DEC. 31, 6:06pm: The Padres have announced Kim’s signing. His deal includes a mutual option for 2025. The option could increase the value to $39MM, Jeeho Yoo of Yonhap News reports. Yoo adds that the Heroes will receive $5.25MM as the posting fee.
5:21pm:Kim’s actually guaranteed $28MM, Jon Heyman of MLB Network tweets. He could earn a maximum of $32MM based on incentives for plate appearances.
DEC. 28: The Padres have reached an agreement to sign free-agent infielder Ha-Seong Kim, reports Dennis Lin of The Athletic (Twitter link). Kim, a client of ISE Baseball, will receive a four-year, $25MM contract according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune. Kim, 25, became available to MLB clubs earlier this month when his KBO team, the Kiwoom Heroes, posted him for bidding.
Kim debuted as a teenager in the KBO, allowing him to push for his team to post him at a much earlier age than most stars in South Korea and Japan. Because of his youth and excellent track record, Kim was among the more desirable free agents on the market this winter, landing seventh on MLBTR’s Top 50 list back in November.
Throughout his career to date, Kim has been an above-average player in Korea, but his game soared to new heights in 2019 even as the KBO altered the composition of its ball in order to cut back on the league’s hitter-friendly environment. Since 2019, Kim has batted .307/.393/.500 with 49 home runs, 62 doubles, three triples and a 56-for-62 showing in stolen base attempts. He’s been 42 percent better than a league-average hitter there over the past two seasons, by measure of wRC+. Back in May, Baseball America’s Kyle Glaser wrote that signing Kim would be akin to inking a Top 100 prospect. ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel and FanGraphs’ Eric Longenhagen have expressed similar sentiments, calling Kim a potential regular at second base, shortstop or third base in MLB.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that San Diego’s plan is to play Kim at second base and move 2020 Rookie of the Year runner-up Jake Cronenworth to left field. Of course, at this point it’s not wise to make any assumptions about just how the Padres’ roster will take shape. General manager A.J. Preller agreed to acquire Blake Snell from the Rays just last night and is simultaneously “deep” into talks to acquire Yu Darvish and perhaps some catching help — either Willson Contreras or Victor Caratini — from the Cubs. Until we know the players headed back to Chicago in that potential swap, it’s hard to gauge exactly how things will look.
At this point, however, it should be expected that Kim will be utilized on a near-everyday basis — be it as the primary second baseman or as an oft-used super-utility player. Kim is an above-average defender at shortstop, per Longenhagen, who cites “expansive” lateral range and a plus-plus throwing arm as the primary factors working in his favor. Generally speaking, most players capable of playing a strong shortstop are well-equipped to provide good defense at either second or third base, so Kim has the potential to impact the Friars on both sides of the ball.
There figures to be an adjustment period at the plate, given the gap between KBO pitching and MLB pitching, but Kim struck out at just a 10.9 percent clip in 2020. Even with inevitable regression as he gets used to better velocity, those bat-to-ball skills should give him a chance to hold his own right out of the gate.
Whether it’s Darvish or someone else, other moves figure to follow now that agreements to bring Kim and Snell to San Diego are in place. Preller has shown in the past that his additions come in rapid succession, and his activity over the past 24 hours seems to suggest that we’re in the midst of another deluge of Padres moves.
Rangers29
Pain.
thebaseballfanatic
As a Jays fan, also pain.
bigdaddyt
Ya this is the problem with the jays connected to everyone. When they start coming off the board and not a single one decent signs with them it brings nothing but pain
Down with OBP
Meh….I think being patient here is fine. Lots of teams in $ trouble so lots of opportunities. Don’t think they’ll strike out completely with free agents.
Marty McRae
The Mariners had this same thing happen to them about 5 years in a row
jorge78
Bargain
Bin!
giantsphan12
As a Giants fan, super painful! In our rebuild, we now have two behemoth’s ahead (way ahead) of us in the NLW.
GoGiants2021
So disappointed he’s not a Giant, and even worse we’ll have to face him for the foreseeable future. A young top 100 prospect ready to give his best years to MLB…..he could have stepped in for when Solano is no longer viable for a very cheap price. I guess they have high hopes for Will Wilson and perhaps Jimmy Glowenke.
jorge78
Pessimism!
paddyo furnichuh
Giantsphan….this one will likely hurt less. The list of KBO hitters that excelled in MLB for more than a few seasons is short.
Remember God?
LLGiants64
Giants are on the cheap. As long as fans (myself included) go to see games because the ball park (what ever they will be calling it in 3 years) is such a great place, the Giants will pretend that they are just a player or two away from the playoffs.
paddyo furnichuh
It’s a beautiful park indeed.
philsphan1979
Why? The guy is NOT proven that he can even hit at the major league level. Let the Padres bury themselves. We all know they’ll come crashing down in 2-3 years just like every other lower tier team. Good for them in sense, because I like to see other teams inch a little closer to the pennant race. Not named NY or LA
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They’re better than the Phillies…
LaFlamaBlanca
2-3 years ? Crashing down? Lol Padres have never been on top lol. They only made postseason because of the expanded playoffs and 60 game pandemic season. Idk if anybody paid attention but they were running on fumes after only 60 GM’s. Lamet was on the IL with bicep problems, Clevinger blew out his elbow and was done, Paddack was batting practice all year, they literally traded away their only consistent healthy starter of 2020 in Zach Davies. He was the only member of their rotation to actually pitch in the playoffs, Clevinger started but only lasted 1 inning (probably had a blown elbow prior to even starting playoffs). Fernando Tatis and social media has brought alot of hype to that team. However hype doesn’t win championships.
Brent97 2
Padres will be very good. They just added two top of the rotation pitchers in snell and darvish added to lamet and paddock plus they managed to keep their super studded minor league pitching prospects. Even if kim doesnt turn out to be the star 2nd baseman they hope they still have runner up rookie of the year cronenworth to play 2nd and move kim to super utility role. As a jays fan i am jealous of the padres rotation darvish paddock snell clevinger lamet ouch.
On a side note the jays again are all talk and no bite. So unless they somehow convince bauer and lemahieu to both join then they are going to finish near the bottom
Padres458
The padres had the 3rd best record
Dorothy_Mantooth
They Padres the 3rd best record in the NL this past year behind LA & ATL so they would have made the playoffs under the old format too. They are a team on the rise and if they can still healthy (namely Lamet & Darvish) they should give the Dodgers a run for their money this year. The gap between the two teams has closed considerably this offseason. It’s great to see a team like San Diego go for it. MLB needs more of this. The Twins should be doing the same thing that San Diego and the White Sox are doing.
SDHotDawg
One thing that worries me is the way the pitching staff was (mis)managed last year. It was only a 60 game “season” with different roster rules, etc., so maybe I’m over-reacting a bit. But, Tingler is essentially a rookie manager, and the odd pitching decisions had Preller and Cameron written all over it. Will it be different in 2021? I hope so, because veterans like Snell and Darvish won’t put up with it, and it’ll show. Just like Richards expressed his frustration with them a couple of times last year.
Tim_Buck-Two
If the 2021 Padres stay healthy they are a team that could put up video game numbers.
padreforlife
Bingo
Marty McRae
you really thought the terrible rangers could attract any player away from a contender? the pain is all your own fault for being delusional in the first place.
better luck next time
Eat em Up
I feel you, I wanted him in Detroit lmao.
thebaseballfanatic
AJ Preller is drunk again.
SCHWING and A Miss
Probably spending too much time with Tony again
skip 2
Happy drunk??
Hosmer for HOF
AJ Preller is the Elon Musk of baseball lolll
SDHotDawg
No he’s not. Elon Musk actually knows what he’s doing.
thebaseballfanatic
Daaamn
jorge78
Faith in
billionaires!
SDHotDawg
Class envy? Jealousy? Most incredibly wealthy people didn’t get that way by being stupid.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Your worship of the rich is revolting.
SDHotDawg
Your ignorant hatred of those who have more success than you is disgusting. I’ll bet you’re a faithful Marxist.
Respect is not worship. That’s your twisted thinking at play.
VegasSDfan
I’m not sure about that anymore
Alexander Jones
I bet SDHotDawg is aware that Lincoln was a faithful Marxist, or did your public skoo edukashin no teech u dat?
Alexander Jones
They can never figure out where to aim their hate at. In one post they’ll blame all the world’s ills on the “rich elites”, and in the next they’ll praise capitalism and the richest of the rich as Gods.
It’s almost like they’re too blinded by their hate to see their own contradictions.
SDHotDawg
Obviously, you didn’t study any history. I pity you for your ignorance.
SDHotDawg
The only hate I see comes from leftists who don’t even know what puppets they are. Fools. The hate is demonstrated daily by their comrades in Antifa and BLM.
Jubilee3333
The Padres with a flurry of moves. Is Yu Darvish next?
robert-5
Looking like it, possibly with a catcher. Id guess Caratini as he’d cost less, more control, is a better receiver, and I believe he was Darvish’s personal catcher in Chicago recently
Marty McRae
@Robert good call, maybe SD is looking to get all three of Darvish, his personal catcher and an everyday C in Contreras too. Nola would be flipped again to the Cubs for sure.
Deleted_User
That… just sounds like a lateral move.
jorge78
Positive
reinforcement!
RedKing22
This is getting ridiculous, San Diego…
towinagain
My head’s spinning, love it woah!
I Beg To Differ
Nice! Move Tatis Jr to 2B and put him at SS.
cards04
Or move Kim to short. Tatis has a canon. Idk what this means for Croneworth
cards04
*Cronenworth
Ry.the.Stunner
If they land Yu, he’s likely expendable and going to the Cubs.
CNichols
Why? Tatis has a rocket arm and graded really well defensively at SS last year. More likely Cronenworth goes to Chicago in some Darvish deal and Kim gets 2B.
I Beg To Differ
Sorry meant to put OF not 2B. Brain fart on my part.
Putting Tatis Jr in the OF with that arm and Grisham in CF would give the Padres a pretty good defensive OF.
tjbarnaba
He improved defensively, but he did not grade well. He below average in almost every metric. He improved on his historically bad rookie year, but wasn’t good at all. He is better suited for 3B.
Pads Fans
Tatis was the best defensive SS in baseball in 2020 and it wasn’t particularly close. baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver…
CNichols
Thats just not accurate at all about him not being any good at defense. He was 7th in the league in UZR and 12th in DRS last year. If you look at his Def rating, which factors into WAR he was the 7th best SS in the league by that metric.
If Tatis “wasn’t good at all” at defense, then there’s guys starting on like 23 other teams who must be downright awful.
Marty McRae
Ridiculous hyperbole on a comment thread, ya hate ta see it
tjbarnaba
No he wasn’t. He had a 0.9 UZR rating, with an overall DEF grade of 3.3, which was 7th in the league. Like I said, historically bad last year, much better this year; but still not a great defensive SS. He showed he can improve, but not a sure fire shortstop like Lindor or JP Crawford.
tjbarnaba
Considering only 17 SS had a positive grade, you aren’t too far off chief.
lowtalker1
No
Deleted_User
Preller has said that they would have to acquire a “Hall of Fame” type shortstop to even have the conversation about moving Tatis off the position.
Pads Fans
Less than a week ago Preller also said Patino was unavailable in trade. Preller has no clue what he is doing.
HalosHeavenJJ
Preller has a clue, he just doesn’t state it publicly.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Every player, even Acuna, Jr. with that magnificent contract, is available for the right offer. Never believe it when a GM says a player is untouchable; it just means that player is expensive.
SDHotDawg
Agreed. Preller is clueless.
And, why all the fuss about a SS from the KBO? It’s foolish to try and compare KBO stats to ML stats.
Mlb1971
KBO is equivalent to our AA, and that means $25 million to an untested ? …I will pass!
I still feel the pain from 6 years of Matsuzaka at $102 million including the posting fee.
2007 – W/L 15-12. ERA 4.40 ok
2008 – W/L 18-3. ERA 2.90. Better than he was, Years 3, 4, 5, and 6 too horrible to mention.
p4dr35
Saying a player is unavailable is just a strategy. No player is unavailable unless there are no trade contracts involved.
Pads Fans
No. And no to OF.
Marty McRae
@I Beg To Differ
Put some respect on Tatis Jr’s name, he’s 100x better defensively than almost everyone out there. He’s never moving from SS for at least a decade maybe two.
Yankee Clipper
I’m confused as to the hate on AJ Preller. Yes, he may* have given up too much for Snell depending on the outcome, which nobody can predict, but really, Tatis Jr. is very good defensively. Torres will play passable SS in a full season and Tatis is much better, in my opinion. And Cronesworth is going to LF.
A lot of fans would love their GM or PoBO to be doing what Preller is doing right now – trying to win by filling positions with higher-level talent, not grabbing recovery projects.
I really wish the Yankees would make A move to improve – like any move.
jhomeslice
@yankee clipper
I totally agree, I don’t get the Preller hating at all. I’m a Sox fan from Chicago, and while the Sox have a good nucleus, it is the Padres that are setting themselves up for a multi year window with a shot at a World Series. The Sox have not spent a single dollar this offseason on anyone for 2022 or beyond. All they have done is get one good pitcher for exactly one year, and a sub par outfielder at best for one year also. The Padres on the other hand are doing exactly what I wish the Sox would do, adding core pieces for multiple years, while the Sox seem likely waste an extraordinary amount of talent on a rebuild that will ultimately be in the “what could have been” category.
If Preller were with the Sox he would be frustrated, as their ownership would not afford him the ability to do what it takes to make a good young team great, with the latitude he is being given with the Padres. Tatis Jr was a present from the White Sox for James Shields, so Preller has the genius of the Sox front office to thank for how good their team is! The Padres payroll will likely be 30M more than the Sox, even though Chicago is the 3rd largest city, and the Bulls are now worth nearly 200 times what Reinsdorf paid for them in the 80’s. I think Reinsdorf may be the cheapest owner who ever lived, seriously. Padres are going to be a fun team to watch the next few years, that is for certain, whether anyone wants to hate on Preller or not.
Gwynning
Love the posts and repeating here what has been said elsewhere: most of the Preller/Tatis/Machado hate is done by Dodger trolls. We have see them often enough on these boards to ascertain this by now. I know I’m getting way ahead of reality here… but cheers to a Chi-Town/Padres Series; that would be a lot of fun to watch!
SDHotDawg
The so-called “Preller hating” goes all the way back to Winter of 2014, his ethics and integrity (suspended twice, fined once more), his micromanaging of on-field decisions, and mostly because of the “rockstar” cult following he developed before he had accomplished a thing. In fact, he’s going into his 7th year, and … ?
sergefunction
Donald T Sterling is the cheapest pro sports owner in all of recorded history, unrecorded history, and future history. Also, the weirdest, most bizarre…he takes every cake and every prize in the bad and cheap categories.
I have stories from his coaches and players. They each have no end to them and they are not duplicative. You nor anyone else has ever heard anything like them. Truly a blight on our humanity landscape.
Now, if limited to baseball, if you claim Jerry Reinsdorf owns the Cheap Crown, Marge Schott’s ghost would like a word with you.
padreforlife
7 years of Preller what homegrown player has he developed?
SDHotDawg
Some will count Tatis, even though he could have signed him one year prior for a LOT LESS money.
Paddack was acquired via trade in A-ball, then had TJ. And we’re still waiting to see if he can adjust. Should he be counted?
In looking at a sampling of Preller’s homegrown players, he has a misguided fascination with LH pitchers: Lauer, Lucchesi, Margevicius, Gore, Morejon, etc. His only RHP of note was Patiño. Does he not understand basic R/L splits? The vast majority of ML players are RH hitters, and they tend to hit LH pitching.
He also has a troubling habit of not allowing players to fully develop in AA ball, the biggest step in the learning curve. And some people think Preller is some sort of “scouting and development guru?” Not by a long shot.
Hudson6
Preller does seem to have a preference for LHP and middle infielders. Of course with LA being the class of the NL and susceptible to LHP perhaps it is not such a bad idea?
SDHotDawg
We have to play other teams, too. And the Dodgers won’t always be susceptible to LHP. To me, it’s just another head-scratcher from Preller.
HalosHeavenJJ
Nice. Very intriguing player. Probably means Croneworth is going to Chicago.
BadBenjamin
Pads stealing the off season
padreforlife
They always do big deal
bigdaddyt
Come on why jays whyyy
rhymo
I would assume money was close with SD. Possibly being a west coast destination and being closer to Korea influenced his final decision?
bluejaysfan
This one hurts. I really thought they had a chance to get him in TO with some help from Ryu.
HALfromVA
Ouch
Firefraudman
Padres trying to buy a championship? (I was told when you sign players it means you’re trying to but a championship lol)
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
What people don’t seem to realize is that it’s not just about signing players but player retention as well. Dodgers may have had a lot of homegrowners, but how many of them could they have kept without that massive payroll?
Firefraudman
You’d be surprised how many owners who could do the same choose not to.
PKCasimir
Well surprise us all. Name the owners. You seem to have psychic powers and can read owners’ minds.
UnknownPoster
Hahahahh here we go with the payroll complaints
Tim_Buck-Two
They are adding pieces that are making there team much better in the near term than they were at the end of the post season, I call that realizing your teams potential and going for it all. In the meantime they can try to draft and develop pitching that will make it for the second wind like the Dodgers have had and the Cubs were suppose to have.
SanDiegoTom
What a time to be alive as a Padres fan. Seems like this ownership is very serious about competing for a championship for once!
bot
I’m coming on board. Good riddance Reds !
Marty McRae
competing for = buying
MetsFan22
I guess he cared more about location than winning.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
This is odd coming from a Mets fan
MetsFan22
I’m just disappointed that we didn’t get him. I get it if he doesn’t care about wining. It’s not my choice. Padres will be good, just not as good.
CNichols
Please stop trolling.
Magnum
Dude, you are funny.
RedKing22
God you’re terrible at trolling
Deleted_User
Just ignore him
VonPurpleHayes
It took me this long to realize MetsFan22 is likely not even a Mets fan. He’s just a parody of one. I’m embarrassed I didn’t get the joke earlier.
Deleted_User
Well the important part is that you get it now.
Marty McRae
Is Metsfan22 the same guy as the Harden, Westbrook MVPs idiot who trolls everyone on hoopsrumors?
Gwynning
@VonHayes- nothing to be embarrassed about, the satire is rich and compelling! Vegas odds that MetsFan22 is actually Jerry Seinfeld writing new stand-up?
MetsFan22
I’m 100% a Mets fan dude.
wright1970
Metsfan22, if you really are a mets fan, please stop embarrassing the rest of us Met fans!! smh
DarkSide830
lol okay then
bot
lolz. Dude you are holding onto a pipe dream in NY! They are the worst team in their division and signing Bauer and Springer doesn’t make them better than Atlanta or Washington. And that’s why your owner ain’t spending yet- he knows that team is so terrible they might as well scrap and rebuild.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
@bot, Agree on Atlanta, disagree on Washington. Nats don’t have much offense, even after adding Bell. If the Mets land Springer or Bauer, they’re better than the Nats; might well be better without them.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
MetsFan22, you are about the only person who thinks the Mets are a better team than the Padres. The Mets could land either Springer or Bauer and I’d still say the Padres were the better team. If the Padres land Darvish, they vault themselves into the short list of WS favorites. Meanwhile, the Mets have made the big, splashy move of signing McCann. Not bad, but not “part of something special,” like you’ve claimed several times.
SalaryCapMyth
@Metsfan22. You can say what you like but so far, the Padres are making moves to get better and have done so more than the Mets. Whatever gap you see in your mind between the Padres and Mets, how can you not see that it’s at least a lot closer than just saying the Mets are the better team.
MetsFan22
I agree it’s a lot closer now. Teams are about even in my eyes. But I’d still give edge to Mets.
its_happening
I do admire your sense of humor.
Magnum
Practicing your stand up routine?
wright1970
Metsfan22, lol,we have nobody but DeGrom,Stroman (overrated) and pray for rain!! We need Bauer and Odorizzi/Sugano and i still wont feel satisfied with that!!
CNichols
The most ironic thing about this comment that implies Kim didn’t care about winning is he’s a SS who signed to a team that already has an all MLB SS under control for 4 more years, meaning that Kim is basically accepting a position change to a less prestigious position in order to play for a winner.
If he didn’t care about winning he could have signed with the Reds or Rangers and played SS, but he chose SD.
SadRedsFan
The Reds aren’t going to pay anyone. They were probably not even bidding — just look at that Raisel Iglesias salary dump trade.
Don’t bring up the Reds because I can tell where this team is going even as a fan.
pinstripes17
You’re a Mets fan tlaking about winning??? Lol! Only thing the Mets will be winning this year is another last place finish.
chopy4
Finally some moves albeit all Padres, glad we finally have some movement!
jdgoat
The Padres are turning into a wagon
tigerdoc616
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Eat em Up
Basically all tigers fans after reading this lmao.
stymeedone
Never heard that the Tigers were involved. I think they should have been, but have no expectations other than cheap fillers this year. Hoping on Rosario, Cron, and Casali, but not expecting anything. Chris I runs the team like a business. Budget remains a percentage of sales. Sales were down. Still, this looks like the first fa off the board that went for less than MLBTR predicted.
davemlaw
Don’t you wish your team was as aggressive as the Padres? I do.
My team’s GM has made some good moves the last 2 years but Zaidi is better known for finding change under the couch pillows than making bold moves. I’m a bit jealous.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I wish the White Sox were this aggressive; problem is our farm system is so top-heavy that there’d be nothing left after making such moves and they’d have the worst farm in all of baseball. The Padres can afford to absorb these losses and still have a strong farm system. Impressive how many top prospects they have.
jhomeslice
@hyrax
Padres are all in. Reinsdorf will never be that kind of owner, sadly. I’m with you, I wish the Sox were this aggressive. Lynn was ok, Eaton was pitiful, just inexcusable with much better free agent options available that would not even have to be Springer. They haven’t allotted one dollar this offseason to 2022, which means their “window of opportunity” may not be much after 2021. Not if they never sign a single decent free agent and get their payroll above 16th-20th.
giantsphan12
@dave: I’m assuming you’re a Giants fan like me. I agree with your assessment. I do think when the big contracts expire after this season, and our core of top prospects come up to the show, then, Zaidi will spend to fill in the gaps and make some impact moves. Might still be 2-3 years away tho……
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Wow. Padres all in.
Jal179
Wow— I bet the Pads offered big money. This hurts as a Jays fan.
Padressince83
Is Kim the new Zobrist? Or are Myers and Paddack on their way to Cubs for Darvish?
Rsox
I think Cronenworth would be the new Zobrist not Kim
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
As a cubs fan. I don’t want Paddock or Myers. Darvish is worth way more than that.
Pads Fans
Pham much more likely on the move.
UnknownPoster
Pham was barely tendered. He may be moved. But he’s getting you a lottery prospect. Not a TOR arm
UnknownPoster
Myers for Darvish? Hahahhahaha
luclusciano
Padres are trying to win this off season, just continuing to build from last season. Good for them and the fans.
Deleted_User
He should provide value on whatever they are paying him but I honestly don’t see the fit. They will need a Tatis replacement at SS eventually but even that won’t be for at least two more years and that will be right when CJ Abrams is making his way to the show.
sdryder278
Hahah what?!
Deleted_User
Tatis is a FA in four years and I could see him getting traded before then so they don’t lose him for nothing.
Rsox
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about a Darvish trade by the end of the day. Padres are going all in it seems.
Toronto fans need not worry, the Blue Jays are still linked to every other player in free agency and the trade market.
And the Rangers still have a good shot at Sugano, especially with the Padres likely out after their recent flurry of moves
CNichols
Thats a really good point, I don’t see how they can really afford Sugano after this. Actually that makes me think they’d have to offload some salary (perhaps Myers) to Chicago in a potential Darvish deal, or Chicago would need to be willing to eat a chunk of money.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I think Sugano will be signing with Boston. The Red Sox have money to spend and have been awful quiet so far this offseason. Expect a major splash from them soon.
Roughed Odor
At least the dominoes are starting to fall! Damn the Padres.
bluejays92
I for one am just glad that the Jays were interested in him lmao 🙂
TheRickestRick
But where does he play?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
They probably move Cronenworth, either to the OF or to the Cubs as part of a Darvish trade.
papanialarry@yahoo,com
Great move by the padres! I’m sad as a red fan, as we need a shortstop. The padres will win over L A in their conference.
bot
Reds need a lot more than a SS. They need new leadership from top down. Until then- they’ll remain the worst franchise in baseball. I’m bailing on them. I’ll be rooting for Padres this year !
clrrogers 2
There are no conferences in baseball.
larkraxm
There are conferences on the mound!
Diggydugler
Atkins must retire!
Le Grande Orangerie
LOL! Among the 99.9% of the world who would choose SoCAl over Canada like Kim did, are 100% of people living in Canada. What a joke the pissbabies are.
DarkSide830
there is absolutly no proof that location had anything to do with this.
Le Grande Orangerie
HA HA! What do you mean ‘proof’? Sworn testimony in a courtroom? DNA evidence? LOL! Ridiculous comment. Tell me the players that have signed to spend 5 years in Canada. List them all. How many are there? None? 1? The longer a player can get in a contract in the US the less likely it is they go to Canada. Especially in SoCAL.
Le Grande Orangerie
Every player with a NTC has Toronto at the top of his no-trade list and dude says there’s no “proof'”. The farce is strong with this one.
Pads Fans
Padres have one of the best SS in baseball and they go sign a SS? They trade a better pitcher for a worse pitcher?? WTF is Preller thinking?
Sideline Redwine
Better pitcher for a worse pitcher? I like your start here, but that made no sense. As a Rays fan, I am stoked to get Patino and Wilcox back for Snell, but track record, ability, and recent experience alone show Snell is the best of that bunch at this point. Maybe you have a way of seeing the future? If so, please help me out with the fourth race at Belmont…
Deleted_User
Patino still has a lot of work to do and now that he is in Tampa I don’t see him ever becoming more than a “twice through the lineup” guy. But if you were to tell me that he’ll have a lower ERA than Snell in 2023 I would agree. Heck, I wouldn’t even fight you over it if you said 2022.
BlackMammoth
Lol, you have no clue what youre talking about homie.
Marty McRae
Wrong, the Padres needed a 2B and they got one.
Deleted_User
@Marty what happened to Jake Cronenworth?
Eat em Up
Kim can play any IF position other than 1B. Snell is one of the best in the business. The best player on the trade market from a talent level/contract standpoint, and it ain’t close. These are two great moves. Your team is much better now than it was. Chill.
SDHotDawg
Why do you assume Preller thinks?
bobtillman
Big deal…Pads get Snell, Darvish and Kim….Red Sox signed Matt Andrise….so THERE!
PhyxiusPads
That’s awesome. Move Kim to 2B, Cronenworth to 1B and trade Hosmer or move Kim to SS, Tatis to OF and trade Pham.
CNichols
The problem with trading Hosmer is that he has negative value and a no trade clause so I really don’t even think its possible.
Deleted_User
I don’t see the NTC being a problem with Hosmer. His trade value will be tho.
CNichols
Ehh you never know about the NTC. There could be undesirable locations with non-competitive teams that could be willing to eat his salary in exchange for prospects, kind of like a bigger Zack Cosart situation. He also could try to leverage it into going to certain teams or ask for a bonus to waive it. If nothing else its an added complication.
The way more pressing issue is that he’s so overpaid per the production he provides so theres probably not even a market for him.
Deleted_User
I mean the Padres weren’t any better when he first signed with them. He only signed because they offered the most $ and he gets paid regardless of whether or not he accepts the trade.
Sideline Redwine
LOL sure. Who exactly wants to trade for Hosmer, who is a solid not spectacular player at a position where plenty of talent resides, and has a ridiculous contract? You might be able to give him away. Might.
Tatis to the OF? Yes, make sure to alienate your best young player.
What is the thought process of people like this???
Marty McRae
No one is moving Tatis from SS ever for any reason, they’d bump Andrelton Simmons to 2B if they could.
Tatis is the best SS in baseball by a million miles, the faster you learn this, the less dumb you will look
lucas0622
Said no one ever
UnknownPoster
“ Tatis is the best SS in baseball by a million miles, the faster you learn this, the less dumb you will look”
*checks leaderboars*
Tatis saved… 1 more run than the 2nd best shortstop. Posted 2 more OAA. He still throws basic throws into the dugout
And HE SUCKED in 2019
Man you’re such a freakin homer. The best in baseball by a million miles!? Holy damn what a stupid statement
Sideline Redwine
Of course they aren’t that is my point.
Sideline Redwine
Marty McRae lol. Smartest guy on the board–just ask his mom! Dude, half yr posts are clown posts, the others just make us scratch our head. Plz continue to insult me, makes me feel better. You missed my point, of course, but hey as long as you get to namecall and beat yr chest, who cares about context? Maybe be quiet and read other posts, *you* may learn something.
Rsox
Padres aren’t trading Hosmer. If anything this is exactly what they envisioned when they signed him.
Deleted_User
They aren’t, but it isn’t their choice
Le Grande Orangerie
All the Blue Jays fans who were crying on the internet that Bowden didn’t like the jays when he predicted Kim would be the only FA to go to Canada, are now crying that Kim isn’t going to Canada.
Sideline Redwine
Where does he play? Surely the great Jake Cronenworth, anointed on this page as a great 2B, will not be traded this early in his HOF career? Tatis is a SS–do you potentially alienate him by moving him to 2B? (I do not see that happening) What of Manny Machado–should he move? Again, not going to happen. Kim started one game at second base seven seasons ago…
Maybe this works out for the Pads, I really have no skin in this game. But everyone on here is acting like this is the difference maker–Korean SS, young, never played in MLB…yes, a good track record there, but will it translate? Does it always translate? Might some fans need a bit of perspective?
Sorry, last point–if I am the Pads, I am concerned about the catcher position. Nola is decent as a hitter and appears to be fine as a utility guy, but a full-time catcher for a team that hopes to contend? Catcher is the most important position on defense, period (aside from pitchers obv), it may behoove SD to get a guy who can play some defense back there and help solidify the rotation.
DodgersNinersNation
I love all these moves. Trying to catch up to my dodgers. Lol depleting their farm system and expanding their payroll. While we sit back and smoke our cigar and enjoy our trophy!!!
hyraxwithaflamethrower
They still have some top talent, even after the Snell and Clevinger trades. It was a very deep farm. And the Dodgers already have a bloated payroll, so lol on that. By all means, enjoy the trophy – they earned it – but don’t think the Padres are laughably far behind, especially if they get Darvish.
UnknownPoster
“And the Dodgers already have a bloated payroll, so lol on that“
2022 guaranteed payroll
Mookie betts
What are you smoking?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Nope, just wrong. Price is on there (though, of course, they’re not picking up his entire salary). Pollock has player options for 22 and 23, which I imagine he picks up. Muncy is on in 22. Kahnle is on for $3.7M in 22 as well. For 2021, they’re already at about $200M of the $210M threshold. I’ll admit that a lot comes off in 2022, but a few of their players (Buehler, Urias, and Bellinger) will be in line for substantial raises. Plus, it’s the Dodgers. Do you really think they’ll ever have a small payroll? They’ll just go and get other players or re-sign the ones they have. That $200M number isn’t going down significantly.
Must be nice to have a lot of money and an owner willing to spend it.
UnknownPoster
Seriously you’re still complaining about poor you are?
Remind me, it was the Dodgers who spent 144M on their 1B, 300M on their 3B, 83M on their RF and failed 1B? That was the dodgers, right?
need_a_no-no_pads
A trophy with an asterisk… everyone knows the Dodgers wouldn’t have won in a full season.
DodgersNinersNation
Wahh. Everyone had the same opportunity. Cry much
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Don’t see how that follows. They were the best team in baseball pretty much start to finish and had to outlast more teams in the playoffs than they would have in a normal season. They have a lot of great players and impressive depth at some positions. They won, simple as that. No asterisk needed.
VonPurpleHayes
@need_a_no-no_pads Let’s be real, the Dodgers have no problems winning full seasons. It’s usually the playoffs where they struggle, and they didn’t this year. They deserve all the credit, and no one is putting an asterisk on 2020. That was a heck of a playoff run.
Magnum
Dust hasn’t settled yet. Kim has to be playing 2nd. Cronenworth will be a super utility guy or traded in the next deal.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’m thinking he has much more value as a trade chip.
Sideline Redwine
Trade him now to maximize his value. In contrast to popular sentiment on this board, Jake is a utility guy at best–he is not a star.
5toolMVP
Go for it SD! If someone placed a futures bet on SD as WS champs before yesterday they should be stoked!! Padres gotta be close to favorites overnight.
This is great to see…wish Arte would WAKE UP and be more aggressive in building the Angels pitching staff.
SalaryCapMyth
Wow. The Blue Jays might be connected to everyone but they’re all going to the Padres.
CalcetinesBlancos
Can’t wait to see if he sinks or swims.
its_happening
Cronenworth’s September must’ve been a concern to the Padres brass. Aside from 2019 he really hasn’t lit it up offensively. Buyer beware.
Can’t blame Kim for choose San Diego over the other teams. Out of all the teams interested in his services, San Diego is the only team hungry to win. The rest are either rebuilding or feel they “might” contend. San Diego is in it to win it, and for a player coming across the pond that means something.
Reuven
Sadly, as a Jays fan, I think you’re bang on. The Jays are still in the “might” contend camp as far as 2021 goes. I think they are about a year behind the Padres on their contention timeline, 2020 results not withstanding. Problem is, 2021-22 offseason will likely be a sellers’ market again, so the smart play is getting in on the buy-now action this offseason – as the Padres are doing wholeheartedly and the Jays seem to be doing only halfheartedly.
its_happening
I am in the minority, but the number one name the Jays should have been targeting and connected to over the last two months is Bauer. Jays need pitching. He’s the guy. Expensive? Yes. But that is the going rate.
Had the Jays signed Bauer, would Kim have been more intrigued with Toronto? Not sure. It could be as simple as the Padres offering an extra year over the Jays.
As much as many Jays fans, including me, wanted Kim, this isn’t a huge loss. The priority is still pitching. The next priority is INF, particularly 3B. Then tackling CF or Catcher. Let’s keep the needs of the Jays in perspective and not treat this Kim acquisition as a big miss for the Blue Jays.
Reuven
I would be with you – the Jays need a pitcher like Bauer, and should be willing to pay what it takes to bring a free agent pitcher like Bauer.
But I’m not with you because I don’t want the Jays to bring in a teammmate like Bauer. This is a guy who, once he decided that he feels like pitching every 4th day, made his club force his teammates to acquiesce to that, even if that means disrupting all other starters’ routines and preparation. That’s a selfish, me-first guy, and that’s not the guy I want fronting my rotation and leading my staff.
So unless Shapiro and Atkins, who know him from Cleveland, feel they know how to harness him to work within the team concept, I’d rather they stay far away from him, however great a pitcher he is.
Le Grande Orangerie
What a joke. Bauer’s not going to Canada. Bauer can get 5 years easy in the US. Has any player ever signed a 5-year contract to go to Canada who could get 5 years in the US? Doubt it. The Jays are not going to get Springer, or Bauer or LeMahieu because all those guys have the option of a long-term contract in the US. Actually, has any player ever signed a 5-year contract to play in Canada at all? I don’t think so. Don’t like to rag on Canada, but the constant whining and complaints from so-called ‘Jays fans’ whenever a player signs somewhere else is a bit much. Going to Canada is something you grit your teeth and bear if you have to, not when you have good options in the US. Especially in San Diego. Every Canadian I know would be in San Diego if they could be.
Stevil
Na, Cronenworth has a professional history full of good plate discipline and contact. One bad month with a low BABIP isn’t likely going to be a deal-breaker. Worth noting, all the top rookie fielders struggled down the stretch last season.
‘Buyer beware’ would apply just as much, or more, to a KBO player with no MLB experience.
its_happening
I can always count on you to come up with something either absurd or patently false.
First, Cronenworth has been an overager at most minor league levels. I will say it, again, and hopefully this time you are paying attention: Aside from 2019, he hasn’t exactly lit it up offensively.
You say plate discipline and contact. How about a big bowl of who cares? He hasn’t torn up any minor league level with the exception of 2019 where they played with the same baseballs as the MLBers.
I stand by what I said which has nothing to do with your argument. And I will note the point about the KBO player. Kim could very well be a bust (not saying he will be).
Stevil
You can always count on me to fact-check your statements and keep it in reality. Nothing I stated was false and anyone actually willing to do a little research would learn the same. The only year Cronenworth struggled, if you could call it that, was 2018. His 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2019 were all solid. Not a power hitter, but what he does offer has value.
You can stand behind what you said all you want, but the reality is that there is more of an established history with Cronenworth than there is with Kim and that’s part of the equation, as is the positional flexibilty. There’s more upside with Kim, nobody’s going to deny that, but there absolutely is risk.
And you’re missing the entire point. It’s not likely that SD is alarmed with Cronenworth. They may simply be willing to take on some risk and see if it gives them an edge and it’s possible they’ll keep Cronenworth and simply thicken their talent pool. If he is traded, it won’t mean they freaked out like you did over his small sample of September and it wouldn’t be because he has a shaky history like you suggested, because that doesn’t exist.
Have a great rest of the day.
Stevil
I didn’t ask how your day was, I wished you a great rest of the day, because your comments to this point haven’t done anything for you.
Feel free to actually look at the entire picture. I’m not trying to pick on you, I am (or was) simply trying to help you recognize that Cronenworth is a pretty solid player. You make it sound like he’s trash and that’s far from the case.
Still wishing you a nice rest of the day, hopefully without any more nastiness in your comments (regardless of who you respond to).
SDHotDawg
@WereAllJustGuests … Guys who finish college are typically “overagers” in the minors. It doesn’t mean a thing except to somebody who’s grasping at anything to try and make a point.
its_happening
Cronenworth’s numbers were not that great with the exception of 2019. Don’t have to grasp at anything here.
its_happening
Did you shed tears before or after your second consecutive comment after your first comment did little to move the needle? Also, did you upvote your comment with both burner accounts? Actually, I do not care about either.
You decided to chime in with a meaningless point, something you tend to do, and it had nothing to do with my original comment. Then you lie about fact checking? Ok there.
Kim isn’t acquired if SD had huge confidence in Cronenworth. I’ll stand by that, and you can cash in your receipt if I am proven wrong. I’ll own it and wear it.
SDHotDawg
Every halfway intelligent baseball fan knows that minor league numbers are meaningless.
SDHotDawg
They have confidence in Cro. Look at the roster and tell me who they had as a backup/utility INF? Nobody. They had to sign someone to fill that hole, and it has nothing to do with their confidence in Cro.
its_happening
Yes. Typically their numbers drop in the MLB. I’ll wait for the results in 2021 to say I was wrong. But don’t count on it.
UnknownPoster
and here I thought he was a future hall of famer. If you listened to Padre fans here you’d think so
Now they don’t want him to start!? WHAT!? Fans were wrong!?
Hudson6
Don’t Dodger fans all go crazy over depth? I have seen many of them on this forum bragging like crazy over the Dodger’s depth. Soooo…is depth only beneficial to them? Shouldn’t the Padres also build depth to compete?
Signing another quality player makes them better. What exactly is the problem with that?
The Padres are losing Profar this off-season. They needed a backup who can play both infield and outfield. Cronenworth. Done. Even as the Padres primary backup he will probably get 450-550 AB.
Reuven
I’ve always been in the (steadily growing) minority of Jays fans who think Shapiro and Atkins have done a mostly excellent jobs – in the moves they’ve made, in the moves they were reportedly on but avoided making, and in the moves they didn’t want to make but were forced to make by ownership such as keeping Donaldson to try to compete an extra year.
This is the first time I’m really disappointed in them. If adding 1-2 years at the end of a contract is what it takes to win a bidding war, I totally get and support being reluctant to do that when that means paying a 36 year old Springer 25M or a 37 year old LeMahieu 20M. But throwing an extra 8M for the age-31/32 year of Kim, for an organization of the Jays’ financial means, should be chicken feed. They should have won this bidding war, and losing could push them into a bigger, and less worthwhile, add on a much older and more expensive contract.
As for San Diego and Preller, kudos for being willing to step up to the plate and do what it takes to make your team better. But part of me is really pissed off at the trade prices they are willing to pay.
This was supposed to be a buyers’ market, where many cheapo owners desperate to shed dollars would be willing to take cents on the dollar to do so. All it required was for the few buyers out there – including the Jays and Padres – to be patient enough to win the game of chicken.
Instead, Preller not only foregoes the buyersè market advantage, but pays a very hefty premium in a price for Snell that many teams wouldnèt match in a normal market – and then follows that up by willing to pay a premium to another cost-cutting team to take the primed-to-crash 35 year old pitcher they’d have loved to dump instead of going for, and insisting on, the much younger and somewhat cheaper Kyle Hendricks.
Both of these moves now set market comparables that make it hard for any other buyer team to get any real talent via trade without overpaying for it. This was an offsaeason where buyers should have been able to back sellers into a corner to acquire elite talent for less than elite return, and Preller blew it for everyone else.
He did his job perfectly – makes his team way better, while at the same time undercutting his direct competitors in the marketplace. But as a fan of one of those direct competitors he undercut, who now will not be able to trade for good controllable talent without tapping into its top 8 or so prospects, I am nonetheless pissed off – and will be directing my karma to the Braves and Dodgers in this year’s NL when typically I’d cheer for an upstart like the Padres LOL.
Diggydugler
We have no way to know how much money, how many years, ect. were offered by the Jays. My belief is that all Jays rumors are overstated as they are always in on everyone but never get anyone. (Ryu being an anomaly) Remember the Darvish posting way back? Rogers is playing us like a fiddle!
Reuven
Kim is one case where we pretty much know. If you look at the information that streamed out, especially in the last 24 hours, with its relatively concrete numbers, they look awfully like agent leaks.
First we hear he’s mulling 5 year offers, which tells teams what the minimum for bidding is. Then yesterday we hear the Jays made an offer, which tells the other serious bidders they need to step up. Overnight we hear Jays and Padres are frontrunners and that he’s flying to North America for a physical – which means the Padres have stepped up to the plate and tells any other team it’s their last chance to join the race. Then this morning we hear Padres are leading the race with an offer in the 7-8M/year range at a term “fewer than 6 years” (quoting Sherman’s report), which pretty much tells the Jays they need to step up with 6 years at 8M, at least, if they want the player.
There’s no self-interest for any team involved to leak this type of information, but all the self-interest in the world for Kim’s agent to do so. That this last report comes not from the Korea-based Daniel Kim, the main source of information on Ha-Seong Kim’s market so far, but from Joel Sherman, an East-Coast based reporter at a news outlet with national reach, plays to this.
So it looks to me like a textbook case of an agent strategically using media leaks to drive a negotiation (and a bidding war) to the finish line. Nothing wrong with that.
What we won’t ever know is if this was a situation where Kim wanted the Padres from the get-go, with the agent using the Jays to drive the price to the point where Kim is getting market value rather than take a “hometown” discount to go to the team he wanted to play for all along.
If you read / listen to guys like Passan and Rosenthal’s coverage of the LeMahieu and Springer markets the clear sense is that this is the situation there too – while Springer and LeMaihieu would both be genuinely willing to join the Jays, Springer really wants to be a Met and LeMahieu really wants to stay a Yankee, and so their agents’ first play is using the Jays offers to get those teams to take the players without insisting on a “hometown” discount. The Ryu situation last year was similar according to media folks in Toronto who have connections across the game, especially Jeff Blair – all things being equal, or close to equal, Ryu’s preference was to stay with the Dodgers, but they were not willing to go more than 3 years, so when the Jays stepped up with a fourth year after they struck out on Gausman and Odorizzi during the winter meetings, Ryu assessed that leaving 20M on the table from his second choice team in favour of his first choice team was not worth it.
stymeedone
It all.sounds good until you see a 4/25 contract. Very unsuccessful ploy by the agent, if that’s what it was. Less money and less years than rumored, or even predicted by MLBTR. Haven’t yet heard if he becomes a FA at the end, which could benefit him. Front offices paying attention will remember. Wouldn’t want to be this agents client.
its_happening
The agent is banking on a big 2nd contract before Kim turns 30. That’s the gameplan. More than likely wouldn’t get that big contract if he signed for 5+ years. This is the gamble.
empirejim
I’m now waiting to hear that they’ve reached agreements with Bauer, Le Mahiue, and Realmutto…. did I forget any?
charlesk
So sad to see Shapiro and Atkins just twisting in the wind while AJ Preller runs circles around them.
OilCanLloyd
Unless the Jays face SD in World Series, this has little effect on them.
Now will see if the Jays will overpay to get what they need.
Reuven
The effect is that Preller set the market for all other teams. At the start of the offseason, there was real hope that the Jays could get what they need without overpaying. Now it’s clear that, even in a buyers’ market where they have more money to spend than most, they still can’t get what they need unless they overpay.
getrealgone2
Still gotta win games.
OilCanLloyd
Ryu told Kim, “don’t come to Toronto. They called me their Ace, then made me the game two starter in playoffs! “
Reuven
LOL.
sandman12
I;m missing the point of this signing. That’s a lot of dough for a guy that doesn’t hit as well as Mel Rojas Jr.
Deleted_User
Just a little reminder that the Padres offered Manny Machado more $ than the White Sox did.
Kapostatuz
Late Christmas for Sadiagans
Kapostatuz
I mean sandiaganites*
Kapostatuz
Or is it sandiagons?
Gwynning
*Whalevaginans
of9376
Padres are going to win the WS. Their Ownership was genius in that they pounced on significant players while other teams are pinching pennies because of revenue losses. Great time to be a Padres fan.
Marty McRae
Real Marlins 97/03 energy with the Padres right now, very true.
baji kimran
The Blue Jays talk about the players they want to acquire. The Padres actually go out and get them.
Kapostatuz
Lol
sandman12
Color me baffled. Kim hit exactly like Preston Tucker in the KBO. Preston couldn’t hit a lick in the majors. Why in the hell would Kim fare any better?
Marty McRae
Why do you think a players age means nothing?
Stop looking 100% on stats and learn to get a feel for the game and its intricacies because right now you are clueless.
UnknownPoster
“Stop ruining my buzz!”
That’s your argument. How many KBO hitters come over and exceed expectations? I honestly can’t think of a single one
Jordan 5
What great chemistry this team will be. Only a matter of time before machados arrogance rubs players the wrong way.
Marty McRae
Like he did with his BFF Hosmer and Tatis last year?
He’s a team player and a superstar and he knows fans hate him and uses it to his advantage. W for Machado, L for you.
nutznboltz
I really don’t understand all the fans that want to move Tatis off of short stop. I pretty much watch every padre game every year. The guy is a great athlete with a rocket for an arm. I would have to say that 90% of his errors as a rookie were throwing. These can be easily corrected and pretty much were last year. The guy is a human highlight film at the position and people still want him off of short stop. It makes no sense to me.Machado agreed to play third base so Tatis could stay at short stop because in Macado’s words he’s an animal at shortstop.
Gwynning
@Nutz- Makes me think they’re not actual Pads fans. We have our fair share of Dodger trolls here and on every other known sports app… dunno for sure, but i do know El Niño is entrenched at SS for years to come (barring a megasonic and extremely unlikely trade for Lindor, Story, etc.)
Deleted_User
Tatis a Yankee in 4 years
nutznboltz
Keep dreaming.
nutznboltz
Gwynning, you are probably right about Dudger fans. Almost all my friend are Dudger fans. I can’t see them trading for a ss.
larkraxm
I see lots of people trying to fill out the lineup card for Padres. That is not the GMs job. Filling the roster with talent is GMs job, filling out line up card is the manager’s job. Good work Padres. The way to win is to have a roster with good players on it!
nutznboltz
I still don’t understand why people want Tatis to move positions. I pretty much watch every Padre game every year and the guy is a great athlete. He has a cannon for an arm. He’s a human highlight film at shortstop. I would say that 90% of his errors as a rookie were throwing errors. Those are easy to fix and he pretty much did last year. When Machado signed he agreed to play third base so that Tatís could stay at shortstop.In Machado’s words Tatis is an animal at short stop.
Eat em Up
Wow, first Snell, then Kim. Padres just got a whole lot better.
oldleftylong
AJ Preller making Theo look like little bro.
Reuven
One thing about the Padres a lot of people miss, and I would not have known it if not for Bob McCown, the former Toronto sportscaster. He was always well attuned to the business side of baseball, with very good sources on the financial side of the game. And he said on his former radio show three or four years ago that once the Padres feel they are ready to compete, they will be able to spend like a big market team because they have one the game’s most lucrative TV deals. We’re seeing that play out for the second offseason in a row.
DTDATL
At least the Padres know that it’s ok to send a little money. Other than them, Atl, KC, and NYM, everyone else has been a snooze fest.
DTDATL
*spend*
Dorothy_Mantooth
If the Padres add Darvish on top of Snell & Kim, they could very well be favorites to win the NL West over LA. This is the proverbial “push all your chips into the center of the table” move by Preller. His tenure as SD GM and perhaps his entire career will be defined by the success of the Padres this year. The fact that they are going for Darvish too tells me they are very worried about Lamet’s health. Snell, Davies & Darvish is a nasty Top 3 and if they are able to get anything out of Lamet & keep Gore, the Padres are instant WS contenders! I’d love to see them upset LA and win it all this year.
Reuven
I’d qualify this – defined not by SD’s success this year alone, but by their success over the next 2-3 years. Most of their core guys are controlled into 2023 – Pham and Davies are the only notable FAs in 2021-22 (Stammen and Johnson have cheap 2022 options), 22-23 will see Clevinger hit free agency and Myers see a 20M option year, but their system should be able to absorb that loss. 23-24 is the offseason where they’ll have plenty of players hit the market (Darvish, Snell, Lamet, Myers if option picked up).
Cap & Crunch
Prellers legacy isnt going to be defined in 10 months whatsoever. Little Too much hyperbole in this one for proper digestion – They are set up great for the short, medium, and long term and Preller has a lot to do with that
They will probably be a lot better in 22 than 21 if I had to take a guess – As a Dodger fan I love the challenge
blueblood1217
Good to see SD add these guys. The Dodgers need some competition in the NL West. LA will still be the best in the division regardless
bobsugar84
Cronenworth going to the bench or Chicago, he ain’t going to left. That’s Tommy Pham country! Unless Pham gets hurt again, which he probably will. There’s also the possible DH so…
bradthebluefish
Padres getting everybody
Marcus Graham
Its ok. This frees up the Jays for Garret Richards, Tyler Chatwood and Matt Joyce, their usual garbage signings.
Gwynning
Richards is a get, it’s ridiculous that we aren’t retaining him but my last name isn’t Preller or Seidler.
SDHotDawg
Richards wouldn’t go back to SD. He was clearly unhappy with the way he was used and abused by Tingler/Preller. Had they used him (and the rest of the staff) properly, it’s entirely possible we could have played in the NLCS.
Billy Baroo
Tingler managed to win 63% of the games last year and beat the Cards, but he had half a starting staff against the NL’s best team and you think he was the problem?
Without Clevinger and Lamet we were not beating the Dodgers.
This sounds like Rays fans bemoaning Cash’s decision to pull Snell. The way he managed led them to 40 wins, taking the AL East by 7 games, and pushing LA to 6 games in the World Series. They did it by NEVER letting the starters go deep. Suddenly, in the most important game of the season, he was supposed to change all that?
mark hamm
Agree, Padres were never going to beat the Dodgers without Lamet, Clevinger.
Disagree on Snell, I think he had thrown maybe 70 pitches. Pitchers beat hitters in the playoffs. Snell was on a roll and Cash used data to make his call. How does data measure a pitchers heart. Hmm. Bob Gibson threw almost 200 pitches a game. Trust me, Snell had the Dodgers number and a boat load of pitches left in the tank. How do you take out a Cy Young winner with 70 pitches. Answer, you don’t
SDHotDawg
You think using 10 pitchers per game is a good strategy? You think leaving a proven SP like Richards on the bench when you desperately need a starter was a good strategy? You think starting Paddack in the playoffs was a good strategy after he’d been getting lit up most of the season was a good strategy?
Yes, the loss of Clevinger and Lamet was huge, but even hardcore homer Prellerists were scratching their heads about the pitching decisions. And it started in early August, BEFORE Clev and Lamet went down.
Le Grande Orangerie
lol! All the ‘Lifelong* (*since 2015) Blue Jay fans’ coming for their annual moan and groan. The idiocy is strong with this one.
bumpy93
the San Diego Padres are the next evil empire like this in New York Yankees LOL but in all seriousness San Diego is doing it this winter man they’re looking good and I know you don’t want a world series title in December but they’re not off to a bad start
mark hamm
Take on Padres. Blake Snell was a steal. Patino is the only player there that is even near MLB. And Patino IMO is nothing more than a reliever, possibly a very good closer though. He’s not a starting pitcher, you can tell he’s a converted infielder that thinks he can throw fast balls and get outs, doesn’t matter how fast you can throw the ball, MLB hitters will also catch up, they set on fastballs. All others are wanna be’s, GREAT trade. Snell pitched VERY WELL against the Dodgers and last time I checked, that’s who the Padres have to beat and measure themselves by.
Don’t give away the farm for Darvish, he’s 34 yrs old, that’s not this team
Padres are loaded. I believe the Padres could have beaten Dodgers last year if Lemet and Clevinger were available. Now, we stand an awesome chance at beating the Dodgers, who else can. The Pads can play.
SDHotDawg
Preller falls in love with good fastballs. But he doesn’t know jack about pitching.
mark hamm
PADRES: Preller’s not talking about MacKenzie Gore. Something is up. Gore had every chance in the world to pitch last year and he just sat. Hell they used Weathers. I’d be interested to know their real take on Gore, it just smells. If he’s really the #3 prospect in baseball why don’t they play him. Dodgers pitched May in crucial situations and was rated well below Gore. Hmmm.
SDHotDawg
Interesting take on Gore. Especially after bringing up Patiño. Then, for some stupid reason, he also brought up Weathers to pitch 1.1 innings. And left an experienced, proven Luchessi down when we were desperate for starters. But hey, Preller’s a genius.
Deleted_User
What’s up with Gore is that he’s simply not ready. Neither was Patiño. Frankly, calling him at all was a huge mistake.
Rangers29
Now I’m mad that Texas couldn’t do that. SMH…
mlb1225
It might not have been about money. The Padres clearly are in a much better place than many teams and are even making the Dodgers’ seat warm. Rangers aren’t really in the same spot.
Rangers29
But my point is that Texas could’ve raised the Padres a TON to the contract they gave him. So much leeway there. And money talks.
I think a selling point could’ve been about just how close HSK is to the age of the rest of the Rangers’ core. Solak, Willie, Gallo, Jung, Huff, IKF, Taveras, Trevino, Lowe, and Dahl are all within 3-4 years of Kim’s age. I think he could’ve been sold to Texas is my point.
Diggydugler
Atkins gotta go! 4 years 25! No risk, DFA fisher and guarantee him major leagues. dumb.
DarkSide830
that’s all he could get? well, at that price it was a good idea for him to do 4 instead of 5. 2nd contract he can cash in.
Rangers29
Yep, he can get a 7 year contract after this one. Good choice by him since he went for that little.
Reuven
To cash in the way you’re suggesting, he’d have to outplay Machado to become the everyday 3rd, or outplay Tatis to become the everyday Shortstop, or outplay Cronenworth to become the everyday 2B. No scouting evaluation available publicly suggested he’s that good. And if all you are for the 4 years of this contract is a super utility infielder / DH, well, no MLB team seems to be interested in shelling out 7 years at a better AAV than is current deal for a 29 year-old reincarnation of Ben Zobrist.
SDHotDawg
That’s assuming he plays at a level anywhere near Ben Zobrist. I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Reuven
So he took a year less than other teams were reportedly offering, at a lower AAV than other teams were reportedly offering, to sign with a team that already has two 2020 MVP runners up and a 2020 Rookie of the Year runner up at the positions he can play? Either he’s a childhood Padres fan who didn’t really want to play for any other team and told Preller that right off the bat, or he should fire his agent (and probably sue the agent for negligence).
If he’s a Boras client he’s at least $15M richer today.
infractor
The Pades need to frig right off.
Diggydugler
How is this on the Padres? No one else likely offered him more money or years. Well the Jays did but they wouldnt give him a no minors clause so….Atkins is dumb.
5toolMVP
Damn Padres loaded up. If the NL has a DH in 2021+, Kim is a solid bat and glove to give some regulars rest. 4/$25 should be a steal!
VegasSDfan
My question, how many games has Cronenworth played in LF?
Isn’t that a way to ruin a 2nd year player?
Move him around after a really good rookie season.
nutznboltz
Cronenworth had only played something like one game at first base before he filled in for Hosmer. He was fantastic there. He hadn’t played second base much at all before playing there last year and was fantastic. He is also a really good pitcher. In short, he is a great athlete that can play anywhere and be successful.
nutznboltz
Cronenworth had only played like one game at first base before taking over for Hosmer last year. He was fantastic there. He hadn’t played a whole lot of games at second base before he became the starter last year and was really really good there. He’s also a really good pitcher. In short, Cronenworth is a great athlete that can be successful at any position he plays.
SDHotDawg
He’s “a really good pitcher?” Based on a total of 7.1 minor league innings in 7 games, none in in high leverage situations? I’m a big fan of Cro, but let’s be realistic.
nutznboltz
Just going by what I’ve heard on this one. Just trying to make a point that he is a really good athlete and can play many positions. Sheesh, no wonder so many people get frustrated on here. Some people are so negative and just look for minor things to argue about. Must be a very unhappy person.
UnknownPoster
“ Move him around after a really good rookie season.”
500 OPS for half of it. The hyperbole around Cronenwerth from Padre fans is hilarious
Longtimecoming
If you can’t be hyped justifiably for the ROY runner up then who should you be hyped for? Come on man.
SDHotDawg
He slumped over the last 11 games of the season, and still finished with an .831 OPS. During this “slump” he was still hitting the ball; his K-rate and BB/K ratio remained pretty consistent. Cro is a very good player, and I suspect he will remain productive.
marcoL
He’s 25. For the international signing from the another league, the player usually wants a shorter contract as the team wants longer. If Kim is successful, he’ll be a FA at 29 with 4 years of MLB experience. However there’s always a risk for foreign players jumping right in.
nutznboltz
Some people on here will never give the Padres or Preller any credit. Anytime they make a trade or sign someone the same people on here will punch holes in it. I remember when they traded for Mejia all I heard was how overrated he was even though he was the #1 rated catcher in the entire minor leagues. Now that we traded him, people are saying we gave up on him too early. Unbelievable, anyone that has watched him can see that he was an undisciplined hitter and pretty bad catcher. He might become good but they have three really good catchers that made him expendable.
SDHotDawg
Get real. We didn’t have a need for Mejia when he was acquired, but Preller falls in love with prospects even more than some of our less knowledgeable and unrealistic fans. The fact is, Mejia is STILL just a prospect, and we still don’t need him.
nutznboltz
Who are you replying to?
nutznboltz
We didn’t have a need for Mejia? Are you kidding? Is that because we had the great Austin Hedges? LOL
SDHotDawg
Now, you love Mejia? After criticizing others for being schizophrenic?
No, we didn’t need Mejia. Check the roster at the time of the trade.
nutznboltz
I highly suggest that you learn how to read.
nutznboltz
I still see the Pads behind the Dudgers. They have better starting pitching. All their starters are very young except Kershaw. Their bench is much better than the Padres at this point too. Dudgers aren’t going anywhere. However, the Padres have really closed the gap;that’s for sure.
Deleted_User
Obviously the Padres are behind the Dodgers.
Longtimecoming
I think technically they are tied: 0-0. Don’t criticize Pads fans for getting ahead of themselves before the games are played by getting ahead of yourself before the games are played!
Ryan W
The unseong hero of the last couple days
Moneyballer
This could very well be 28 mil down the drain. Teams need to proceed with caution when signing KBO stat blasters! It’s false advertising. Remember Byong Ho Park? Korean Babe Ruth? That certainly didn’t work out. You have to wonder why career ml minor league guys or washed out major leaguers go over there and suddenly hit 50+ homeruns and make a name for themselves!? It’s cuz the pitching is sub-standard and it doesn’t matter what ball you use, an 87 mph meatball down the middle will be deposited into the outfield stands! I wish these contract came with some level of performance guarantee so that teams don’t keep wasting money on the bloated stats of a far inferior league.
thebaseballfanatic
Kim is one of the youngest and most talented Korean players to be posted. He’s less of a risk than Park and similar others were.
Moneyballer
Keep being 14.
SDHotDawg
History is not on Kim’s side, and he knows it. He insisted on a “no minor leagues” clause in his contract.
The KBO is well below ML baseball. In fact, it’s a step below NPB (Japanese) baseball.
IjustloveBaseball
Not saying what you’re wrote doesn’t have some merit, but there’s more to these transitions.
Take Park for example — he received 244 big league PA’s — surely not enough to warrant him an absolute failure. His AAA numbers we not necessarily great either, but even then, his sample size was not large.
I think for a lot of these players, if they struggle, they also have the opportunity to simply return to their respective leagues rather than stick around.
But there are also some recent successes. Jung Ho Kang was an excellent MLB player before an injury and off-field issues squashed his career.
Hyun Soo Kim, another player, handled big-league pitching just fine during his rookie year, however, Showalter refused to play him every day, even when he was producing. That lack of confidence in Kim continued, and I’d say, was a key reason his numbers fell during his follow up campaign.
And touching on your other point — there are plenty of players that make the move from the states and end up failing.
Moneyballer
There’s a whole lot of things wrong with that but I need to point out the obvious….”there are plenty of players who make the move FROM the states and end up failing?!” Are you saying players going to the KBO and failing? Cuz all I have to say to that is, yeah no kidding cuz those aren’t good players! KBO is a last-ditch career extender for guys who can’t sign on with a major league club. As far as Korean players hitting it big in MLB, very very few and far between. The issue is these guys sign major league deals right off the bat and are called upon to produce quickly. They have very little chance to season up in the minors and adjust to the rather significant speed change in the game. So that’s why even the most hearlded prospects coming from there have to be viewed with some level of skepticism. If Jung Ho Kang is the defintion of a success (1 decent year) then that is not a good track record. I think the posting system in that league in particular needs to be re-examined because as I see it, it has been just a pure money dumpster for teams buying false hope.
IjustloveBaseball
100% — nowhere did I say there isn’t cause for skepticism — of course there is, as with any “prospect”.
Kang had two very good years, not just one, btw.
Additionally, very few players to shift from the KBO have been hitters, in fact it’s just a handful, and of that handful, Park was probably the only legitimate “bust”.
Drawing a conclusion form so little precedent is misleading.
Rsox
If Kang could have figured out how to call an Uber he might still be playing in the MLB right now. He was a solid hitter when he actually played
ABCD
I agree somewhat. Kim is probably not going to hit well in 2021. The only guys from the KBO who hit were Kang and Thames. They were head and shoulders above everyone in Korea offensively.
Kim will get the chance to improve over four years., I think his real value will be defensively. So, if he hits like an average SS, that would be good for the Padres.
SDHotDawg
Thames was a big league player BEFORE he went to the KBO the first time.
ABCD
True, but he was a better hitter when he came back.
SDHotDawg
He was a “better hitter” because he learned how to hit off-speed pitches. ML pitchers adjusted to him, and he had trouble adjusting to them. His K-rate was through the roof. In the KBO all he saw was mediocre fastballs, and off-speed pitches.
Moneyballer
Good thoughts. Average MLB shortstop? That might be asking a lot especially on a team trying to compete with the likes of the Dodgers. I guess they can be somewhat patient but if he’s in there everyday and isn’t producing at the plate enough, it won’t take long for them to have the sincere desire to upgrade his spot. It just how clubs access themselves each offseason when options to go a different way are staring them in the face.
ABCD
I think he’ll be on a time share with Croenworth and their LF, if everyone is healthy. So, not everyday, but significant ABs. Kind of like Javy Baez until the Cubs thought he was ready to play every day.
lowtalker1
Waiting for the dfa
SDHotDawg
Preller won’t admit he was wrong. Kim will be in the lineup every day, even if he’s hitting .096 in June.
kdevry
Dipoto logged into 23nMe today n found out Preller is his 3rd cousin
LLGiants64
Padres are going through this winter buying at least one of every thing.
kdevry
Gah! My ex-wife
Dorothy_Mantooth
The Padres are definitely taking a risk by signing a KBO player to a 4 year, $28M+ contract but if this kid performs at 75% of his KBO offensive output in MLB, the Padres could be getting a star player for $7-$8M per year. One would assume there’s going to be an adjustment period but after 6-8 weeks of games (in addition to spring training time), he should have his timing down and start driving the ball consistently. SD is a great fit for him too as he’ll have a ton of protection in the lineup no matter where he hits. I really hope this kid becomes a star. It will be great for the KBO and for MLB as well as it will legitimize the KBO as a true pipeline for MLB talent. The KBO has sent some quality players back to MLB recently but this kid could be the first true, homegrown star offensive player to come out of Korea and star in Major League Baseball as well. Good luck, Mr. Kim!
CNichols
Doesn’t this require a corresponding move? I think after the Darvish trade the Padres already had a full 40 man.
I’m assuming they’ll DFA a pitcher like Bednar, but maybe there’s a trade to be had in order to make room.
nutznboltz
Greg Allen was the guy.
greatd
You’d never know because the Pirates were an example of KBO players not living up to their potentials.
Shrutefarm
Before we get too excited here, Aaron Altherr, yes that Aaron Altherr hit 31 HRs in the same league as this guy.
SDHotDawg
Don’t forget Mel Rojas! He was a Pirates 3rd round pick who never cracked the ML roster. Last year in the KBO, he hit 47HRs with a slash of .349/.417/.680. That’s a 1.097 OPS.
Think it’s a fluke? Nope. In 4 full KBO seasons, his slash is .321/.388/.594 with 132HRs. He’s only 30 years old.
Shrutefarm
Good call. I hope for SD sake he does well, but it seems a lot of prognosticators have him already penciled in as an All Star.
SDHotDawg
Yeah. Especially a lot of uber-homers and Preller disciples. Sometimes it can be embarrassing to be a Padres fan.