In yet another buzzer-beating deadline swap, the Blue Jays agreed to acquire right-hander Ross Stripling from the Dodgers, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reports (via Twitter). It’s the third pitching addition of the deadline week for Toronto, as the Jays also added Taijuan Walker and Robbie Ray. Los Angeles will receive two players to be named later from the Jays.
Stripling is finally on the move out of Dodger Stadium, as the righty was seemingly dealt to the Angels (along with Joc Pederson) back in February before that deal fell apart for still-unknown reasons. In the aftermath, Stripling has struggled through the worst of his five MLB seasons, posting a 5.61 ERA, 2.45 K/BB rate, and 7.2 K/9 over 33 2/3 innings and seven starts for L.A. Stripling has allowed a league-high 12 homers for a ghastly 3.2 HR/9 this season, as his career-long issues with keeping the ball in the park have become a full-fledged problem.
It isn’t too different, in fact, from Ray’s problems with homers (2.6 HR/9) this year, and even Walker has a 1.4 HR/9 this season. Clearly the Jays feel they have a solve for all three pitchers’ home run woes, and in the process they have bolstered a rotation that has been hampered by injuries by Matt Shoemaker, Nate Pearson and (in season-ending fashion) Trent Thornton.
Hyun Jin Ryu, Chase Anderson, and Tanner Roark sit atop Toronto’s rotation, with Walker, Ray, and now Stripling potentially able to make it a six-man rotation, or someone could be shifted to the bullpen. Stripling has been used as a swingman in the past, though if the Jays were one of the teams interested in using Ray as a reliever, it could be the ex-Diamondbacks hurler who joins the relief corps. Further adjustments could be made once Shoemaker and Pearson return to action.
While Ray and Walker are both pending free agents, Stripling is more than a rental, as he is controlled through arbitration through the 2022 season. It therefore stands to reason that the Dodgers’ two players to be named later could be fairly significant (if not elite) prospects, despite Stripling’s struggles this year. The PBTBL designation allows the Jays and Dodgers to agree on two players who aren’t necessarily on Toronto’s current 60-man player pool, as only players within the pool can be dealt during the year.
Prior to his tough 2020, Stripling was showing plenty of signs of being a quality pitcher. He had a 3.51 ERA, 4.14 K/BB rate, and 8.8 K/9 over 387 innings, starting 52 of 136 games from 2016-19. The Dodgers moved Stripling in and out of their rotation as their needs dictated, though Stripling would have certainly been a regular starter on just about any other team that didn’t have the Dodgers’ unusual amount of pitching depth.
Speaking of that depth, Stripling’s departure creates a regular turn for Tony Gonsolin in the Los Angeles rotation. Walker Buehler will naturally regain his old spot once he returns from the injured list, and Alex Wood is also nearing a return from the IL. With a rotation that also includes Clayton Kershaw, Dustin May, and Julio Urias, L.A. is still pretty fortified pitching-wise, though it is interesting that the Dodgers at least checked in on some bigger-name arms as Lance Lynn and Mike Clevinger. Rather than swing a blockbuster trade, however, the Stripling deal represents the Dodgers’ only deadline move.
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Woah
What could be the names of the return? I’m sure if he plays well it would be higher level names if not middle tier. Either way I’m excited never liked ross blew way too many games in crucial moments
The players are most likely already decided – just not on the Jays 60 man.
Yep!
Praying its CJ Van Eck though that seems like a high return –
We were high on him at the draft so that kinda fits
Never know though, Sp in such demand and they get 3 playoff runs with Stripling-
Ill be stoked if its CJ
Pretty sure players drafted that same year can not be included as PTBNL.
It’s going to be one guy in the 15-20 range and one guy in the 20-30 range.
Our GM has been talking up years of control and building up the farm too long to turn around and give up anyone from our top 15 for a project like Stripling .
The only exception might be Eric Pardinho who is a young RHP who was in our top 10 but is now 14th due to his having Tommy John back in the spring.
Another buy-low acquisition for the Jays… Stripling has a great track record and a bad season, just like Ray.
2 Ptbn meaning if he performs well for then dodgers get better players so it’s a win win for dodgers.
I don’t think it works like that. They’re PTBNL because they’re not on the 60 man and cannot he traded right now.
It’s not like if he wins the Cy Young award you get a better return, there’s a predetermined list of players.
You can write in a trade that the PTBNL is dependent on the traded player’s performance. It’s been done before
Example?
Well, it *can* work like that but not necessarily. Depends on what the teams agreed to.
There was an injured reliever that was traded from Tampa when Friedman was there. They wrote into the trade that the PTBNL are negotiable dependent on games closed by said reliever. I can’t remember his name
Cleveland-Milwaukee trade for Sabathia is one of the more famous instances
If Mil missed the playoffs, they would choose of the 2 players on the list
But if the Brewers made the playoffs, the Indians could make that choice. This happened and Michael Brantley was picked
It very well be a based on performance deal. Ex if he does such & such, LA gets 2 players from list A. If he doesn’t perform well, they get 1 player from list A & 1 player from list B. The 2 players may be already agreed on. Only the teams know for sure. So, how many licks are in a tootsie pop? The world is waiting to know.
So if he fails as a blue jay does that mean the jays can go back to the dodgers and say.. U know that list well yea hes not worth it so we are now offering these guys.. No it doesnt work like that. Usually its an agreed upon list of players it could be a list of 15 or 20 or whatever amount of players and the dodgers now have until a certain day to pick from that list. Very very rarely does it change from the previous list to a higher prospect based on performance.
Also as mentioned before that ptnl can be anyone not on the 60 man roster and the jays have alot of top prospects that arent on the 60man roster.. Im not a fan of stripling i just hope its not a top 25 player.. We already lost conine and i liked his plus plus power and arm strength as a future outfielder
I have the feeling it’s going to be one of the 4 young SS in the 15-20 range of our top 30 plus a lottery ticket guy in the 30-50 range.
Doubt it is someone in our top 15.
@Marko pretty sure it’s significant pieces otherwise dodgers would have kept him to make a run this year. Strip has a strong track record with a small sample size this year or being bad. I would think atleast one prospect between 8-15 and one between 15-25 or 2 with in the 10-20 range.
Yep imo it’ll be tied to if the Jays make the playoffs more so than Strip’s pitching. But we’ll see. I agree this very well could be a 2 list situation (or like Sabathia, what team picks the players, etc)
It could also mean that the two aren’t in the Jays sixty man player pool. These types can’t be named until after the season ends.
Marcus Smith and Dustin Harris were not on the A’s sixty player pool and they were named in the Mike Minor deal.
Not officially, names leaked but the move was announced as 2 players to be named later. Players not on the 60 cant be named until after the season, although they can be agreed to. Thats why its announced as PTBNL but in some cases the names of those players have leaked
Dodger players may now need another financial advisor.
Forest Gump got traded and now Lieutenant Dan is taking his place
the 2 players arent on the 60, so that means two low level but good prospects that project well…
He’s only had two bad starts. Aside from that, he’s pitched great.
Who knew the dodgers would be sellers?
Just opening a spot for someone better.
I wonder. I figured the Dodgers to be dark horse candidates for Lynn and that might still be the case even though the rumor has him staying in Texas.
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That would be a real snappy comeback, in kindergarten.
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(Yawn) Your humor is buried somewhere with Hoffa and your silly takes Blue. Leave with dignity.
Gonsolin should be in the rotation ahead of Stripling anyway.
Gonsolin>Strip
Gonsolin is now built up enough to hold the rotation spot, Strip has been the worst of the 5 but has good value with 3 playoff runs. Makes a Lotta sense
Aww man, not again!!
Blue Jays playing to win the 8th seed.
They could do better
Why not? The 8 seed only has to win 2 games to send the 1 seed home unhappy.
Okay quick, who had the Dodgers picked as sellers today? Granted they are more like a small lemonade stand as opposed to the Wal Mart that was Arizona. But still surprising that their only deal was sending away ML players instead of acquiring it.
Ditto
I’m assuming it’s addition by subtraction? Ross Stripling seems like he can’t pitch well against any team not named the SF Giants.. and the Dodgers have tons of depth.
I figured pitching well against the Giants would make him uber-popular to Dodger fans.
Maybe. Stripling wasn’t earning his spot in the rotation. He no longer has a use case on the Dodgers. Moving Stripling doesn’t answer the question about the 1-2-3 for the postseason though. Another shoe to drop?
Kershaw, May, gonsolin that’s a pretty good 1,2,3. Until buehler tightens up his control he could very well appear in the top of the rotation.
Two rookies at the top of the rotation in the postseason? Who does that?
Padres
Dodgers had a 7 man rotation. Strip was the odd man out. This is not surprising.
Most forgetful World Series favorite rotation ever..CAn only name 4 healthy starters and 2 are rookies
I’d still rather have dodgers farm and major league roster over the padres who are outperforming who they actually are in a small sample season. Outside of tatis nothing in this roster is intimidating or scary they have beat up on horrible teams and have one of the lightest schedules in the majors. Congrats
What a silly and inaccurate statement. Dodgers, according to teamrankings.com strength of schedule meter. Dodgers are 23rd in strength of schedule and Padres are 9th. But, its kind of irrelevant because The Dodgers and Padres play.the.same.teams! Sooo not sure you follow much baseball because you wouldn’t have said such fake news. And MAnny Machado just had 2 player of the week awards in a row. Tatis also had a player of the week. That’s 3 out of 6 weeks. Jake Cronenworth is hitting .360 w .1035 OPS. Man, the more I type the more dumb you sound to me
great deadline for the jays
Don’t know how you can be so sure about that just yet when most of their acquisitions have been struggling players looking for a resurgent second half.
I wouldn’t say great they just made a bunch of low risk high reward moves.
We dont know if it was a good deadline as we dont know who was traded. We only know Jays overpaid for Villar.
Didn’t see this one coming.
Gonsolin played his way into earning a full time spot in the rotation and the Dodgers knew they could let Stripling go. I’m curious as to the return but my guess is that it’s something from the bullpen. Granted, I still didn’t expect this to happen.
Maybe a Bat because was dangling its LF and didn’t make it before MLB Network Trade Deadline special but maybe later tonight will talk about.
Also Yankees didn’t make a move.
Dodgers will regret trading Stripling.
Why would they regret trading a pitcher that’s been incredibly inconsistent when they have plenty of depth to replace him?
A legit World Series contender trading SP depth? You don’t see that everyday
True. It’s certainly a bit weird to see it happen but I don’t think they will regret it. The depth of the Dodgers allows this to be a good move, obviously depending on what they are getting back.
Most World Series contenders don’t have 2 rookies that have pitched way better than their current 5 starter. Gonsolin is better and needed a spot to pitch every 5 days. They took value instead of just stashing him in the bullpen
To me, the fact it was a 4pm deadline buzzer beater means the Jays overpaid and forced LA’s hand to take the deal
Depth? Stripling was the depth. Buehler(out) Kershaw(back), Urias(inconsistent), May(rook), Gonsolin(rook)..Who else can start? Blisters can pop up all year long w out sufficient rest. I dunno man, who else they got?
I wouldn’t worry about losing Stripling specifically but starting pitching was the one area where depth was not a luxury for them. There’s tons of potential in their rotation but one or two injuries and they could be stretched thin.
And the real question is whether they’d want to pitch one or maybe two rookies in the postseason.
Pad 19ha-
They are taking a small risk the 5 games will hold up over the next 24 games-
Strip means nothing to us for the playoffs and if it gets to the point where he would (multiple injs) well then it was never meant to be
Its ride or die with Buehler Shaw May Urias come playoffs. The bullpen this year looks better than it has the last 7 years as well – Brusdar Trienan Ferguson has looked better than any Blanton Baez Watson ever did and Kenley looks fresher this year than years past as well –
Good point, I still don’t think that’s a world series rotation. Ill take Clev, Paddack, Lamet, Davies over the Dodgers in a 7 game series, easily. Don’t forget, you still have Kershaw’s tragic history in the playoffs you’re banking on.
If a rotation was all it took to win the WS, the Indians would win every year. The Dodgers still have the better line-up and bullpen
Well, Vegas will give you good odds on that if you think its going to be easy
Lineup-Not statistically, even w the huge month they just had. And this is before we added the current top hitting catcher, and Moreland who has a higher OPS than any Padre or Dodger currently, Fred. Plus we have the best player in the league in Tatis.
Have you heard of mean regression and small sample size? Moreland is not going to OPS at that rate. Cronenworth another candidate. Wil Myers same. Similar for Machado and Hosmer. Career highs in a small sample size. On the flip side, many of the Dodger players have OPS below recent trend and career.
The Dodgers line-up has a better track record of performance. You have 2 MVPs, Seager, Turner, Muncy, Pollock who is perfect for this season since it’s only 60 games, Will Smith (an even better hitting catcher than Aaron Nola since last season), and a bunch of depth. Joc usually hits 7th and he averages 25 HRs a year. They’re also better at plate discipline and working a starter out the game. The Padres might hit for a better average but that’s it
Nahh Padres are FIRST(not just better than Doodgers) in Ops(by a lot)-20 pts), runs scored, hits, 2nd in steals, total bases..shall I go on or maybe look it up before you say only average..again, pre Nola and Mitch….Bullpen, who knows, probably close to the same after we added Rosenthal and Adams, also Kirby Yates could be back by playoffs.
I’ll take Clev over Buehler in Game 1, Paddack over Kershaw GAme 2, Lamet over May game 3, Davies over Urias game 4.
Yes Dodgers have a better track record, but this is a short season and producing NOW is whats important. Padres lack the playoff experience, but w no fans in the stands, the pressure will be less. I LOVE our chances
You do realize that most of sample size is against teams like Arizona, rockies, mariners and rangers correct? Those of 4 of the worst teams in the majors lol, wait till you play us again or do you not remember 11-2 and 6-0 without a few starters and bellinger and muncy in a slump. Lmao nice try there bud
LOL what a Padres homer. Dodgers are Paddacks father and “Kershaw stinks in October” is not a valid reason. He has had some good October moments too so tp act like its a guarntee you light him up is ridiculous. Lamet can strike guys out but the Dodgers don’t have trouble with him either. Gotta love Padre fans who think a few trades don’t make them little brother anymore.
The Dodgers have given him chance after chance. He’s just not good enough
His curve is VERY VERY hittable, his accuracy is average as is his velocity. He can’t put hitters away and can’t keep the ball in the park. Dodger fans won’t miss him.
Its his fastball that troubles me Senior; sits flat 91-93 thigh high way too often…
He throws strikes and gets ahead, thus the pretty good whip totals usually but he’s damn hittable to say the least-
Can be a lotta value in having a 150 inns at a 4.25 era though in that Div moving forward
Hahahahhahahaha. Shut up. Go hit his curveball. Just the entire MLB hasn’t done it for 12 years
Helps if you know the signs tho!
No they won’t. Stripling has flat out been un-usable in the playoffs and they would never pitch him in a big spot.
Yeah if only they had pitching depth to offset that loss.
Does this mean Tony Gonsolin will get a spot in the rotation now?
Kershaw
Buehler
Urias
May
Gonsolin
Gonsolin actually worries me less than May and Urias, he’s much more polished.
Come playoff time, I could see two of them being used as the 3 and 4, with the odd man out being a piggyback option with Victor Gonzalez, Dennis Santana, and maybe Caleb Ferguson as well (who was a starter). It should also be noted that Dave Roberts has been using a lot of his bullpen for 3-4 outs, while also allowing for the flexibility by bringing in a new pitcher with 2 outs. The pen has a lot of guys now who can pitch full innings, and this strategy works well in combatting the 3 batter rule, while also setting them up for a low leverage landing. I haven’t heard a lot of talk about it, but the idea of negating the rule by bringing in a reliever with two outs, while also giving them a warmup batter before starting the next inning is pretty smart, not to mention it flips the concept of stretching your relievers in the playoffs around as well.
I think Urias is injured somewhere. I can’t prove it, but just a feeling. His Velo is down, but he just doesn’t seem to be able to finish pitches and has led to command issues. I’ve noticed a grimace a couple times lately after he made the pitch. I could be wrong, but he just doesn’t look right.
Urias has always been somewhat control-challenged so nothing much changed there. I wouldn’t make too much out of six starts in this weird season. Still I’m not sure I’d want a championship to hang in the balance of his ability to find the strike zone on any given day. If you want to worry about somebody, I’d put Buehler on the top of the list. He has to get well in a hurry or nothing good happens in the postseason.
Or he’s starting instead of relieving for the first time in years and it was a short build up year…..
I think we’re going to have some angry Braves fans at the end of this deadline.
Agreed
SalaryCapMyth. Tell something new.
New? The deadline just ended!
“That was so 10 minutes ago, brah!” LOL!
You know, a thought just occurred to me. Does anyone think this trade was made in anticipation of a Lynn trade happening? Something like what happened over the winter with the Angels trade directly after the Betts trade?
No, I think this one had more to do with Gonsolin being ready to start full time.
I agree but with the Dodgers being so connected to Lynn, I had to throw it out there.
He has been starting full time, but averaging just over 4 innings per.
They’ve been piggybacking him and he hasn’t given up a run yet. He woulda taken over when Buehler went down but just threw a sim game. It has everything to with Gonsolin>Strip and they believe Gonsolin is more likely to handle a good lineup 2 or 3x thru compared to Strip
Strip needs to learn how to pitch with a high fastball. High means HIGH when you throw 92. He’s throwing too many meatballs trying to follow the trend of pitching up. Jays think they can either fix that with a small tweak, or simply having him go back to his 2018-19 approach will help his HR/9 numbers
Def could be, wouldn’t that be odd snake biten twice !
But I think he was being shopped anyway for a while – His trade value seems a little inflated on the public market and I think they knew that all along – Then the obv we have a better option for 3 mill less in Gonsolin just sitting there too 😉
Stripling in the AL East could be troubling. Still a potentially good pickup. Jays really needed a better SP than Ray and Stripling knowing they could have a bullpen jolt come September. Blue Jays manager is also a problem if anyone watched the game today.
Stripling is just not that good – If he can give them 300-350 total inns at a sub 4.2 era they will be happy though- Oddly he’s kind of a poor mans healthy Roark who he now shares a team with in my eyes
I think posters here have always over-valued him . I think the Dodgers knew all along and he’s been actively shopped for quite a while. We probably waited too long and didnt receive optimal value but oh well…
On the field I have No problem seeing a whole lot more Gonzo and not seeing Strip in any manner- Best of wishes though in Toronto, Every team needs a couple blue collars and his time was well served here in LA
I really like what Tor is doing…. If he turns out a 5 inn #5 starter for 2.5 yrs theres a lotta value in that
Stripling has a park-adjusted career ERA+ of 110, including 119 and 128 the last couple years. What is that makes people think he’s going to be below average? Are you sure it’s not just pitching for the best pitching staff in baseball that made him look bad by comparison?
They’re spoiled by the Other Dodger pitchers being better. Sounds like a jerk answer but it’s reality. Buehler, Kershaw, May… Urias had crazy prospect pedigree.. then Strip is the 5, having the worst year of his career
Look at the bullpen. Most of them in this years pen throw 98-100. He’s a very good pitcher who’s at least a 3 on many teams, but Lad fans are comparing him to some really great arms. I really hope he comes into his own in Toronto. I’ve been a fan of his for years, and he’s pitched some big innings over the years for LA
Clayton Kershaw is now the only Dodger starter over the age of 26.
This season. Price is there, just absent.
If the Dodgers need anything, it is a stronger rotation. Stripling is ok, and I don’t mind seeing him go, but I would have preferred to see the Dodgers move Urias before his value completely plummets.
I would not give up on Urias. This season is all out of whack for starters. Even Gerrit Cole is not himself
My opinion on Urias is based on more than this season.
This season has only reinforced an opinion I already had.
How can you have a negative opinion about him? He was in the rotation at 19 and great for his age, got hurt, came back and pitched great in the ‘18 playoffs, and was elusively a reliever last year
Hmm, not discounting your opinion but Im still completely sold on Urias –
I wouldnt sell low right now, the stuff is completely fine and you can see the upside on the cusp
It’s his 4th year around the club and he’s regressed a bit this season not to mention the bonehead he is off the field. I’m guessing he gets 1 more season in LA.
His stuff hasn’t regressed and I think you need to look up the incident again. He got into a verbal argument with his gf in public. That is not illegal offense
If he makes it past the 4th inning, it is surprising.
Urias gets pulled because the Dodgers have a ridiculous pen right now. They aren’t desperate to try and keep running out a scuffling starter for several more innings. So talented young starters like Gonsolin, May, and Urias can be relied on when they have it, and they can be yanked early when they don’t, and before the damage is done.
Gonsolin was pulled yesterday despite giving up the first run he had all season, and it worked out just fine for the Dodgers.
That third inning when he gave up the run was most telling. He had a 4-0 lead going into the third and then seemed to lose all command. . He gave up a run (on a wild pitch) and then had the bases loaded with no outs, But he pulled it together with a pop out, strike out and strike out to escape. Showed a lot of moxie getting out of that mess with a 4-1 lead. If he would have imploded instead, I wonder if Stripling would have been traded.
OMG how dare they limit a guy who’s coming off shoulder surgery and handling a starter workload for the first time in years!!
While having the best pen in baseball! He must suck!!!
Lmao. How dare they. It’s almost like they hold him back now so he can go 7 in October and not put much strain on his surgically repaired shoulder. What fools!
That’s you Chief
Inconsistent fastball command for Urias. He’s still young and has the ability to be dominant. Some starts he has good command and does well. In some starts he doesn’t and struggles a bit with pitch count running up and a lot of traffic on the bases. Needs more consistency.
Exactly right about the fastball command. He honestly reminds me of young Kershaw, in that regard. I think Urias is still only 23 (maybe 24), but with much less mileage than that. He either has his fastball command and is dominate for 5-6 innings or doesn’t have the fastball command and struggles through 3-4 innings. I have faith he will get his fastball command in order by next season (possibly by this post season), and when that happens, he’ll be a very solid 3-4 starter (would be a 1-2 for many teams at that point) in the a Dodgers rotation for many years.
Fourth year, and yet he just turned 24. Regression isn’t worrying to me, given most guys are regressing in AA or AAA at 24.
I do think we Dodger fans are spoiled, having seen the likes of Kershaw and Buehler be called up and just become aces (not to mention Bellinger, Seager, etc being as advertised at such young ages), so we expect the same from May and Urias.
Max Scherzer took a while to become what he is now. I wonder if people remember his early days?
Excellent point, as we are very spoiled in recent years by the immediate impact and performance of prospect call-ups. As I had just compared Urias’ fastball command issues, to those of a young Kershaw — some might forget he wasn’t immediately great himself. By the end of his first full season is when he really started to show improvement. Urias hasn’t really had that full season yet, so it would only be fair to reserve full judgment on his performance, until the middle or end of next season.
Urias is only missing pitch command to be a top of rotation starter. Statistically, his pitch velocity, movement, opposing batters exit velocity, barrels missed, etc. are all above MLB average. But averaging more than 17 pitches per inning is a killer.
They have the best rotation statistically in baseball. You’re a fool
Just because you don’t know their names and they don’t all make 30M doesn’t mean they can’t pitch. Welcome to the full power of the Dodger development machine
And urias is in his first year as a starter Since shoulder surgery and first offseason in multiple seasons where he wasn’t rehabbing something. Then covid happened
Using 2020 to assess any player with any track record of success Is foolish
Thank you, Ross. A quality contributor, and while swinging between the rotation and the bullpen must have been unsettling, he always seemed to understand the needs of the team.
I agree, Cam
Strip Tease can always retire from baseball and go back to being a stockbroker, his fallback occupation. Victor Gonzales, Mitch White, Josiah Gray, Sborz,Jimmy Nelson, and Santana are all better than Strip, not to mention Bobby Miller, Knack, and Beeter…
It was time. I like Stripling but he just started sucking this year . We should’ve traded him last year. Good luck to him on the Blue Jays! Go Dodgers!
They did try to trade him already.
The Jays started this deadline so well with Taijuan Walker and I like the Villar deal.
Why oh why does a team that wants to win a world series trade for Robbie Ray and Ross Stripling? huh? Can you say awful depth?
And yes the BlueJays Manager Montoyo needs to be fired.
Ray is a good pitcher; getting out of Chase Field will do wonders. His walks are uncharacteristically high; if pitching coach can work out that issue Ray will be a very good add for Toronto. Stripling is a good, mid-inning reliever who can pitch multiple innings, or spot start when called upon.
Ray is not a good pitcher. Neither is Stripling this year.
Both of these guys will get hammered in Buffalo.
A team that wants to win a world series doesn’t have either of these guys on the team.
Both changed their approach this year. They may just plan to tell them”pitch like 2019”
Ray with his arm action trying to be Giolito and Strip throwing 92 MPH fastballs constantly up in the zone. It only takes one miss of that pitch for it to go out
What about Stripling in Toronto?
Majority of his starts there?
Still can’t get a travel exemption by 2021 is a sad thought but can’t rule out I suppose.
He survived some Coors innings.
Not so much Yankees innings.
Buffalo innings likely depend on the opponent and how healthy they are.
Ray has pitched better away from Arizona.
Didn’t pitch that well in Coors either.
Can probably handle a few Buffalo appearances.
Any starters will see 2 or 3 more Buffalo starts this year.
Maybe more if they make round 2. By then it’ll be pitch well or get buried on the bench.
If they make round 2, Ray was likely worth it. Or someone carried the team enough that nobody will care that Ray got buried.
Buffalo may tougher than Coors (after the huge 13 game sample, with 13 to go), but Ray has faced a gauntlet this year so it won’t get worse and therefore it beats the alternatives that have been in use at the back. Font to name the obvious.
At SD, at COL, at SF are 7th, 2nd, 5th most runs per game for home team so far.
Home vs LAD, HOU, SD, COL are 6th, 10th, 3rd, 23rd road offenses. Chase has played pretty neutral, but those are 3 tough teams anywhere you play and 1 lesser matchup.
Stripling faced less of a challenge but has gotten bombed by some big names so far this year: Tatis, Machado, Story, KMarte, and the Seattle Kyles. Still gonna face big names but it’s not like he’s become a dud altogether.
Better than Font, Waguespack and some of what we got from Thornton this year would be fantastic.
An Estrada type arm beyond that would be ideal, but I’ll be patient.
A team that won the last World Series milked some Daniel Hudson magic way beyond what anyone expected. Big pickup Strickland, and bottom barrel filler Rodney were buried as a result. Asdrubal and Parra weren’t mindbottling moves when made but certainly helped toward the title.
What makes you so certain to know what a World Series winning team requires there Magoo?
Yeah I agree. there’s what 5 more turns of the rotation? If tor is really worried, they can try to limit their exposure there. Playoffs are gonna be in a bubble it seems so likely a neutral park
Strip needs to stop throwing his fast ball up in the zone without getting it truly up. He doesn’t throw hard enough to nibble like he has, so a small miss= pounded. Imo he needs to go back to his off speed approach that was successful last few years
We know you don’t have a clue what a World Series team looks like Filly. In your mind Montoyo runs a dynasty.
FYI don’t care about your spin. Farts your way all day guy.
Toronto Blue Jays are out after the first round. At that point there is no way on earth Shapiro is falling on his sword so that means Atkins or Montoyo or both are gone.
Ur post is so toxic should be deleted as spam.
Aoe3 have you paid any attention to the Buffalo jet stream? Baseball is flying out of the park. Don’t see that at Chavez Ravine. Jays fans should be concerned over Stripling’s blip and Ray’s control.
We dont know what they gave up for a month of Walker, but we know it was Griffin Conine for a month of Villar so Jays already lost that trade. I assume the Walker return was bigger so Jays probably lost that one too. Heading into the off season when these guys are FA they are now down 2 prospects and maybe a first round exit. hurray!
Ray was free so i guess its fine, Stripling I agree.
Andrew Friedman on prospects coming to #Dodgers from Blue Jays: “We are definitely getting a guy that we like and feel like will fit in really well with our next crop of prospects that are coming. And then another guy that will come from a bigger list.” So one player remains PTBNL.
Praying its CJ Van Eck though that seems like a high return –
We were high on him at the draft so that kinda fits
Never know though, Sp in such demand and they get 3 playoff runs with Stripling-
Ill be stoked if its CJ
Two elite prospects for Stripling? Get a grip.
Fastball or cutter?
You missed.
Regards,
Mark
3 playoff runs are very valuable
Just because Texas didn’t cash in doesn’t mean someone didn’t pay a big price for Strip. If anything it prolly means the Jays overpaid at the end, not able to get Lynn
The Jays did not overpay. You dodger fans have the blinkers on.
Lmao. Okay dude. We’ll see when the package comes out. Let’s just say, the Dodgers don’t give away MLB quality pitching.
They traded him at 3:59 because Toronto upped its offer. They coulda just stashed him in the pen for the next 2.5 years if they weren’t bowled over
Toronto almost guaranteed overpaid and only got him because they met the Dodgers asking price. 4:00 deals for guys with that much control don’t happen if your price isn’t met. Look at Ray, Minor, Boyd last year, Lynn this year.
You are comparing him to Lynn this year and 3 guys having really good seasons last year? Sorta goes againt your nick doesn’t it?
The PTBNL will be 1 of the 4 young shorts stops we have in the 15-20 range. And one of the Guys in the 25-30 at best.
or Eric Pardinho # 13 who had Tommy John last spring + a lottery guy.
Even willing to make a gentleman’s wager on this. Interested? No one in the #1-12 range and only 1 in the 13-20 range.
I’m comparing him to guys who were held in prior trade deadlines, then had their value decrease. I’ll explain why that’s important
That likely happens for Ross in 2021 if in LA bc he would go back to being a swing man. Honestly he was on the brink of losing his rotation spot now. But, to this point, he’s held a rotation spot on the best team in baseball
He was only a starter bc Price opted out this year. He wasn’t going to ever have a rotation spot for a whole year here unless things in 2021 go wrong. So They cashed in, unlike those other guys. They didn’t risk him losing value. No one is paying what was being rumored 2 years ago for Boyd. Ray+Minor got pennies for their value last year. Lynn with 1 playoff run this offseason or next year is less valuable than him with 2. That’s just common sense.
With the prospects going back, I don’t know the Toronto farm system well, but a quick search i saw it ranked 16th Noting depth more so than star power with the recent graduations. So ranking of specific guys could be somewhat subjective list to list. Friedman said it’s someone who they like+ fits well with their next crop of prospects. Sure man, let’s see how this goes.
I expect at least one of the PTBNL is in your top 10. If Not, it’s someone more recently drafted but is seen as a fast riser guy, like Josiah Gray and Jeter Downs from the Reds last year
Baseball America recently ranked the Jays Farm #4 . Not sure here you are getting 16. Stripling profiles as a #5 starter/Swingman and the fact he is struggling lowers his value even more.
That will not bring back a top 10 guy – like i said best case would be our #13 who under went Tommy John. more like it a 15-20 and a 25-30.
Every GM says we are getting a guy we really like, had our eye on for a while, fits in with our plans. That is out of GM 101 in any sport.
Any prospect in the Top 25 is an overpay for Stripling. No offense.
Based on Friedman’s comments+ track record, I expect the Dodgers did very well here. They sold 3 playoff runs for Strip and his ability to pitch in the pen or rotation. Jays have targeted guys with high HR rate for some reason, so they must think they have a correction. Or they haven’t watched their own home games lol
Looking at Ray+Minor losing so much value year from year, and knowing Strip won’t be in the rotation in 2021 in La, his value won’t be higher. Add in it was a buzzer beater, I think the Jays raised the offer to a point LA couldn’t say no
You do remember the deal:3 yrs Stripling and 1 yr of Joc for Rengifo and a mid tier prospect?
Now you think the Jays will give up a haul for
2 yrs +1 Month of Stripling in the midst of his worse season ever?
Rose Colored Glasses mean anything?
The haul you didn’t know two of the prospects of but pretend you can judge it? Literally 2/3 Of the return. Keep telling me more. How’s your magic 8 ball?
If the BlueJays did trade Williams as rumored, they got totally fleeced. I am for trading the farm assets to win, that is the only way to win in the ALEast unless you are Tampa and get in the playoffs every 10 years.
But to trade Williams for strilping plus another? Yeesh. I hang my head in shame for shapiro and atkins.