AUG. 31: The Blue Jays “don’t seem to be heavily involved on Clevinger,” according to Heyman, who lists the Padres, Braves and perhaps the White Sox as teams that appear to be in the mix.
AUG. 30, 9:48PM: The Blue Jays also have interest in Clevinger, Heyman tweets, but it isn’t known if Toronto is the “mystery team.”
8:07PM: Speculation continues to swirl about a possible Mike Clevinger trade, with multiple reports surfacing earlier tonight that the Padres had seemingly moved into the driver’s seat for the Indians righty. The most recent word, however, is that other teams may have pulled ahead of San Diego, as USA Today’s Bob Nightengale (Twitter links) reports that the Tribe “have requested players’ physicals from at least two teams” but haven’t asked the Padres to submit such information.
A mystery team has made a better offer for Clevinger than the Padres, Nightengale writes. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (Twitter links) reported earlier tonight that the Braves were still in the Clevinger sweepstakes even though the Padres were the “frontrunners” at the time, and two rival executives told Feinsand that Atlanta could very well be the team “making an aggressive play” to now top San Diego’s offer. Top outfield prospect Drew Waters was reportedly part of the Indians’ trade ask from the Braves, according to MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (via Twitter).
The Padres don’t seem to be willing to move either Trent Grisham or Jake Cronenworth, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (Twitter links), which could be a roadblock in a potential Clevinger trade. Also from Heyman, the Yankees don’t appear to be the mystery team in the Clevinger hunt, as there is “no belief anything’s close” between New York and Cleveland.
The White Sox and Dodgers were also rumored to be interested in Clevinger earlier today, and with this much buzz around the right-hander, one wonders how close Cleveland might get to someone meeting its reportedly “ridiculous” asking price in any Clevinger trade.
Why would we trade either of them who are already helping us so much for us to get in this spot
Agreed
I agree, Indians can go far this year.
Because the Indiana have no $, small market team. Lindor will be gone as well. Go Jays Go
This dude just said Cleveland is a small market
It is a small market in terms of baseball finances. No spectators in the stands aren’t affecting all teams equally. In Cleveland’s case, it was already a foregone conclusion that Lindor would be unaffordable. And that was before the pandemic. They simply don’t generate the revenue of many other franchises. How else do you explain this apparent Allstars-for-prospects strategy in a season where they are supposedly contenders? And remember: there is a strong possibility that the 2021 season will at least begin in empty ballparks.
Cleveland has one of the smallest markets in all of baseball. Detroit to the NW, cincy to the south, and Pittsburgh to the east. All are within a few hours drive
It won’t be the White Sox, they don’t like to pay market value for anything. Anything except’hype’, and that’s free.
When I was in Detroit visiting my Grandfather we could have drove to Cleveland in a coupler hrs? I am glad my parents didn’t do that to us. LolJust kidding.
It always amazes me how close stuff is on the EC. If I go to a game I drive about 2 hts to see it.. Would be cool to drive a couple hrs to see another team.
What a dumba$$ ; please go read a book you ignorant cub fan … nothing better to do than troll the white Sox? Pathetic
If you go to NY, Boston is 3 hours, philly is 2 and change from NY, and Baltimore is less than 2 from philly.
@WCSF
Cleveland IS a small market. Tiny population. Comparable to Tampa. Someone mentioned the proximity of NY, Boston, and Philadelphia. All of those have populations in the MILLIONS.
Cleveland has barely 385,000. It’s just a big town.
You still have to go all in when you have the assets. They traded their big guys last year. Trading more stars is just selling away their chances this year and making them a doormat.
They sent Tatis for Shields and are probably smarting from that move.
Yeah, and the White Sox traded Eaton for Giolito, Lopez and Dunning. Then they traded Quintana for Jimenez and Cease. Sometimes trades work out, sometimes they don’t. That’s baseball!
Well Lindor def isn’t going anywhere this year, seeing as they’re currently in the running for a playoff spot. Getting rid of an offensive weapon when you’re already struggling in that department is counter productive sooooooo yeah.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard today
For the same reason that the first place in their division Indians would trade Mike Clevinger
Cleveland has excess pitching and a PR problem in the clubhouse. Trading Clevinger would allow them to address their lack of offense. That is quite different than Lindor’s situation.
No they do not have excess pitching. And certainly not excess pitching that is better than Clevinger. There are other ways to address their lack of offense besides trading their #2 starter.
“We?” Which team do you represent? Or is there a mouse in your pocket?
Do you have a buzzer under your shirt?
It’s not really that complicated why Cleveland should trade a pitcher, even if it seems counter intuitive in a playoff race.
The amount of value Clevinger has to other teams is so much greater than he has to Cleveland.
Cleveland has a much more constrained payroll, so that affects things. Clevinger has only
about a million left this year, but probably $8-$10m next year and $13-$15m the following year.
Cleveland also is planning to probably trade Lindor this winter, and enter a 1-year-rebuild in 2021, So that wipes out about a third of Clevinger’s value to them.
There are multiple fringe-contention teams right now who would become real competitors with a top of the rotation upgrade, which is also artificially inflating his market value. Just typical supply and demand. The only sellers have turned out to be Orioles, Angels, Rangers— and Cleveland. Meanwhile you’ve got unlikely buyers like the Sox, Padres, Blue Jays, Brewers, and such joining more traditional buyers like the Yankees, Cubs, and Twins. Jumping into that lucrative market from a position of strength is a high value gamble.
Finally —and this is the biggest issue of all— Cleveland has a competitive advantage in this trade because they can replace most of Clevinger’s value internally.
Moving everyone on the ladder up one step, and giving Plesac and Plutko reliable starts is not a huge loss for y’all. Clevinger is like 3rd or fourth on your org chart, which is solidly 6 deep. Most teams are working with shaky rotations after the 2nd guy or evening the first guy, and Clevinger would slot in at 1 or 2 for almost every single team that’s looking at him.
When the value of an asset to you is much lower than it is to other people, you should probably sell it. Doesn’t matter if it’s a $5 sandwich that someone else who is hungry wants to spend $15 on, or if it’s a $5m house by the beach that someone else wants to spend $15m on.
If you have plenty of sandwiches and you also aren’t hungry, or if you don’t like sand and you don’t know how to swim, then you have an easy choice in front of you b/c you don’t place the same value on what you’ve got as (some) other people do.
Giving Plutko more starts at the expense of Clevinger is stupid, especially when the window is wide open to win. Trading Clevinger at this time would be a terrible mistake. Bieber and Clevinger as a tandem is one of the best, if not the best this year. Plutko is terrible by looking at stats and has been consistently terrible. Indians haven’t won since 1948. You play to win, not to cut payroll when you have the best chance of winning and still have years of control on the guy.
Last year was the big trade to get the team winnable and to cut payroll. The same results won’t happen from another payroll cut like this. Now is the time to win.
Plesac would get his spot if he gets traded, not Plutko.
@pwndroia nailed it.
Better to have Plesac AND Clevinger than Plesac and Plutko.
Heads up Braves and Braves nobody wants to trade for that scrub ender Inciarte esp their key pieces ! Somebody will only take Inciarte if Braves kick in a billion dollars In cash Strictly with 5 dollar bills ,
Is this the typical mystery team reporter?
Yes, this is all BS
Mystery team offered more but lost.
Clevinger will be a Brave by the time I wake up in the morning & it will be for less than what everybody thinks.
Riley, Contreras & Shewmake
As long as Inciarte ( he sucks ) isn’t in the deal Indians will live with it
Inciarte wouldn’t be a terrible throw in, especially if he can return to his gold glove days.
The Braves would have to pay down almost all of the money he’s still owed, especially to the Indians.
Inciarte just isn’t very good anymore. He hasn’t hit in a few years, and even his defense isn’t elite anymore. The Indians need someone that can provide offense.
Steeler, I doubt that will be enough to get him for two reasons. 1. The number of teams bidding for him. 2. If the Indians don’t get their price – they don’t have to trade him.
Riley has been a disappointment at the MLB level as have most of the Braves pitching prospects.
Slow your role on Riley being a disappointment, the kid just had to make some adjustments. So far, he is making the correct adjustments after starting off slow.
But it looks like Waters would be the centerpiece, probably along with Wright, Shewmake, and Davidson or one of their relief pitchers..
Lindor or Ramirez in it if Riley is in it,
Lmao I hope you’re being sarcastic, Riley has been incredibly unimpressive
OMG, I needed a good laugh. Thanks!
I’ll take that bet. I believe he will be a Brave by morning, but it will be for a whole lot more than Riley, Contreras, & Shewmake. Any team acquiring Clevinger will numerous fans than think they paid too much.
I hope you are right… but that’s very unlikely
steelerbravenation. We have heard that before. Then your team doesn’t get the player.
I just dont see Atlanta trading Riley unless they’re pretty confident that they can acquire another 3B by the deadline. No way they roll with Hechavarea (spelling?) or Culberson at 3rd until Ozzie comes back.
Riley, Contreras and Shewmake makes no sense for Cleveland as they need an MLB OF bat ASAP and those 3 guys play positions (C/3B/SS) the Tribes top prospects play or have covered.
Riley plays a good left field.
Yes but he’s primarily a 3B which is where their top prospect is and he isn’t the MLB plug in instant OF bat they covet.
they won’t be trading Riley
The Dodgers can top that offer without surrendering anyone in their top 10.
No they cant
I don’t think they’ll trade Riley. They liked him enough to let Donaldson in year when many starting third baseman (Rendon, Arenado, Donaldson, Moustakas, Bryant) were available in trade or free agency. He had a slow start but has started to turn it around.
I do think if the Braves acquire Clevinger, someone from the current MLB roster will be moved. I can’t see the Indians letting Clevinger walk in a year where they could very well make the World Series and not add at least someone for the playoff run. Obviously not as THE piece, but an outfielder like Duvall or a reliever might be a surprise name in the deal if Cleveland wants to add to THIS team. Pure speculation, of course.
Sad part is he has a better chance of winning a title as an Indian. Braves have little to no pitching and are coasting in a division where teams are underperforming.
Wrong, Steeler guy!
Padres shouldn’t move Grisham or Cronenworth for Clevinger.
Nor should they move Gore, Patino, or Abrams.
If the indians are expecting that hang up.
If someone has a better offer let them have him.
Yep
You’re not getting a guy of his talent and control for 2nd rate prospects or scrubs. Pony up
Not your call.
If he’s so talented why are the Indians trying to trade him?
Bc he wants to make some money probably
If he were really that talented it wouldn’t matter if he wanted to make money. He’s going to be paid below market value this year and the next 2 years anyway.
They aren’t trying to trade him, they are listening to offers to see if anyone overpays for him. Most information can be obtained from actually reading before hand
Because they are trying to trade from a position they have excellent depth in, and fill in some of their other holes.
Plus, right now, #1-#2 SPs are nonexistent on the market, so they should be able to get max value for Clevinger.
Also, we dont know how Clevinger was received back in their clubhouse, it could definitely play a role in him being more available than normal..
Because he is a locker room distraction and a potential cancer. The guy messed up. I personally think it was a dumb and dangerous thing to do, but it is forgivable if he is truly repentant. But I could see someone high risk like Carlos Carrasco being unable to “get over it” and welcome him back to the team. And I could see the rest of the team being potentially divided over the issue. And no matter how talented a guy is, if he breaks the team apart you need to get rid of him.
“Because they are trying to trade from a position they have excellent depth in, and fill in some of their other holes.”
Indians have no depth at SP. They only have three starters with ERA’s under 4 who have made at least 5 starts and only one (Shane Bieber) has a lower ERA than Mike Clevinger. If they trade him and one of their other starters gets injured or struggles, they’re gonna wish they still had him. If they want to fill holes, they can trade prospects to do so. Their window is closing so the Indians don’t need prospects anyway.
“Plus, right now, #1-#2 SPs are nonexistent on the market, so they should be able to get max value for Clevinger.”
It doesn’t matter if they can get max value for Clevinger unless they decide that prospects are worth more than championships. When even is the last time a team traded a pitcher of Clevinger’s caliber and then made a deep playoff run that season?
“If he’s so talented, why are the Indians trying to trade him.”
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I guess no talented player has ever been traded because “why would the team be trying to trade him if he’s so talented.” I guess Mookie Betts isn’t talented at all.
The Indians are deep deep with pitchers on both the major and minor league levels. They do not have to trade him but if they can trade him and get a bundle that they can control for five or six years they will do it. They will not give him away or take a lesser value. The only reason that they may trade him is that they can and still have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. Lindor will be gone after 2021 since he will be in the 25 to 30 million a year range and Cle simply cannot afford that.
Ry.the.Stunner the Red Sox are rebuilding. The Indians aren’t. There is no comparison. Players like Clevinger are exactly what Cleveland needs right now.
@brnsfan their pitching depth is overrated. Shane Bieber is their only starter with 5 or more starts this year and a lower ERA than Clevinger. And players with 5 or 6 years of control don’t do much for Cleveland because their window is closing.
Don’t think the Indians window is closing. Plesac, Civale, McKenzie, Bieber, and Carrasco all have years of control left. James Karinchak is going to be a lights out closer one day soon too. Lindor’s playing like garbage this year and they are where they are.
I don’t see a closing window. The central is not a juggernaut. They have as good of a chance as any team the next couple years.
@jbigz12 let’s not pretend that Lindor doesn’t make everyone around him play better, both in the lineup and in the field, even when he himself is slumping. You know what they say, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Youre not getting any of the guys mentioned above for 2 years of Clevinger.
Keep dreaming.
Trammel, Naylor, Morejon, and Arias is more than enough.
If cleveland gets a better offer cool. Good for them.
Padres being 1 less team to compete for him only drives the price down. Which is fine by me.
Thank goodness you and i aren’t GM’s
What would you say now that Trammell is gone in the Mariner trade?
I hope the Braves don’t have to trade Waters to get him.
They have to give up something good ! Ender Inciarte is a sorry trade piece for Indians
I agree. Ender won’t be included.
I don’t want him if it takes Waters But would move Pache for him
Ahhh, the infamous Braves fan debate of who do you keep Pache or Waters..lol..
I think the Indians see a little bit of their former fan and franchise favorite, Grady Sizemore in Waters. If Waters is able to stay healthy, he should easily become a consistent 20/20 guy with solid defense. The only questions with Waters are if he is going to be able to keep down his Ks, and if he will be able to learn to take some walks..
If the Braves complete the trade, I could see the Braves sending away Waters, Wright or Touki, Shewmake, and possibly a guy like Jenista or Trey Harris..
Do the Indians want the Braves almost busted pitching prospects?
That’s the question if they make a deal with them. Cleveland does a great job with arms. Touki looks like a reliever to me though. No control there.
Braves would make a lot of sense.
The Braves could send two or three of their pitching prospects who have stalled at AAA.
if your talking wright or toussaint, they would need to be secondary types…It will take a big time headliner
Do people really still think Touki has value? I’m not a Braves fan but I’d have to imagine his stock has tanked
He and Wright “just” need to throw strikes. They get behind in the count unnecessarily.
Touki and Wright are both still young. Their value isn’t sky high, but there are plenty of teams that would be interested in them.
But no. They would not headline any deal.
Pache, Shewmake, wright and muller?
Would be Wright or Muller, doubt they would do both
Sounds about close, just swap out Pache for Waters…And then probably Wright for Touki if Muller is included as well..
Still say 3 team Braves/Indians/Giants
Who going where?
Steelerbravenation. The Giants are rebuilding. I don’t see them trading top prospects .
That’s the point genius they have help now talent and the Braves can give them prospects back
Braves fan: Newcomb and Riley are trash.
Braves fan 10 minutes later: Newcomb and Riley for Clevinger.
Newcomb was good in the bullpen last year he just is not a SP. Riley is young I don’t think he sucks I just don’t think he is ready. You know kinda like your boy Bart. Young guys need a little bit of time he was rushed last year and with Albies hurt he probably a little bit rushed this year too.
He’s talking about the Giants sending big leaguers (Yaz? Cueto?) to the Indians with at least some of the Braves prospects going to SF.
As long as Anderson, Pache, Waters and Langeliers aren’t included… so it’s not happening then.
I would be fine with Pache…not entirely sure how much he will ever hit..and with Waters coming up and Acuna already here, we can spare the elite glove first centerfielder
Pache is Andruw Jones minus the HRs. His defense and arm are game changers.
Andrew Jones was a great hitter. I think Pache will be passable, maybe slightly good at best.
without one of pache or waters, a trade simply wont happen. And there is simply no way I will ever say anyone is going to be one of the greatest defensive CF the game has ever seen.
So basically Pache is just Ender with a better arm? No thanks. Waters reminds me of a switch hitting JD Drew without the baggage.
Andruw Jones a great hitter? Dude what are you smokin’? He’s a career.254 hitter and a tick above.334 OBP… His home run runs are prolly a result of ped’s. I loved AJ as a player, but let’s not get carried away.
Hearing any trade with the braves will include waters.
yes, we all read the same post
You aren’t “hearing” anything. You’re surfing the Internet.
Be quiet….he is important. he has sources. He hears things you can only imagine.
Pache,Wright & Zimmer to Giants
Yaz & Shewmake to Indians
Clevinger to Braves
Why would San Francisco do that? Yastrzemski is the best player in the trade,
He’s 30 and won’t be good when giants are good if they could get that ( they can’t ) for yaz they should make it happen ASAP ! Even with new management they still make sentimental decisions though sol they keep yaz extend him and owe him big money when he’s to old to be worth it
Because he is over 30 years old and up until last year was a AAAA type player. A rebuilding team sells A guy like that when he looks like Jose Bautista before he turns into Jesus Aguilar.
In other words sell high. He won’t be a cornerstone piece on the next contending Giant team. And if you get a Top 25 prospect and another preseason Top 100 pitcher that is MLB ready. Zimmer is a former prospect who could possibly be the next Yaz.
Oh wait Zimmer was actually a prospect Yaz been lightning in a bottle.
But you know Giant fans Yaz on his way to HOF.
A SS the Tribe doesn’t need and an OF that isn’t a much better option than what they already have. No thanks!
A “mystery team” would be if the Winnipeg Jets traded for him.
This is either just lazy reporting or, more likely, the team using the reporter to spread beneficial misinformation.
Or maybe you don’t understand that the reporter has real sources. Professional reporters know how to check leads and ask questions.
So, who is the source?
The “mystery” team? No. The mystery would be gone.
The other teams trying to acquire a player? No, they don’t want increased demand upping the asking price.
So, who is the source?
All but certainly it’s the selling team, who has a vested interest in increased demand upping the asking price. Why could/should they be trusted to give honest info in this situation? Answer: They cannot.
Mike Clevinger for Blake Wheeler. Who says no?
Fair deal.
Laine and Scheifle would be too much. Ehlers or Connor aren’t enough.
Hearing that Noel1982 hates Ender.
Through no fault of his own just was at my wits end with brave fans throwing him into trades as a key piece for stars lol
Ha, you share most Braves’ fan’s pain. Wish he could be thrown into any trade.
Yea, I was thinking ender for andujar….then no ones has to listen to ridiculous offers including either for 6 months.
Why not make it a three team trade to include Myers another one who’s fan base throws into all trade ideas for another teams star
It does make sense for the indians though. Not as a centerpiece
Indians wouldn’t want to pay him market value lol forget what he’s due unless Braves eat it all or give up like pache or waters
Ender? He makes no sense for the Indians. Yet another glove that can’t hit, they 6 of them. And a lot cheaper than him.
Also hearing that the the package is Waters, Wright, Toussiant and Contreras.
source?
Hearing from who?
Hope Waters could be switched to Pache
eyeball710 I think you’re pretty darn close my friend.
I think Waters is going to be legit…but Clevinger is more of a need for Atlanta then Waters or Pache is at this point. We NEED another ace type pitcher. A solid 1-2 with Fried and will make for a great 1-2-3 with Soroka, Fried, and Clevinger. This also allows Anderson to just pitch and grow and doesn’t add the pressure of having to “save the season”.
If Clevinger goes for prospects I bet Plesac goes for a potent bat. Would Indians do Plesac for Yaz ?
They wouldn’t trade both, someone still has to pitch every fifth day
San Francisco wouldn’t do it. Why would they trade a solid everyday player for one pitcher?
Bc he’s already 30 and they are starting a rebuild that hasn’t even really begun
And why would Cleveland take that one player when he’s not that great and just finding his way at 30?
This seems like one of the deals where Cleveland wants more but San Francisco won’t want to give up as much
Potent bat, not a guy that was stuck in the minors until he was 29 and is no better than what Naquin or Zimmer could do if healthy.
I agree only difference is Yaz is doing it the other 2 are not
He had one ok season and on his way to another ok season. His 2019 season was right there with Luplow, Mercado and Naquin, can’t see them giving up a prime SP for that.
Another OK ??? Look I think the dude is lightening in the bottle but the guy is having a great year. He literally is the only offensive weapon on a bad Giant team.
Had an ok season.
Yastremski 2019
.272/.334/.518 wRC of 121
Mercado 2019
.269/.318/.443 for a 98 wRC.
Tyler Naquin 2019
.288/.325/.467 for a 101 wRC.
Lupnow had a better 2019 2019…..as a platoon guy.
.216/.274/.299 vs RHP
.320/.439/.742 vs LHP
Yastremski was effective against both in 2019
.256/.321/.505 vs RHP
.328/.382/.561 vs LHP
Yeah they were right there with him. JUST missed him by………………………………………………………………………………THIS MUCH.
Yastremski – 164 wRC so far
Mercado – 44 wRC so far
Naquin – 112 wRC so far
Luplow – 44 wRC so far.
But yeah, besides those facts Lupnow, Mercado, and Naquin were/are right there with Yastremski and his “ok” production.
What does his ok season and their ok season have to do with their subpar season and his very good to great season so far this year ???
2019 WAR
2.5 Mercado
2.1 Yaz
2.0 Luplow
1.5 Naquin
Yes, let’s give up a coveted SP when there is little on the market for a guy that was stuck in the minors until he was near 30.
Somehow I thought I saw Yaz at 2.1 in 2019, now I see it was 2.8, I stand corrected.
Fangraphs ranks their war differently for
2019
Yastremski 2.2
Jordan Luplow 2.2
Mercado 1.7
Naquin 1.5
But thats cool. You can use them as defensive replacements late in games as none have hit a lick this year.
If I were the Padres I think id be willing to include Grisham if it got the deal done for Clevinger… of course that’s dependant on how much more else they wanted. But personally I don’t think Grisham would be a sticking point if I were the pads GM. He did have a spectacular season last year in AA/AAA but prior to that he really struggled throughout the minors and hasn’t done much thus far this season to prove that last year wasn’t just an outlier — he very well may develop into a legitimate AS-caliber CF… but Clevinger is already an AS-caliber SP with several more years of control… and at this point I also think there’s still a legitimate chance Grisham is more of the .235 hitter he was prior to 2019, so if you can nab a SP who can consistently post ERAs of 3.00 or better with great K/9 rates… I think you take that deal.
He retooled his whole swing by going back to a swing he was familiar with before the Brewers messed with him. Those stats don’t really apply to who he is now, and his sample size in MLB this year is telling. He’s also been an above-average defensive CFer, not a guy the Pads can move.
If grisham was the center piece then maybe. Though grisham is about the only center fielder they have on the roster.
Clevinger is age 30 and has pitched more than 158 innings just once. If I’m the Padres, I keep Grisham and continue building. Don’t forget the Padres haven’t had a winning season since 2010. They aren’t there yet. There’s no telling how they would respond to a full, 162-game schedule.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Mejia end up back in Cleveland. They soured on him when he wouldn’t go to the OF to get in the lineup, but their catchers haven’t been hitting anything; at least Perez brings the D but Leon is worthless.
Mejia has a career WAR of 0.0. Plus he stinks behind the plate and catcher is mainly a defensive position.
I agree, but this time they could use his bat in the lineup immediately before transitioning to the field, the opposite of what they needed last year. He drew great reviews defensively prior to that trade and I didn’t see it myself when I saw him play. I could still see him as a piece to the Padres deal.
Alex you must get Clevinger! The Manassa Mauler has faith in the Braves
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That would violate protocols.
If Clevinger were 2 years younger I feel like the Indians “rediculous” asking price would be justified and that they would probably get a deal to their liking. Given the amount of interest in him… maybe they still will. But for me personally… I’m not sure I would be willing to send 3/4 top prospects for him even with the couple of more years of team control. If the cost is 2 top prospects and a 3rd decent one… then I might be willing to meet the asking price, but beyond that I might be hesitant as lots of SP’s tend to decline after they turn 30 — though having said that… a team looking for an “ace” for a 2/3 year ‘win-now’ window… maybe doesn’t care so much about that.
Braves just landed Clevinger!
Clev for Ryan Weathers, Gabriel Arias, Josh Naylor, Michel Baez and Tucupita Marcano. I suspect it would take more than that, but that’s a pretty huge get.
The Padres have a poor track record for developing players. Typical trade offer: our junk for the guy we want.
Cey hey, Braves are living proof of receiving prospects that were near mlb ready that didn’t pan out… just look at those transactions the last few years
Player development is important. That’s why teams like trading for Dodgers’ prospects. He’s not Betts, but Verdugo is 23 and has been the best player on the Red Sox. I’ve visited Over the Monster a few times and Sox fans love Verdugo. He was my favorite Dodger last year but gotta give to get. It remains to be seen how these Padres prospects – or any prospects – pan out. Braves are set up nicely for the next several years. Do you think they push for Realmuto? It would kill the Phillies and crush the catcher-desperate Mets. And the Braves have plenty of room on the payroll.
No I don’t think they sign anybody long term for big money. I would love to have him though.
Every team has fans like that.
That’s more quantity over quality. Especially considering everyone you mentioned except Weathers has to be on the 40-man roster this offseason.
How long have the Padres been looking for a quality CF? Who do they have to replace him? Nobody. The Padres have a ton of good pitching already.
The Padres should focus on having one winning season over a 162-game schedule.
Also, Indians are asking for Riley too as there is a third team involved.
If they get Riley than Waters & Pache stay
Braves looks like the team now, but don’t count out the padres they need pitching to get far in the playoffs
If it’s just drew waters, I say pull the trigger. Although it hurts me cause I freaking love waters. I’d rather trade Pache than waters… there, I said it. Waters has that Chipper Jones swag about him that I freaking love.
I hear the Pirates have made an offer on Clevinger….really, Hayman just called me…….
I understand it’s a done deal for Clevinger. Waters and Wright headline the deal. The rest is being worked out and from a Braves’ perspective it won’t hurt. That is unless you wish it were Pache instead of Waters.
source?
With all due respect to your sources, about an hour ago a dude was saying Padres was a done deal.
We will see tomorrow.
If that was the trade, as a Braves fan I’d take it in a second.
Mike Clevinger…Really?
Cleveland could deal Clevinger to the Dodgers and with Lux coming back to the Indians. Lux, who played shortstop in the minor leagues, frees up Lindor who the Indians could move for the ranch. The Indians totally reload and unload salary at the same time.
And then Lindor ends up in L.A. Both teams happy.
Dodgers wouldn’t move Lux for London now they move him for Clevinger ??? I don’t see it.
You think Cleveland would give up Clevinger for just Lux? Not a chance.
I doubt the Dodgers would trade Lux for Clevinger. Friedman will do something. But for now, he’s just watching the fun, having meaningful conversations with rival execs, and doing what he can to make the best team in baseball even better. Don’t forget they won 106 games last year without Betts. Most improved team in the league with a plus-90 differential through 36 games. That’s 2.5 runs per game. Most runs scored, fewest runs allowed. And they can make the best offer for any of these pitchers if they choose to. A prospect-plus-Urias package for Lynn would be good for both teams. And it will be a good prospect as the Dodgers are loaded in pitching, catching, and middle infielders.
It’s all a tease…. they’re getting a read on the market, and then they’ll keep him.
Literally any prospect but Waters and Anderson and I’m fine with it.
Do teams who are overtly trying to acquire a player really believe the reports of an alleged mystery team?
Good thing Braves are at least kicking the tires on Clevinger. Ultimately they won’t pony up which will most likely result in another early postseason exit.
Leaving Braves fan upset at AA for not going for it.
Yeppppp.. just like last year when they went out and traded for 3 RP so they could stand pat……You just have to wonder where you guys get this stuff from
Why trade for him when we can snag him in FA, I do not see the Braves winning it all this year with Soroka going down
He is not a free agent until 2023…..geez……where do these idiots come from.
DP covered the biggest error of your post so I’ll bring up a different one. If Clevinger WERE a free agent, what in Atlanta’s last decade of transactional history makes you think they would successfully sign him?
Looking at it strictly for 2020….you are trading for a player for 5 to 8 games at most. in 28 days of the regular season, you have 5 maybe 6 starts. Assuming 1 start a series in these short series and you are guaranteed 6 games. Who knows what 2021 and 2022 hold. Assuming DW debuts in 2021 then he will still be a Brave in 2027 unless there is a change to the CBA.
My bad I thought he was about to be free agent after this year
Unless you are implying that Clevinger will be non-tendered, it will be two more years before the Braves can sign him as a FA.
What everyone needs to keep in mind is that CLE NEEDS a starting caliber budding star OF to come back in the deal. They are playoff bound, and they need that TODAY. We can talk about top OF prospects all day, but it has to start with someone like Robert, Jimenez, Judge, etc. Tribe are not sellers. They need something back that propels them today AND tomorrow just as Clevinger gives his recipient
The smartest man in the room…….CLEV needs an OF today….if you got one of those hanging around ready to contributre then great……otherwise this is nothing but a p%*^$&# tease.
Which is precisely why I don’t understand why the Indians would want to trade Clevinger in the first place.
He betrayed his team’s trust and lied about it not enough for you?
Not even close.
He would’ve never been allowed back in the locker room if that was true.
They’ll trade him if they get exactly what they want .
Which will either be the elusive controllable already a stud ML outfielder(A’s could be mystery team with Ramon Laureanu) or an overpay of blue chip prospects.
They did it with the Bauer deal last season and he only had another year of control not two.
Trevor Bauer has outproduced everyone the Indians got for him combined.
If the Cleveland FO has done one thing well it’s been identifying pitchers they like and trading for them. Guys like Clevinger, Carrasco, Bauer, Kluber, and Lee all came via trade. Be careful if they ask you to throw in a pitcher.
Every single one of those guys were brought in under Shapiro though. I don’t know if that really applies to the current FO
Antonetti took over baseball ops in 2010
Bauer was acquired in 2012
Clevinger was acquired in 2014
Wtf? I would have never guessed that.
If you want to put it all under the Shapiro umbrella that’s fine. Antonetti was his GM for the Clevinger and Bauer trades. I guess we’ll see what happens with Allen and Logan. Chernoff, Antonetti who gets the credit. It doesn’t really matter to m.
Man unless his value is way down do to his actions, I don’t even really want the Blue Jays to be in in him. It’s almost certainly going to cost them two of Martin, Manoah, SWR, or Groshans and I don’t think that’s worth it for them at this point with his little control remaining.
Agree totally Clevinger is not worth it to the Jays,hope they stay well clear,
Agree. Atkins need to put down the phone.
After the Nola trade, I can’t wait to see ridiculous! I didn’t want to trade Clevinger, but at these going rates you would be foolish not to take advantage.
Nola also has 5 more yrs of control that played a big part,
And the Mariners also added two other pieces
Yea 5 extra years of controll on a 31 year old utility guy makes him valuable. Clevinger should just stay put
SWR, Manoah, and Groshans for Clevinger?
As an Orioles fan, I can only hope they drop their load for Cleve. After seeing what AJ did…..
3 of our top 5? not a chance
I would agree with you.
I can hope. Preller seems to be playing pretty fast and loose with his prospects. Might take something ridiculous to outbid the guy. As a Jays fan, I’d be mortified to give that up. But as an O’s fan I really hope so. Lot of young talent in Toronto anything to thin that pool out is good news to me.
Not really. You’d have to be a fool to think the O’s were ready for the playoffs. Toronto is way further along in their rebuild. Baltimore is playing with band aid players for the most part.
The fact that the team has been this respectable is surprising. RM’s 2 shots today were just a little taste of the future.
HE looks like a future all star for sure
He looks the part offensively. I’m taking the long view. I’d much rather have guys like Mountcastle, Hays, Santander etc. developing rather than the O’s catch lightning in a bottle in a 60 game season from a bunch of band aid players.
Doesn’t really help us long term if guys like Asher Wojciechowski, Tommy Millone, and José Iglesias led us to the postseason.
Exactly . Same reason i hope we don’t blow a load on Clevinger.
I wonder what it wold take it get Iglesias – Bo Bichette is out for another week or 2 and we have a black hole at 3rd base.
Probably not too much. A relief pitching prospect I would imagine. Something like Patrick Murphy?
Or maybe a couple of lotto tickets that are really far off.
Actually i was thinking Murphy or one of the 4 young Middle infielders in our 15-20 Prospect range.
The return for Clevinger will be a little stronger than the Stroman return. SWR is a good start. Cleveland will want either a catcher (Kirk) or SS (Martinez).
Baltimore needs one bat and some pitching. They have improved a lot from the last two seasons. They’re kinda fun to watch.
I’d gladly take Clevinger. Forget 2020. 2021 will be promising.
Idea.. let’s trade for Bumgarner.
even better idea…..lets trade for Maholm, Gausman, Milone, Harang, McCarthy, or Keuchel
Why them? I mean it’s not like any commenters ever tied there name to any of THEM! =D
Maybe not but those names are just examples as to why this team has not won a postseason series since 2001.
Meh..what are you talking about? I was just looking out for you, bud. Don’t you still want MadBum in a Braves uniform?
Okay, okay, for real..what size jersey do you wear? Thought I would send you a Braves jersey with Bumgarner on the back in commemoration of why the Braves won’t make the NLCS.
Dear Cleveland, please trade Clevenger so my royals don’t have to face him on Tuesday.
The Blue Jays being the mystery team would certainly be more expected than the Braves for a two reasons.
1. When was the last time you can remember the Braves being part of a big move? It’s been a while and not during Anthopoulos tenure.
2. A Waters, Pache, Acuna outfield. RunDMC needs this. That man has lost so much. This can’t be taken from him. I mean no other reason should count more than this. =(
Actually AA had a track record for those big deals while with the Jays.
The off season Marlins/Mets deals and then the 2015 deadline deals with the Rockies and Tigers.
He gave up 3 pitching prospects for a rental of David Price. ( that’s the reason the Tigers have Boyd )
Well aware of his tenure with the Blue Jays, but my comment was in reference to his time with the Braves. Anthopoulos is no longer the Gunslinger. His time with the Dodgers changed his approach.
I think this is funny. Clevinger messed up big time and Cleveland is pissed off enough to trade him a month later. I don’t thibk he’ll be traded til this winter
I’ll be shocked if Clevinger isn’t a Brave by 4 PM tomorrow. They desperately need him if they want to have any chance in the post season, and they’ll still probably need one more good SP after that.
I agree with the 2nd part of the statement. I just don’t know if mgmt is willing to spend the prospect capital it will take to get him. So I have my reserves there. Seems like too big of a move for the bravos unfortunately. Hope I’m wrong.
I honestly think the angels are the mystery team. Possibly a Brandon Marsh trade?
The Angels system is extremely weak. They can afford to part with Marsh because of the obvious reason that they have Ohtani, Trout, and Adell. But the secondary pieces required to get Clevinger would really hurt that system. A team with so many holes probably shouldn’t do that.
anyone but the Jays pleaseeee
Trade him already
I’m curious to see what the Jays would even offer for clevinger, like gurriel would have to be in there, a catcher like McGuire would have to be there, at least two pitchers like SRF and TJ zeuch as a start. And that’s just the start, would they have to add an SS prospect? Warmoth would be a name that comes to mind, as I said they would be just a start. I bet Cleveland is asking for at the very least Pearson. What’s everyone else think?
I’m a Jays fan and i think they will ask for the moon.
Gurriel+McGuire+Groshans+Pearson.
And no way in the world should the jays pay it.
Clevenger is a high value asset but i get the feeling Cleveland is asking for a deGrom type return and Clevenger profiles as a solid #2 pitcher not a lock down staff ace.
As well have to look at the yrs of control
Gurriel x 4
Clevenger x 2 .
Indians fans seem to think other teams don’t value the years of control and look only at who’s best for that 1 particular year. That’s no longer the case.
I’d do
Gurriel + McGuire + # 11 Kay + Prospect like our #9 Hiraldo.
No Gm will be so in love with Clevinger they will allow themselves to be fleeced.
Believe it or not I don’t think it would take that much to get Clevinger, and this is more about durability and the current timetable for the Lindor window (of Cleveland keeping him). Once Lindor is gone the Indians are in trouble.
SWR and Kirk or Martinez gets it done for Clevinger. Basically a slightly stronger return for Clevinger than Stroman.
Here’s a wild idea. I may have mentioned this before, and by no means am I advocating it:
Clevinger, Plesac and Lindor for Vlad and Fisher.
The familiarity between the Indians and Jays front office will make the “game playing” minimal.. The Indians FO will know that the Jays FO will NOT trade the good will and PR generated by the elevation of Pearson all the way through the Jays system to the major leagues. This is especially true w/r to the quarantine of the team away from the Roger’s Center..
Your suggestion about Lourdes Gurriel..is a strong return for the Indians.
Pearson is an off limits kind of guy.. The Jays/Indians intimate knowledge of each other will make this a deal breaker.. So, the Indians will ask for the return of Julian Merryweather.. Furthermore, the Jays FO were responsible for bring Bradley Zimmer to the North Coast.. and would ask for him as an additional player from the Indians..
The other two guys: Reece McGuire and Jordan Groshans are well thought of and very good prospects.. Getting both would nice..
This makes the foundation of the trade.. that is
Indians get Lourdes Gurriel Jr, Julian Merryweather Groshans and McGuire
Jays get Mike Clevinger and Bradley Zimmer
A possible curve/out of the blue change to the deal would see the Jays keeping both McGuire and Groshan while the Indians # 1 pick in the most recent draft Carson Tucker and Austin Martin switch teams..
I am a big fan of Austin Martin… the only reason for this suggestion..
Thoughts?
Might need to toss in 1 more guy on Cleveland side because Gurriel’s contract is very team-friendly with a bunch of years.
I could see another deep Indians prospect added.. like Jhonkensy Noel, Jose Tena or Eli Morgan.. Any one of those three could be considered talented enough to desire.. time is all they need to develop..
Well, interesting deal with SD.
Well turns out the actual packages was close to the this one. Pardres Give up #7,#9,#11 but then Gurriel had more value then Quantril and the other MLB guys.
Still glad we ( Jays) didn’t do it.
I think Cleveland asked for the moon and teams like Jays/White Sox/Braves backed off then the trigger was pulled on the Padres deal before they walked as well. It’s a really good return but not the lights out crazy package Cleveland fans had hoped for.
As a very adamant Jays fan I ask for Atkins (although he will not see this) to not trade away gurriel unless it means bringing in Lindo. As when I watch this team they are tight as glue and Gurriel is a big part of that. And I know some of you might say “oh well that’s how the game goes” I say you do not bring in someone from another team who is getting traded for out of team behavior and give away not only a leader but a capable and very cheap piece to the puzzle. I say the Jays don’t overpay on Clevenger unless we get Frankie. They should get a rental pitcher and a few more reliable bench bats. But what I can say is whatever goes down I applaud Atkins for having the diversity of getting through the past 3 years and being called Shatikins and set up a super team not only for right now but also the future. He hasn’t made a deal for like the past year that hasn’t gone his way.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve said a number of times Clevinger is the last guy we need to bring into a young tight knit clubhouse.
When i mentioned the trade i’d do, i meant what would be fair value not that id want it to take place. I’m totally against trading for the guy.
Gurriel is the only above average outfielder the Jays have (really the only even decent one with Grich playing center instead of right). They need to upgrade the outfield defense to improve the pitching, not downgrade it.
If the trade happens to be with the Padres, does anybody think the Indians will try to get Francisco Meija back? I think it might be a possibility with how bad their catching has been.
Yes
I don’t
No, the primary reason they dealt Mejia to SD in the first place was his lack of skills behind the plate. SD would no doubt love to send him back, but in either place he’s a man without a position. Tribe doesn’t need another DH.
Waters, Camargo, Wright.
make it happen AA.
Tbh most of the mock offers I’ve seen are people just saying they want their team to get rid of the stuff they don’t want, not giving up the stuff the Indians want
Exactly
If its the padres I’m guessing campusano and arias are the main pieces.
Or abrams and others.
While cleveland has a need in the outfield they are about to have a need at shortstop. Padres have 2 which can be lindors replacement. Shortstop is a more valued position then outfield.
This will come down to which prospects the Indians value higher.
Go get him Braves! Don’t want the WSox grabbing him unless Vaughn is the headliner. They need to hold on to Dunning/Kopech/Madrigal/Kelley.
And of course, Braves didn’t pony up. Preller gets Clevinger + without giving up their elite prospects. Lolbraves
I think the Padres are gonna make a big deal for him tss tss