of the best, if not the best rotations in baseball, and one of the best infields too, and yet you think they’re a 3rd place team? Behind who? The Dodgers and? You’re a salty idiot who clearly knows nothing about the game, that’s all there is to it.
And you’re argument that if they get injuries they’ll struggle is also ridiculously stupid. That applies to literally every team in baseball. SMH
*your
@LaFlamaBlanca
Do you trust ANY pitcher to be 100% healthy all year? A quick search says you shouldn’t be so sure about former TJ and current blister Buehler, bad back Kershaw, cyst, carpal tunnel, circulatory issues in left wrist and haven’t pitched since 2019 and then only half a season Price or shoulder capsule Urias.
@Hudson, Triggered much?
Comparing injuries from draft day to injuries that are effecting performance in 2021
Comparing blisters to TJS
Wow
“ In all fairness if Lamet needing TJ is worst case scenario, a rotation headined by Yu Darvish, Blake Snell, Chris Paddack and Adrian Morejon, Ryan Weathers or Mackenzie Gore rounding out the last 2 spots is still pretty good.”
Or it’s a disaster seen coming from a mile away
Why do fans assume prospects will be stars immediately? You think the league forgot how to hit Paddack? Is he magically mastering 2 more pitches this offseason? He shouldn’t be a number 3 for any competing team. He’s a reliever on a deep team
Or worse, you’re satisfied giving 3 spots to 3 unproven guys+a train wreck with only a fastball, then you want to take on the Dodgers?!
And your 2 “locked down” spots consist of one guy who can’t go 3x thru the lineup, and a 34 year old who had his best year in his career at 34. And you’re 100% confident those 2 guys will be their best self in 2021?
Are you triggered much LOLPadresFans? You are obviously a Dodger fan and you make your name LOLPadresFans? Wow.
I am talking about ALL pitchers, especially starters. I directed my comments against the Dodgers because that seems to be who was doing the attacking. ALL pitchers are a huge injury risk nowadays. Yet you act like your pitcher’s are good and the Padres are all frail. That is just not true.
You just hope that your pitcher get through the year healthy and that your best are available for the playoffs. Obviously that did not happen for the Padres last year. Too bad for them. But in fact, before the playoffs last year the Padres didn’t have any injuries to their starters did they? The Dodgers did, didn’t they? Yet you are going to completely ignore this?
I really don’t care. I just dislike watching people attack another team mercilessly while ignoring their own faults. The Padres are trying to improve their rotation. They have added 2-ACE level arms. If they go down the Padres are screwed. If Buehler and Price go down you are screwed. That is baseball. The Padres have added depth to deal with such injuries. The Dodgers, to this point, have not. That narrows the gap.
I do not care about your Padres/Dodgers rivalry. I am here to talk baseball. It seems that a large majority of the people in these comment sections are very impressed with the moves the Padres have made with their rotation. It also seems that a large majority of the people who DON’T like their moves seem to be Dodger fans. That tells me something. It tells me that your views are less about the truth than it is about your rivalry. The rest of us can look at these moves with clear eyes and most of us think the Padres have done a very good job.
Price didn’t pitch last year and Buehler battled blisters and they won the WS. So they wouldn’t be screwed.
I meant Buehler and Kershaw. Both were healthy for the playoffs. Price is obviously not an ACE anymore.
I’m still wondering, behind the Dodgers and?
Do you mean like 3rd place in all of MLB, Dodgers and White Sox maybe?
Can’t say I see any team among the rest of the NL West with a team that looks as promising as the Padres.
@UKpadre Did you even bother reading the post or are you actually that stupid and just felt like giving a moronic response. I said that removing Dinelson Lamet from the rotation and into the closer’s role would only be adequate if the Padres were contending for 3rd not 1st. Where in the post did I say that I think the Padres are a 3rd place team? Can you not actually read?? and as far as the injuries go yes the Padres don’t have any depth, people wanna name Morejon and Gore but those are rookies there’s absolutely no guarantee they actually have good results as rookies who didn’t have a full minors season in 2020. And it’s actually pretty funny that the other guy @Hudson was clamoring about the Dodgers, lol I don’t even like the dodgers I was rooting for the Rays to win it all but okkk lol, just because people disagree with all the bandwagoners and hype beasts they are automatically dodger fans that’s funny. How about you guys come back with actual stats and numbers to backup your claims lol, probably because you can’t and don’t know actual baseball.
Okay, I take it back. This is the worst take I’ve ever seen. This may be the most salty, MAGA person I’ve ever come across in what is already a cesspit of a message board. Maybe in future ask your cousins not to breed because it isn’t working out well for your family…
Good point about Padre depth they have none. I like idea of Lamet as closer
Nothing is ever as good as it once was but I dare say their rotation at least “looks” pretty good when you start with Snell and Darvish. Then – until he isn’t there anyway – Lamet as the 3! Paddack still has a great shot to be at least a solid 4 with upside. Now, with Gore up at some point – as the 5!! There are about 5 guys in a pool that really, only need 1 of them to be a mid-rotation guy? Then Clev back in 22. I would call that a rotation that a lot of teams would like to have – at least on paper until the games start and injuries, etc.
Paddack stunk last year has great shot myopic Padre at its finest
Riiiight because the Padres are going to convert one of their most valuable assets (when healthy) into a 1 inning reliever. Do you realize how much value that subtracts, not to mention it is probably a sure fire way to get Dinelson to underperform and potentially lose all value. And no teams aren’t signing free agents because they are being cheap and offering cheap contracts which players do not want to accept.
Lamet is going to be 29 has career record of 13-14 and never has pitched full season let’s not pretend he’s accomplished anything as starter
Come on Jays. Just offer Ben Cherington a package headlined by SWR for Joe Musgrove. Musgrove will pitch better than Odorizzi and will be cheaper in terms of salary.
There’s no way you get that good of a piece for a solid number 4 in musgrove.
Musgrove is way better than a solid #4. He’s a high-end #3 who could be a low-end 2. He doesn’t have the prettiest ERA, but he’s also been on one of the worst teams defensively in the last 3 seasons. He’s well regarded, more than you think, by people in the industry. Just look at his Baseball Savant page. Musgrove was in the 80th+ percentile in xBA, xSLG, xwOBA, exit velo, whiff rate and xERA. He uses six pitches, has averaged 3 fWAR/150 innings since arriving in Pittsburgh, had had a sub-4 FIP and DRA in three straight seasons and made huge improvements to his game last year. If you can get a pitcher who can give you about 3 fWAR in 150 innings for less than $5 million with a second year of control, then he’s gonna be worth a pretty penny. Plus if Lance Lynn, a pitcher who is much older than Musgrove, has just one year of control left and pitched worse than him in 2020 can bring back a former top 60 prospect, then Musgrove can bring back SWR.
A pretty penny for sure. Solid value.
A top 100 MLB prospect? Could be possible if better arms weren’t also on the market?
Might fetch a bit more than Lynn.
A former top 100 MLB prospect plus 2 higher end younger prospects, Reid-Foley + Moreno/Van Eyk… Jays 6th and 11th at MLB.com plus a former prospect that needs a change (bucket of balls basically).
Kay + Manoah/Adams maybe?
Giving up the 4th ranked guy that’s in the top 100 overall seems tough. SWR seemed/seems like the real haul for Stroman.
I know SWR sounds like a big ask, but the Pirates need to get back a prospect who’s generally considered a top 100 prospect. Manoah would also be fine, but would probably cost another notable piece like Gabriel Monero.
That’s funny, I put Adams instead of Moreno with Manoah, which is the C right behind on the rankings. And ‘upgraded’ Reid-Foley to Kay in that case.
Didn’t put Moreno/Manoah together, even with Reid-Foley as that felt a bit high still.
Definitely seems like there’d be a combo that would allow the Jays to keep that coveted ‘top 100’ rated guy.
Too bad it’s such a good thing the Jays don’t hire me, my 2 cents just get rounded down anyway.
Lmaooo I would love for you to be an opposing GM I’d flip you Musgrove for SWR all-day everyday! Love how you used “has averaged 3fwar/150innings” and “if you can get a pitcher who can give you about 3fwar in 150 innings” Musgrove has pitched over 115 innings only once which was 2019, what you did was average things out by adding the small # of innings he’s pitched which were due to injuries. You also did the same for the 3fwar, he had a 3.3 fwar once in 2019, his previous high was 2.2. That’s not a 3fwar pitcher if he has only done it once. You also failed to mention any of his bWar which aren’t as pretty with his 1.8 War being the highest from his 2019. Joe Musgrove is at best a solid #3 on a good contender. Is he a solid pitcher yes he is, is he worth one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball, hell no!
I personally think fWAR is more accurate in every scenario. What made me change to fWAR over bWAR is that in 2018 Jose Bautista and Bryce Harper had almost identical bWAR marks. Meanwhile fWAR had Harper at a 3.4 mark and Bautista at a 1.0 mark which is way more reasonable.
SWR is far from one of the best pitching prospects in all of baseball. He’s a young top 100 prospect right now, ranking as low as 93 on Pipeline and as high as 68 on FanGraphs. Musgrove would have tossed 150 innings this season had it not been for the shortened season.
SWR 34th pitcher on MLB’s list.
About 10 ahead of him primed to graduate from prospect status early in 2021.
If top 10 is considered the best in all of baseball, on the verge of top 25 is really not that far off.
Did Bryce Harper play a stretch of games in 2018 with no glove? I don’t follow him closely enough, but his defensive stats for 2018 seem to be horrific no matter what way you slice it.
Looking at the bwar leaderboard from 2018 suggests they value defense a lot more than fangraphs. Lorenzo Cain, Nick Ahmed, Ender Inciarte among the leaders. Watching all the fielding and baserunning errors that the Blue Jays committed throughout 2020 has me feeling like bwar may be worth a listen. But considering a good glove can be had for cheaper than a good bat, I’d be leaning to fwar for contract comparisons. Check both and dive deeper on the anomalies, even better?
I hope this is a sarcastic comment. That would be a terrible trade. The Jays have had interest in almost every FA and have made (according to reports) legit offers to multiple of them. I feel they will have to overpay greatly to get a top FA but I think there are very good trades out there that wouldn’t cost them their top 5 prospects. Musgrove falls into that category for me. Cherington may feel differently in which case the Jays won’t get Musgrove. I’d like to see them go after Paxton and Archer then move to JBJ, Simmons, Semien, Didi. That’s the market they can shop in without blowing too much on a FA and then use the extra pieces on the roster to form a trade. I know I’m probably in the minority but that’s the way I’d go unless I could get one of the top FA for a good deal
Why would it be a sarcastic comment? Musgrove is honestly worth a very good prospect. Name another pitcher who gives you averages 3 fWAR/150 innings and gets paid less than $5 million who has more than just one year of control left. He’s absolutley worth at least one top 100 prospect once you look past the ERA.
Musgrove is arguably the best pitcher on the trade market once you factor in avaiability and contract. If Lance Lynn, who was a few years older, had just one year of control left and started to trend downward in 2020, can get back a pitcher who was once consiered a top 80 prospect, then Musgrove can easily match that.
As an answer, here’s a value pitcher with multiple years of control and possibly available (packaged with a salary-dump player): Luis Castillo. Quite a bit better than Musgrove. I also think maybe one of the young pitching studs could be pried from Miami or even Detroit, if the offer matched the needs and value. They’re out there. Gotta work hard for them. Musgrove is nice. Battle tested. Might not fetch a top 100 though.
I just did the calculation on Musgrove, and his fWAR is 2.48/150.
As a RS fan, he is certainly worth a listen, but there are some negatives out there.
1-5.5 IPs/GS is a little light.
2-Some injuries
3-His ERA always trails his FIP, which I generally find troublesome. It’s okay to vary, as it is supposed to vary. But to always trail it suggests he doesn’t pitch well with men on base. This becomes important because, part of the reason you want to trade for someone like Musgrove, is an impressive K/W.
But the biggest issue I have is that his 2020 season is way overrated, imo. His opponents RPG rank #14, #13, #12, and #10, in a league with only 14 other teams. That’s as weak as possible.
His 116 ERA+ might look more like 108 or less if extrapolated his games against a league-average schedule.
Since 2018, Musgrove has accumulated 6.6 fWAR in 325.1 innings of work. That’s 3.04.
If Musgrove is so good and getting better why not allow him to dominate for 3 months in Pittsburgh and trade him at the deadline? If he pitches close to a #1, and from your opinion he very well could be, his price rises.
On the other hand, why would Pittsburgh want SWR if he’s not a highly ranked prospect? Wouldn’t that mean the Pirates are settling for very little.
SWR in my opinion would be ranked higher if the 2020 season happened. Guy just turned 20 and would have finished in AA last year. Another strong season has him in AAA and could be in the majors by 21. Are you sure you want to downplay him?
The ingredients are out there!
They’ve been added to the cart. Just can’t seem to complete the purchase.
Blame the bots?
Thought Atkins was a bot for sure though…
Wong would be a sweet add. Top 2B/3B option left for me.
Springer would really create some short term trade options or provide that great insurance against injury and allow some pretty ultra flexibility.
JBJ to a similar but less extent.
Then 1-2 back end relief arms, and 1-2 starters with that high upside.
It’s starting to get tricky to think the Jays will pay up for Arenado/Bryant/Suarez or other 3B targets that have been rumoured so far.
Turner would be a really sweet add too. Dodgers likely get him for cheaper.
Try Vlad for a few months while you wait for the Giants to fall out of it and get Longoria for next to nothing is my realistic prediction. Finding a fit on Arenado/Bryant/Suarez is my hopeful prediction.
Pretty strong list you’d be targeting. Good stuff. Go Jays!
SWR might be pitching for the Jays in 6 months. Hard pass. Jays shouldn’t give up that much for Musgrove. On a side note the Jays shouldn’t consider Odorizzi.
Of this year’s free agent class, I think Rosenthal is going to end up being the best reliever in 2021, and there hasn’t been a ton of buzz, so maybe someone is going to get a real bargain with him.
You might be on to something here. I hope Padres can bring him back if that happens.
Oddvark, I agree. I was hoping the Angels may be the team to get a nice bargain with Rosenthal.
If that doesn’t workout, perhaps the Dodgers or Padres.
does that mean he allowed 40 earned runs but no unearned ones?
You don’t hear Rosenthal mentioned too much. He’s a bit under the radar. Could be a real nice bullpen piece for some team
I think he’s going to end up signing for something similar to what Treinen got. He can definitely be a nice piece, I just don’t know if his “under the radar” status is going to really result in him being all that cheap.
Especially once Hand signs somewhere, with Hendriks and Treinen already signed he’s going to be the best reliever left on the market and there are still teams looking for closers.
I’m still waiting to order my MLBTR “The Blue Jays are Interested” T-shirt. It will apparently never go out of style.
If CY and JD can come out of nowhere and make a deal with Odorizzi I’d be thankful. We are low key WC contenders in 22′. Make a 3 year deal happen!
gotta wonder if the uncertainty over where the Jays will be playing will harm their chances of bringing in big FA signings. id imagine they play in Buffalo, but who knows at this point
I agree
They played at their Triple-A stadium, right? Where does the Triple-A team play then if there is a minor league season?
I’d imagine some lost independent team would allow one of the Jay’s affiliates to play in their stadium. Get some of that extra MiLB revenue.
Good question.
Maybe Dunedin? That or stagger the home start times. AAA team would get a lot of afternoon home games maybe.
I assume they want to keep their AAA team near their MLB roster for seamless roster moves throughout the season, so Dunedin, probably not.
Yes, a two-three hour flight is too far away. (Not)
It’s a curiosity what they do. They might have to bump some AAA games up earlier in the day. Atleast the local Buffalo fans would be getting some MLB games in place of seeing Bisons night games. I’m just not sure how they keep 4 team rosters inside one stadium locker room and switch outside. I wonder if they could play AAA games in another regional AAA park home/away kind of like the Cubs/Sox attempt to do in scheduling.
The Jays have indicated they’re going to start the 2021 season at their (recently upgraded) spring training complex if Toronto isn’t an option. The Bisons will play in Buffalo.
Everyone knocks Toronto, but no one are losers like the Angels. Why? Look at their pitching.They will be wasting another year of Mike Trout.
It’s probably too late, but they should’ve traded Trout back when the LAD and SDP were super-loaded with prospects.
If the Jays want Odorizzi offer him a one year deal. He won’t take it. Then the Jays can move on and aim higher. Not a believer in Odorizzi bouncing back in the AL East.
Maybe the Padres want Rosenthal, but were not serious about signing Yates
Yates is 100 years old just missed full season had 1 monster year for career
I’m telling’ ya after reading so much of this ignorance regarding this Jays offseason I just have to make a post. Here I guess: I believe Mark Shapiro is a more skilled manager than Alex Anthopolous ever was, for starters. I also can’t see one thing Ross Atkins has done wrong. He’s cool, he’s calculated and to make another point — Shapiro and Atkins have almost set themselves up for failure by being so vocal about their desire to add, from Shapiro’s mouth paraphrasing at least one or two impact players this offseason. this is a normally very reserved and conservative attitude you are used to from them.
Now let’s look at a few facts.
1) Lindor gone and pressure of not knowing he’d sign if he was traded and who we might have to give up for a rental. starting with groshans.
2)NYM signed mccann early, JTR clearly in play.
3)the offer Jays had towards springer was supposedly around 115 vs. NYM’s 150. stick to your valuations have a look at the vast vast pennies on the dollar free agents.
Now NYM is notoriously not wanting to bug their lux. tax. more good news.
4)this management can financially do whatever it wants.there might be 6 shocking guys you could get for 115.
But anyways, Im done rambling. Most of my fellow Jays fans consider the waiting a bad thing. The Jays could feast on this extreme buyers market and have springer coming to them. give the boy another 10mil to realize Toronto was his favorite place in the world.
I’m with you 100%. It is the same with many RS fans. They’d rather sign a bad deal, as long as it is early, than sign a good deal that they might have to wait for. Unless it is a unique talent, then there is no reason to outbid another team that is already over-bidding.
Common Padre closers spit bit in postseason