Typically one for bold and confident statements, Mets GM Brodie Van Wagenen offered a more measured approach when asked about the trade deadline this week, per Newsday’s Tim Healey. While the Mets will be open to making improvements, Van Wagenen spoke of exercising caution and being “responsible for the future of the organization.” The agent-turned-GM added that he expects other clubs to take a similarly conservative approach due to the short nature of the 2020 season — particularly the post-deadline period. None of this rules out a move of note for the Mets, and Van Wagenen went to the oft-used “opportunistic” as an adjective to describe his mentality as Monday’s deadline loom.
The Mets dropped both games of yesterday’s doubleheader against the Marlins, falling to 12-16 in the process. However, they’re part of a tightly bunched group of NL clubs with mediocre records. The Pirates are currently the only team in the NL more than 2.5 games back from a potential playoff spot.
Some more trade chatter from around the game…
- The Twins are tied with the Rays for the second-best record in the American League, but a major move to further separate them from the pack may not be in the offing. President of baseball operations Derek Falvey instead emphasized to Phil Miller of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune the importance of getting some key internal reinforcements in the near future. Righty Michael Pineda will be eligible to return from a reduced PED suspension Sunday, adding a big arm to the club’s rotation mix. Likewise, third baseman Josh Donaldson, out for much of this month with a calf issue, is nearing a return. Falvey acknowledged taking an overly “conservative” approach to Donaldson’s rehab, given his history of calf troubles and the desire to have him at 100 percent for the playoff push. The Twins are open to trade opportunities, of course, but don’t seem as pressed to make a move thanks to their strong start and existing depth.
- On the opposite side of the coin, Pirates general manager Ben Cherington is “trying to sell everything,” one rival executive tells Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. That’s hardly a surprise given the Pirates’ miserable start to the 2020 season and the recent regime change that installed Cherington atop the baseball ops hierarchy. Cherington will have a difficult line to walk as his best chips (Keone Kela and Joe Musgrove) have injury concern while others who should be appealing (e.g. Gregory Polanco, Josh Bell, Adam Frazier) have gotten out to disastrous starts that will likely weaken the offers submitted by other clubs (or eliminate interest entirely).
- Christian Vazquez knows that the Red Sox will be fielding offers for him over the next five days, writes Alex Speier of the Boston Globe, but he hopes to remain in Boston and says he’d prefer to spend his whole career with the Sox. That’s obviously out of his control at the moment, with the Sox likely willing to move just about anyone outside of Xander Bogaerts and Rafael Devers. As Speier examines, the history of starting catchers changing hands and making a sizable impact during deadline season is more limited than some might think. Vazquez himself weighed in on the challenges that would exist in jumping to a new club and trying to educate himself on a new pitching staff and build a rapport with so many new arms, likening it to being a “rookie” all over again. Vazquez is guaranteed $6.25MM in 2021 and has a $7MM option for the 2022 season, though, which does make him a rather appealing trade target for clubs with catching needs that span beyond 2020.
dlevin11
Wish Sox could pickup Zac Plesac from Indians
DarkSide830
they wish they can
The Human Toilet
White Sox would have to give up the farm for him.
anarchoburrito
Pass.
Marsot91
Wich sox?
Marsot91
Wich sox?
johnnydubz
Mets could’ve had Bloom and went with Brodie. It doesn’t matter since baseball is not a sport but just sports entertainment like WWE or NBA as Astros confirmed it.
DarkSide830
well that’s jumping to conclusions
Marvels MAGA Man
I mean, they’re not wrong. Cheating and breaking the rules doesn’t get players punished.
WWE and most wrestling has made up rules and ones they do have aren’t always enforced.
NBA, like the NFL, doesn’t always call fouls correctly. Superstars get special treatment, like James Harden, concerning foul calling.
DarkSide830
yeah but i dont think the Astros situation makes it all contrived or something. if it was contrived then guys wouldnt get life bans (and just because Luhnow and Hinch didnt doesnt mean they dont or wolnt do it ever again)
johnnydubz
@Darkside830 except for the fact ARod is being allowed to bid on a team. Why not Pete Rose? They allowed Jeter to own a team even though he committed Tax Fraud. They forced McCourt to sell the team because he couldn’t afford the Dodgers but Wilpons in same scenario that’s okay. Why did none of the players protest playing until the Astros players were banned for life? Baseball hasn’t been a sport since 94
JoeBrady
People cheat. Get use to it. Have you been following baseball for the past 26 years, even though it is no longer a sport?
luckyh
Not even that he cheated. He sued everyone, tried to destroy careers, all to save his lying arse. That’s why I can’t stand Rose as well. Don’t try to destroy others when you get caught.
johnnydubz
@JoeBrady yes I have which is why I laugh at Yankees fans of all people complaining about cheating. My favorite is Dodgers getting upset when Chase Utley was allowed to attack Tejada facing Left Center field. Joe Torre the man who has a ax to grind with the Mets gave him the Dodger pass because he managed HGH Mannywood
Joggin’George
Your first sentence was great. After that….
LongTimeFan1
@jognnydubz,
No matter what Mets do, people complain against it. If they hired Bloom and Mets struggled like the Red Sox, people would bash. If Mets traded their best position player like Bloom did in Betts, people would Mets bash.
DarkSide830
except hiring an agent as a GM doesnt make any sense. its not really not hiring Bloom as it is hiring BVW.
whynot 2
The GM can come from any background. I don’t understand how having been an agent precludes someone from having the skills to be successful in the role
dugmet
Makes a lot of sense to open minded people.
seaver41
Bottom line is Brodie blows and needs to go
rocky7
That makes as much sense as saying a former player isn’t really capable of managing or being a GM.
johnnydubz
@whynot what happens when the agent turned GM does right by his former clients and not the team or the fan base? He traded a top prospect for 5 years of Cano’s terrible contract. Mets should’ve gotten top prospect taking on that PED POS. Gave Lowrie money as a former client and he has been invisible for two years.
JoeBrady
“He traded a top prospect for 5 years of Cano’s terrible contract.”
That is an incredibly ignorant statement. With 10 seconds worth of research, you’d have realized that he traded for Diaz, and Cano was part of the price he had to pay.
A bad trade, to be sure, but how could you possibly not know that Diaz was major part of that trade?
johnnydubz
@JoeBrady Edwin Diaz was a piece but like KRod was expected to be garbage under pressure. The main piece according to the media was Cano and it shows. Ignorance is you expected the Mets winning WS in 19 or 20 with Diaz. Any smart GM saw it’s DeGrom and bunch of garbage so why trade for a closer on a loser team. How Marcus Stroman work out?
lowtalker1
Bloom would have rebuilt and not traded for cano
James Solomon
I totally agree as they should have realized that they were never going to catch the Braves who were 13 games better with only 111 games from acuna. They just had a 2b come up and looked the part in McNeil and then replaced him. 1-2 years away from removing ALL bad contracts and players finally in the right position with a potential stud CF almost ready to come up.
I blame the Wilpons because they probably wanted a GM who would go for it but BVW definitely got hosed on that deal
steve43
Can players that oped out be traded?
StPeteStingRays
Great question! I’ll stay tuned for an answer
Rangers29
I’d assume “opting out of all baseball activities” means opting out of trades too. I’d assume that there’s ugh… “”””unwritten rules”””” about not trading for a player who opted out.
5TUNT1N
Thought you had to be on the 60 man to be traded. So actively participating in the season players are the only ones to be traded was my understanding.
ronnsnow
I’m not against the Pirates trading Bell, in fact I was hoping Cherrington would have pulled the trigger in the offseason. But his value is low right now with him not hitting.
Trevor Williams may be their best trade piece right now. Kuhl is a guy they should absolutely hold onto though.
DarkSide830
i think the Pirates should certainly explore a Kuhl trade, but id agree on not trading him if they dont get a good offer. however, if someone really thinks this version of Kuhl (sub 3.00 ERA) is what Kuhl will be going forward and offers a package to match, you’d have to consider it.
StPeteStingRays
I’m going out on a limb in saying that the pirates hang up on TB…
rickoppelt
Haha
Perksy
Glasnow/Meadows for Archer – the heist of the century
rangers13
Rangers would be interested in Bell and one of the pitchers, perhaps Heineman and Apostel, Bahr for him.
Rangers29
I still think that we should give Guzman a better look, over Santana this next month before jumping to trades. I know Bell’s stock is down, but I’d sure love to see Guzman at first (especially with his defense) over a new guy trying to find his swing, that doesn’t have good defense.
Lovinmlb
Bell would of been gone early this year but no market for him. Every contender was set at dh, why JD didn’t opt out. He is a star player, marketing wise, not player wise.
Simodine
They have to be on the 60 man roster. Though they could be as a player to be named later.
StPeteStingRays
Vazquez to the Rays for a bucket of fresh clams. They love the chowdah
madmc44
Vaz will not be traded to the Rays but to Cleveland for Plesac. is a thought;
It will obviously take more than Vaz..
I like the idea of Bloom’s floating ideas knowing that’s not who’s going.
I have seen enough Kyle Hart. Send him back to Pawtucket to hone his skills-maybe a call up later.
In the meantime let’s see what Houck and Mata might have to offer. This is an experimental year for the Sox they are out of it–let’s make the most of the opportunity. I’d like to see Dalbec and Durran also.
StPeteStingRays
I was kidding. Just semi-trolling the fans of the well-deserved, last-place red sox…
thetech
Pawtucket has seen its last Red Sox game. They start in Worcester next season. So maybe send Hart there. Lol
madmc44
Pawtucket is the Alternate Training Site for the Red Sox. I guess the players are getting in their workouts .I did know the new AAA field will be in Worcester..
Sasha C. Handelman
It’s called the “bridge year”
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Or they could be the Rays and have a “bridge decade.”
StPeteStingRays
Nice try, Gary. I’d be hurt too if the red Sox have been in last place more than the Rays have in the last 10 years. Besides, the Rays have never had a bridge decade. The devil Rays yes, but not since 2008!
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Fortunately I’m a Red Sox fan and they open their wallets. Makes it easy over the years even though we’ve had a lot of tough years and seem to be looking up at the Yankees more often than not.
But it can be exciting because they will spend money. It would be tough to be a Rays fan they don’t really go out and shop for the best free agent Talent. But I guess it would be fun to watch homegrown guys grow and mature and become ballplayers. I understand it.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
I’m just gloating over 4 championships in the last 16 or 17 years. Trust me in my lifetime the 80s and the 90s were extremely rough.
JoeBrady
I’d be hurt too
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I’m not hurting. I have 4 WSCs in the past 16 years. If we have to reset once every five years, I will not grieve. To me, I look forward to years like this. I wish we had a few more trading chips, but such is life.
rocky7
Way over valuing Vasquez and it would seem Indians fans think Plesac is Cy Young to be!
Vasquez has come back to earth with his bat, and defensive catchers aren’t going to headline a major trade….and besides what else does Boston have to trade other than Devers or Bogerts and that probably isn’t happening unless the is something substantial the Indians include in a trade.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
I’m hoping the entire Bullpen is gone. Those guys are tradable for some kind of asset. Too bad Matt Barnes is super terrible lately making it tough to deal him for anything good.
madmc44
The Sox Pen has 5 somewhat dependable pieces.
Barnes, Darwinzon, Josh Taylor, Brasiere and Colter.
None of which would be mistaken for Craig Kimbrel.
They are decent but beyond that they have 8 castoffs.
JoeBrady
Darwizon, imho, is awesome. Walks a lot, but is virtually unhittable.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
What about the bullpen Falvey????
CNichols
Forearm tightness sounds like code for an elbow problem, so I hope Kela is truly alright. He needs a good appearance or two before the deadline to assure everyone that he’s not going to spend the rest of the year on the IL.
I think the Padres would be a great fit though. A package of him and Rodriguez makes some sense so that SD gets a non-rental as well.
Dorothy_Mantooth
With Kela’s injury, he’ll only get traded for a PTBNL. If he stays healthy, they’ll get their primary prospect, but if he goes on the IL and cannot contribute, Pitt will get a much lesser prospect in the deal.
MarlinsFanBase
What ever happened to MetsFan22? Seems like he’s been absent this year. I wonder why.
I can go search for him, but I think I have a better chance of finding Bigfoot, Elvis, Tupac and aliens before finding him right now.
StPeteStingRays
Let me know if you run across any disembarked-bandwagon boston fans, will ya?
MarlinsFanBase
I think they’re hiding in Tampa with Tom Brady, with their crisp brand new Rays jerseys.
Rangers29
I think I caught a glimpse of him yesterday, but it was to quick to tell…
MarlinsFanBase
I think I saw the video. I think the guy admitted he was wearing a costume and that it was a hoax. So, the search for MetsFan22 continues.
James1955
Mets fans enjoy complaining. No mater what the Mets do, their fans will complain.
MarlinsFanBase
While that is true for many, MetsFan22 was one of the blind homers. Complete Nimmo fanboy. Finds greatness in everything Mets. Best pitching; best hitting; best manager; best coaching staff; best GM; best broadcast team; best mascot; best beer vendors. And when something fails, it’s always some excuse like injuries or the classic “not living up to potential” excuse.
Oh where oh where can he be? I’m truly shocked by his absence right now… Even though I predicted it before.
gofish 2
Probably got whiplash from watching Berti on the bases last night.
parkers
Mr. Marlins fanBase. Don’t you realize the advantage your team has? Since no , one can come to the games, your team is used to no one being there or even caring. The rest of the league is trying to readjust. I hope you guys win it all and then do your next fire sale. That is certainly one thing you are experts at.
parkers
Marlins Are on a roll. Since nobody in south Florida cares, they will probably hope that this no fan thing can be extended. This way they won’t have to make excuses to any live fans for this years fire sale. Marlins are in line to break the record for fire sales after losing money.
joew
LOL pirates selling everything eh?
Bell has no real value right now. let him build value and look at the off season.
Frazier, has no real value right now. let him build value and look at the off season
Polanco, bat is coming around a bit. If someone wants to give something not the worst then maybe take it.
Dyson, little value but why keep. take what someone offers. Tucker is learning the OF fairly well.
Williams, doesn’t have a lot of value right now. See if he comes around and maybe look at the off season.
Kuhl and Brault do not have a lot of value, likely won’t build up that value a lot. Someone wants to give up a bit to get them. strongly consider it.
Erik Gonzales has a decent amount of value. He’s hitting pretty decently and has a +glove with some control.
Kela no real value but no real value here either take what you can get. milb depth, cash or bonus pool.
Musgrove, not a lot of value but has good upside. I give him time and then maybe look on the off season.
I greatly want to keep Musgrove and Williams. Pirates don’t have much for the 2021 rotation. Tailon, Keller and ???? IMO keep Musgrove and Williams and maybe resign archer at a cheap rate. Of course someone wants to pony up to their potential instead of their recent performance then… yeah… do it.
Everyone else who is starting from time to time… keep if they have some control