The Brewers are looking for offensive upgrades this winter, and they have at least one significant bargaining chip. Milwaukee is open to offers for elite reliever Josh Hader, per Robert Murray of Fansided.
As central as Hader has been to this run of Brewers contention – and as unique a talent as he has been – the Brewers have to at least listen to offers. He’s projected to make $5.65MM this season, and he has another two seasons of control remaining. Now might be the peak of Hader’s trade value.
For the Brewers, he might be a luxury they can no longer afford. Even at his most dominant, Hader maxed out at 2.7 bWAR during the regular season. There’s additional value for Hader’s role in the postseason, however, evidenced by his dominant run of 10 scoreless innings in the 2018 playoffs that played a major role in getting the Brewers to the NLCS. For an NL contender looking to balance to scales against the juggernaut Dodgers, a weapon like Hader could present a solution.
Besides, it just so happens that the Brewers produced another high-end reliever in Rookie-of-the-Year Devin Williams. As tantalizing as the pair would be at the tail-end of games, the Brewers have other holes to fill and a limited payroll. They had a roughly $97MM payroll in 2020, and they’re already close to that number with arbitration projections for 2021. They could non-tender Corey Knebel to open up about $5MM, but he’s also a high-end bullpen piece at his best – which he wasn’t in 2020 with a 6.08 ERA in 13 1/3 innings.
If they’re serious about upgrading the offense, which Murray notes finished 26th in runs and 24th in OPS, moving a piece like Hader might provide a path. Naysayers may point to the mph he lost on his fastball this season, but he was still among the very best in the game at limiting hard contact (85.4 mph EV), avoiding barrels (14.7 Barrel%), and striking out opposing hitters (39.7 K%) – not to mention a 2.94 xERA that ranks among the top 10% in the game.
Frickster1402
If they moved him that would be dumb
tim815
It depends on the return.
123redsox
Relief pitchers are replaceable which is why you don’t see the most elite of relievers making as much as the elite starters or elite position players… if you can net a haul for a reliever, you do it
jim stem
They aren’t replaceable if you are thin or they underperform. Just ask the Mets and Phils.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
Considering they don’t have much for hitting after Yelich and Cain they might as well move Hader. I don’t see the Brewers doing much the next few years.
mikeyst13
Cain didn’t exactly hit a ton 2 years ago and then sat most of last year, I wouldn’t have huge hope on him either at 35 with a full year off. Bounce back years from Hiura, Avi, and Narvaez are their best hopes for some offense.
afsooner02
Heard that every year yet we’ve made the playoffs past 3 years.
Vanilla Good
If they moved him that would be smart.
DarkSide830
if they moved him it would be a fairly average intelligence idea
hurricanewar23
Depends on what they can get for him.
RunDMC
It’d be interesting if they used Hader to make a play for 1B Luke Voit.
Fivehead
Voit’s power plays well in that wiffleball field in the Bronx. Not sure how well outside.
dave huth
Miller Park is a hitter’s park. Voit could be able to have the same power numbers in Milwaukee.
RunDMC
If only his HR just squeaked over the wall. By the looks of his spray chart – all of his HR would have left Miller Park. The biggest difference is the left and right foul pole (~30′) in Yankee Stadium, and he doesn’t hit them out there. If he gets a hold of it, it’s gone everywhere.
daveineg
Voit is a perfect fit for the Brewers. He gives them much needed power from right side to go with Yelich and hopefully the same Vogelbach that found his stroke with them in 2020 from the left side.
mrmackey
The Yankees need starters much more than relievers at this point.
I would see them going for someone cheaper and with more years of control for Voit too – like maybe Zach Plesac.
mlb1225
Might be best for them to hold onto Hader until the trade deadline. He was really inconsistent this year and it seems some teams pays a boatload for a star reliever at the deadline every year.
bot
I think they’ll want 3 controllable major league ready guys to fill holes. Teams w no lack of funds will be in on him but yeah, it’ll be tough to get something done considering he didn’t move last off season
YankeesBleacherCreature
No team is going to do that for a reliever.
Michael Chaney
Teams have definitely paid similar prices for elite controllable relievers
YankeesBleacherCreature
For three cost-controlled . major league players? Or are we talking about the M’s deal of Edwin Diaz and Cano with the Mets?
JoeBrady
I think they’ll want 3 controllable major league ready guys
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I doubt they will get remotely close to that. He went from a 6.90 K/W to a 3.10. He had a 7.45 ERA in his last 12 games. And you have a guy like Hand that was non-tendered.
angt222
Yep. Teams that feel they are “one piece” away from winning a WS will pay well
Fivehead
Agreed. Get some prospects from the Dodgers when Jansen implodes.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Or you know, the Dodgers will do what they always do and run back Urias to the pen once he’s been stretched out during the season. The Dodgers aren’t going to give that haul up for a reliever. That whole trio of Urias, May, Gonsolin will stretched further than ever before at big league level. They’ll have time to evaluate Gonzalez & Graterol and see if Ferg is healthy. They aren’t paying for it. If anything it’s going to be a starter they look for at the deadline
JoeBrady
The inconsistency us why you trade him now.
UnknownPoster
And why teams won’t pay what you want
So do you hold out knowing what you wanted or were offered last year, or take the best value now? Perfect example is Boyd. Tigers kept thinking they could do better bc they missed their chance, and now he’s just another guy
Oddball Hererra
Or Cliff Lee – Phillies waited one year too long and went from a pretty good haul to nothing.
Mikegna
Would be interested in a Hader and pieces for arenado if he agrees to extension. Rockies would lose him anyway
bazbal
As a Brewers fan, I’m fine with trading Hader for a young controllable hitter, but under no circumstances would I want Arenado. His career OPS is .793 away from Coors. He’s not worth anywhere near the 199M he’s still owed, but even if he were, the Brewers could not afford him after signing Yelich to a long term deal.
mlb1225
A lot of that came from his early years in the bigs. He’s averaged .820-.850 on the road since 2015, his big breakout year.
24TheKid
A career ops of .793 on the road is really good for any player…
Ducky Buckin Fent
I’d’ve swapped “pretty” for “really”.
But no matter how strong you want to qualify it, it’s good.
TheTrotsky
Yeah I think .725 is the avg OPS. Why would almost 75 points higher be bad?
i like al conin
I like your name.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Total aside:
OPS has been trending up. In 2019 league average was close to .750 (the Juiced Ball Era – we’re going to need a new wing in the HOF). Either way, if you ran an entire lineup out there of guys with an .800 OPS you’d score your share of runs.
Mikegna
Nolan has 6 years left on contract with opt in at 32mil/year.
With Braun’s 16mil
Gyorko. 4 mil
Sogard 4 mil off the books
It opens up quite a bit of payroll flexibility. ESP since arenado is an everyday player for a position the brewers have no depth or prospects at.
Not to mention his defensive capabilities as an mvp/ gold glover
MannyPineappleExpress9
A. They already replaced Braun’s salary (and then some) with that of yelich.
B. So you’re saying it makes sense for a team clearly looking to avoid paying roughly $6 mil to Hader, to replace him with a guy making over $30 mil/year..?
Mikegna
A
Yelich salary is already on the books. Brauns salary and two average players salary is being replaced by an all star who would out produce all three.
B
Brewers are not looking to replace 6 mil. It has to do with maximizing his value. They are finding a way to make their every day team better which Nolan would do.
MannyPineappleExpress9
A. Yes, yelich is already on the books. And literally everyone said at the time he got that deal because Braun’s money would be coming off the books. They’re not going to add another $30+ mil a year for 1 guy. I dont care how many $4ish mil guys they can subtract so you can claim the numbers jive.
B. Of course they’re not looking to replace $6 million. They’re looking to SAVE as much of that as they possibly can..which (again) is why there’s no way on earth they’d add a guy making more than 5x that amount.
Phillies2017
I would certainly consider moving him. He’s likely to get expensive fast via arbitration and relievers are volatile. Im not just gonna take anything, but for the right offer, it’s definitely worth it.
Lars MacDonald
Hader for Voit?
Would that be fair value?
Who says no?
baseballpun
Brewers.
Dutch Vander Linde
And the 28 other teams
miggy4prez
The Yankees
Ducky Buckin Fent
I think it’ll take more than that, @MacDonald.
Ever since Cashman was sniffing around Hader last winter I’ve been hoping to see this guy in NYC. For where the Brewers are at I don’t see the Yanks as a very good match for them in a trade, sadly enough.
Andujar + scraps ain’t gonna cut it.
Dorothy_Mantooth
More like Hader for Voit & Garcia. No way that 1 for 1 deal gets done, as Voit is in arbitration too. They’d save very little money and a dominant reliever is much more valuable than a slugging 1B
Ducky Buckin Fent
I think that’s a bit high, @mantooth.
Regardless, it’ll cost more than Voit. Teams don’t really value that kind of player overly much these days. I’m not linking Voit to Kris Karter but that was another 1B only league home run champion.
He couldn’t find a deal.
Anyway, it’d have to be Voit+. My inclination would be that the Brewers want hitters & they want guys who are already in MLB.
Seems the “+” might be someone like Urshella or – God forbid – Frazier. That becomes problematic for the Yanks as it creates multiple holes to be addressed.
I can see scenarios where a trade might work? Just not sure what else Milwaukee would want. & Cashman is so hyper concerned on value these days I struggle to see he & Stearns reaching an agreement.
Ya know?
It would be an interesting move, though. Yanks could turn around & sign Moreland. Left handed bat & a good fielder to plug first.
YankeesBleacherCreature
In what world is a slugging first baseman worth less than a middle reliever? You can’t even argue position scarcity as there are plenty of both.
Phanatic 2022
brewers would probably want schmit as well as more
Phanatic 2022
including Voit
kurtman20
Mrs. Hader.
bot
Royals won it w a lights out backend of bullpen. Brew crew should follow suit and build around hader and Williams
baseballpun
The NL Central will suck next year. Brewers should definitely at least hold him until the deadline and see where they’re at.
ripaceventura30
People forget that that Royals team was actually an above average offense, they just had no power and did it with speed + contact. This Brewers team was a bottom 3 offense in the NL and was forced to play Avi Garcia in center field. You could build around Hader and Williams, but they still need a lot more offensive consistency if this team clearly rides or dies with Yelich.
Ted
Royals had the 7th most runs in all of baseball that year. The Brewers this season had 5th fewest. You MIGHT be able to combine poor offense with lights out pitching all around, but not just a couple elite relievers.
prov356
The Angels need a pitcher.
baseballpun
The Angels need a pitching staff.
prov356
Maybe he can be the beginning of a complete overhaul of the pitching staff. That would be cool and stuff.
angelsfan4life
As much as I would like him on the Angels, Brad Hand would make more sense right now. Won’t have to give prospects or a lose a draft pick.
bigpooky
LOL, that about says it
dirkg
You either need a solid staff or a solid bullpen. They’ve had neither.
The Halos won in 2002 with a staff of Washburn, Appier, Ortiz, Schoeneweis, Sele, and later Lackey. It was their bullpen that carried them: Weber and Shields led to Donnelly, then Donnelly to Frankie, then to Percival. The starters needed to give them a decent 5 innings.
I think a guy like Hader would really solidify their back-end and take pressure off the starters.
brewcrewjazz
No even Hader can fill that void
Allen Adams
He must be injured…
prov356
If the Angels get him he will be.
agentx
Ouch!!
mp9
Twins!!
Superstar Car Wash
Minneapolis is all about social consciousness and inclusivity now after everything that’s happened in 2020, so good or not, they wouldn’t take a chance on Hader, no matter how much he’s claimed to have “changed his ways” from his racist past.
mlb1225
Your’e talking like he was caught calling at a KKK meeting. He tweeted out lyrics to some rap song.
budgreen420
not being a leftist = being in the KKK
Haven’t you been paying attention?
Ducky Buckin Fent
I live in Minneapolis.
This city is certainly going through some changes, man. Yet, even acknowledging that I don’t see his Really Stupid Teenager Stuff precluding him from the Twins roster.
Also, wondering why you included quotation marks around “changed his ways”? I don’t think they were ever his “ways” to begin with. He also offered a sincere apology as all of his teammates stood by him.
I don’t think we need to start tossing the word “racist” around.
DarkSide830
anyone’s available at the right price
MLBTR Commenter
Hader for Gavin Lux. Match made in heaven
Dorothy_Mantooth
Return is reasonable but MIL already has their 2B in Keaton Hiura. If Lux can play SS then maybe that’s a fit.
angelsfan4life
The Dodgers will be losing Kiki Hernandez this off-season. And Corey Seger after next season. I doubt the Dodgers will give up Lux
abcrazy4dodgers
He’s a SS who learned to play 2B in Dodger system. Having Seaver kinda does that.
abcrazy4dodgers
Spellcheck hell. Seager.
los_leebos
move Hiura over to 1B full-time, a move that’s at most 2-3 years down the line anyway if he keeps hitting. Trade for Lux at 2B, Hiura at 1B, a cheap 1-year stopgap SS, then be a player in that coveted SS FA market the year after. Now you only have a massive hole at 3B, instead of the whole infield!
mlbdodgerfan2015
Nah, Friedman doesn’t like to overpay for relievers. Lux’s value has declined but still got too much upside in return for an elite reliever. Hopefully Lux returns to form this year and shows that he can handle MLB pitching.
Chris Koch
Dodgers just won World Series and did so by small market ploys of hanging on to their top prospects and fill in the holes via FA. Lux would maybe be pried away from them for Tatis Jr only. I will say Dodgers will be in play for a trade within their 4-10 ranked prospects simply because its time to replace Kenley J. Just are those guys going to be the best offer?
UnknownPoster
Had the same thought I won’t lie
I think it’s a fair value. I don’t know if Friedman does it. In fact I don’t think he would
To those asking, Lux can play SS and hit with the best of them. He also still has 6 years of control. LA would have to get a lot to let go of him
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
He can definitely hit with the best of them, but there’s always been enough questions about whether he could actually stay at SS. It wasn’t the will he outgrow the position, like Seager , it was the can he make the routine plays and throw enough to remain at SS.The throwing issue continued into this season. Tbh I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he doesn’t stick in the Inf, and transitions to CF where his athleticism plays, but his bat needs to also make that jump.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
All that to say, I don’t see Friedman making that trade. Much the same as I don’t think the Dodgers even entertain many packages proposed on here.
Down with OBP
Good article – but the citation is not from Fangraphs
BobGibsonFan
Hey, it’s written by tc… at least we could understand it.
its_happening
Brewers should be looking at Lindor. Find a team in-need of bullpen help and work out a three-way deal.
MLBTR Commenter
I’m guessing Milwaukee is looking for young, inexpensive, and controllable players. Lindor doesn’t fit the bill.
its_happening
Yes and no. Yes he fits because Milwaukee is still in their window. No because Milwaukee has no desire to win. If they aren’t keen on Lindor then extending Yelich was a waste of time. They are teetering on a rebuild if they do not make some impactful moves to win now.
stubby66
I think Frazier, Andujar and another piece ( Sanchez) from the Yankees would be suffice maybe even add Henry with Hader.
AJV
Ha
Jeff Zanghi
I think you could be on to something there… it seems like MIL fans are really overestimating/over-valuing what a reliever is worth on the trade market. Especially one who only posted a 3.64 ERA last year — granted he’s been better than that in the past but still. Getting 2 young potentially ‘star-level’ offensive players for a reliever should be seen as a win. Maybe MIL has to include something else to get both Frazier and Andujar from the Yankees… but I think a deal centered around Frazier would be a good starting point given MIL’s need for offense and Frazier’s obvious offensive skillset. Andujar is interesting too… because it was just a couple years ago that he looked like he was about to become one of the games best offensive 3B. Obviously injuries have since ravaged his last couple seasons… but if he gets back to his 2018 self — the Brewers would be looking at 2 REALLY great, young, affordable and controllable hitters for a reliever who – for as great as he’s been – is still a reliever and they tend to be volatile regardless of how great they’ve been in the past.
pdxbrewcrew
Hader had one outing where he gave up half the runs he did for the entire season. That outing added almost two full points to his ERA.
rocky7
Well, there’s one big problem with your theory about centering a trade around Frazier…..given the glove he flashed this year, and his offensive muscle flexing, combined with his playing a decent right field in addition to playing left, I think he has played himself back into a longer term picture with the Yankees.
Now, you can never say never with the Yanks, especially since they have obviously liked Hader in the recent past, but trading Frazier, and being forced to play either Andujar or Tauchman on a regular basis just doesn’t make lots of sense…..now if the Yankees trade or sign a big time free agent to man left field, then game on!
I also believe your comment about multiple players for a reliever is totally true, …A multiple player trade for 1 guy, especially if its a reliever, can be a slippery slope…..I guess we’ll see how this develops.
UnknownPoster
Hahahaha yankee fans convincing themselves their 40 man trash is not only buying a top 5 reliever with multiple years of control… but they’d be overpaying!
You sound like Padre fans
Chris Koch
That’s the same tired trade idea for over a year now. Trash for the Yankees next M.Riviera. if in any trade the Brewers do with Yankees it’d have to be for Dominguez. And I question that kid’s age looking like a Pittsburgh Steeler LB at age of 16. Still 3 years away at best to the majors is too long for a headliner. Yanks=hard pass
rocky7
You’re right….that’s an easy, easy hard pass for the Yankees!
Yankee Clipper
Chris, I know you may not realize it, but Hader will never come close to being the next Mariano Rivera. In fact, he will be decent, at best. So, decent multiplayer for decent single player deal is not extraordinary.
Coincidentally, many ex-players and writers are pondering similar trade scenarios, which everyone does, every year in the offseason. It’s what happens when Team A has a player they put on the market and Team B is a fit.
It’s kind of like when everyone said the same thing about Cole never becoming a Yankee, and then, whoops, he cut his hair AND shaved!
It’s just propositions about what could be, don’t disparage an entire fan base because your team can’t win, it’s not a good look, my friend.
Chris Koch
Did M.Riviera ever adjust his pitching? Was he always just 1 pitch?
That’s where Hader is at currently. Beating MLB hitters with mostly FBs. Hader was a top 40-45 prospect I believe when the Brewers turned him loose in the bullpen. The prospect rating was on him being a SP. He has a great slider that he barely uses. Add to the fact his catchers 2019-2020 were Grandal and Narvaez. Two guys that don’t handle his slider well and thus put Hader in a 90% FBs called.
Devin Williams just showed how a breaking pitch that’s hard to pick up from release is devastating. It’s a different ballgame when Manny Pina is back there catching him. 1.73ERA below .500 OPS against vs 3.17ERA .636 OPS Grandal vs. 4.82ERA. .721 OPS against for Narvaez. Lets add 1 of 4HRs given up this year while Jacob Nottingham was catcher. Hader has 7 outings Nottingham caught him and 3HRs given up. Hader himself isnt the problem for his 2020 final ERA. The guys behind the plate were who could only handle his FB.
Jeff Zanghi
If I were a team looking to acquire Hader I’d be hesitant to give up a big time offensive player for him. Granted 2020 was a shortened and strange year but comparatively — he wasn’t quite the same pitcher he had been in the past. And if that’s an indication that he’s not quite the dominant reliever he had been in 2018 and 19… a trade of a core, young offensive star could backfire should Hader regress further. I mean it’s also totally as likely that he gets back on track to the 16.0 K/9 Machine he was prior to 2020 and winds up helping push a contender over the top… but idk if I were another teams GM — I’d be hesitant to give up a young offensive star for him. Having said all of that — if somehow the price were right… he’s be a tremendous fit for the Red Sox… who do have an imbalance of excess offensive talent and virtually NO bullpen talent. Still though a match seems unlikely because as I said — giving up a young controllable offensive talent for a reliever who showed signs (even if they were small ones) of regression seems like a big risk. For example — look at the Red Sox trade for Tyler Thornburg. I know he was no where near the talent level of Hader… but still the risk is always there with relievers, regardless of how dominant they’ve been in the past.
SeattleFan99
Seattle mariners could trade Dylan Moore and or jake Fraley/bishop for hader
angelsfan4life
That would make to much sense. Considering Dippoto has never understood the importance of a good bullpen.
Rangers29
This has White Sox written all over it… What would that return look like?
keysox
Sox trade Lopez, Rodon, and Grandel for Hader and Grambel.
Sox sign McCann
Vanilla Good
If only you could edit comments, right?
mabjr-cwsfan
López and Mazara
BobGibsonFan
3 years of Hader is worth quite a bit. If they dont get a great offer, then The Brewers should keep him and add a couple hitters by way of the waiver wire and free agency. It’s only 5 mil… they can afford that.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
How do you feel about the name change for Miller Park?
Personally I refused to call parks by their new names. From Comiskey to Jacobs Field and AT&aT and Enron lol.
brewcrewjazz
As a diehard Brew Crew fan I would love to see Williams/Haderaide nail down the 8th/9th for years to come. On the other hand, trading Hader in his prime could fill a couple holes in the lineup and bring in a couple prospects. As much as I love Hader, I would also love to see the haul we could get in return. Catcher/1B/3B are some pretty big holes right now with nothing coming down the pipeline.
belfalbran
Joe Buck will trade for Hader. He loves him some Hader.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Joe Buck seems to be a homer for the opposite team people root for. He was all over the Dodgers this year. 2017 he was somewhat neutral. ’16 he could not be more for the Indians. He even drooled all over LeBron James. Who isn’t even an Indians fan. And as we all know. He wanted the Cardinals to win so bad in 2011.
He drools all over the Weekend too…. kenley Jansen.
BasedBall
Hader to LA for Tony Gonsolin, Matt Beaty and Chris Taylor
Swap Edwin Rios for Beaty if Mil gets a better offer.
I Beg To Differ
Milwaukee isn’t giving Hader away for that. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Keibert Ruiz makes sense as the center piece as the Brewers need a catcher. Secondary pieces near MLB ready who are blocked like Uceta, Estevez, and Peters makes sense.
If Milwaukee deals Hader it will be for mlb ready or near mlb ready pieces.
fred-3
Ríos would probably be the Brewers 3rd best hitter
I Beg To Differ
Theyre better off trading Hader for a better package than Gonsolin, Rios, and Taylor.
fred-3
Keibert for Hader works but the Dodgers love to hoard their catchers
UnknownPoster
You realize all 3 of those guys did play in the majors in 2020, right? So did Ruiz if he’s the centerpiece over Gonsolin
You can not like the trade. But at least have a valid reason
I Beg To Differ
“Theyre better off trading Hader for a better package” is a valid reason to not support the Brewers trading Hader for Gonsolin, Rios, and Taylor. Great secondary pieces, except Taylor who is a rental, are definitely not headliners worth Hader.
The comment of “if Milwaukee deals Hader it will be for mlb or near mlb ready players” meant theyre not interested in high end prospects years away. Any package for Hader will most likely consist of mlb ready or near mlb ready players. That can include Rios and Gonsolin but theyll need to add more to make it worthwhile for the Brewers.
Dodgers could go two routes. Top prospect like Ruiz or a quantity package much like what Clevinger netted.
Chris Koch
Brewers are in a good position regarding pitching. Any headliner on a deal has got to be a leadoff/#2 or cleanup hitting prospect. Vaughn from White Sox as an example.
ExileInLA 2
Mets send Dominic Smith even up. 3 years of Smith – an all-around top 1B, for 2 years of Hader.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I feel sorry Yelich. Signed a big extension. Well earned. Signed before chaos and pandemic hit. So that makes him a genius but he might be in the same situation as when he was on the Marlins.
pustule bosey
so conceivably you could have bauer, hader and osuna on the sme team – wouldn’t that be something
Brac2brac
NYY is in a position to take a bit of risk in acquiring Hader. Inherent risk is that he is a reliever. Overt risk is that his numbers were down. A last factor is that they may overpay a bit in terms of Voit or Frazier centric , but should mitigate it with a favorable return in better prospects they receive than the ones they trade. 2×2, 2×3 or 3×3 could make this a win / win deal.
Then go and sign Kim and Brad Hand. They stay focused on young players and staying under the CBT. Have to figure out the SP situation, but that’s doable. Can still pick up ‘value players’ from the non-tender group. You’ve gotten a much better bullpen, will miss DJ for sure (but also miss out on potential downside of a player his age) and are able to go full beast mode in 2022 to sign Lindor and SP.
Yankee Clipper
I think theYankees are better suited concentrating on their areas of need/want before trading for Hader. Hand is available and they still have a 9M contract on the table in Ottavino.
They need to figure out Catcher first, SP, then SS. They have enough offense to not need Lindor and will pay far less for Baez or Seager in ‘22 (those are who I believe they will go after).
My opinion is commit to Sanchez or trade him, then sign Realmuto or don’t. Finally go after Contreras if neither of the first two pan out as a nice conciliatory to a Realmuto signing. Again, he’s a really good catcher, and would be very effective in getting them to the next step. His framing improved substantially, his D was the same as JT at 4.5 and his offense was down, but not very far off from JT, and plenty for the horsepower the Yankees have. He’d be a great addition.
Bart
Angels Brandon Marsh or Jo Adell for him.
rememberthecoop
I wouldn’t do that if I’m the Angels.
angelsfan4life
Again as I said above, Brad Hand would make more sense for the Angels. Not having to give up prospects and they won’t lose a draft pick either
SJWMets
Mets trade Nimmo, Nido, Rosario and a player to be named later for Hater. They said they wanted bats right?
dave huth
I’m a Brewers fan, I think that the pros outweigh the cons when it comes the trading Hader.
Pros:
1. The Farm System is in the garbage.
2. It’s one of the only ways they can get better prospects.
3. He was not home grown. The Brewers like to keep home grown guys.
Cons:
1. The Brewers might have the best duo Hader/Williams
2. Josh Hader is only 5 mil.
3. Josh Hader one of the only 5 good guys left.
I think they need to deal. 🙁
Vanilla Good
What do you mean by “5 good guys?”
dave huth
I mean Hader, Yelich, Woodruff, Burnes, and Hiura
JoeBrady
I think y’all are overrating Hader. He was a beast in 2017-2019, but kind of average in 2020. In my experience, someone doubling his BB/9 is a sign of arm trouble.
UnknownPoster
Or the guy had a short season, especially for a reliever who had a blowup game. Which destroyed his numbers..
There’s risk of course. Idk how much stock you should put into a 20 game sample or whatever it was
JoeBrady
There is no right or wrong answer there. I wouldn’t buy on a short sample, but I might sell. The one thing I wouldn’t do is to pay top dollar. His FB velocity was down ~ 1 mph, and his slider down 1.6. You could take out his one bad game, and his ERA is better, but then you can say that about every RP. And if you took out that game, then his BB9 becomes an even 5.00.
I don’t have a study on this, but working from memory, walks don’t come back. They are the indicators that things are going sideways. If this was a mid-level guy, maybe I’d be more inclined to take a chance. But I wouldn’t pay a top-tier price.
mikeyst13
Part of the issue with his walks were the 3rd and 4th string catchers that couldn’t frame a pitch to save their lives. Nottingham made every pitch near a corner look a foot outside by lunging at it. People really undervalue having a good framing catcher behind the plate like he had in Pina and Grandal before that.
mlb1225
Literally half of his walks came in one game vs the Pirates where he only got one out. Take out that one game and his BB/9 is 2.4.
rememberthecoop
He’s a relief pitcher. I know how good he’s been, but how much can they get for a reliever?
Vanilla Good
Good question. How much did the Yankees get for Aroldis Chapman in 2016?
joeyrocafella
As a Mets fan I would trade Pete Alonso for him, and just use Dom Smith at 1B, then sign Springer
lambeau gang
As a Brewers fan I could definitely get behind a package of Polar Pete and a prospect or two in return for Hader.
true brewcrewfan
I would take that trade in a heartbeat.