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Yu Darvish Generating Trade Interest

By Steve Adams | December 22, 2020 at 10:08am CDT

While Kris Bryant has been the focal point of most Cubs trade speculation this winter, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that right-hander Yu Darvish’s name “seems out there in trade talks,” though he cautions that it could be little more than a matter of due diligence as the Cubs keep an open mind. Heyman adds that he spoke to a pair of executives with two other clubs, neither of whom expects a trade to ultimately come together.

All of that said, it’s worth breaking down the Darvish scenario a bit more extensively. First and foremost, it’s not surprising to see Darvish or any other high-priced Cubs player pop up on the rumor circuit. Changes to the team’s core looked inevitable heading into the current offseason, given the dwindling control remaining for so many key players. The Cubs already non-tendered Kyle Schwarber, and ESPN’s Buster Olney reported in mid-November that the Cubs were at least open to talks on “almost” any veteran player on their club. Even prior to that, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes laid out the possibility of a Darvish trade in his Offseason Outlook for the Cubs.

Cubs owner Tom Ricketts has publicly lamented his lack of available resources, even prior to the Covid-19 pandemic and the associated revenue losses. While few fans sympathize much with Ricketts’ efforts to explain the plight of the misunderstood MLB owner, his repeated comments are still notable and have been reflected in the team’s actions — or lack thereof. The Cubs’ lone major signing dating back to the 2018-19 offseason has been an in-season deal for Craig Kimbrel, which only came to pass after Chicago unexpectedly was spared some of its commitment to Ben Zobrist after the infielder/outfielder left the club for personal reasons. Beyond that, the Cubs’ combined spending in the 2018-19 and 2019-20 offseasons totaled just $14.25MM.

Given that context and the fact that Darvish is owed $62MM over the final three seasons of his contract, it’s only natural that the team would at least entertain offers on the righty. However, while the Darvish deal looked like a regrettable, potential albatross contract after an injury-ruined 2018 season, that’s no longer the case — and the asking price in any trade talks would surely reflect the right-hander’s turnaround.

Since that dismal first year of the contract, Darvish has not only bounced back but pitched at the most effective levels of his MLB career. Over his past 32 starts, Darvish has tallied 199 2/3 innings of 2.84 ERA/3.04 FIP ball with averages of 11.5 strikeouts and 2.4 walks per nine frames. He was dominant in 2020, posting a career-best 2.01 ERA with a 93-to-14 K/BB ratio in 76 innings en route to a second-place finish in NL Cy Young voting. Darvish also has a 12-team no-trade clause, which could throw a wrench into various potential destinations.

A trade of Darvish would serve as not only a means of shedding payroll at a time when ownership has clearly been looking to curb spending, but also as a means of adding controllable just as the team’s World Series core is on the cusp of disbanding due to free agency. It’s easy to imagine any package for Darvish beginning with an MLB-ready starter who is controlled for five-plus seasons, with multiple quality prospects and/or young big leaguers then being added to the equation. Removing the $23MM owed to Darvish in 2021 from the payroll could also free up some resources to address other needs via free agency or trade.

Viewed through that lens, a Darvish trade seems practical, if somewhat painful for a club that has been a regular presence at or near the top of the NL Central over the past half decade. On the other hand, that track record of winning and a still-talented core underline the argument against trading Darvish away.

The Cubs may have been bounced from the postseason in surprising fashion by an upstart Marlins club in 2020, but this team still finished 34-26 and won the National League Central. Schwarber’s non-tender aside, the majority of that division-winning core is intact, and rebounds for some combination of Cubs stars who struggled — Bryant, Javier Baez, Anthony Rizzo — should be expected.

Trading Darvish unequivocally weakens a roster that still looks capable of contending in a division that no team seems to want to seize. The Pirates are rebuilding. The Cardinals are paring back payroll and mulling whether they can retain icons Yadier Molina and Adam Wainwright. The Reds have cut costs considerably in the bullpen and are at least listening to offers on their top starters. The Brewers aren’t expected to spend aggressively.

Some degree of turnover and change on the Chicago roster still seems quite plausible, but it’s also possible that a continued lack of aggression in St. Louis, Cincinnati and Milwaukee could motivate the Cubs to keep the bulk of their core intact, recognizing that the NL Central appears to be largely up for grabs. The Cubs currently project to carry a payroll of about $157MM, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez, with only about $164MM of luxury-tax considerations on the books at the moment.

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  1. DocBB

    5 years ago

    Sink or Swim with Darvish. I’d rather target Sonny Gray over Darvish who is half as expensive and both have had comparable career innings and somewhat career WARs (25 vs 20). Gray is also 3 years younger.

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    • dobsonel

      5 years ago

      Gray will cost a lot more prospects.

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      • DocBB

        5 years ago

        Maybe but not much as Darvish is currently considered the better pitcher coming off a career 2020.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          5 years ago

          Trade proposal:. Cubbies GIVE Darvish to the Red Sox IF they also take back Kimbrel. As bad as Kimbrel has been recently, I seriously consider it from both perspectives. To make it kosher. Boston would have to give back low level players.

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        • hende3165

          5 years ago

          Darvish also has a much larger salary which is why he will cost more

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        • hende3165

          5 years ago

          Cost less* prospects

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        • S_man_2014

          5 years ago

          @Dewey This trade idea makes sense from a value perspective. However, I doubt that the Red Sox would be looking to take on that much salary especially after trading away Mookie Betts 10 months ago. I also doubt the Cubs would dump Darvish without getting any MLB help (unless they have a side-deal with Trevor Bauer or another SP to replace Darvish). Just my 2 cents.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          5 years ago

          I realize it’s far fetched but it actually could work. The Sox are under the tax and while no one wants to throw away money, they need to show the fan base something. 18 is getting old quick. NESN ratings tank when the team is not competitive.

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        • realsox

          5 years ago

          *fewer prospects

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          The Cubs wouldn’t trade him for only salary relief. It’s a chance to get a talent infusion and salary relief both. And by the way, he’s a great value at the moment, especially when you see how much the current FA starters are expected to haul in.

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        • GeoKaplan

          5 years ago

          @realsox was both amusing AND correct. That is a twofer not often seen here.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          5 years ago

          Its also a long deal still. I doubt there are many suitors who will pay the full remaining years.

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        • midway_monster85

          5 years ago

          Terrible idea. Kimbrel only has one year left on his deal, and the Cubs could clean up if they trade Darvish to the right team.

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          5 years ago

          I suspect Boston does want to add that much to the team’s payroll.

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          5 years ago

          My previous comment was @dewey

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        • dopt

          5 years ago

          I like it

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        • Cap & Crunch

          5 years ago

          Imagine winning a World series then 2 years later saying its been a long time… My goodness

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        • believeitornot

          5 years ago

          I think the word is fewer.

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        • believeitornot

          5 years ago

          You beat me.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          5 years ago

          Honestly, I would love Darvish on the Sox. It’s a huge pipe dream though.

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        • Rsox

          5 years ago

          The only way the Sox take Kimbrel in the trade is if the Cubs are kicking in cash to cover his salary.

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        • pasha2k

          5 years ago

          LOL, do you seriously think the Cubs would take LOW level players back? But Bloom would never take those salaries for older players.

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        • larkraxm

          5 years ago

          I think it’s more few!! 🙂

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    • Al Hirschen

      5 years ago

      Mets should go after him

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      • tim815

        5 years ago

        The return starts with PCA.

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    • Cora the Destroya

      5 years ago

      Darvish is the better pitcher. He’s been in way more high stress situations than Gray has. Gray was a nightmare in New York.

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      • DocBB

        5 years ago

        He can also be a WAY worse pitcher than Gray at times….that’s why I said sink or swim

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          Darvish’s last 160 innings- 2.40 ERA (2.54 FIP), 34.6K % 3.4 BB%

          He’s been WAY better more recently and at 50 something million for the next three years, he’s a very solid financial deal as well. Besides, Hoyer will be interested in young, controllable talent if he actually trades him. Not Gray.

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  2. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    the Cubs had the 2md and 3rd highest payrolls in baseball the past two years. remember that Cubs fans.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      *2nd

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    • Sideline Redwine

      5 years ago

      True. But Ricketts has money (he profited handsomely outside of baseball this year, and good for him for doing so), and the Cubs can always spend. I have never seen a Cubs FO that was this cheap. But hey, at least they aren’t the Reds.

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      • tim815

        5 years ago

        Are you nine years old or ten?

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        • realsox

          5 years ago

          Sideline: how can you possibly know that Rickets “profited handsomely outside of baseball this year . . . “? And if he did, why do you think he’s obliged to take money from profits elsewhere and sink them into the Cubs? Why should he do that?

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        • kylegocougs

          5 years ago

          Do billionaires not have to assume risk or responsibility for their financial decisions?

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          5 years ago

          @realsox…one can infer sideline was referring to the 2019 TD Ameritrade sale

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        • UnknownPoster

          5 years ago

          How about because the whole reason the Cubs haven’t spent in the last two years is because Ricketts tried to pull a fast one on the city of Chicago and got caught?

          His bad business workings are why the Cubs are so F’d as they are, and he’s the owner, so maybe he should give a damn?

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        5 years ago

        @Redwine- My team is the 27th or 28th cheapest in baseball. Whoa is me. >=}

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        again, top three payroll for two straight years. (and probably goes back further) there is a luxury tax you know. if it wasnt a concern then other teams would go over. BOS, NYY, PHI, LAD, and others are bigger markets and at most spend only a little bit more.

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        • UnknownPoster

          5 years ago

          Meh. That money was already locked up by 2017/2018. He hasn’t tried to improve this team a lick

          These were supposed to be the last 2-3 years of the Kris Bryant/Rizzo era. Instead Rickets has run the same team out for 3 seasons, because he can compete in the central. And it all ties back to him getting caught on the Wrigley construction

          So yay, payroll. But does spending X dollars really help if you are so locked into the guys you have that you cannot assess and improve weaknesses for multiple seasons? Now you’re praising him for doing nothing for multiple years?

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    • Ry.the.Stunner

      5 years ago

      Not in 2020 they didn’t, they had the 5th highest prorated payroll. Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, and Astros all had them beat.

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  3. californiaangels

    5 years ago

    if the angels could pull this off and hold Marsh, Detmers, and Adams that would be ideal!

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    • angels fan 3

      5 years ago

      If they took on the whole contract I think they should be able to keep those players

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        5 years ago

        Agreed. That’s a lot of salary for an aging player. One coming off a good year, but Father Time is undefeated.

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          If you look at what starters are getting now and the deals this year’s FA’s will get, he’s a great deal.

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        • looiebelongsinthehall

          5 years ago

          At his advancing age, I’d agree if it were a one year deal.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          5 years ago

          Not when that pitcher is 34 and has 3 more seasons on his contract.

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          He’d get at least that much for 3 years as a FA coming off last season.

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    • tim815

      5 years ago

      Starts with Detmers.

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    • RyÅnWKrol

      5 years ago

      It’ll be a salary dump just like Upton, Philips, Bundy, and the Iglesias duo. Angels have given up almost nothing to acquire the players they have off the trade market. Darvish would likely be the next if they decide to get him. Gray will cost a little more because he’s just a bit younger and more affordable. Bauer should be their top target regardless. Free agent and they only have to give up money and a second-round pick in the 2021 draft. They can do that and make a trade. How about Blake Snell? Luis Castillo? Carlos Carrasco? German Marquez? I think big SP moves around MLB will mostly come from the trade market. Teams like the Angels, who are keeping their payroll, will be siphoning those arms, and I think all of them will be cheaper than normal. Probably what’s holding up the FA market.

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      • UnknownPoster

        5 years ago

        Darvish was 2nd in the cy this year. He’s not a teams backup SS

        You’re not getting him for scraps

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        • S_man_2014

          5 years ago

          Darvish was 2nd in the Cy young this year. But this year was only 60 games. While we shouldn’t ignore what he did in 2020, but it would be a mistake to assume that he will do it over 162 games considering it’s been several years and a TJ surgery since he last performed this well over a 162 game series.. Darvish does have positive trade value. But I’m not sure if he would attract a top 30 prospect in return. or multiple top 100 prospects..

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        • Ry.the.Stunner

          5 years ago

          His dominant pitching started at the All-Star break in 2019 when he was allowed more freedom of pitch selection. So for all intents and purposes, his dominant showing did last over the course of almost an entire season.

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        • S_man_2014

          5 years ago

          @Ry So we are picking and choosing 1/2 seasons now? What about the 1st half of 2019? What about 2018? 2017?

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        • RyÅnWKrol

          5 years ago

          And Justin Upton was having possibly the best season of his career when the Angels got him from the Tigers. It was a straight salary dump. They basically purchased Upton. The same could occur with Darvish. Or, teams negotiate how much the Cubs eat and give up more.

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        • ABCD

          5 years ago

          Upton had an opt-out though at the end of the season. The Angels tacked on another year to his contract so he would not exercise it.

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          Now who’s cherry picking?

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  4. OilCanLloyd

    5 years ago

    Jays should consider. But Yu probably has them on his no trade list.

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    • its_happening

      5 years ago

      Agreed. But the Cubs were on his list when he was on Texas. Then again so were the Jays.

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  5. Led Hoyer

    5 years ago

    Trade a really good starting pitcher, with a reasonable contract, to address the need of starting pitching, great plan.

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    • niedenfuer92

      5 years ago

      They are trying to trim payroll and start over is what it seems like. So no it’s not a reasonable contract in that regard.

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      • tim815

        5 years ago

        Or, they’re prioritizing 2023 over 2021 and 2022.

        You nor I can prove either over the other.

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  6. mike127

    5 years ago

    Well, if someone has to win the NFC East 7-9 I guess that someone could win the NL Central at 70-90. My gosh, not a single team seems to be trying to get better on the field.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      bold of you to assume anyone in that division gets to 7 wins.

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    • tim815

      5 years ago

      COVID sucks in flyover country.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        5 years ago

        Ya. The NL central might be softer than the AL Central was a few year ago, before the White Sox and Twins emerged.

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  7. Angelic Visitations

    5 years ago

    The Cubs can still win that division, and I don’t envision them seeking when payroll will naturally decrease with expiring contracts. The Reds on the other hand made some regrettable investments in Moose and Castellanos. Both being good hitters, but neither bring a very capable defender. If another team takes on Moose, the asking price of Sonny Gray won’t be nearly as high. And those contacts the Reds took on won’t expire for a while. They won’t compete AND they have to trade.

    The Cubs are in an ideal situation. Do nothing and possibly win the division, or trade and get some quality prospects back to kick start a rebuild that should take 3-5 years, just enough time for any non-tradable deals to expire so they can start from a blank slate financially.

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  8. MetsFan22

    5 years ago

    As a Mets fan. I starting to not want springer Bauer or any big FA other than Lindor. Age is a. Big factor for me. Just get depth this year and next year go big on FA. They should make the playoffs regardless of what they do.

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    • gbs42

      5 years ago

      Lindor is not a FA.

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  9. Bustedstuff88

    5 years ago

    Do we know who the 12 teams are he doesnt want to pitch for?
    Personally, I think no trade clauses are BS. then again maybe they dont want YU either 🙂

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    • pt57

      5 years ago

      No trade clauses are sometimes a means to extract concessions from the new team rather than a lack of desire to play for a team.

      The big spending teams might be on Yu’s list.

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    • gbs42

      5 years ago

      Why do you think no-trade clauses are BS?

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      • iverbure

        5 years ago

        Nobody holds a gun to teams heads and says, you have to give me a no trade. If teams don’t like no trade clauses don’t give them out. Pretty simple.

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  10. niedenfuer92

    5 years ago

    C’mon Twins, you wanted him in free agency before. Now is your chance to take on his contract without having to give up a ton of farm hands. Berrios/Darvish/Maeda/Pineda/Odorizzi is a hell of a rotation

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    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      5 years ago

      They gotta re-sign odorizzi first. Maybe Jed can get him to his home state. Theo and Jed got Ben Zobrist back home. Why not Odorizzi. Breese, IL is 4 hours from Chicago. Close enough i guess.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        5 years ago

        Why do they need to re-sign Odorrizi first? Seems to me Darvish might be an upgrade..at least THIS year.

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  11. VonPurpleHayes

    5 years ago

    Every team in the NL Central is selling. Is it the Pirates time to shine? (I’m only half kidding).

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    • Monkey’s Uncle

      5 years ago

      I’m a Pirates fan, and I wish that the Great NL Central fire sale made me more excited. Nutting wrote the book on cutting costs.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        5 years ago

        No it’s not. The Pirates are dangling Musgrove, Taillon and Bell. They just aren’t getting as much attention

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  12. BobSacamano

    5 years ago

    Or.. there’s Michael Fulmer & Matt Boyd, for half the cost (prospects & dollars), and same risk. We knew they had that problem, that’s why it’s priced so right! Soo, what can I do to get these guys on your mound today?! Great.. let me talk to my manager.

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  13. bmerg34

    5 years ago

    The cubs suck hope they finish in last place!!

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    • Ry.the.Stunner

      5 years ago

      You’ll be sorely disappointed.

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    • classicmixup

      5 years ago

      Such a profound statement. Time for school

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  14. Deleted Userrr

    5 years ago

    Trading Darvish wouldn’t be popular with Cubbies fans but in order to be a (good) GM you have to completely tune all of that out.

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  15. Sky14

    5 years ago

    Imagine the Twins would be in on him. They were before he signed with the Cubs and they have payroll space.

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  16. SwingtheFNbat

    5 years ago

    No on Darvish. With his injury history, there’s a better chance than not he doesn’t perform up to his remaining contract. If he actually takes the mound 90% of it, he could. I bet no.

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  17. bkbkbkbk

    5 years ago

    Perry sends Will English for Darvish and Kimbrel.

    Then signs Bauer too.

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  18. Mrtwotone

    5 years ago

    Yu can’t go wrong with Darvish

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  19. ChiSoxCity

    5 years ago

    Worst $200MM+ team I have ever seen. They seriously need to sell their assets, rebuild and reallocate resources if they’re serious about winning a championship at this point. They won’t do it, however, because Cubs fans only care about the regular season.

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    • Jockstrapper

      5 years ago

      Why do you care? Go powder your vag.

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    • Led Hoyer

      5 years ago

      They won a World Series and have made the playoffs more times in the last six than the white Sox have in the last 30. Their payroll isn’t anywhere near 200 million right now. Worst troll on Here

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  20. Yep it is

    5 years ago

    Billionaires crying poverty. That is laughable.

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  21. Ducky Buckin Fent

    5 years ago

    This would be my ultimate Yankees off-season.

    It reads like a list for a romantic picnic: a middle infielder, a couple relievers, & Yu.

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  22. Deleted Userrr

    5 years ago

    How about…

    Cubs get: Reid Detmers

    Angels get: Yu Darvish, Craig Kimbrel and Christopher Morel

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    • bkbkbkbk

      5 years ago

      Huge overpay. That’s too much salary coming back for a real prospect. Kimbrel is sunk cost at this point.

      For darvish and kimbrel you can probably expect a 20-30th system guy.

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      • Dbird777

        5 years ago

        Have ‘too much salary” and Arte ever met?

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    • SwingtheFNbat

      5 years ago

      Not close, any other big contracts you want to dump in there.. Haha

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    • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

      5 years ago

      3 for 1. No thanks. Not worth it.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        5 years ago

        Seems a little nutty. This trade would add $38M in payroll for the Angel’s 2021 season.

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    • ABCD

      5 years ago

      Talk about putting pressure on Detmers.

      The deal would be more like Yu for Detmers and a lesser prospect and a lottery pick. Angels would get no cash for Yu’s contract unless they added another player.

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    • RyÅnWKrol

      5 years ago

      That would likely involve straight salary dumps, but they’d probably still have to give up a couple more prospects to get all three of those players. Although, I’m not so sure if they’d even have to give up Detmers. For Kris Bryant, yes. Not for what can be seen as dead weight contracts.

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  23. Monkey’s Uncle

    5 years ago

    The Cubs can start dumping salary if they really want, but they must remember, Yu reap what Yu sow.

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  24. SwingtheFNbat

    5 years ago

    Screw Yu, you can trade for Sonny and sign Hendricks for the same price. I’d give up a better prospect to make that happen.

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  25. madmanTX

    5 years ago

    Hardly a career year in 2020 having only thrown 76 innings. Yu’s best year was in 2013, before the surgery.

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    • ABCD

      5 years ago

      Yu has been terrific since the middle of 2019. He was in total command of his stuff. No reason to think it won’t continue for a while

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      • Poster formerly known as . . .

        5 years ago

        I’m looking at his number of starts per season since 2013 and it reads like this:
        32
        22
        0
        17
        31
        8
        31
        12

        Sure looks like a reason to doubt that his recent success will continue for a while. That’s hardly a picture durability and consistency. The best player in the world isn’t useful on the IL.

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          His last 160 innings- 2.40 ERA (2.54 FIP) 34.6% 3.4 BB%
          There are a lot of teams that would bet on that.

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        • ABCD

          5 years ago

          If you calc three year rolling averages for the latest three full years ending 2017, 2018, and 2019, you still get 6-7 WAR whether it’s Baseball Reference or Fangraphs. There’s two major injuries in there. Now add in his excellent results over the past 30 starts and the fact that he’s healthy, he’s easily worth at least a 50-100 top prospect for his three year contract.

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  26. sjma69

    5 years ago

    Cubs need Darvish for their own network.

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    • classicmixup

      5 years ago

      What are you talking about? I know it’s a good amount of money but in baseball 22mil is nothing. 12th highest paid pitcher in baseball …..

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  27. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    5 years ago

    The cubs need pitching. Why trade it away? This makes no sense Cubs need a starter or 2. A closer. And a LF. They’re still a.gtrat team. Trading Yu would be a mistake.

    They’ve got plenty of money to go get Michael Brantley, Jake Odorizzi and maybe even Archie Bradley. The priority is to extend Baez and Rizzo. And Contreras next winter.

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    • Led Hoyer

      5 years ago

      Brantley would a nice fit for this offense. My dream scenario would be springer being able to play center and leadoff. That checks a lot of boxes for the cubs. As far as pitching goes it seems like a ton of guys available for short term deals that have upside.

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  28. NYYstateofmind

    5 years ago

    “Jon Heyman tweets that right-hander Yu Darvish‘s name “seems out there in trade talks,” though he cautions that it could be little more than a matter of due diligence as the Cubs keep an open mind. Heyman adds that he spoke to a pair of executives with two other clubs, neither of whom expects a trade to ultimately come together.“ And this is news why?

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    • its_happening

      5 years ago

      Maybe Heyman is trying to distance himself from the recent Bauer debacle.

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  29. Questionable_Source

    5 years ago

    Dervish is 34 and has 3 years left on his contract. His value is most likely at it’s peak. Now is a great time to trade him. The Cubs waited too long on Schwarber and possibly Bryant. If they can get something for Darvish, they definitely should.

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  30. costergaard2

    5 years ago

    Teams are helping the broke Cubs. I don’t see the Cubs getting big value back on any of their players unless they eat some salary.

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  31. drasco036

    5 years ago

    I’m interested to see what the Cubs are really going to do this offseason. Tom Ricketts in the past has mentioned the luxury tax threshold as being their soft salary cap, if that holds true, then if my math is correct (and it usually is) the Cubs have around 65 million to spend.

    My opinion, owners really need to look at this free agent period as golden opportunity to get some really solid talent for under traditional market value. George Springer is a prime example, given his playoff pedigree, his ability to play CF and the fact he mashes, he should be in the 30 million AAV range and we are talking about 20-25 million this year. Tanaka should be able to be signed for around 13 million per and he would generally be in the 15-17.5 million range. Kim, is another potential steal. The list goes on and on, there should be great value!

    My hope is Ricketts sees the potential value and at least allows the Cubs to spend close to the LT… I think it would be a poor business decision not to as the Cubs network is still in it’s infancy.

    A lot of big spenders are gearing up for the 2021-2022 free agent class (Yankees)… some are foolishly being short sighted (Phillies). This is like buying stock during the recession, it’s a great chance to get a leg up if you are willing to take a short term loss for long term gain. The Cubs should be prime to take advantage as the Reds are willing to sell the entire team, the Cardinals look scared to spend (but something tells me they make some sly moves per usual), Pirate are not going to spend, Brewers are hurting as well.

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  32. jim stem

    5 years ago

    Any team willing to pick up his contract could probably get him for two decent minor leaguers.

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  33. Cap & Crunch

    5 years ago

    MLBTR-

    Where nobody is worth their salary and holding onto guys like Taylor Ward is a must bc he was on somebodies top 100 prospect board once-

    You all complain that nobody spends money but whenever they do “they are too old” “thats too much” “they are a sunk cost”

    Yu finished 2nd in the Cy voting last year and yall think hes not worth 3/60 ?

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    • JoeBrady

      5 years ago

      I’d gamble on Darvish. On guys like this, I value the more recent stats than the distant stats. As dominant as he was last year, you have to assume he is good to go for at least 2021. If 2021 is a repeat of 2020, that’s really worth a lot of his total cost.

      You could just easily have an issue with a cheaper, less talented SP. None of the are guaranteed.

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  34. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    5 years ago

    At least when the Pirates are the Pirates, fans are only paying Pittsburgh prices for it.

    I guess Rickets intends to live off of that 2016 banner for another hundred years.

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  35. YourDreamGM

    5 years ago

    Yu wouldn’t get as big of a return as the article suggests. He was fantastic last year, but not getting any younger. Not much surplus value on his remaining contract. If teams want a stud they can just sign one. If they miss out and still decide they want one, there are younger cheaper guys available for trade.

    Rest of Cubs trade chips have even lesser value. 1 year left, not cheap, and coming off bad season. I see their value so low that the Cubs will just try for one final run, I like to call it the last dance. If any of their big 3 do well then give them a offer and take the draft pick. I wouldn’t be interested in resigning any of them.

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    • ukhalo

      5 years ago

      Which players are getting younger? I’d like my team to trade for them. Unless they are really young, in which case you might only get a year out of them before they head back to Triple A, and then High School.

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  36. David Herrick

    5 years ago

    The Cubs are not trading Darvish simply as a salary dump. Some of the comments in response to this article are silly. He was 2nd in the CY Young voting, one of the best pitchers in baseball the last two years.

    Angels – the starting point for negotiations has to be Detmers. Detmers and Kochanowicz probably gets it done.

    Blue Jays – Simeon Woods-Richardson and something else. As a Cubs fan, I love this option.

    Twins – they are loaded. I could see Duran or Balazovic plus one other prospect.

    There are probably other teams interested, but it will probably take at least one major pitching prospect plus a little more.

    Perceived issues: Darvish’s age? White Sox just traded for Lynn and he’s 33. Darvish’s salary? $62 million over next three years, but you get what you pay for. That’s a lot cheaper than Bauer, and Castillo and Snell will be more expensive in prospects.

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  37. Moneyballer

    5 years ago

    Jordan Balazovic + Brent Rooker + Jhoan Duran for Yu Darvish with cubs to kick in some contract $$ —- who says no?

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    • ABCD

      5 years ago

      Possibly Darvish if he has Minnesota on his no-trade list. But that would be a good haul for the Cubs. They’d have to chip in at least $15 million, I’d think.

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  38. Chemo850

    5 years ago

    The Cubs are complete idiots if they don’t trade him before the season starts. They have serious financial issues and he is still owed a good amount of money. And this is a contract that many were referring to as terrible just last year. Sure, he was good this year but it was ONLY a partial season and he is ALWAYS injured. They need to move him even if they have to just flat out give him away. I don’t see anyone giving anything good up because of his injury history, contract and recent performance minus this season’s eleven games.

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    • Moneyballer

      5 years ago

      That’s not true. He was outstanding for half of 2019 and all of 2020. He has figured it out and is pitching at an ace level hence the interest from other teams. You’re undervaluing him!

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    • rondon

      5 years ago

      Again for the uninformed. His last 160 innings- 2.40 ERA, (2.54 FIP) 34.6 K% 3.4 BB%

      Anybody would want this guy right now and his deal is totally reasonable with 3 years left.

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      • Chemo850

        5 years ago

        The “uninformed” lmao. Congrats guy, you know how to math. He was good for 160 innings across three years, outside of that he was either garbage or injured. Thanks for proving my point. Anyways, no team is gonna give up top prospects for this guy regardless since there are at least three aces currently on the trade market with much smaller contracts. Team would have to be stupid to give up top prospects and pay 19 million per for this guy as it stands today. Not gonna happen. I’d be willing to bet just about anything on that.

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        • rondon

          5 years ago

          Not sure how you’re rationalizing your point, but hey, I still say IF they want to trade him, they’ll get a significant return. Merry Merry!

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        • Chemo850

          5 years ago

          Now that the Cubs have officially received a hot bag of garbage for Darvish AND a solid catcher….do you still not understand my point or……Don’t feel bad. There’s a bunch of Indians fans who will also be stunningly surprised when they trade Lindor for peanuts because they don’t understand the concept of economics in regards to the Indians being financially screwed all while three all star caliber shortstops sit on the market for significantly less dollars and no prospect capital attached.

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  39. larkraxm

    5 years ago

    I love the posts saying ‘my team needs pitching”. Anyone see the offensive numbers the past few years?? Everyone needs more pitching! Each team needs good, young, cheap controllable starters. The problem is that each team knows it and they are all looking for the same thing. You don’t need to post “Cubs need more pitching”. Every club needs more pitching. FA market very thin for pitching. Not every club will be able to “get more pitching” because the demand is higher than the supply. GMs have to decide if the pitching available is worth the price, given the demand. Not signing a pitcher doesn’t mean your GM doesn’t understand how baseball is played.

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