A late-season elbow impingement forced Mike Clevinger to sit out the Padres’ wild card series with the Cardinals, and an attempt return in Game 1 of the NLCS resulted in just 24 pitches and a second-inning removal. There is some reason for optimism, however, as “according to multiple people familiar with his injury, [Clevinger] is likely headed for nothing more invasive than arthroscopic surgery,” Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports.
This would put the right-hander on track to be ready to roll for the start of the 2021 season. While arthroscopic surgery isn’t exactly routine, it would certainly be a relief to Clevinger and the Padres that his elbow problem is minor enough that it can be corrected with such a relatively straight-forward procedure (if even that step is required).
Though Clevinger couldn’t contribute much in the postseason, he posted a 2.84 ERA, 6.33 K/BB rate, and 9.0 K/9 over 19 innings for the Padres after being acquired from the Indians in a blockbuster deadline trade. San Diego paid a significant price for Clevinger, not just because of what he could add to the 2020 team, but for his two remaining years of arbitration of control in 2021 and 2022. While the Padres probably won’t entirely breathe easy until they see Clevinger healthy during offseason work or in Spring Training, it seems like the team can count on Clevinger being ready to anchor the rotation of what the Friars hope will be another pennant contender.
Game 1 of the NLCS? I know everything’s messed up but idk about that one haha
NLCS/NLDS, whatever! I’m sure the Padres wish they were in the NLCS!
Yes, of course we do. The Dodgers deserved it more, they played better.
That is a super easy typo to make
Especially if you typing this on a phone and have fat thumbs lol
Good news for the Padres. Now I’m wondering why we haven’t heard more about Lamet. Assuming that news is not so promising.
It’s funny because that is what everyone was saying about Clevinger a week ago. A bunch of people on here (Dodger fans) were swearing that Clevinger would be needing TJ surgery and now it’s just arthroscopic surgery at worst. But Lamet…Lamet is serious! How about we just wait and see what happens? Right now I bet both Clevinger and Lamet start next year healthy.
Regardless, that’s two years in a row where he had serious injuries. That’s never a good sign.
Javia you were the same guy that said dodgers had no chance against padres. 0-3 in the series scoring 10 runs in 3 games and have been relatively quiet since. “Sham Diego”
I never said that imindless. Would you like to go through my comments and find this imaginary comment you think I made? Feel free to quote it back to me.
Yes I called you out. You were insisting that TJ would be needed. Nope. Now you are saying that I said something. I didn’t. Feel free to try to prove me wrong.
Really sad you have nothing better to do.
I also never said he needed tommy john. I said I watched the game against angels when he first got injured and it didn’t look good. Then against dodgers drop 4 mph on fastball shaking out the forearm. Anyone who watches baseball knows that’s not a good sign, it’s also not wrong to assume tj especially in someone who’s had it before. Either way whether he is starting or not you can clearly see how far away padres are from competing with dodgers. 10 runs in 3 games. Tatis nowhere to be found.
Blah blah blah
Sham diego hahahahaha enjoy the couch
@imindless-this is from the Padres Remove Mike Clevinger from NLDS Roster
-“Indians glad that made the deal they did. Tommy John on the horizon. Knocks him out all next year then 1 year remaining right?”
Any more lies you would like to tell imindless?
Typical
Javia, it wouldn’t be a message board if people didn’t pervert someone’s point of view.
Based on history, I thought Canning would need Tommy John surgery. More often than not, that guess is going to be right. He got it wrong… so what?
So he is always shouting Padre fans down with his doom and gloom projections of the Padres and I am tired of it. He always insists these things with such certainty. It is only fair that I point out that after swearing that the Padres are going to suffer that he was wrong.
He has put hundreds of negative comments on Padres articles. It is only fair that I get to point out when he is wrong, isn’t it? Or is he the only one allowed to express his opinion?
Your talking about the initial comments when the injury was First sustained. If you go to that board I never said that. I said it was possibly tj after he barely made the roster and hadn’t pitched in 2 weeks. Your takes and opinions are even more flawed than anyone’s else’s on here.
You are the same idiot that claimed playoff kershaw was going to be doomed to the padres offense and that padres rotation was supremely better than dodgers. Having a “good” rotation means being able to stay healthy. You claimed that padres had depth “as the have one of the best farms” yet were exposed for the lack of starting depth and bullpen depth. You also made comments that padres are a better built team at every position based on war and other statistics. PADRES DIDNT EVEN WIN A GAME AS I PREDICTED. Swept.
That offense was largely overhyped and unsustainable something I predicted would happen. Pads were hot all year in a shortened season and became cold towards the end of the year as slumps happen. In a normal season 162 padres aren’t built to be a contender as currently constructed. Anyone with common sense could understand this.
If you remember Garrett Richards while with angels tried several alternatives to having Tommy John only to end up having it when nothing else worked don’t be surprised when clev has it sometime later next year. Clev has never had a completely healthy season and has already had Tommy John common sense would tell you it’s probably gonna happen again at some point. Decreased life on his fast ball and missing 2/3 weeks is never a good sign for a pitcher.
If he and other Dodger fans are spending their time dissing the Padres, it must mean that the Padres are vastly improved over 2019. You don’t see these guys bothering with the Giants, DBacks or Rockies because they don’t see those clubs as immediate threats to Dodger dominance. Even some Dodger players have gone on record as being impressed with the strides the Padres have made.
Reggie Jackson once said “they don’t boo nobodies.” Internet fanboys don’t spend all their time dissing also rans.
So when Clevinger pitched 200 innings in 2018 that wasn’t a completely healthy season?
Maybe chill with the hyperbole.
People have a problem with padres stans announcing themselves as World Series champs for making the wild card. They have some great young players but to talk smack and act like they are the class of the division is just plain sad. First playoff appearance in 15 years! Do it consistently to earn the respect of your peers. Anyone with half a brain could tell you that they haven’t done it in a long enough or for a long sustained duration. This season was 60 games and their pitchers couldn’t make through without injuries. A quality team would have had depth to keep rolling, dodgers missed turner for most of the year and finished 1st. Also had slumps from bellinger and muncy something padres didn’t have outside of Pham. All had career years in small sample size season.
I get fans tend to get carried away but automatically assuming your going to a ws and blasting dodgers fans is the reason dodgers fans bash you guys. Calling to the times dodgers have failed in postseason when your team is out in May yearly is laughable. Padres are one of the worst run organizations in the majors in terms of talent evaluation and building championship caliber teams. 2 World Series appearances lost 4-1 and lost 4-0. Those are the pinnacles for padres as a franchise over 60 years.
imindless, “Sham diego” did you think of that clever pun all by yourself? WOW none of us have heard THAT one before. YOU enjoy the couch too. It’s not like fans play! We can’t even watch games lives.
@immindless. I’ve seen a LOOOOOOT of you in articles that concern the Padres. To me, it seems like YOU are getting carried away. All these biography sized posts all centered around Padre discussions.
Magnum, “Really sad you have nothing better to do”. LOL I was thinking the same. Dodger fans should be celebrating that their team is poised to reach the WS and perhaps get a rematch with the ‘Cheating Astros’. Instead they are on a Padres board giving Padres fans.Sh**. Waste of time!
Just basking in the padres stans that got it wrong. Wonder what the excuse will be next year when they miss postseason?
I wonder what the Dodgers excuse will be this season when they, once again, don’t win the WS. Sounds to me like they’re God’s gift to the baseball world. It shouldn’t be a hard task for them to beat the Braves and then either the Astros of Ray’s. None of those teams are close to the Dodgers.
I think the Dodgers are still a better team at this point than the Padres are. I’ve said that all year. If the Dodgers had to endure ownership by Tom Werner and John Moores for a couple of decades, they’d have had some futility in their past as well.
Dr Dan-excellent response. Thank you.
Javia, I get it now.
Those people are annoying, as an Angel fan, I hear it all the time. I’m sure other fan bases hear it about their team.
Carry on.
Another thing that LA fans don’t understand: The Padres are it for big league sports in San Diego. There’s no NFL team anymore, no NBA team anymore because the Chargers and the Clippers moved to… Los Angeles. There’s this perception that California’s second largest city is some kind of sports backwater when all it really is is a smaller market. So sports fans in San Diego naturally have some animus towards LA.
By the way, it’s worse in the Bay Area. Those people REALLY hate the Dodgers.
@Briffle ready to catch the smoke next. Picked pads just like everyone else because dudes scared of the dodgers. Padres > Braves. Like I told you before whoever wins between dodgers and padres is going to the ws.
@dr dan the reason the padres are it is because San Diego people don’t support there teams. Clippers were there left because attendance was terrible, chargers left because San Diego didn’t want to pay for a new stadium. San Diego isn’t a sports town.
@imindless
Actually Clevinger has had 3 completely healthy seasons out of 5. Buehler has had 1 out of 3. They both have reconstructed arms. Perhaps you want to rethink that “common sense would tell you that it is probably going to happen again” comment?
Mindless, you’ve made it clear that if it were a full season, the Padres wouldn’t have made the playoffs, yet they’re somehow still better than the Braves?
This season yes. Since we actually live in 2020. Outside of freeman nothing about the lineup is impressive. Accuna strikes out a ton and ozuna is the streakiest hitter of all (can’t hit kershaw) Braves have 1 star pitcher and 1 guy who has a pitched a handful of games. Who is the 3rd or 4th pitcher? Gonna throw the bullpen at dodgers the way the padres did? Worked well. Maybe if Sorka was healthy it could get interesting but dodgers are much deeper both in lineup and rotation.
@mindless
I voted against the new stadium when it was up for referendum a few years ago too. I don’t think taxpayers should have to subsidize venues for billionaire owners. They should be like Paul Allen and build their own.
San Diego is too a sports town. Did you see downtown SD when the Padres eliminated the Cardinals? It’s just a small market. But my original point was to explain some of the disdain that people here have for LA and for LA sports.
OK I’m out of here. This is my only day off this week!
So then you’re saying the Braves wouldn’t also make the playoffs? Or is the NL East so bad that the Braves limp in after winning the division title? Obviously they wouldn’t win a wild card if the Padres don’t, since the Padres are the better team.
@javia since you don’t actually look things up here you go
In 5 seasons since joining majors Clevinger has had 1 season where he pitched 200 innings. 1. Missed games in 16,17,19,20 with various injuries (shoulder, elbow inflammation strain.) But go ahead there buddy.
Sure dodgers rotation has had injuries never said they didn’t that happens over the course of a season. More importantly dodgers key pitchers pitch in playoffs (kershaw, buehler, urias) dating back further (maeda, ryu, strippling, greinke)
“Outside of freeman nothing about the lineup is impressive…”
Huh? That’s pretty lazy analysis. The Braves had six positions with an OPS+ of 110 are better, Four above 135.
And that’s not including Albies, who I think any team would love to have.
Halo, it’s a lazy and ignorant statement. Albies missed four or five weeks with a wrist injury and struggled through it for a week before going on the IL. He hit great when he got back.
Acuna strikes out a lot? OK, who cares. He had a 987 Ops this season and finished 5th in the MVP last season.
That was such a dumb statement by mindless that there’s no point even going through it to show how wrong it is.
@brifle hard to say seeing as teams were relegated to playing only in the divison or some al teams in close proximity. Judging by the bigger body of work they probably make playoffs in a true full season but aren’t a 1 seed. Padres still deserved to be there this year which is the year we are talking about, roster wise they are deeper than Braves. Most likely a 3 seed based on run differential from 2019.
Astros +279
Dodgers +274
Yankees +219
Nationals +166
Minnesota +169
Oakland +161
Cleveland +112
Braves +103
So having a league average player is supposed to create fear of opposition? If that were the case angels would be relevant seeing as they have several league average or better hitters.
Dodgers lineup features 5/6 way above average hitters with a pedigree of success including 2 recent mvps. Top to bottom lefty, righty it doesn’t matter. Braves edge dodgers with freeman, acuna, and ozuna even the ones they win dodgers are still close but dodgers have the edge at almost every other position both offensively and defensively.
We haven’t even talked about the rotations. Dodgers have kershaw, buehler, urias, May, wood, gonsolin. Braves have fried, anderson and?
Briffle
It’s good we agree on something.
Just because the Dodgers have a deeper lineup than the Braves doesn’t mean the Braves lineup isn’t impressive. You honestly don’t sound like you know anything about what you are talking about.
“ If he and other Dodger fans are spending their time dissing the Padres, it must mean that the Padres are vastly improved over 2019.“
OR
Their fans are vastly more annoying than in previous years, harping on national talking points that are 7 years old as their ammunition
Here’s the secret. It didn’t matter it was the padres. They were saying the same things that Philly/StL/Mil/Chi/even the Braves fans have said over the years.
Kershaw cant pitch in the playoffs. Bellinger can’t hit. Blah blah blah. That bs is what gets most dodger fans going. Not that it’s the Padres lmfao
It’s a 2 way street buddy
Padre fans care a lot more about the dodgers than vice versa
Once people start claiming their team is better, their players are better, etc… they’re going to be replied to. ESPECIALLY if the justification is “well the playoffs”.
D back/giants fans don’t come at dodger fans with that BS. That’s why there’s no beef
Padres are like that younger brother that steals your phone and calls girls just to annoy you, but really wants your attention. The rest of the division learned that’s dumb already
It’s a two way street bud
There are a number of Padre fans who are abnormally annoying.
There are many other fans of other teams, but Padres fans, for whatever reason, seem to have a few extra. But that doesn’t mean most Padre fans, or even most fans are annoying.
I don’t agree with everything mindless says (sorry bud)
But to claim it’s only him pushing buttons universally is ridiculous
@briffle when did average become impressive? Maybe against the marlins or reds. By your same logic the Dodgers feature the most balance lineup we have seen in years and you like to sight the dodgers choking and not showing up every round so far. Is that because you are scared or because you just have ignorant bias towards the Braves.
Your the same moron that stated simmons isn’t a hall of famer because he can’t hit well above average despite being the best defender we have seen since ozzie smith. 40 war through age 31 season but because his offense isn’t beastly he doesn’t rate? Your logic is mind boggling.
The Braves have many players who are well above average. So what are you talking about?
You want to say the Dodgers are better…fine. But the Braves deserve to be playing for a chance to go to the World Series…. they are a darn good team.
So are you not allowed to have an opinion? League average doesn’t scary me. Usually in any sport teams plan for the stars not the average guys in between. Dodgers have more of the guys you worry about especially over a 7 game series. Not saying they don’t belong but they have played some of the worst teams to get here. If you think reds and marlins are tough you don’t watch baseball.
Except the Braves aren’t average and I never made a comment on anything about anyone being average. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Apparently, the Dodgers are just light years ahead of the Braves offense this year, according to you. So lets look at some team numbers for the NL.
Average: Braves 2, Dodgers 8
On base: Braves 1, Dodgers 4
Slugging: Braves 1, Dodgers 1 (tied)
OPS: Braves 1, Dodgers 2
Runs scored: 2, Dodgers 1 (by a single run)
So, for all that you’ve been saying about how average the Braves lineup and offense is, statistically they were better than the Dodgers during the season. The Dodgers scored one more run than the Braves, big whoop.
It doesn’t matter if Ozuna is going to hit like this next season or did in the past, he’s doing it right now. It doesn’t matter than Acuna strikes out a lot, he still puts up an OPS around 1.000. You are probably the most bias poster on here.
Simmons has a 36.6 WAR, Ozzie Smith had a 76.9 WAR. Simmons would need to average 3.7 WAR a year until he’s 40 to tie Smith. Considering Simmons hasn’t had a WAR that high since 2017 and has only had three seasons close to that at 5, 4.1, and 4.3, things aren’t looking good for Simmons to approach Smith.
Not that it matters, there is no way that Simmons will make the HOF at his current pace and recent history. He’s injury prone, has never and will never have the all around offensive game that Smith had (obviously minus power) and Simmons defense is already declining. He had a 0 (yes, zero) defensive WAR this season and only a 1.8 dWAR last season, after having at least a 2.4 dWAR every season going back to his rookie season. Once his defense goes, and it’s already slipping, the guy will have zero value.
Do people actually think Simmons will make the HOF? First I’ve heard of that.
You are certainly allowed to have an opinion, but when opinions are not backed up by data, it’s not an opinion, it’s noise.
So, yes, you are to make noise, and people can call it what it is.
The Braves are good. The Dodgers are better. And in a seven game series good is far too often enough.
If he manages to accumulate a war anything close to ozzie smith yes. He has 9 years to do so especially it he maintains an average around what he has with angels. Injuries are his only hinderance at this point.
The data is in the run differentials from last year. The only difference being that they added ozuna and lost sorka. Dodgers where nearly 2 and half times better than Braves last year and were the same this year according the baseball ball reference.
2019
Dodgers +274
Braves + 103
2020 season
Dodgers +136
Padres +80
Braves + 60
Dude, who did the Dodgers play? The Brewers? LOL!!! LOLOLOLOL
They were easily the worst team to make the playoffs. Despite playing the Brewers, the scoring difference was only 2.5 for the two games. You only scored 3.5 runs per game against a Brewers team that finished below .500 and was missing it’s best starter (Burnes) and reliever (Williams) this season. You scored five of your seven runs in the series in two innings. Wow, impressive.
Then you beat the Padres, who according to you, wouldn’t even be good enough to make the playoffs during a full season, not to mention they didn’t have either of their top starters.
I feel like you’re on Moron Mountain and everyone is below the Dodgers and they suck at everything. Maybe stop making statements without any statistically basis.
Sounds like you’re back tracking on calling me a moron because I didn’t think Simmons will be a HOF. From your previous post, you must think 100% that he’s going to be in the HOF if you’re going to call me an idiot because I don’t think he will. You don’t sound so confident now. His only probably is injuries? I think that’s going to become a huge problem as he gets older. Very few players actually improve or maintain their game, especially defense, as they get older and lose their range, abilities, and arm. Good luck with thinking Simmons is going to total another 30 WAR over the next nine seasons.
Why are you talking about last year? WTH does last year run difference have to do with what the teams are doing right now? The data is in what the teams are doing right now, not last year. Seriously? LOL.
If he continues his trajectory he can be hall of fame. According to you that’s a forgone conclusion and he has no chance. Can I predict he won’t suffer a severe injury? No. Ozzie smith missed 30 games twice in his prime and 3/4 last seasons he played. But what he has done so far is damn convincing. You probably think Braves won that trade too. Again you picked padres and how did that work out?
Mentioning last year because your weak argument that dodgers haven’t played anyone hasn’t held up. Looking at larger body of work against everyone dodgers are wayyyyyy better than Braves. It’s seems like your brain won’t let you understand 274> 103 and 136 > 60. Pretty simple
Don’t put your money on a player repeating what he did in his 20’s to across his entire 30’s just for a chance to make the HOF. You’ll be sadly disappointed.
Again, they played the Brewers and barely won both games LOL.
Run difference is just as much indicative of a teams pitching as it’s offense. No one is denying the Braves starters were terrible in the regular season, that does not make the Braves offense bad or regular, as you are trying to argue. Again:
Average: Braves 2, Dodgers 8
On base: Braves 1, Dodgers 4
Slugging: Braves 1, Dodgers 1 (tied)
OPS: Braves 1, Dodgers 2
Runs scored: 2, Dodgers 1 (by a single run)
Braves offensive numbers > Dodgers offensive numbers.
Feel free to once try and counter anything I’ve said instead of ignoring it and posting random crap about run difference from last season.
Run differential is including runs prevented and runs scored. Both offense and pitching are included.
Using a small 60 game season to support your weak argument lol. Missing turner for most of season and slumps from muncy and bellinger. But okay disregard last years stats against the entire league lol
Also curious where Braves And dodgers stand in pitching rankings?
This includes bullpen
Dodgers 1 3.03 era
Braves 15 4.40 era
Let’s revisit after Braves go home in game 5. I’ll be interested to see where you stand.
Okay so what your saying is you value offensive output in a small sample size season over the larger body of work including pitching which is half of the sport. Got it. But keep shouting about ops and obp! Dodgers top rated offense and pitching versus Braves top rated offense with no pitching.
No, what I’m saying is that what happened last year doesn’t matter for what is going to happen in the next seven games. You can’t take something from a year ago and think it is going to apply for a seven game stretch a year later. That doesn’t make sense. Different teams. Different players. Different scenarios. Players are at different points.
Again, no one is denying the Braves starting pitching was bad during the regular season. Their bullpen tied with the Orioles for the highest RP WAR in the MLB. Braves bullpen >>> Dodgers bullpen (remind me again, who is your closer for this series?).
Fried, Anderson, and Wright have been amazing in the playoffs and the two weeks before the playoffs. Are they going to keep throwing shutouts? No, but the pitching is a lot better right now than what it was during the regular season.
And glad to see that you’re coming around that the Braves offense isn’t “regular”. First time looking at baseball stats for this season other than the Dodgers?
Yes, the Dodgers fans feel threatened, as they should
Why do you think the Dodgers are afraid of competition? Has it been so long since you’ve rooted for a contender, you think competition is bad?? LOL we know that answer is yes
I’d rather face a division with multiple good teams than just crap. Prepares you way better for October. Spoiler, LA doesn’t give a damn about the regular season. Everything is about October. So Padres being good… isn’t bad
The fact you refuse to grasp this concept just shows you aren’t used to winning.
Go ahead. Run for the division. Make September interesting. Maybe playing meaningful games for the last 2 months of the year can prepare them better for Oct pressure. Oh no, they may win 100 not 106
But keep telling yourself that the Dodgers are terrified Vegas, whatever helps you sleep at night
And guess what? The Rockies did it, then faded. The D-backs did it, then faded. The giants are the padres in 2015 or so. Your turn!
And the dodgers are still here. Bring it on bud. We aren’t afraid. LAD handles Tatis and Machado like the children they constantly act like. Let’s go
Comments like that, are why dodger fans rip into padre fans btw
To all the morons who think dodger fans get mad at nothing. Being told I’m scared of you. Yeah I’m gonna answer. Buck up
That’s what you get for expecting common sense from someone whose user name is Commonsenseslapsyou.
Now I’m required to read every comment in order to post? Who made you gatekeeper?
I just said I don’t agree with most of what he posts. Just because he’s a dodger fan doesn’t mean we have to universally agree. I think everything he’s said about Braves offense is wrong. But he’s allowed an opinion just like you
Call him out too if you disagree. Idgaf. It’s not my responsibility. I’m saying why I reply to comments like “the dodgers are threatened, and they should be”
Or Bellinger sucks in the postseason even tho he just hit over 300 in a playoff series against the same team who’s fans are talking smack
Or more so, when Javia starts with the insults when i hadn’t said a word to him in 3 days.
Then yea. I’m going to answer
Again Javia, only a moron thinks competition is a bad thing
Or someone insecure about how good their team is
Bring it on. It’ll make the 2nd half more interesting. If the padres can hold up
I see you are just going to ignore what both Briffle and I said. imindless takes shots at the Padres or other teams fans with every single post. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Feel free to check. So yeah, we are responding to insults thrown at us. If you want to take shots at Padres and Braves fans, perhaps you should look at what you and other Dodgers fans have posted to us before you get butt-hurt and try to act like a victim. You are anything but.
He said I ignored mindless. What? I have to yell at everyone if I want to say anything? gtfo. Who named you guys thread kings?
I don’t have to read mindless. I don’t have to agree with mindless. I don’t have to talk to mindless. If you noticed, I almost never do talk to him
But YOU Javia, take shots AT ME when I’m not talking to you. Just because you’re mad at mindless DOESNT justify the crap you’ve said to me. Small dick, insecure, etc.
Again. I’m not mindless’s caretaker. Idgaf what he does. He’s a grown man. But his stuff doesn’t justify you coming at me
THATS MY beef. How about you just stop talking to me Javia? I DONT LIKE YOU. Because you have proven you can’t talk without taking shots. I’m done with your BS. I can cite the comments if you need me to. But you have been a POS to me
Look at his name Javia. Then ignore everything he says. The name says it all.
Lmao. Yeah because I justify my opinions with actual facts
How dare I?!?
Padre fans are becoming so boring
I don’t have any beef with you Common, I just found it interesting that you’re calling out the Padres fan base on this board and yet you have a representative of the Dodger fan base mindlessly (see what I did there) spouting off ignorant statement and after ignorant statement and then starting with the personal attacks that weren’t warranted.
Again, you’re making it seem like the only way I am allowed to call out one person for saying something dumb is if I call out all Stupid things posted here
Please, tell me. Who else do you hold to this ridiculous standard?
Spoiler. No one
I already said multiple times I don’t agree with him. The Braves are going to be a very good opponent. But I don’t HAVE to do anything here. I don’t need to jump into a 70 comment sub thread to say “I disagree” to please you Briffle
And I resent you trying to imply I am obligated to do so
You’re one of 3 people today trying to tell me how to post on a freakin free baseball website. Random ass fans telling me what’s right or wrong as another fan. WHO TF ARE YOU? (Wanted to make sure you saw that one)
It’s BS and you know I wanna say a lot more that would get blocked. I don’t owe you anything. So backtrack however much you want, Im starting to develop a problem with you at this point for talking to me like a damn child
I don’t really feel like I was telling you how to post or how not to post, more so pointing out the hypocrisy in what you were doing, telling you how to post wasn’t my intention. Please point out where I said that you had to post a certain way. Just because I pointed out you not calling out mindless doesn’t mean I’m telling you how to post. It sounds like you have some pent up anger about that and you’re taking it out on me.
Feel free to call or not call out anyone you feel like. Although, I’m not sure how you don’t expect people to call you out for blatantly ignoring the ignorance in your own fan base when what you are doing is calling out THE EXACT SAME THING. Apparently I’m not the only one who thinks this way if you have other people telling you the same thing.
Cmon man. You were saying the only way I’m allowed to say something about one poster is if I call out dodger fans who you feel like are trolls
I’m not a troll keeper. I’m a dodger fan. I’m going to answer arguments I care about
Why do I need to yell mindless “you’re wrong” when 5 other people are already on him? I don’t.
I will answer people who tout national talking points About my team, yeah. And point out how stupid it is coming from them. If they don’t want the reply, maybe find something more original to say? But why do you have the right to say anything about what I should be posting? You don’t
“funny you said this after not saying about the ignorant stuff mindless said”
How TF isn’t that “you need to comment on both if you want to talk about either”. I don’t need you to tell me how to post
Bauer???
What about Bauer? What do you mean?
Bauer and Clevinger are close friends. I’m sure Trevor wouldn’t mind playing in San Diego. But I doubt the Padres want to spend the kind of money it would take to get the deal done.
Yea, especially with an already loaded rotation. Clevinger, Paddack, Lamet, Davies, Lucchesi, Morejon, Patino, Weathers, and Gore. I dobut adding starting pitching is on their to-do list.
People forget too that those guys are still young. 21 and 22 year olds are by nature going to be a little erratic once they’re in the majors. If you get one that age who has it all together, you’re probably going to have an elite pitcher in a few years.
If Clev and Lament are healthy I’d rather spend 40 million on a bat / outfielder than 1 year if an every 5th day pitcher (even a great one). Reds proved if you cant score any runs what good is 7+ and 0 runs. Clev and Lament are both 1’s when healthy, Morejon and Daviess are 3/4 and then Paddack, Luchesi, Whoever they might pick up on the rebound (Kluber?), Patiño for the 5 – and then of course, there is Gore.
True but if your pitching and defense gives up 5 plus a night what good is a offense that gives you 4.
What I said was if you have health Clev and Lament – you have 2 sub 3 era pitchers that won’t give up 5. pads d isn’t that bad.
Tatis had several errors in the match up against dodgers. Dude is a terrible defender, along with myers and nola.
Defensive stats like OutsAboveAverage would disagree with you. Statistically Tatis was the 3rd worst SS in mlb last year. This year? He is tied for first in OAA with 7. He is tied with Luis Robert, Jackie Bradley Jr and Nolan Arenado and is first among mlb SS. Those are some pretty good defensive players he is tied with, aren’t they? He has greatly improved his defense this year.
Not in postseason. Serveral arid throws that cost padres runs. Again going on a 60 game season larger body of works say otherwise. Eventually the move to 3rd seems likely.
mindless – a hahaha. No clue
Reading is fundamental @schellis. If Clevinger and Lamet are healthy the Padres won’t be giving up 5 runs a night. With Davies that is 3 guys with an ERA of 3 or lower.
Lamet – 2.09
Davies – 2.73
Clevinger – 2.84
Padres averaged 5.41 Runs per game.
Lamet is a number 1? You might want to slow your roll. The guy has had one good 1/3 of season. Of his 12 starts he had 8 in Petco and 2 in Oracle both pitchers parks. Let’s see what he does for a full season before he is anointed a number 1.
They aren’t adding to the payroll, gents.
Exactly. Machado, Hosmer, Pomeranz and Myers are eating up a ton of payroll. They will have to use remaining money to keep their players. Big free agents aren’t coming.
Plus they have to pay Clevinger who’s going to arbitration. Myopic Padre fans think Bauer I’d in their future
They are going to need to lock up Tatis at some point in order to avoid a Francisco Lindor type situation down the road. Good players cost money, but a good product on the field also excites the fan base, which generates revenue and makes the club’s value go up.
10 years, $250 million?
50 million less than Manny makes? I’m thinking it’s gonna take more than that, no matter how much Tatis loves San Diego. If they don’t give him a Mookie sized deal in a year or two, he will wind up being a FA when he’s 25 years old.
That’s not happening he gone
He is making league minimum the next 2 years. If everything goes right for him the next 5 years he will make $60, MAYBE $70 million. Subtract that from the total and he is making $36 million per year for the next 5 years. If you increase his offer to 10 years for $300 million, he is essentially being paid at a $46 million per year level. It’s about getting up front money versus having to wait.
I’m not convinced they will be able to lock up Tatis. I’m sorry, don’t come for me.
DrDan75, At least Tatis Jr. is not arbitration eligible until the 2022 season. The Padres have a little time to sort things out. Certainly though, the sooner the better.
According to Acee they won’t be lowering payroll either and they had a $155 million payroll in 2020 with Castro, Profar, Yates, Rosenthal, Richards, and others coming off the payroll.
As of today with no arbitration raises included the Padres go into 2021 at about $90 million. If they pick up the option on Moreland (which is doubtful unless the DH comes back in 2021) and all the arbitration cases go the players way then the Padres have another $45-46 million in salary on top of that. A total of $135-136 million.
They definitely have wiggle room. Not Bauer wiggle room, but $20 million is plenty to add a closer and a couple of other complementary pieces to an already very good team.
Rosenthal for $8 million. A backup INF and OF. Plenty of money for that. We don’t need any new starting position players or pitchers other than Rosenthal. We have Morejon, Patino, Gore, Weathers and even Baez to compete for our #5 starter. The Padres don’t need Bauer. Sure they could use him. Any team could. But they don’t need him. I am like you. I expect one of the closers to be re-signed and then just minor pickups.
Let me guess. Bauer only has one good season?
That is one reason yes. He is somewhat of a risk. Is this the new him or is it just a hot stretch? Kind of like Dinelson Lamet whose performance this year many people have questioned. Yet Lamet has a lower lifetime ERA than Bauer does at this point. Whatever. The main point is that Bauer is just too expensive!
So what went wrong with Paddack this season?
The spin rate on his fastball was down and it lost its life.
Magnum, “So what went wrong with Paddack this season?” Great question! ‘The Sheriff’ had a mechanical hitch there was in his giddy-up. The Padres know they have to FIX this. Is the fix in Chris Paddack’s head, or is he still injured? He did have an ankle injury this season. I guess we’ll find out soon enough. He was the opening day starter, so I am staying optimistic.
Paddack was seriously overhyped when he first came to the bigs.
Given dumb nickname called “incredible” by Padre fans who put stock into ST #’s
Control of his fastball. The spin rate dropped as well. Sophomore slump. He will be back and will settle into the middle of that rotation behind Clevinger and Lamet if both are healthy.
Gotta have 5 strong starters to match up with the Dodgers.
Need to add a lot more than that. Couple of bullpen arms and perhaps a dh and catcher that can actually hit. Nola and Moreland are trash. Should have kept ty France honestly.
Nah
imindless,
What you need to do is outplay the Dodgers four games in a seven game series. This is baseball, if history has shown us, that’s very very possible.
We see that every year when the Dodgers lose in the playoffs even though they have the better team on paper.
Comments like this
From padre fans
The reason Dodger fans come at you
You still haven’t made it through 162 competitive. You have no ground to stand on
Dodger fans sure get defensive about the truth being spoken about the team they root for. 1988 is their last ring. $2.5 billion spent since 2013 and how many rings exactly? That’s a half billion more than #2 and more than double what the Padres have spent for the same WS result. NO RINGS.
Lol. At least you started at 13 when it’s a real conversation instead of pretending McCourt tried to win anything
We also have been to the World Series twice and the LCS 4x.. in 7 years
You haven’t won a real playoff series. You haven’t qualified for the playoffs in a full year. Is it equal? Only an idiot thinks LA and SD have had the same level of success since 2013. So sure. Whatever you say
You tell ’em Koamalu!
So it is not an elbow strain, like initially reported?
No. Elbow strain is the report that came out right after the game. His elbow was swollen and it was just a guess. A few days later after the swelling went down it was reclassified as an elbow impingement.
An honest analysis would be that not facing Lament and Clevinger gave the dodgers an easy path.
Agree that Pads won’t spend and really hoe they don’t but, looking at payroll they do have a lot coming off books. Use it to extend Tatis is my thought. I was only responding to the “Bauer” suggestion of Magnum.
Ugh pads not “apart”
The next challenge for the Padres is proving they can do it over 162 games (or however many games constitute a fuller schedule in 2021). Aside from Machado and Tatis, there are plenty of question marks on offense and at defensive positions like catcher, second base, and first base (Hosmer’s defensive decline is troubling). The pitching staff also needs to show it can handle the rigors of a full season. Young players tend to hit speed bumps, and the Padres will have quite a few youngsters in 2021. Their depth is also questionable. The good teams find ways to hold down the fort when key players get hurt. What would happen to the Padres if one of their stars missed a significant amount of time?
Thank you!!!! Relying on cronenworth, Grisham’s emergence with no slumps is unsustainable. Also career years at the plate from manny, hosmer and wil myers. They have a few good pieces but over 162 could be a struggle to sustain, only time will tell if they can prove to be a presence in the west.
Also worth mentioning the giants looked great this season and had the emergence of some good young players like yaz. Giants always put together quality teams especially with Farhan at the helm I expect them to be back sooner then later.
“Career years at the plate from Manny?”
Err… what? 2020 was what he usually does. 2019 was the outlier
Manny career ops+ 121 this year 158. Congrats on being able to read. One half season the year he was traded to dodgers did he produce anything close to this. He is typically slightly above average with the bat.
Cmon man
He was 35% better this year than his career averages
He also is the player who historically checks out in long seasons
Yeah. Career year is pretty on point
Hit .177 in WS for Dodgers he’s 300 mil nightmare
It’s pretty well established LA will pay to keep stars they want to stay. Kershaw, Rich Hill a few years ago, Kenley, JT, Mookie now. Heck even someone like Freese
The fact the didn’t even try to keep Manny, let alone get close to his final contract offer, says a lot
Manny is such a punk. If the Dodgers hadn’t already decided not to resign him they did after his little stunt he did to Aguilar.
He is can’t argue he started something Graterol who was celebrating facing team not showing up Padres. Machado had to stick his beak and look over then f bombs
Machado hits homer then talks crap running the bases you hit .167 clown you are a .200 postseason hitter. He’s trying to fire up team? They are in postseason if they aren’t fired up then they have bigger issues
Yankees and Dodgers didn’t want him now Padres stuck with him next 8 years
@padreforlife You are doing that too much. Try again in 10 months.
@Commonsenseslapsyou and Briffle the Dodgers didn’t sign Manny because they didn’t have to. They had better things to spend $300m+ on than another 3rd baseman when they already had one they liked in Justin Turner. All he was to them was a stopgap while Corey Seager was out with TJS. There’s a reason they weren’t even mentioned as a possible trade suitor for the guy until Seager got injured.
@imindless “Career year” implies that the dude wasn’t a perennial All Star before 2020. He was. Way better than just “slightly above average.”
If Dodgers liked Machado they would of moved Turner who’s gone after this year to 1B. Machado wanted to play for Yankees who had zero interest
@mike. Just look at the numbers
OPS+. 100 average. Anything above is % above league average. Here’s Manny
98
102
110
132
130
108
145
110
158
So yeah. He was above average. An all star. 2020 was still an outlier. He wasn’t even this good when he was trying to make 300M.
13% better than 18. 26% better than any other year!
How about you check your stats before claiming people are ignorant, twerp? Kinda a dk thing to say to an adult huh? Yeah hahaha
Be better if you’re gonna troll
@Cominsenseslapsyou imindless said that Manny was “slightly above average” for his career. 121 is more than just slightly. And him being better this year than in his contract year should put an end to the “headcase only trying because he wants $300m next offseason” narrative.
The twerp comment was to padreforlife, who is certainly NOT an adult. But then again, neither are you.
Grisham is average at best pimps homer since then Padres lost 5 straight to Dodgers
This is positive news on Mike Clevinger!
According to the SD Union Tribune, less is known about Lamet. The best news right now on Lament is that he was CLEARED to continue throwing, in an attempt to pitch in the postseason. Something modest to stay positive about. Still, Lamet is behind Clevinger in his recovery from a biceps/elbow issue that shut him down Sept. 25.
Machado is useless when it counts .200 postseason hitter just starts drama