The Padres are among the clubs with interest in Reds right-hander Sonny Gray, Fansided’s Robert Murray reports, although there’s no indication that the two sides have engaged in meaningful discussions to this point.
Gray’s name has persistently popped up in the rumor mill this winter, and while Cincinnati GM Nick Krall has sought to downplay Gray chatter as a matter of performing due diligence, it’s hard not to place some extra stock in the Gray rumblings amid the backdrop of several cost-cutting moves out of Cincinnati. The Reds surprisingly non-tendered right-hander Archie Bradley just months after acquiring him in a deadline trade, despite the fact that he pitched well for them and was due a raise on a team-friendly $4.1MM salary. They also cut loose their other primary deadline pickup, outfielder Brian Goodwin, and catcher Curt Casali. Goodwin had struggled in Cincinnati, but Casali turned in a solid 2020 season.
Perhaps most surprising was the trade that sent closer Raisel Iglesias to the Angels in exchange for righty Noe Ramirez and minor league infielder Leo Rivas. It was a marginal return, at best, on a quality late-inning reliever whose $9.125MM salary isn’t exactly exorbitant. Following both the Bradley non-tender and the Iglesias trade, Krall has spoken of reallocating those resources. He did so again this week in an appearance on MLB Network’s MLB Now (video link):
“I think we’ve done some things to reallocate our resources within the organization, and we’re just trying to figure out what’s the best thing we can do for our organization moving forward,” said Krall.
Some Reds fans may hope to see the team utilize those savings for a run at retaining Trevor Bauer, but that may not be likely. In that MLB Now spot, Krall discussed “adding pitching depth, whether it’s rotation depth with the loss of Trevor Bauer.” MLB Network’s Jon Heyman added further context today, tweeting that the Reds consider Bauer to be beyond their price range and adding that Bauer “will be pitching elsewhere” in 2021. It obviously takes just one change of heart from ownership to push for a deal to come together, but that’s a rather bleak characterization of where things stand with regard to their chances of retaining the reigning NL Cy Young winner.
Turning back to Gray, the match between the Reds and Padres is a sensible one on paper but perhaps not so much in practice. The Friars thought they were acquiring multiple years of a high-end rotation option when picking up Mike Clevinger prior to the trade deadline, but he’s now sidelined for all of 2021 due to Tommy John surgery.
That leaves a hole at the top of the rotation, but Murray suggests that even Gray’s $10MM salary might be outside San Diego’s comfort zone at this point. Surely, that’s all the more true given that they’d have to trade away considerable young talent to pry Gray away; even if the Reds are seeking to cut costs, it’s hard to imagine them taking a weak return on Gray when the market for starting pitching has generally been a healthy one to this point.
The Padres already owe $86.05MM to the combination of Manny Machado, Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, Drew Pomeranz, Craig Stammen, Pierce Johnson, Matt Strahm and Clevinger. They still owe arbitration raises to Tommy Pham, Zach Davies, Dinelson Lamet, Emilio Pagan and Dan Altavilla.
For a Padres club intent on paring back last year’s $150MM payroll to some extent, taking on $10MM in salary might not work unless other payroll can be jettisoned elsewhere. And as Murray points out, there would probably be questions about reuniting Gray with pitching coach Larry Rothschild, who coached Gray during an unsuccessful tenure in the Bronx.
Loling @ you
Sad time to be a reds fan
Misfit0620
Isn’t it always?
Mlb1971
Since the mid-1970s…….
jediknight
1990 was pretty good.
anthonyd4412
1990
Mlb1971
Did the Pirates win 98 games in 2015….it sure did not feel like it. Maybe it is because they did not go very far in the playoffs. It seems like they have been bad since Willie Stargell played for them…..
Fred McGriff
@DHS79
1990 Pirates, what a magnificent roster.
Mlb1971
Fred – Thanks for helping me remember!
Everything before 2000 has kind of melted together….. time flies so fast it seems like every other day is Sunday.
Rsox
So was 1995. Even though they came up short in the NLCS that was a fun team to watch
tonyinsingapore
1990, still in the only NL wire-to-wire title holder.
Then capped with 1991 being a true “grab your popcorn and sit back” year.
Could go on and on but the Piniella/Dibble clubhouse fight, after a win no less, says it all…
davpass19
We will never ever see the Big Red Machine lead by George Sparky Anderson & that unbelievable line up of quality hitters/defenders at every position! Never a Reds fan, but I miss that team for sure! Pete Rose the Best Ever!
halloffamernobodycares
i was today old when I really realized 1990 was 30 years ago.
libertyfighter
That is a hallmark of Jim Leyland managed teams———they don’t win World Series Championships. He gets out managed on the big stage.
mookiesboy
Nasty Boyz
Michaelchavez22
Think it’s time to trade Votto??
Deleted_User
Full no trade clause which he has stated multiple times he isn’t waiving and no trade value.
bigredsfan41017
They should rework his contract as he isn’t worth 87 million over the next 3 seasons! He been a bust the past 3 years
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That’s not how that works….
wordonthestreet
What team would want him?
Rsox
Unless it’s to Toronto Votto won’t waive his no -trade clause
martyfan
He isn’t waiving it for any team. Toronto ship sailed about (ah-boat) 5 years ago.
Luc 2
Reds may trade Suarez to Nats though
paddyo furnichuh
Maybe something around a trade of Myers & Mejia for Gray?
Obviously just principals involved; modifications would have to made when considering salaries and remaining term of each of those players’
paddyo furnichuh
Contracts*
Deleted_User
No one is interested in Wil Myers. Especially in a trade where they are parting with an asset as valuable as Sonny Gray. Nice job trying to sneak it in there tho.
paddyo furnichuh
While 2020 is only about 37% of a regular season, he did hit well this past season.
I wasn’t trying to sneak anything (that implication is based upon assuming I’m a fan of SDP), but rather just putting a rough idea for principals in a trade. If memory serves, Reds offense has underperformed for the last two seasons and SD is likely interested in more rotation depth.
While the Reds have a new GM, maybe their fans are still leery of losing any deal made (based upon recent history).
Deleted_User
Reds are trading Sonny Gray to cut payroll. How does adding Wil Myers (who is making more than twice as much as Gray is making and also a clubhouse cancer) help them there?
Myers is going to have to sustain that over more than just 60 games to change how the other GM’s view him.
Gwynning
Clubhouse cancer? According to…?
paddyo furnichuh
It helps to read qualifying remarks such as something beyond the first sentence of my post.
Deleted_User
@Gwynning royalsreview.com/2014/12/23/7441077/wil-myers-may-…
Then there’s also him bad-mouthing Andy Green on Carlos Asuaje’s twitch stream.
martyfan
Krall has a new title but has literally been “THE MAN” the past several years. I think he will be even more aggressive in the coming weeks.
RunDMC
@RemovePitcher – That Royals article is pure speculation to why he was traded six years and two teams ago from a beat writer trying hard to provide content to a team fan blog. Even the writer states as much in the conclusion: “It may very well be that Wil Myers has a legitimate attitude problem. But these anecdotes don’t really point to any evidence of this. More likely, Dayton Moore was under a lot of pressure to start winning, and made a gamble [trading Myers to TB] that worked out.”
I don’t know Myers, but this wreaks of a scorned lover – after Myers won RoY in TB – but that also netted KC James Shields and Wade Davis (one elite part of the bullpen 3-headed monster) that helped them to a WS title. If he’s really a clubhouse cancer, there has to be something more than this, because this ain’t it.
brodie-bruce
plus if myers was traded to cin he would see a jump in his offensive numbers. 4 of the 5 teams in the central play in hitter friendly parks. so gray for myers and decent prospect doesn’t sound that far fetched.
Gwynning
Wil was a Top 25 offensive WAR player in the NL, was a solid, integral piece to bringing the Pads back to the playoffs, helped be the onfield coach for Gold Gloving Grish… but sure, let’s misconstrue one post from a six year old fan blog and insert a completely fictitious narrative. Check, please.
Gwynning
If the Reds are moving pieces such as Iglesias and Gray in cost-cutting moves, I highly doubt they take on Wil’s contract just to get them back to the same payroll figure. Seems counter-active to the objective and logjams Cincy’s outfield. Just hard to see it happening without a metric ton of other moving parts/pieces
Deleted_User
@gwynning You left out the part about him bad mouthing Andy Green on Carlos Asuaje’s Twitch stream.
Gwynning
As you should. Wil was upset about a September relay practice and let his feelings be known. It was apparently only a big deal because it interrupted some kids’ Fortnite round 3 years ago. Every player has issues with their manager at one point or another; these 2 very minor blips on the radar that you have presented are far from evidence against a “clubhouse cancer.” Complete fabrication on your part; let it go.
Deleted_User
@Gwynning whatever. You clearly don’t want him to be a clubhouse cancer and won’t believe it no matter how much evidence is placed in front of you. Just like the guys who were calling Luis Urias one last year.
Gwynning
Have you ever stepped foot in that clubhouse? It’s an honest question, I am not against you. If the answer is no like I suspect, then there you go.
Gwynning
I am open to facts and evidence, but again, I have seen none with Wil. I suggest you may want to reconsider your opinion as it seems entirely off-base. Season’s Greetings dude!
Gwynning
Beyond these 2 reaches, have you got any more evidence about Wil being a “clubhouse cancer”? I’d be open to discuss more with you… until then, I’d say it seems like a stretch, at best.
Deleted_User
Yes I have stepped foot in the clubhouse. We both know that no matter what I say, you are just going to come back with “That’s not evidence!” or “That was like 6 years ago!” So how about this: I will provide more evidence when you (or anyone for that matter) provides one shred of evidence of Luis Urias or Hunter Renfroe being clubhouse cancers when they were here.
Gwynning
Why are you changing the subject? I’ve never called anyone (outside of Jack Clark…) a potential clubhouse cancer and that was years ago in confidence to others. You’re very erratic. So, do you or don’t you have more evidence to the discussion at hand (Wil Myers if you forgot) and are you willing to share your tropes here for the masses?
Deleted_User
Because others always used to call Hunter Renfroe and Luis Urias clubhouse cancers when they were here. Then when I asked them for proof they either go into hiding or say something about how they can’t reveal their sources.
UnknownPoster
Why do Padre fans think Myers or Mejia have *any* significant trade value?
Rsox
Myers can play LF/RF/1B. Two of those positions the Reds have expensive contracts at (Votto, Castellanos) and LF Winker is probably better than Myers at this point. Mejia is not going to supplant Barnhart. I could see the Reds asking for Lucchesi and another arm back for Gray but neither of those players.
braves25
@paddyo875
You’re right modifications would definitely have to be made. First removing Myers from the offer and probably even Mejia. Then replacing them with prospects.
Also the only way they would be able to trade Myers is to attack Gore to him as well and het little to nothing back except salary relief.
BovineCrab
Why does MLBTR keep moving this article to the front of the line like it’s something new? Lame clickbait.
paddyo furnichuh
Updating an article without a new time stamp. It challenges one’s reading comprehension and retention. Beyond a wee lil crustacean maybe.
Deleted_User
No one is forcing you to read MLBTR.
Tim_Buck-Two
Lol CLICKBAIT nah what was CLICKBAIT was NASA CLICKBAIT ASTRONAUTS. The earth isn’t flat. Nobody noticed they were to busy arguing over who should have won the trophy. I want the pay out accords for the phoney accounts from the Vegas bets from 2017 World Series. Manfred helped cover this up. Anybody ever seen Back To The Future II? How did Biff get rich? He bet on outcomes cause he had the book. What better way to get rich than to rig a world series? HALLIBURTON its on the wall in left field in Houston. Not the first time they will have been involved in something like this!
Tim_Buck-Two
WE NEED SOME BIG TECH COMPANIES HERE IN THE MIDWEST OTHER WISE YOU MAU AS WELL DESOLVE THE LEAGUE TO THE EAST AND WEST COAST
rememberthecoop
Quit shouting please!
paddyo furnichuh
Remember the pop…indeed
ksoze
They need to adopt the NFL model, the TV deals are negotiated by the NFL, and so is the merchandising. They are split evenly between all teams. Each team gets their own local tickets, concessions, parking, and local advertising.
ctyank7
How small is their local TV deal? I am it pales in comparison to the Cubs and Cardinals.
Yep it is
With those contracts how does Preller have a job. 1 star among all those overpays. Just wow.
Ducky Buckin Fent
@tatsumaki
It’s just gotta suck, man. Cincinnati looked like they were getting close to putting an interesting & pretty competitive squad together.
Now this stuff.
To get basically nothing in return for Iglesias & Bradley is brutal. The Reds have a long & colorful history. As a Yankee fan, I had animosity in my heart towards the Reds before I did for the red sox, man.
Ancient Pistol
It looks as if they’re getting ready to scuttle this ship.
beersy
I wonder if it was a Gray/Rothschild thing or a Gray/New York thing? Many a player has fell to the pressures of New York.
politicsNbaseball
his splits weren’t terrible as a Yankee, just couldn’t pitch in that ballpark
BovineCrab
I think it was a New York thing but not because of the pressure. I think it has to do with Gray’s style of pitching and that insanely short right field porch in Yankee Stadium. I would love to know how many of Gray’s home runs allowed during home games were hit to that right field porch. In almost every stadium in baseball those hits would be outs. In Yankees Stadium they can be grand slams. Some pitchers rely on that part of the field to record a lot of important outs and replacing an out with a home run can really destroy a pitchers stats.
rocky7
Okay, concerning your comment about the “insanely short right field porch….you can bring up his spray chart and find out how many of home runs off him went to right and your info about almost any Home Runs hit there would be outs in another stadium……….are you aware that the Trop RF distance is 315 from home plate, or that Fenway is 302 down the right field line and 310 to the Monster in left…..Yankee Stadium isn’t the only stadium that has some quirky home field advantage….try checking this out by going to Bleacher Report and looking for the 9 home shortest home fields and some of the results might be surprising……and please enough with this myth that Yankee Stadium’s right field is the death to any and all pitchers who pitch there…..Gray simply didn’t work out in NY….not a crime, and probably not indicative of his overall talent….
DoritosLocosTaco
Just because one point in a ballpark is short doesn’t mean the whole side is short. The power ally in right field at yankee stadium is short, despite not having a super short single point. Also, size isn’t everything. Altitude and wind patterns play a prominent role as well. I do think most deep fly balls in Oakland to right field would be home runs in yankee stadium, and that’s all his point was.
paddyo furnichuh
Whereas the right-center alley in Fenway is where many balls get caught, assuming the defender has the range to cover that distance.
UnknownPoster
Measurement down the line vs the yankee field power alley isn’t the same thing. It’s ~314 for a LONG time in NY
MoRivera 1999
BovineCrab
You’re right! Every righthander who pitches in Yankee Stadium just BLOWS UP! NOT! It was Gray. He hated the pressure of the NY media and Rothschild mucked around with his pitch selection. That’s according to Gray himself. The impact of the stadium on him is in your imagination only It’s just a narrative you’re fond of, and it’s wrong..
Old User Name
Gray has said(in so many words) it was Rothschild. Rothschild was trying to change the way Gray pitched. Though I do believe NY had a part in it as well.
JayKay
Gray said it was because they wanted him to throw Sliders more then Curveballs, which he said messed with the latter’s shape. Interestingly, of the pitches he threw in 2018, it was his fastball that was getting slugged and what’s even more peculiar is that remained the case in 2019. Aside from his offerings being less effective, I think it simply came down to Rothschild being a irresponsible buffoon when it came to Sonny Gray. He apparently didn’t try that hard to help him. I think that that, his offspeed preferences, NY pressure, and possibly a lack of support from other personnel all were what ultimately ended Sonny Gray’s time in pinstripes.
Deleted_User
And remember that Reds pitching coach Derek Johnson was Gray’s pitching coach at Vanderbilt.
wordonthestreet
It was Rothschild.
titanic struggle
His performance I’m NY had nothing to do with the environment. The Yankees (Rothschild) wouldn’t let him pitch his game. They called his pitches for him, and when he got shelled they blamed him.
DrDan75
Sonny Gray turned his career around after he got away from Larry Rothschild and the Yankees. Sending him to San Diego might set him back a little bit.
Mlb1971
San Diego is a pitchers park and that is a much bigger help than what any pitch coach would do.
Good in Oakland, good in Cincinnati, bad in NYY, and he will be good if:
“ For a Padres club intent on paring back last year’s $150MM payroll to some extent, taking on $10MM in salary might not work unless other payroll can be jettisoned elsewhere.”
…..Boston still is not taking Myers….lol
If San Diego needs to cut payroll in order to take on Gray then they call the Dodgers…
JoeBrady
Too late. He’d have been a nice additional last year, when his cost for payroll tax reasons would’ve been maybe $3-4M. My guess is that we could’ve gotten Myers, Margot and a good young RP for little more than salary relief.
Mlb1971
Joe – RS developed Margot and traded him for a reason! They did not want or need Myers. It would have had to be an extremely good starter to take on that baggage!
JoeBrady
The reason that they trade Margot was because they had JBJ. That’s no reason to not want to re-acquire him. And one could argue that every team needed a guy with a .959 OPS.
And I’m not arguing that they are good players, as much as they are good for the price tag the RS would’ve been picking up.
UnknownPoster
SD really isn’t the massive pitchers park it was 10 years ago. They moved the fences in massively and the marine layer has way less of an impact game over game. Same with La
DrDan75
The marine layer is a factor in southern California from April through about mid July. After that, the dog days of summer hit and everything dries out for a few months.
BovineCrab
It wasn’t Rothschild. It was the ridiculous dimensions at Yankee Stadium.
Mlb1971
Bovine – completely agree!!! If I were a pitcher you could not pay me enough to pitch in that Stadium for half my games…completely reversed if I was a hitter…might even take a small discount to hit there
BovineCrab
A perfect reverse example was Curtis Granderson. He was a great player but he was a 20 homer a season type of guy until he went to the Yankees. Then he starts hitting 40+ homers every year. His swing was built for that stadium because so many of his hits went over that right field porch. Some pitcher that would normally be recording outs has to be giving up those home runs. Sonny Gray was that guy a lot (for other players) against visiting teams for the Yankees.
its_happening
Grandy leaving Comerica and entering Yankee Stadium was a definite plus. Although he did use his speed to notch a bunch of triples in Detroit.
rocky7
Wow, do either of you 2 guys even know what the dimensions of Yankee Stadium are and have compared them to other stadiums in either the AL or NL? With that comment, I doubt it…..Fenway Pesky Pole RF is 302, Trop is 315….how’s that for a “short porch to attack?….how about the Monster at 310 from the plate….think that might favor the Sox at home who know their field better than opponents?
rocky7
Curtis Granderson changed his swing dramatically once he saw that his power played to pull too right…aiming at Right Field rather than seeing much of anything he put in the air just become long outs in left center and even right center in Yankee Stadium….once he did that his homers went up, average down, conversely his speed game kind of disappeared unless he was on base using it to try and steal a base….did you ever even see him play or are you just commenting on rumor?
Dorothy_Mantooth
In a big season, players hit a total of 5 HRs around Pesky Pole at Fenway. They are more of an excuse me hit that ends up foul in most stadiums. Fenway actually has one of the deepest RF’s in all of baseball and is often in the bottom 5 of all stadiums to give up HRs to right field. The issue with Yankees Stadium is that RF is super short all the way into the power alley. It’s the reason why DJL now hits 25+ HRs per year. I believe DJL averaged the lowest distance on home runs hit last season, and he hit more than a few opposite field ones in the Bronx. Definitely one of the easiest HR parks in all of baseball, especially in RF. Gardy hit around 28? HRs in 2019 for God’s sake!
Pads Fans
In his 11 starts at Yankee Stadium in 2018, Gray gave up only 4 HR that would have been outs in most other stadiums out of 11 total.
The biggest problem for Gray was that he gave up 31 walks in those 11 home starts vs 19 in his 12 road starts. Every time he gave up a hit in Yankee Stadium it seemed like there were 1 or more guys on base. There were 14 bases loaded situations in Yankee Stadium in 11 starts vs just 4 on the road in 12 starts.
Whether it was the stadium or the city, Gray simply did not pitch well in Yankee Stadium. Since he pitched so well on the road we can safely assume it was not Rothschild that was the issue.
leftyr32
I think it had more to do with pitch selection. He’s pitched fine in Cincinnati for two seasons and that park is, at minimum, as hitter friendly as Yankee Stadium. He pretty much scrapped his slider after reuniting with Derek Johnson.
Rangers29
This must be super depressing as a Reds fan. The Big Red Machine has malfunctioned…
BovineCrab
Hey, Rangers29. I wanted to ask you what your screen name(s) is on SB Nation for the Rangers? I go to SB Nation a lot and write stuff myself but it’s on the Talking Chop Braves site. I have never been to the Rangers SB Nation but the Rangers are my favorite AL team and 2nd favorite team overall so i figured I would head over there to read some of your writing. Is it written under the same name (Rangers29)?
Mlb1971
Bovine – Bard is still getting that “extra” $750,000….
BovineCrab
It was $795,000!!! Dang it! I don’t really care because I’m not a Rockies fan. I guess my point was the Rockies aren’t trying to win and their fans should feel insulted. If they wanted to give away $795,000 they should have given it to charity or someone that really needed it. I don’t qualify a major league baseball player who is already going to be a multi-millionaire anyway someone that should be first in line to get that kind of money basically for free. The way I look at it is he would have topped out at $2.2 mill and thus that’s what he earns. The other $795k could have either been spent to make the team better or if they really wanted to give it away it could be given to someone(s) who needed it a whole heck of a lot more than an aging, injury-prone MLB relief pitcher who is already a multi-millionaire.
Rangers29
My screen name is Rangers29 on Lone Star Ball. Sry, im doing stuff rn. I’ll be back later.
ldoggnation
Makes you miss Marge
RunDMC
Her dogs, sure. Her, nah.
Deleted_User
Yeah because Gray worked so well with Larry Rothschild the first time.
cdr9er
Can someone explain the non rendering of Bradley? That just doesn’t make sense to me.
DarkSide830
they were being cheap
cdr9er
Yeah I guess so, I don’t think it will take long for him to get a contract. Boston could use that arm at that price for sure.
stymeedone
He wouldn’t hold still so it would have been blurry.
BovineCrab
Haha. Yeah. It is pretty hard to “render” under those circumstances.
cdr9er
Haha typo on my phone.
rememberthecoop
He is simply not good at hitting a baseball.
rememberthecoop
And yes, they were being cheap DarkSide. Those two things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.
anthonyd4412
Reds. This Cub fan’s 2nd favorite team! Loved the Big Red Machine
rememberthecoop
I’m a Cubs fan and I hate the Reds. That ass Marty B was such a Cubs hater.
ksoze
I’m a Reds fan, and I like the…lol, nope I couldn’t type it. I hate the Cubs, I respect the Cards, I am ambivalent about about the Crew, and I feel for the Rats.
prov356
Goodwin is suddenly available. I wouldn’t mind the Angels giving him a year deal to allow Adell to get some time in AAA. Goodwin did well for us and he would be very affordable for that purpose. Adell is absolutely not ready for the majors.
angels1961
They signed Schebler for that spot
JoeBrady
“It obviously takes just one change of heart from ownership to push for a deal to come together, ”
But that doesn’t work in isolation. You can’t let go of Bradley, Iglesias, and trade Gray, and then decide to sign Bauer. You have to make up your mind where you’re going.
BovineCrab
Yeah, half rebuilds and half build ups never work. It seems like that’s exactly what the Reds are trying to do.
Mlb1971
Joe – completely agree!! They already made up their mind …. they are going to “Davey Jones locker at the bottom of the ocean”…..
….on the bright side Reds fans get to check out some excite new rookies….
Murphy NFLD
Theres an interview with Bauer and grey from about a year ago, maybe on Bauers YouTube channel. Grey said the media was his biggest problem in the Bronx, so big market clubs should stay away
BovineCrab
I think I saw that. Was CC Sabathia one of the interviewers?
Elvisismyhomeboy
The time for a salary floor was 20 years ago. It’s even more needed now.
braves25
Why? The Ray’s just made it to the WS?
The problem with a salary floor is sometimes you HAVE to over pay to reach the floor. Like the NBA for instance has way too many mediocre players setting franchises back because they have to give out these absurd contracts to someone. Not everyone is a game changing talent.
brodie-bruce
or you get teams like ottawa in the nhl that sign just enough players to be above the floor. i really don’t see how this is going to change how a team really spend. teams and you say this for all the major sports the your going to have teams spending money to win and your gonna have teams that do just enough to get a few fans and a check.
99 Captain Judge
Just keep Pickles as far away from the Yankees as possible.
Pads Fans
Padres are NOT intent on paring back last years payroll. Seidler and Fowler both said they would not be spending less than 2020 and their payroll was $155 million this season.
legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl…
With a current payroll of around $129 million and no significant holes other than in the bullpen, depth at starting pitching and a backup catcher, the Padres certainly can afford $10 million for Gray
mrpadre19
Yes,this is true.
But,would be better to pay just a little more for Sugano or about the same for a Free Agent starter than to have to empty the prospect bin some more for a Gray.
We can hardly field a AAA team after all the moves at last years deadline.
Preller the Madman may trade a few more for Gray or someone else, but I have to believe he would rather not.
Pads Fans
A 31 year with no MLB experience vs a 31 yr old with extensive success in MLB? Gray every time.
Won’t take all that much to get Gray. Mejia, Weathers, Lucchesi would be enough. Considering what they accepted for Iglesias, it might not take even that much.
If Preller has a legitimate shot at getting Gray, he needs to do it. No fan really cares if the AAA team wins. In fact, I doubt many even remember how the AAA team does in any given year. We want a ring or at least a great shot at one. Gray would go a long way to getting to that goal now that Clevinger is out for all of 2021 at a minimum.
Gwynning
While I would agree with the Sugano/FA route, just here to remind everyone we still have a “near unanimous” Top 2 farm system. The cupboards are far from empty, but Weathers included makes any deal an overpay.
UnknownPoster
Other than their starting LF also leaving and a legitimate backup plan for Cronenwerth seems needed, sure
Gwynning
Would you feel we cure both of those issues by resigning Profar?
Pads Fans
Pham is starting LF. Profar started the season at 2B and sucked so bad they moved him to LF after Pham broke his hand.
A backup middle infielder is cheap and easy to come by.
Luc 2
Sorry Reds fan. NL central is trash unless Cards make improvements lmao
brodie-bruce
lol that’s funny because it’s true and i don’t see cards “improving” much past wc team at best (way it’s stands our div winner is the same as a wc winner)
davemlaw
You know, Steve Adams, salary shamming the Reds is getting a bit old.
They made a run last year and it didn’t work. Castellanos and Moose look like flops. So what are the Reds supposed to do now that Bauer is gone? Stay stuck in the middle?
I’m not a Reds fan but I was impressed with what they did in 2020. Now, they’re pivoting.
Cut them some slack, they’re no Pirates or Orioles after all.
paddyo furnichuh
How is Adams “shamming” or even shaming the Refs organization? Maybe they just “Preller’d” it for 2020?
Meaning try to increase spending for one season and then give up on that idea. It made sense with the Friars. If the Reds pare back too much back more than Bracdley and not resigning Bauer seems logical. If they part with Suarez and Gray as well without cheaper MLB-ready youngstes, they’re doing a “re-do” on the rebuild.
paddyo furnichuh
Reds*
Deleted_User
Lol try to make fun of someone making a typo only to make one yourself.
rememberthecoop
Actually two. Unless Bracdly is Archie’s real name…
davemlaw
Paddy,
This is what I mean, here’s a reference to the Iglesias trade:
” a marginal return, at best, on a quality late-inning reliever whose $9.125MM salary isn’t exactly exorbitant.”
$9.125M for a closer is a luxury item for bigger market teams. The Reds are not a big market team. But they can still fill that need from within or on the open market for a lower salary.
You know the Reds are not resigning Bauer right? He’s going to cash in and good for him.
The money spent on Castellanos and Moose is sunk, it’s spent. So the Reds have to figure out how to reallocate resources or they’re 2021 is not going to be good. I don’t think they’re giving up, they’re just moving pieces around.
UnknownPoster
No it’s not. The dodgers paid Treinen 10M on a bounce back deal
The Mets gave Bellantes like 14M(?) for 2 years, knowing he was missing year 1 to TJS.
Top closets like Kenley Jansen or Chapman will make near 20M in 2021
9M (and 4M for Bradley) are not exorbitant at all dude
The reds have claimed they’re going for it for 2 years in a row, and blew up a good portion of their farm system to build the 19+20 editions. To then cut two guys 100% due to salary, and trade Iglesias for a lesser reliever and salary relief… they deserve a lot of questions to be thrown their way
davemlaw
The Reds are not the Dodgers or the Mets. The Dodgers peers are the Yankees and that’s it.
The current financial climate given the pandemic is a reality.
Lastly, the NL Central is still a winnable division. Everyone within that division is crying poor; why should the Reds outspend the rest of the division?
Also, you failed to bring up Moose or Castellanos like those contracts don’t matter. Each will make $16M AAV in 2021 and they’re both coming off subpar years. If it’s your money, are you pushing your chips all in or are you reaching for the reset button? Take your time, ponder.
UnknownPoster
My point was a team that wants to win a title immediately (LAD) and a team that was barely going for a wild card(NYM), both spent similar money on a pen arm that Iglesias was making, and Bradley was 1/2 that value. Cin fits in that 2nd category, when considering the Mets we are talking about are Wilpon Mets, not Cohen. Cincy spent at that level, until the owners pulled the pursestrings this offseason. Any team that cuts like they are have gotten flak
You can cry poor, but the reds have been actively adding to the team for 2 years if not more. They are doing a 180, and not even getting value back for who they are dealing. So what’s the long term plan? *That* is the reason why so many feel the Reds are doing a disservice in the manner they are cutting payroll
They are getting the same flack as a team like Clev did when the cut Hand
Cap & Crunch
You really think Kenley Jansen is going to make 20 mill per in 2021? Thats complete insanity
Id bet good coin he doesn’t sniff the 2/15 May just got this year
They deserve (well at least the fans) some remorse not finger pointing.
billysbballz
Here’s a trade idea that could help the Reds and the Yankees!
Yanks trade Voit, Hicks, German and one of Yanks top pitching prospect Albert Abreu for Votto and Castillo. Votto is owed 95 mill through 2024. Hicks and Votto salary is approx 50 mill less then Votto remaining contract so Castillo makes up for that. German and Abreu are thrown in to help Reds get over dealing Castillo.
mick4488
As was previously mentioned, Votto has a no-trade clause and has said he isn’t leaving.
Dbird777
Unfortunately…
titanic struggle
Sad day to be a baseball fan. Selig and the owners, who would never concede that there was a competitive imbalance ruined the game…
JoeBrady
Selig and the owners, who would never concede that there was a competitive imbalance ruined the game…
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The mistake was by the players by not taking a percentage of the revenue. Had they taken the %, settling on floors & ceilings is a mere formality.
Get rid of the softball players
The only reason I can possibly understand the ineptness of the reds gm(krall) is if the reds owner (castellini) told him to sell everything not nailed down and if that is the case I think the reds will be sold at a discount in the next 3 years if not sooner.
Enrico Pallazzo
If the reds are gonna be that cheap they shouldn’t even have a team. Sell the team and move them to to some place more interesting that matters and deserves it. Cincinnati hasn’t mattered since the 1800s.
badco44
Obviously dumping salary! Caught between a rock and a hard place
rememberthecoop
Badco quoting the Stones. Should have said they are running with the pack…
bot
If you are a reds fan and believe the reds are making room to resign Bauer – you are a clueless idiot. That might be the dumbest statement I’ve ever read on this site
bot
Reds, as terrible as they are, are shopping suarez and gray bc those are the best assets. They are gauging returns and most likely will not trade either unless they are blown away
Spare Tire Dixon
I’m a Braves fan and the last thing I want to see is another NL team getting stronger.
BUT, the Padres seem like the team that should be all-in on either signing Bauer or trading for Snell. Adding to an already-solid rotation would make sense for 2021, but might put them over the top in future years when Clevinger is healthy as well.
That said, the Angels’ GM should jump off a cliff if he doesn’t offer whatever is necessary to get Bauer AND Snell this offseason.
Lets Go DBacks
Bauer tweeting to Heyman that he is just making assumptions is legend though. Jon Heyman’s pants are down.
No one honestly expects Bauer to resign regardless.
Nico480
Gray and Castellanos
For
Myers, campusano, luchessi, Baez, lower level prospect.
Deleted_User
Padres probably say no to that one. And probably no one trades for Campusano until we get some kind of clarity on his legal issues.
Gwynning
@Nico- Hard pass but thanks for calling.
yodarob21
Sonny Grey HATES Larry Rothschild the Padres pitching coach. Grey lit him up when he left the Yankees. I am not a fan of Rothschild either. Bring back Balsley!!!
Deleted_User
100% agreed
Gwynning
Bals is working with the younglings, he coached at the alternative site.
Corey Quinter
Some of y’all so called Reds fans crack me up. I for one wouldn’t be too upset if the reds would trade either Sonny or Suarez. Yes I’ll be sad to see them go, but they will be able to bring back a very nice package of prospects each. Now I’d only do it if the prospects were elite. Not a handle fill it B level prospects. Minimum 2 A’s. For years I’ve read y’all complaining (I myself am guilty of also complaining) that the reds wait too long to pull the trigger on trading and get nothing in return and now y’all wanna cry when they just simply listening. Look even if they do take them we already have replacements for them. For Suarez, Moose slides to third, Senzel can move to 2nd and Shogo can slide to center giving Winker the everyday LF spot. As for Sonny, that one will hurt quite a bit more, but really, having Castillo, Mahle, Miley, Lorenzen with Antone rounding out the top five, doesn’t sound too dreadful. It’s unfortunate they obviously lost a lot of money last year and are trying to figure some things out but those are the reds best chips and they’d be foolish not to at least listen.
joegriff
Well it was fun being a Reds fan fir 1/2 a year now back to The Who cares what happens.
Excuse after excuse.
We had just started getting a good team.
Sell to someone who can afford to keep us competitive.
braotis1585
If the Pads get both Gray and Bauer, what a power house that team will be.