Despite a clear opening in their outfield, the White Sox are “extraordinarily unlikely” to sign George Springer this winter, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports. The longtime Astros slugger has plenty of interest elsewhere, and Passan suggests that the ChiSox aren’t keen on paying “center-field prices for a corner outfielder.”
That’s perhaps an overly simplistic means of describing the situation, given that there are plenty of highly paid corner outfielders — some whose current contracts top whatever Springer will eventually command in free agency (e.g. Bryce Harper). However, it’s also fair to say that a considerable portion of Springer’s value is tied to the fact that he is not only a vastly above-average hitter but an above-average defender at a premium position. By all indications he’d be a strong defender in right field as well, but it seems his asking price and the Sox’ valuation of a corner outfielder — even an extremely well-rounded one — don’t align.
Right field is still a glaring need for a White Sox club that predictably non-tendered Nomar Mazara after a miserable debut season on the South Side. Fleet-footed Adam Engel gives them an option, although his track record prior to the 2020 season was that of a replacement-level player. At the very least, a left-handed bat to pair with Engel in a platoon setting would be sensible for the Sox to pursue.
To that end, it’s worth adding that The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal lists the White Sox as one of the teams with “at least some” interest in free-agent slugger Joc Pederson. Passan suggests that perhaps Michael Brantley could be a fit as well, although Brantley has just 58 career innings in right field. He’s spent the bulk of his career in left field with some frequent work in center field as well during his younger days. (NBC Sports Chicago’s Chuck Garfien makes a pitch for the Sox to bring Adam Eaton back into the fold, although that’s purely an opinion piece and not an indication that the two sides have actually spoken about a reunion.)
Pederson isn’t a new name to be connected to the White Sox. There’s been little to solidly connect the two sides up to now in the current offseason, but this is now the third consecutive offseason that has seen the White Sox reported to have interest in Pederson. The Sox and Dodgers talked about a potential Pederson swap in both the 2018-19 and 2019-20 offseasons, although they obviously weren’t able to come to an agreement.
For the Sox, Pederson would likely be a pure platoon partner for Engel, as his career .191/.266/.310 slash against lefties is difficult for any club to stomach. He doesn’t hit for a high average against righties, either, but Pederson walks at a near-13 percent clip and boasts top-of-the-scale power when he’s holding the platoon advantage, as evidenced by a .238/.349/.501 batting line (128 wRC+). Brantley would be more of an everyday option, as he generally hits for average and gets on base regardless of opponent, although the bulk of his power comes against righties only. Again, though, it’s not an ideal defensive fit for Brantley, who’d probably require some time at DH as well.
Adding a lefty bat is in many ways a sensible approach for the White Sox, whose lineup is rife with right-handed bats. Outside of switch-hitters Yoan Moncada and Yasmani Grandal, the Sox’ starting lineup is entirely right-handed; Jose Abreu, Nick Madrigal, Tim Anderson, Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert all bat from the right side, as does top prospect Andrew Vaughn, who could factor into the team’s DH mix at some point in 2021.
baseballpun
Well it sure seems like the White Sox will have a right fielder next season.
jawinks
Probably Josh Reddick
realsox
Maybe. But. Pederson? He’s grown chunky and surely has lost a step or two. Engel as a full-time right fielder would be a better option. He’s shown some pop, too.
mabjr-cwsfan
Agreed. I’d prefer bringing back Adam Eaton than going after Peterson or even Brantley. Additionally, I’m all for giving Engel a full time shot at right field. He’s earned it.
Idioms for Idiots
@baseballpun
Great point.
jhomeslice
I don’t know why people are not clamoring for Rosario. He is very solid. He has played some RF, is left handed, and a lot better numbers than Pederson. In 2019 he hit 30 homers with 109 rbi’s, about the same pace in 2020. Same homers/rbi’s as Eloy in 2020.
Nobody is comparable to Springer, but Rosario is a career .277 hitter, while Pederson is at .230, and has never had a season where he has even hit .250, or driven in 75 runs on a good team. Pederson would be better than Mazara, who wouldn’t be, but still… Rosario is clearly a better overall hitter, and not totally useless against lefties like Joc.
Plus, getting him would prevent him from re-signing with the Twins. If the Sox got him plus the Twins losing him, it would create a serious gap between the two teams. They are evenly matched now, but would not be if the Sox got Rosario.
I would not rule out Ozuna completely either. Mazara was not exactly a great defender, and Ozuna won a gold glove in left like 3 years ago. His gold glove says he can catch the ball well at least. I doubt Ozuna would be worse than Nomar. Would not be a perfect fit to stick Ozuna in right, but with his offense… I think it would make them a lot better team.
Marty McRae
Kind of depressing certain positions have more money value to front offices
If a 1B has an 8 WAR season, it’s no different to a CF or LF or P having one.
thebaseballfanatic
That’s actually not entirely true. Top-of-the-line superstar pitchers can earn 5-6 WAR over a full season, hitters 7-8. A pitcher with a full-season WAR of 8 would be incredible, for a hitter very, very good.
jordan4giants 2
8 War is superstar territory. In 2019 only Trout and Bregman had 8 WAR, In 2018 it was Trout, Betts, and JRam. You hit 8 WAR you have put up a HoF season
Marty McRae
Why are you focussing on the example, in this usage “8” clearly means “any random” number, you can sub “4” in there or “5” or “6” or even “7” if you’d like, the point will still be open and unchallenged.
Don’t understand where your head is at here, you ignored the initial point to nitpick the example? No need to do this.
thebaseballfanatic
I just thought that that example would be more accurate, considering it was the one presenting in the post I replied to. That was all.
Marty McRae
“If a 1B has an 3 WAR season, it’s no different to a CF or LF or P having one.” – same point. WAR is a cumulative stat, the number doesn’t mean more or less depending on position. Never has been.
thebaseballfanatic
Incredible meaning historic, very very good meaning MVP-caliber.
Big Hurt
This is true in principal Marty McRae, but it isn’t entirely true when practically applied (to me). Much like Value-Based Draft in fantasy leagues, the key is to be a certain number of wins ABOVE the average player at a position. Another way to look at it is scarcity. As such, a 5 oWAR at catcher is worth more than a 5 WAR in 1B, because there are many more 5 oWAR 1Bs to find.
wordonthestreet
@14yearold
Your post and analysis was spot on!
Troutgolfsinoctober
Dude, Clemson and randy Johnson has 6 seasons over 8 war each. The year Aaron Nola won the cy he was at 10. The best Pitchers literally have 8 war every season. A position player almost has to play center or short to gain that war unless he Rakes like he’s Barry. War definitely gives more value to pitchers center fielders and SS. Not sure what you are talking about my guy.
dan55
@Troutgolfsinoctober, you are referring to baseball reference war. Their site overvalues pitching, which is why you get a guy like Nola putting up 10 war. If you use Fangraphs war, it is very rare to see pitchers put up seasons at over 7 war.
baseballpun
It’s easier to find players with one tool (power) than 3+ tools, so it’s cheaper to just pay guys who are good at one thing than to pay guys who are good at baseball.
juanpursuit
The issue is Springer‘s high WAR risks are due in part to the positional adjustment, which he wouldn’t get as a corner guy. It’s more cost effective to find a better hitter relative to prove to play corner outfield.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Juan, maybe, but it’d be pretty easy to extrapolate his numbers over to RF. And the Sox should prioritize him not just according to his expected output, but the player he’d be replacing and their other options. Brantley, Rosario, and Schwarber could all work, but none are the difference-maker Springer is.
Dogbone
Only criteria the W Sox have, is whoever Reinsdorf signs will have to agree to an undervalued salary. It’s Jerry’s style.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
This site needs a mute option.
Idioms for Idiots
@Dogbone
Except Grandal, who you have said multiple times is overpaid. Or EE, or Yonder Alonso, or LaRoche, or Dunn, just to name a few more overpaid players for the Sox.
But we will just ignore all those so your statement can be 100% accurate.
Marty McRae
@juanpursuit
“It’s more cost effective to find a better hitter relative to prove to play corner outfield.”
and yes, that is depressing, which was the initial point. Really great we came all this way to understand 2 lines and like 25 words ha ha ha
Whifff
I would just love as a baseball fan to see an Engel, Robert, Springer outfield a few days a week. It would be THE BEST defensive outfield in all of baseball. Yep. I just said that. Talk about making your pitching better. And the lineup speed is fun when Engel plays. Robert to Engel to Madrigal to Anderson to Springer to Moncada would be a blast to watch running ahead of Abreu, Grandal, Jiminez.
whiteysox
Engel
hyraxwithaflamethrower
@Whifff I hope La Russa has them run more. You bring up a great point about the speed; the team is loaded with it. They should be near the top of the league in steals with Engel, Madrigal, Robert, and Anderson. It would make an already potent offense that much better.
DTDATL
If you’re evaluating a team, player, or position on the basis of a made up stat that has no basis in reality and can’t be proved, you’ve already failed
Very Barry
Certain position do have a higher value. Catcher is a low-priority position. I would not touch 30-year-old Realmuto for 5+ years at north of $120 million with a 10-foot pole.
Big35Hurt
That’s because front offices know that the WAR stat is a very loose (at best) way to value a player. That stat is extremely flawed.
blake h.
This is a dumb comment
jordan4giants 2
Seems like a good fit for Puig to me
jawinks
The players didn’t want him though
fisk72
Steele Walker?
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
…is now a Ranger.
Steele Walker Texas Ranger.
fisk72
Yes. I know.
SalaryCapMyth
Jared Padalecki is a ranger too. Pretty good pick up there. He’ll definitely be a help against the demons and ghosts.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
They traded him for an OF who they non-tendered literally one season later. Just a friendly reminder.
Idioms for Idiots
The Mazara trade wasn’t a bad trade at the time. It just happened to completely blow up in their faces. At the time, I would take Mazara over Walker without hesitation. Walker was floundering in A ball when the Sox moved him. Adolfo, Basabe, and Rutherford were far better RF options as prospects than Walker. Unfortunately none of them have worked out.
Those things happen regarding Mazara. It was gamble worth taking at the time. Knowing what happened this season, sure, I’d go back in time and trade for a different RF if I were Hahn, but since we can’t, he just has to eat the loss and try again.
People need to quit acting like they gave away another Tatis.
CalcetinesBlancos
I didn’t think they gave away a star, but they did give away a depth piece who could be a decent OBP guy. I didn’t like the Mazara trade because they thought he was lazy in Texas and he also doesn’t get on base. Just seemed kind of pointless, especially given that he was already in arbitration.
David Barista
83Sox Adolfo, Basabe, AND Rutherford are/were not better RF options than Walker…. Adolfo maybe…. Rutherford and Basabe no…. I don’t hate the trade… they took a shot for 2020… IF Steele Walker makes it he won’t be Tatis Jr, and he ain’t reaching the majors in 2021
Big35Hurt
Steele Walker will never be a major league outfielder.
Priggs89
Wouldn’t be an option this year even if he was in the organization
Oddvark
There are so many free agent options beyond Springer/Pederson/Brantley. If they are only looking at left-handed bats, they could consider recent non-tenders Eddie Rosario, David Dahl, or Kyle Schwarber, and/or KBO star Mel Rojas Jr, and/or another free agent center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. And the Sox Cuban connection makes Yasiel Puig a possibility, if they’d consider a righty (though if they were interested in him, they could have signed him last off-season).
Jacob Sizemore
Great point Oddvark… I was thinking about how much sense Pederson made until I read some of the names you listed…. Idk how good in CF David Dahl would be, but that’d be intriguing… guy can hit just has to stay healthy. Add his potential and that lineup is scary.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Dahl wouldn’t be a CF on the Sox. Robert is already there and you don’t move a Gold-Glover for someone who got non-tendered by their last team.
Jacob Sizemore
My bad I want OF, not CF.
Jacob Sizemore
My bad I meant OF, not CF.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Rosario wouldn’t be bad, neither would Schwarber. I wouldn’t want Puig and his attitude issues. JBJ would be probably be expensive for the offensive output and he, like Springer, is a CF. None of those guys would make as much difference as Springer, though. He’s the kind of move that puts a team over the top.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
Puig and LaRussa would make for one heckuva TV sitcom.
ASapsFables
The White Sox did meet with Yasiel Puig and his representatives at last December’s winter meetings. They were said to be impressed with him but ultimately decided to trade for Nomar Mazara instead. I’m guessing Puig was asking for a considerable multi-year deal at the time while Mazara was much cheaper (and younger) with his two years of remaining arbitration eligibility.
Clearly Puig will be demanding a whole lot less this offseason after missing all of 2020 and the White Sox might very well consider him again. At the very least, Puig is a better defensive RF than most of the options mentioned this offseason. His arm alone is vastly superior to virtually all of these candidates.
Puig still offers a tremendous amount of potential with a right-handed bat that has generally performed very well versus RHP which is a weakness the White Sox would like to address this offseason and why they seem intent on finding a lefty bat for either RF or DH. Aside from the obvious White Sox-Cuban connection, how much fun would it be to dream on a Puig-Tony La Russa matchup in the White Sox dugout and clubhouse? lol
ponytail01
I’d like them to sign both Dahl and Pederson. One could DH and the other play in the field. Both are good outfielders. I hope they don’t sign anyone as a DH only.
Priggs89
#FreeYermin
hyraxwithaflamethrower
As usual, Reinsdorf is looking at this the wrong way. It should be wins provided above the current situation (and other options). Springer is clearly the best OF on the market. Mazara is one of the worst OF in baseball. The value added by signing him would be massive. Plus, having a good defender in right would allow Robert to cheat just a little bit toward left and slightly shrink the area Eloy has to defend. Or, they could bring Engel in and have a terrific late-inning defensive squad. This, even more than pitching, should be their top priority this offseason because there are no good in-house options, while for pitching, there’s at least a chance Dunning, Kopech, Cease, Stiever, Lopez, Crochet, or Kelly could take the next step and be valuable in a starter’s role.
Nothing
I mean, I know Mazara is pretty bad, but saying he’s “one of the worst OF in baseball” is a bit harsh.
baseballpun
Depends on where the cutoff is for “worst.”
Marty McRae
The truth hurts. Great arm but terrible routes and range. Mazara plays RF like a stiff 1B.
mlb1225
Ranks in the bottom 8 in wRC+, wOBA, fWAR and DRS among outfielders.
Marty McRae
Exactly, CWS are stacked everywhere except LF or RF and most players are already on team-friendly deals, they can absolutely afford to buy the best available OF and plug him in anywhere.
You can’t go big then not fill in the gaps, that’s the sign of a fan-unfriendly ownership who only cares about money, with winning not even a priority.
Big35Hurt
???? They have one of the best leftfielders in baseball.
CalcetinesBlancos
This is actually a really good point. It would be nice to sign a solid veteran SP so you wouldn’t be screwed if one of those young starters needs to be sent down for some more seasoning, Would much rather them be able to play the young guys that are performing, even though you’d still have to expect guys like Dunning. Cease, Kopech, etc to have growing pains here and there.
But pitching is not my concern with this team. RF needs to be addressed. It’s insane to have such a good lineup offensively and then have zero production from RF, especially considering your GG CF means you wouldn’t need to expect much defensively from them. You could totally plug a bat-first guy in there.
ASapsFables
hyraxwithaflamethrower: What you say is true although a compelling case could also be made that adding a veteran ace to the top of the White Sox rotation would be equally or more important than a RF in order to increase their chances of winning a World Series in the next year or two. If free agent Trevor Bauer was actually willing to sign a shorter term contract with a higher AAV like he has stated in the past the White Sox should be all over him.
Having Bauer for 2021 and/or 2022 helps solves the White Sox consternation of only having Lucas Giolito and Dallas Keuchel as set pieces in their postseason rotation. It also give the White Sox an additional year or two to evaluate the development of all those young pitchers you mentioned and might also allow them to package a couple of them to find their ideal long term fit in RF via a trade. A couple of those top young power arms might also help fetch one of the TOR’s rumored to be available this offseason from among Yu Darvish. Blake Snell or German Marquez if Bauer is not amenable to pitching for the White Sox or he insists on a Gerrit Cole type contract this winter.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Bauer has been great 2 of the last 3 years, meh for the rest of his career. It’s possible he just figured it out, but it’s possible he’s due for regression. Springer has been excellent in the postseason, while Bauer seems either unhittable or terrible. I wouldn’t be opposed to adding a SP via trade or a lesser one, like Tanaka, via FA, but I’m not sold on Bauer, at least not $30M+ worth sold. If they’re going to trade for someone, Cubs would probably want a lot for Darvish after the season he had, so I feel Snell or Marquez would be cheaper and both are younger.
Big35Hurt
Bauer is not the same pitcher as he was in 2019 and earlier. Take a look at the spin rate increases on literally every pitch he throws. Its insane. THAT is why he won the Cy Young. He is legit and would make the WSox the immediate world series favorite in the AL.
ASapsFables
There is no doubt that Trevor Bauer is in a class by himself among free agent starting pitchers this offseason. He’d probably top all of the SP’s rumored to be available in trades this winter as well.
maxmadsen
I’d take the marginal hit on defense and sign Brantley but I think it’ll be Pederson or JBJ. With Dahl and Puig as fallback options.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Brantley is a marginal hit if he’s playing, but at his age, he’d have to be a DH more and more often through the rest of his deal. The Sox already have a DH platoon and are likely to move either Vaughn or Abreu to DH full-time when Vaughn comes up. On a short (2-year) deal, maybe, but longer than that and he’s just a platoon option at the end.
maximumvelocity
Chuck Garfien is a glorified press agent who works to spin everything in a positive light for the news station owned in part by Reinsdorf. He did so with La Russa. If he is discussing the possibility of Eaton returning, it probably means they are considering the move.
tgallagher
If you had listened to his podcast, none of the hosts thought that LaRussa was a good choice. Believe A.J. Hinch was the guy. Sox fans don’t make those decisions.
CalcetinesBlancos
Eaton isn’t the flashiest choice, but he has a good arm, wouldn’t have to cover much ground with La Pantera in CF, and adding another guy with a good OBP would make this lineup even more of a pain in the ass for opposing pitchers.
Get it done Sox. It should only take a 2-3 year deal max, and a new Corvette.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Doubt they bring Eaton back. There were clashes the last time he was there. I like both Rosario and Schwarber better as fallback options.
mlb1225
Rosario or Schwarber in right field? They have the arm, but they definiltey belong in left.
CalcetinesBlancos
True, but Robert allows you to consider defensive options you normally wouldn’t.
keysox
No to Springer – Eaton – Rosario – Schwarber.
Yes to people like Bader – Meadows – maybe even Reddick 1/3m.
Let Engel play.
CalcetinesBlancos
You’d have to expect a few bone-headed defensive plays here and there, but a Schwarber/Engel platoon looks like it would be ridiculously productive.
Engel has been killing LHP the past few years, and obviously we know what Schwarber does against RHP (plus the Sox have a tiny park so the power numbers might be even better than expected). Throw in the luxury of Schwarber being available to DH/pinch hit in favorable matchups and it sounds even better.
I wonder what it takes to sign him, but If I’m him I’m looking for a one-year deal. With a solid 2021 you’d think he’d set himself up better long-term than trying to find a longer deal in the middle of covid.
Marty McRae
Who here thinks Reinsdorf will completely blow how well the White Sox are set up to be a contender right now?
They could be a behemoth if they add someone like Springer. He only really needs a LF or RF and there’s no real reason why they can’t just buy the best available player other than Reinsdorf being cheap and bad at owning a baseball team in 2020.
The La Russa signing was bad, but comments like “not paying center-field prices for a corner outfielder” are just very bad for players. This guy just needs to go.
partylikeits2005
They could also be a behemoth if they bring in superstar production at another position – Bauer, Snell, or any other top tier SP. Or someone like Cruz at DH. Or load up the bullpen even more. They aren’t going to be able to bring in a stud for every opening on the roster. What’s wrong with prioritizing one of the other areas ahead of RF and letting a platoon of Engel/someone else handle RF?
maximumvelocity
The best play for the White Sox in RF is Jackie Bradley Jr. He will play exceptional defense, and provide at least average offensive production in RF, which is something they haven’t had there in years. Rosario would be the fall back.
Schwarzenegger should only be considered for DH.
CalcetinesBlancos
JBJ wouldn’t even be a good platoon option. You’d be better off putting Engel out there full time.
Oddvark
I would love to see Ahnold at DH!
ASapsFables
It seems to me that signing perennial Gold Glove contending free agent CF Jackie Bradley Jr. to play RF fits the same argument regarding George Springer, namely that the ChiSox aren’t keen on paying “center-field prices for a corner outfielder.” Clearly JBJ will cost significantly less than Springer but the former still figures to be more expensive than the likes of virtually every other free agent corner OF candidate mentioned here with the exception of Marcell Ozuna and Michael Brantley who are ideally suited to perform in LF or as DH’s.
ASapsFables
That said, I’d be fine with the White Sox signing Jackie Bradley Jr. to be their primary RF for a couple of seasons at a smart price. Unlike most of the options here, JBJ provides the White Sox with a great CF insurance policy if Luis Robert regresses back to his minor league history of nagging injuries. As an added bonus, signing JBJ would also be the most Kenny Williams move the White Sox could make this offseason. lol
Oddvark
Since the Sox tried to get Pederson the last two years, you could make a case that signing him would be a pretty Kenny “always gets his man” Williams move, too.
ASapsFables
That might be true although I believe that Rick Hahn has instigated and influenced most of the White Sox trade discussions since replacing Kenny Williams as GM in October of 2012. I believe that Hahn has more influence over the procurement of players than what GM Jed Hoyer had on the northside of Chicago when he was a subordinate of PBO Theo Epstein.
Williams seems more content to scouting players, particularly international ones. Clearly both Williams and Hahn have to run any big ticket acquisitions through owner Jerry Reinsdorf with KW most likely the point person in those discussions. Fans might recall it was Hahn who instigated the White Sox full-on rebuild back in 2016 by telling both Williams and JR that their team was “mired in mediocrity” with their annual philosophy of reloading or retooling.
mikecws91
Engel has proven more than capable against LHP and was a Gold Glove finalist in center. I think he and Pederson would make a great platoon, and the big bucks can go toward starting pitching.
whiteysox
Short of Springer this is best plan. Teammates were glad to see Eaton go
mabjr-cwsfan
Not the same team anymore, maybe 2-3 players are still around. Heck even the coaching staff is different. Don’t think it’ll be a problem.
David Barista
Mabjr-cwsfan, it’s not the teammates…. it’s Adam Eaton
hyraxwithaflamethrower
It’s an interesting option, but I highly doubt Bauer signs up to play for La Russa. After that, it’s a big step down to get to guys like Paxton and Tanaka.
Big35Hurt
agreed!
whosyourmomma
Sign Brantley to a 2 yr deal. He’s such a solid bat & pro to go with the young guys. Platoon Eloy and Engel in RF. Engel can spell guys or start from LF-RF. Eloy & Brantley get more time at DH. Bring Vaughn up mid season or if injuries to any OF or Abreu.
whosyourmomma
But White Sox in a good spot since there seems to be quite a few corner OF’s available- Brantley, Schwarber, Rosario, Pederson, Dahl & Eaton (all lefty bats which fit their need too).
HalosHeavenJJ
Robbie Grossman is a solid fit there (and here). Left handed bat who can play either corner but won’t break the bank.
Brian Goodwin would also be a decent signing.
HalosHeavenJJ
Correction: Grossman is a switch hitter, not a true lefty. Still, he’s lefty the vast majority of the time.
Rick H.
Sox Will sign Oscar Colas to play right field.
stripes46
I looked him up and he seems to be a really good prospect!
ASapsFables
Oscar Colas, the Cuban ‘Ohtani’, is a strong possibility for the White Sox as is #1 international free agent Yoelqui Cespedes who is the half-brother of Yoenis. Both figure to ink deals soon.
Colas was just released from his Japanese contract. Cespedes is eligible to sign in the current international period but at this point will likely coming to an agreement soon after the start of the next international period in January with more teams having the necessary bonus dollars to meet his demands. Both players figure to spend some time in the high minors before making their MLB debuts which wouldn’t preclude the White Sox from signing a short term free agent option to fill RF in 2021.
Big35Hurt
Advanced scouts peg Colas as a AAAA player. The WSox wouldn’t be counting on him even if they signed him. It would be as a wait and see if they could improve him type of player.
Oddvark
Why doesn’t anyone ever seem to think Mel Rojas Jr would be a good fit? He’s more of a natural right fielder than most of the other options. I guess no one thinks his KBO numbers will translate at all to success in the MLB?
Or is it more that the Sox shouldn’t be making speculative signings at this stage — leave that for rebuilding/borderline teams — and should be more focused on known quantities?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
For Rojas and the White Sox, I think it’s both, honestly. They’re legit contenders if they shore up RF and their rotation improves. With so many more trusted options, I don’t see them rolling the dice on Rojas.
cwsOverhaul
The way WSox like to quietly pounce on their target, this leaks seems premptive to a soon announced signing of Joc or a short-term solution while Springer can/should take his time getting a boatload elsewhere.
dontstopnowboys
Time for a huge trade! Lynn and Gallo from Texas and a bevy of prospects from the Sox. Time to win and Gallo in right and Lynn slotted as the #3 starter puts us in great position.
cwsOverhaul
If Hahn plays this right, WSox won’t have to deal much from its top heavy system of prospects. They can take on more $ trading for a starter (as opposed to prospects) and make a decent/not great expenditure for RF.
davemlaw
Joey Gallo is next years Kyle Schwarber. But Lynn would be a great addition!
Robbie Grossman or Adam Eaton make a lot of sense on short term deals. White Sox just need better production from RF and that should be easy to do and not too expensive either.
ASapsFables
Lance Lynn would be an excellent addition the White Sox rotation depending on his cost in assets. In no way should the White Sox consider moving one of their top-3 prospects (Vaughn, Kopech, Madrigal) for a TOR with only one year of team control. The White Sox might consider packing one of those prospects for a younger and more controllable ace like Blake Snell or German Marquez,
Madrigal should be off limits since his departure creates another hole for the White Sox at 2B. I’d also be hesitant to move Vaughn since he is the heir apparent at 1B to Jose Abreu and also figures to be in the DH mix for 2021. Kopech would be the one prospect some White Sox fans might be willing to ‘sacrifice’ after electing to sit out the 2020 season and then showing up as a spectator for some postseason games in Texas. The White Sox also have more surplus among their young pitching arms, most of whom are right-handed aside from southpaw phenom Garrett Crochet who looks to be their next Chris Sale coming out of the bullpen before being added to the rotation in 2022 or 2023.
davemlaw
It’s always cool when you predict the future.
ASapsFables
Lance Lynn would be an excellent addition the White Sox rotation depending on his cost in assets. In no way should the White Sox consider moving one of their top-3 prospects (Vaughn, Kopech, Madrigal) for a TOR with only one year of team control. The White Sox might consider packing one of those prospects for a younger and more controllable TOR like Blake Snell or German Marquez,
Madrigal should be off limits since his departure creates another hole for the White Sox at 2B. I’d also be hesitant to move Vaughn since he is the heir apparent at 1B to Jose Abreu and also figures to be in the DH mix for 2021. Kopech would be the one prospect some White Sox fans might be willing to ‘sacrifice’ after electing to sit out the 2020 season and then showing up as a spectator for some postseason games in Texas. The White Sox also have more surplus among their young pitching arms, most of whom are right-handed aside from southpaw phenom Garrett Crochet who looks to be their next Chris Sale coming out of the bullpen before being added to the rotation in 2022 or 2023.
dave frost nhlpa
Hey….you know who likes RF? Stanton. Take him he’s yours.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
lol
IronBallsMcGinty
Perhaps they will heavily explore the trade market. Just because Springer is the best available outfielder on the FA market doesn’t make him the best fit for the Sox. Not saying I’m against it but going out and paying for the best available guy just because you can doesn’t guarantee anything.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’d rather they didn’t trade for a RF. I haven’t heard of many good options on the market for one thing; second, their window is just opening. They could either trade a little from their depth and get a guy for just a year or two, or trade a lot and risk shortening their window or giving themselves depth problems in the future. I’d rather they just signed Rosario or Schwarber if they’re not going after Springer.
ASapsFables
MLB is now heading into the heart of its hot stove season this week with the virtual (lol) winter meetings upon us and the non-tender deadline behind us. The White Sox have a huge free agent pool from which to decide upon their next RF as well as a potential DH to help address their need for more lineup balance, better OBP skills and maybe even fewer SO’s.
I also wouldn’t sleep on the potential for a blockbuster trade that might help the White Sox kill two birds with one stone, namely adding a needed veteran TOR along with their new RF. Aces like Yu Darvish, Blake Snell and German Marquez have all been rumored as being potentially available, on teams looking to shed some salary this offseason. Each one of those TOR’s also has a teammate who can play RF that also comes with a negatively valued contract, one that the White Sox may be willing to absorb in order to reduce the cost of acquiring any of those aces. Surely the Cubs, Rays and Rockies would love to shed much if not all of the remaining contracts associated with OF’s Jason Heyward, Kevin Kiermaier and Charlie Blackmon. As an added bonus, each of those aforementioned OF’s also hits left-handed and comes with a solid OBP resume, something the White Sox would also like to address with a lineup that leans heavily right-handed and draws few walks.
cwsOverhaul
Yes, a creative Marquez/Blackmon combo would be nice if JR will allow Hahn to take on most or all of the latter’s salary to keep key prospects here. Throw them Collins if needed, as WSox can get a defensive minded veteran backup and let Ethan Katz turn the young starters into studs like he did Giolito.
Aj5258
I’d be shocked if Eaton returns. The whole Drake LaRoche thing is still fresh in the minds of Rick, Kenny and JR. He burned his bridge in Chicago.
CalcetinesBlancos
If they could welcome Ozzie back into the family, anything is possible. And Eaton always played hard for the Sox and was a fan favorite.
ASapsFables
Just prior to Adam Eaton being dealt to the Nationals in December of 2016, ‘Spanky’ produced a 6.6 bWAR as the White Sox primary RF. His bWAR was fueled by an oWAR of 4.o and a dWAR of 2,3 with the latter metric and his 18 outfield assists supporting his nomination as a 2016 Gold Glove finalist among AL right-fielders. Eaton also was a finalist for the 2014 GG award as the White Sox CF in his rookie year.
Clearly injuries have taken a toll on Eaton, but he is still just 32 following his birthday on December 6th. He may be worthy of a make-good one year contract loaded with incentives based on his ability to stay off of the IL. Similar to free agent acquisition Dallas Keuchel last offseason, Eaton also has a World Series ring on his resume.
Guillo
In this article they do not mention Puig, does not it seem strange ??, or is it that MLB runs everything from his office
However, fans do know that it is the best option by far
oriole
Shaun Armstrong and DJ Stewart from the O’s for Jake Burger
jimrad
I like Dahl. But Eaton and Rosario would be reasonable $$ wise. Followed by Pedersen and Bradley . White Sox should be SMART. There is good value out there at all positions. Pitching included. Hopefully Sox can sign Colas.
dazedatnoon
Outside of a Degrom type pickup, German Marquez is the pitcher the Sox need. 4 years control, groundball pitcher with excellent numbers outside of Coors.
south side hit men
Very disappointing to hear. I thought one benefit of hiring Tony LaRussa would be the increase of sense or urgency to win now….since he’s close to 100 and his liver is shot.
If Milwaukee is set on lowering payroll I wonder what we’d have to give up for Hader and Cain and taking on their salary? Dunning and Stiever and Thompson? Plus a few lottery tickets?
jimrad
LEARN FROM THE CUBS ! Keep your future intact. Do not trade away your future. Build for a long run of contention. The player market is ripe this year to sign all your needs at bargain prices without relinquishing your future assets !
hyraxwithaflamethrower
By and large, I agree with this. If the cost for Gray, though, was Stiever and Adolfo (the trade of Raisel Iglesias seems to suggest they’ll take pennies on the dollar), I’d do that. Don’t know if I’d meet the price for Snell (Vaughn, Stiever, and one other prospect have been suggested), but I’d have to at least think about it. I wouldn’t trade from their depth for a one-year rental, so I wouldn’t even consider trading for Bryant or Lynn.
SupremeZeus
Dbacks will probably be looking to get $$ off the books, probably could acquire Cole Calhoun quite cheaply. The freight train has also played a fair bit of RF for the snakes, although they would probably want a fairly steep return for the fan favorite. Both LHHs and solid defenders on cheap Ks.
Oddvark
One other comment. The Sox don’t need to acquire a long-term RF solution this year. I’d be fine with a just decent player on a one-year deal for 2021, leaving open the possibility of a better long-term signing/trade next offseason (or at the trade deadline).. For example, Conforto might be a possibility next offseason and might be better long-term play. And the Sox should then have a better understanding of how their young players (like Kopech, Vaughn, Madrigal, Cease, Dunning, Steiver, Crochet, Collins) are meeting the team’s needs and/or how much trade value those players might have.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Not much available after Conforto. Castellanos would likely only opt out if he’s looking for a raise and the rest of the options aren’t too appealing. spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/2022/
They could get something via trade, but no way to know who will be available. I’d rather they make their play this year. Would I rather have Conforto than Rosario? Yes, of course, but there’s no guarantee Conforto even makes it to FA. There are plenty of options now, ranging from playable to All-Star. Better to get one of those than dream of just one player next year.
Idioms for Idiots
I would’ve liked Springer, but there are plenty of RF options out there. With the market the way it is, they could probably get a quality one fairly cheap. Or there are trade options out there. It’s not the end of the world that they don’t get Springer. All you’re looking for is a superior option to Engel. And even having Engel as the option isn’t a horrible thing.
This is what their lineup will look like for the majority of ’21 (barring injuries):
C Grandal
1B Abreu
2B Madrigal
SS TA
3B Yoan
LF Eloy
CF Robert
RF ??? (Engel as worst case scenario)
DH Vaughn
Pretty stacked lineup, even with Engel as RF. They don’t need an All-Star in RF, any quality RF will do. Anything is an improvement to what Mazara gave this season.
The #1 thing I would like to see the Sox do this Winter is extend Giolito before he wants a ridiculous amount of money (which he will easily earn if he keeps pitching like he has been the last 2 seasons).
As for additions to the roster, the #1 thing would be to get a TOR. If they add to the rotation and he’s not a TOR, then a max 1-year deal for the non-TOR. I don’t want the rotation clogged with one or two mediocre pitchers for the next 2 or 3 years, blocking guys like Dunning, Crochet, Kopech, etc.
Idioms for Idiots
Note:
I’m sure the majority of you could figure this out on your own, but what I listed above wasn’t meant as the actual lineup, but as who will be in the lineup at their position. Obviously Grandal won’t lead off and obviously Madrigal won’t bat 3rd.
Just trying to beat the trolls to the punch.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
One of these days, you know Renteria would have tried it just like that.
Idioms for Idiots
@hyraxwithaflamethrower
LOL Good one. I wouldn’t have put it past him.
Oddvark
Just so you don’t miss out on any trolling, I’ll note that your listing is BAD because 3B should be listed before SS per baseball position ordinality.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Rush him to the hospital after that sick burn!
Idioms for Idiots
@Oddvark
LOL good point. I can handle that “trolling”.
And I already know you’re not a troll.
CalcetinesBlancos
I agree completely. No point in signing some mediocre veteran SP. Either sign a badass SP that they think can help a playoff run, or ignore the rotation, let your young guys play, and focus on the other holes your roster has.
ChiSoxCity
The Sox have a unique opportunity upgrade with a slugging RF. If they’re serious about contending for multiple years, they need to get THEIR guy, not some suitable sub flyball catcher who can’t hit a lick. Knowing the owner, they will screw this up, though. The longterm contracts they handed out to young players will merely serve to put money back in Reinsdorf’s pockets.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
It’s not all that “unique.” Last year, they could have had Ozuna or Castellanos and next year, Conforto will be a FA. Springer is better than they are, of course, but there’s at least one good RF option every year as a FA, and more available from trades. My hopes of them signing Springer are fading, but Reinsdorf handed out $18M/yr to both Keuchel and Grandal last year. He is willing to spend, at least a little bit. My hopes are now a mid-tier starter, solid closer, and Rosario or Schwarber.
ChiSoxCity
It is unique because not many clubs have the luxury of cheap young talent giving them financial flexibility. This has happened multiple times throughout the history of this franchise, particularly during the 40 years of J.R. as owner. What’s changed is the signing of Keuchel and Grandal, as you mentioned. These roster moves sent a clear signal to the club and fanbase—commitment. Will these finish what they started? Or will they suddenly shift gears and pretend they’re the Kansas City Royals AAA team? My guess is the latter.
They’ll sign another scrub and go into the season with the same exact (cheap) roster and blow a wild card game. That’s the White Sox (and Chicago in general). Any other major market team like the Sox would get the player they want without hesitation.
Idioms for Idiots
It just seems so weird thinking that this was supposed to be the week of the Winter Meetings.
Hurry up 2021!
Good riddance to 2020.
BKS1110
Springer is a +14 DRS defender on his career in CF and was above-average in that regard each of the last two seasons. He’s top 20 in CF in DRS among all CF over the last five seasons (500 inning minimum) and 25th in UZR and Fangraphs DEF rating. Above-average in all three metrics. So…what the heck is Chicago talking about exactly?
gogosox59
As good as Springer has been, he wouldn’t be in center field for the Sox. They have the 2020 Gold Glove recipient in center right now so they wouldn’t play Springer in CF anyway as they are committed to Robert for years to come..
Priggs89
They’re talking about the fact that he won’t play CF in Chicago because they already have a very young gold glover playing there…
Spare Tire Dixon
I have not really seen it mentioned, but I wonder if the White Sox could turn into players for JT Realmuto. They already have Grandal, but there is a need at the DH spot and the Sox could get creative in rotating Realmuto/Grandal through the DH and catcher spots for longevity’s sake. Especially considering the long-term nature of Realmuto’s inevitable deal, the team should do as much as possible to support a catcher’s health. That DH spot might be helpful.
C Realmuto / Grandal
1B Abreu
2B Madrigal
SS Anderson
3B Moncada
LF Jimenez
CF Robert
RF Engel
DH Grandal / Realmuto
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Highly unlikely. Easier and cheaper to sign Cruz, who’s a better hitter than either Grandal or JTR, and just live with lesser production from C when it’s Collins’ turn. But even without Cruz, it’s a hard pass unless they trade Vaughn. Not saying Vaughn will come in and rake right away (not guaranteed to do it at all), but he seems like one of the most well-rounded hitters in the minors, so odds are decent he’ll be good once he gets some more seasoning and he’ll be very cheap. Plus, if they had the money for JTR, why wouldn’t they have it for Springer, who fills a bigger need?
Idioms for Idiots
@Spare Tire Dixon
I think they’d be better off saving the money and keeping McCann than going after JTR. I can’t see two high priced C’s on the same roster.
EDIT: Or ditto what hyraxwithaflamethrower just posted above.
chitowninwi
Looks like a great time to dumpster dive , too cheap to go after the best available, Sux suck
gr8testsoxfan
Vaughn, Lopez, Collins for A. Meadows and Colin Poche
whitesoxfan1972
David Dahl and Corey Dickerson are two players with a huge upside, I believe Corey is under contract last yr with Miami at 17mil, Miami might be eager to shed that expense, but he’s entering his prime career year in 2021 – I would look into that. David Dahl I caught a lot of his games here in Denver, undoubtedly batting title good. A Fine fielder, he wants to prove he’s healthy and with a contract of 2.75mil the Sox should take a chance – as a fourth outfielder with STAR starting potential.