The Blue Jays picked up another victory Monday, defeating the Rays by a 6-4 count to improve to 14-13 at almost the halfway point of the season. Few expected the Blue Jays to push for a playoff spot this season, but they’re a mere two games back of wild-card position in the American League. With the trade deadline just a week away, Toronto could wind up as a buyer. Indeed, general manager Ross Atkins said last week that the Jays are aiming to improve their rotation, and Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports that the team’s “considering” a pair of Pirates right-handers in Trevor Williams and Chad Kuhl.
Toronto’s rotation has taken multiple hits in recent days, as Nate Pearson, Matt Shoemaker and Trent Thornton have gone on the injured list. As a result, Hyun Jin Ryu, Tanner Roark and Chase Anderson are the only sure things in the club’s rotation, though Ryu’s the lone member of the trio who has offered a blend of strong bottom-line production and encouraging peripherals so far this season.
In Williams or Kuhl, the Blue Jays would land a hurler capable of contributing to their rotation beyond this season. Both are controllable for multiple years, but Williams is the more proven of the pair. The 28-year-old was a solid starter for the Pirates from 2017-18 before falling off last year, when he logged 145 2/3 innings of 5.38 ERA/5.12 FIP ball, but seems to be amid a rebound campaign. Williams has made five starts in 2020 and posted 24 1/3 innings of 3.70 ERA/4.21 FIP ball with 8.51 K/9 and 2.96 BB/9. He’s on a prorated $2.825MM salary this year and has another two arbitration-eligible seasons remaining.
Kuhl also has two arb years left after 2020, though he’s currently earning a less expensive salary than Williams (a prorated $840K). The 27-year-old is off to a decent start this season after missing all of 2019 as a result of Tommy John surgery. Kuhl has made five appearances (three starts) in the early going, averaged upward of 94 mph on his fastball and registered a 2.84 ERA/4.98 FIP with 9.0 K/9 and 3.32 BB/9 over 19 innings.
Neither Williams nor Kuhl would command a haul for the Pirates, who are well out of playoff contention. As Morosi notes, though, the Blue Jays could make for a logical trade partner because of the familiarity first-year Bucs general manager Ben Cherington has with Toronto’s farm system. Before taking over the Pirates, Cherington was a promiment part of the Jays’ front office.
Hey, anyone should be avaiable that isnt a rookie or prospect. If you can get back the right stuff, then Cherington needs to pull the trigger. I have faith in Cherington, especially after the Marte deal, and how he drafted.
Cherrington drafted the cor players on the Redsox right now. He’s a magician.
Yes Ben is an excellent drafter, but has also made several mistakes along the way. Louis Castillo, the Cuban prospect that he way over paid, Pablo Sandavol was a total bust who he signed so you see he does not walk on water, but has aged and learned… hopefully!
Badco- rusney castillo.
How do you know what the market was for either Cuban prospect? You say he over paid but you have no idea what other offers were out there. Real easy to criticize now.
While I don’t disagree that Rusney, Sandoval or Hanley were bad signings, you’re not going to find a GM with no moves they wish they could take back.
Plus Hanley and Pablo were ownership driven. It’s the Arte/Dipoto complex.
“Looking into the pst for for losers and cowards.” Coach Ditka.
You are aware that with Bob Nutting, the big name free agent wallet doesn’t exist. The Pirates free agent wallet still is the tri fold one with Velcro that my 10 and 8 year old has. We sign guys gasping for a few more paychecks and we hope to squeeze whatever baseball’s left out of them. We have to draft well to replace well.
I cam here to comment but I see my mlb1125 bot is up and working. Good work, couldn’t of said it better myself. Rookies can go to. #moreprospects Pirates can’t win the world series trophy but have chance for the best farm system trophy.
Kuhl I think has the stuff to be a really a really effective pitcher. He has a decent fastball, and really good curveball, but idk if he’ll last in the rotation. He has the making to be an extremely effective bullpen guy.
Killing it mlb. I want Brault if he is healthy. Kuhl for next year. Williams solid. Last minute losers have to settle for Holland. Call Ben up though, pirates are your one stop shop for all your trade deadline needs. Like getting a useful player and prospect all in one. Forget the rentals, shop Pittsburgh.
The Jays are not two games out of a wild card position, they are in the wildcard position.
The author was probably reading the standings on the official MLB website, which are messed up and calculate WCGB according to last year’s rules. (Which is pretty sad for the league’s official website.)
It’s also pretty sad that a sports writer can’t take the time to count who is in playoff position and who isnt.
The thing is, I can understand MLB not updating the counter calculation, it’s pretty complicated.
Top two in each division by win percentage. Then top two of the remaining 8 by win percentage per league.
Under normal rules 16-8 and 15-7 would be considered tied. New rules put 15-7 in the playoffs and 16-8 outside looking in.
It’s not complicated math for a computer to find the two highest winning percentages among 3rd or 4th place teams and work out how many wins it takes to catch them. Those are the only two wild cards that need tracking, because it’s obvious who’s in first or second place at a glance.
The regular divisional games back numbers should probably be given as games back of second instead of games back of first too (since there’s negligible point to first place this year), or another column added for games back of a second. Or just a “games out of nearest playoff spot” column. But that’s not a big deal, would just be a bonus.
Under normal rules, 15-7 would still have 2 more games to play.
Well my friend Sweet Jay took me to that video arcade in town, right, and they don’t speak English there, so Jay got into a fight and he’s all, “Hey quit hasslin’ me cuz’ I don’t speak French” or whatever! And then the guy said something in Paris talk, and I’m like, “Just back off!” And they’re all, “Get out!” And we’re like, “Make me!” It was Kuhl.
Now this is interesting. Wonder what the cost would be for both.
The youngest, farthest away from the majors, highest upside prospect available gets the pirates treasure. Pitchers and power hitters get special preference.
The only thing- all players need to be on the 60 man.
Rowdy Tellez 4 more yrs control,
# 8 Gabriel Moreno ( catcher )
#21 Patrick Murphy ( pitcher )
Ptbnl?
For pirates 4 years is only 2 or 3. Can’t be paying no long term contracts. Trade before they leave. And pirates aren’t contending for 3 more years. 18 19 20 year olds.
You have to feel for the Pirates, they finally get a competent person in charge and most trade assets they potentially would have had go in the tank or get hurt.
It’s all good. Besides Kela, everyone has a chance to rebound next season. Maybe somebody gets desperate and takes a chance. Frazier has pretty good track record. Bell has shown enough. Whatever happens just don’t call it a rebuild.
When do you think they will trade Taillon?
I think they have already traded him to Dr. James Andrews for a PTBNL.
ASAP
UCLTBNL
The Pirates bluntskull owner will demand Dan Vogelbach to play center field, thank you very much.
I thought the jays might use him as SS till Bo gets back but hey if ya want him he’s yours 🙂
Do they have the prospect capital
I don’t think so
Every team has the prospect capital to get these guys. The Milkmen might be able to put a package together.
I like a lot of the prospects in the Bluejays system. I’m sure a young up & coming team like Toronto can really be helped by a bunch of the more established Pirates pitchers and players. This is a good opportunity for the Bluejays get the first jump on stocking up their team nicely, and get some early pickings ahead of most of the other teams.
Looks like win-win for both teams here.
As a Jays fan i totally agree. With the GM’s knowing each other so well i think any trade(s) would be fair and a win for each team based on where they are at in their win cycle. Not sure if League rules allow PTBNL , all I’ve seen is that players traded must be on the 60 man.
Ben won’t trade either for a song. Both are talented pitchers and if a good return isn’t obtained it won’t happen. Both Ben and Sanders obviously know the Jays system as well as anyone.
I think you are correct, the team isn’t in contention nor will they be for a couple years but unless your getting a quality spec there is no use trading from a rotation that is not a salary burden just to get a spec in the bottom of the other teams system
Weary of acquiring guys pitching for the worst team facing the worst AL division. Williams doesn’t help the Blue Jays. Kuhl had good stuff prior to injury and should have been better than he was. Haven’t seen him this season.
Blue Jays should not be buyers. Stand pat or soft sell. Push for 2021. None of these guys move the needle in the right direction. I would make similar moves from last year that helped acquire Thomas Hatch. A decision needs to be made on Tellez/Vlad/Teoscar as there are 3 DHs not including Vogelbach. Teoscar is a mess in RF and the Blue Jays are not consistently playing Tellez enough.
2021 and beyond is the goal. Williams barely cracks the rotation if everyone is healthy. Not sure what to make of Kuhl since he doesn’t face the AL East. Forget them.
WHAT you said Wild Bill…..right on…..
Why the Jays are not thinking longterm on this is baffling. Stark turn of events. Add more chips to use, don’t blow them unnecessarily.
I doubt the Jays will do anything to seriously impair their long term chances…. so they can grab a rental to help sneak into the last playoff spot in the expanded post season field.
A small trade or bigger trade for a controllable player maybe.
Dex here’s the short list of prospects the Jays can deal (and they aren’t prospects, per say).
Zeuch
K. Smith
Harris
Warmoth
Murphy
I’m sure there are more. If Pitt wants any one of them for Kuhl, have at it.
A big trade for an impact pitcher that’s controllable would be ideal but that probably won’t end up happening, but they should think about dealing some prospects either in the offseason or at least next year that’s the only way they’ll be able to contend in the future
Agreed JaysFan.
Just FYI, PGH or maybe PIT, but in Pittsburgh “Pitt” refers specifically to The University of Pittsburgh.
But, coincidentally, Zeuch was a Pitt guy so I could see PGH or PIT having interest.
Just FYI, I do not care.
Solid take today willy.
Did you take the nap advice?
We worry about you when you get so cranky.
Wondering if there is some attempt to drive up the cost for other teams at play?
Lol, u act like it’s your decision..lol.
ssssh he thinks it is 🙂
alternate universe remember
I agree with that, I dont see the point of getting 2 guys who probably won’t make much of an impact, imo they’re main priority is to fix the DH mess cause that’s what is hurting the team most right now, rather than Tellez getting ample playing time we have a guy like Panik who plays almost everyday and doesn’t get a hit
There is no way the Pirates can trade Williams and Kuhl…without, AT LEAST, getting back the Jays’ #26 prospect. The price is firm.
Not a chance the Jays will give up prospect#26 for Williams and Kuhl. It is not going to happen if Shapiro is smart….
I was going to make a joke about how Jays would never give up #26 for anyone…. but looked it up and Thomas Hatch and Julian Merryweather are 25 and 26 on MLB rankings…. so…..
How about #24 Kevin Smith?
I can see the Rays more in play here than the Jays. Both starters are relatively cheap and controllable, and may only project as #3 or 4 starters on a competitive team, but depth is HUGE this year. #11-20 ranked prospects in the Rays system are #6-10 guys in a lot of others, including Pitt’s.
Glassnow and Yarborough have been iffy; everybody else is on the IL. Cash and Company are expert in stringing together a rotation, but that hurts a lockdown bullpen. And Morton is turning into this year’s Matt Duffy (“he’s coming back tomorrow; tomorrow never comes”); and he’s likely to retire after this year anyway.
I get the Pirates are nowhere close to contending but you can’t just give these guys away. Someone needs to give them some innings.
I was hoping for some Williams and Kuhl for Vlad Jr. type comments, but Pirates fans know they are getting Jack Squat and a PTBNL and don’t even bother.
Alright I’ll try this…Trevor Williams for Gabriel Moreno. Who blinks?
Williams for Riley Adams is more appropriate. Still a reach. Williams is a perennial underachiever and not worth either guy.
They are in wild card position right now, not 2 games out.
I think they should nevedaskas for a one way plane ticket back to Lithuania
The pirates, the worst record in baseball, still not eliminated from the playoffs. THey play anywhere close like they did over the weekend, they have a serious shot but they’d need some help from other teams.
of course… IF IF IF they keep playing like that. Personally i think they’ll be better than they where the first 20ish games but probably still come up short.
Unless they’re getting some higher quality prospects that can realistically be here in the next to seasons… don’t trade and stay the course.. for near every player.
Except bell. If you plan on trading him at some point.. now is the time given the universal DH.. but his bat hasn’t been all that good to warrant someone wanting him right now.
someone like riley adams would be a perfect fit, with some international pool for one of the two
Pretty unlikely but would be great.
Unlike Neal, Ben seems to like quality over quantity and he is really familiar with their system. Any trade with the Jays I trust his judgement.
Young, controllable starting pitchers are worth more than a 28th ranked prospect..a back-up catcher at best. You do know that right. C.Kuhl was a top 10 prospect in the Pirates system B4 he had injury problems. And he’s back healthy with a good fastball back. Trevor Williams was also a top 10 prospect in our system b4 he got called up. And was 14-10 in 2018. Both are cheap and controllable for 3-4 years. Trevor Williams is gonna bring back a 8-15th ranked prospect in someone’s system and C.Kuhl will probably bring back a prospect b/ween 13/14-25th ranked. Both are cheap and under contract for 3 to 4 more years. That’s not just a flier or a back-up catcher. Maybe maybe like Riley Adams for a one year rental.
Trevor Williams for the 35th ranked prospect would be a lucky get for the Pirates. Williams is not good enough to garner a Top 8-15 prospect from any team. Williams walks too many guys and he does not K anyone. Bring him to the AL East and he’s toast. He’s a #5.
Kuhl is the better of the two, and even he’s not bringing back a Top 8-15 prospect.
Lol..Ok, young, cheap, controllable for 3-4 years Starting pitcher..ok, 35th ranked prospect for 3-4 years of a proven starting pitcher..lol..go look at any article on what Pirate fans should expect back..I just asked the same Question in the MLB trade rumors chat to whoever their “expert” was answering Questions..go look, it’ll be under “pittsburghBOB”..What level prospect should Pirate fans expect back for Trevor Williams and Chad Kuhl. He replied “someone like Sean Reid-Foley from Toronto”. In what world does a MLB starting Pitcher with 3-4 years of control garner a 35th ranked prospect in return..lol.
Don’t waste the effort – Willy is in an alternate universe and stats/expert opinion means nothing to him if it disagrees with the narrative he is spinning on that particular day .
I’m a life long jays fan and i’d prob give you a mid-late teens and a early to 20’s prospect for both guys.
Lol, I’ve noticed. He’s just crazy..Somehow he believes this nonsense. I just hope the Jays trade for some starting pitcher that is not a rental so he’s aware of the price for the future. Go into the MLB Trade Rumors home and look at the most recent transcript of trade questions. It’s asked.. “What will T.Williams and Chad Kuhl bring back.” “What type of prospects??” His answer was, if Toronto, I can’t see them giving up a young, top prospect, someone like Alex Manoah he said, But he said a prospect like S-Reid-Foley is a good example. So does value like Riley Adams fit/seem probably in anyone’s mind besides his?? Lol.
I was in the chat and saw your question 🙂 We would have to find room for Riley on our 40 man this fall or expose him to Rule 5 (making him the 5th catcher on our 40 man ) so yes i can see him being a fit .
It’s the rude way of saying the trade is not supported unless it’s very low ball value.
Someone that is likely running out of chances like Reid-Foley seems like a fair example.
Feels like the Jays could make room for Polanco on rental as a way to bring flexibility into the equation.
Pay Polanco 2021 to get better prospects from Pirates side, or vice versa to limit the return on Jays side.
Similar blueprint to Liriano trade, though that one may make the Pirates a little nervous.
If I were a cranky, rude dingus, I’d still point out that a move like this is a waste of time for the Jays.
Still fun to play some what-if.
In 2018 S-Reid-Foley was your 10th ranked prospect and at the beginning of 2019 b4 he was called up was your 14th. Trevor Williams was a top 10 prospect when we had Glasnow, Meadows, M.Keller all in our farm system and Kuhl was a top 15. Kuhl got hurt but look like his fastball is back. It’s been back up this year in mid 90’s. And both are under contract for the next 3-4 years. That’s the big thing. You get 3-4 years of a proven MLB starting Pitcher. Yes they are on a bad team, and a bad defensive team too. Put them on a good team, like G.Cole. I’m not saying either are G.Cole but both will tremendously improve on a better team like Cole did.
That’s the thing, sometimes a fair trade for guys who a change of scenery might work wonders or give them a chance to move up because of others blocking them. SRF and Riley are 2 good examples.
Yes flithyrich, probably isn’t gonna put you over the top. Hence not trading a young, top prospect. But defiantly gives you pitching depth and A Proven Starting Pitcher in Trevor Williams, and C.Kuhl has higher upside. But both being under contract for 3-4 years is the value. It’s in what I would think, Jays fan would think, is a window for them to compete w/ their young talent. Both would be more valuable next year or even in 2-3 years. That’s the value, the 3-4 years of control of someone proven. Not even a N.Pearson(who everyone thinks is gonna be good and I do too) but very well, could have a worse 3 year start than Trevor Williams( who was 14-10 in 2018 on a bad team).
14 Wins, 170 innings pitched and 3.11 ERA in his 2nd full season would be a great second year for N.Pearson..1st full year had 150 innings pitched, 7 Wins and a 4.07 ERA..on bad teams. Add acouple wins each year on a good team. And Pirates are a bad defensive team too.
And someone says Trevor Williams walks too many batters; that just shows how little they know about him or any value he would have. He actually pounds the strike zone low. Ground ball Pitcher. He has 23K’s and 8 BB this year..lol..walks too many batters..lol.
I’d be mining for ex-Rockies pitchers on a similar mentality.
The Japan and KBO path is quite interesting too.
No shortage of wild card possibilities in the world of pitching.
Coin flips everywhere.
Speaking of coin flip wild cards…
Wondering if Chase Anderson or Tanner Roark get included in a package as a way for a team to get better prospects from the Jays.
Brought in to eat innings, not doing that.
No real spot for them if fresh arms are brought in?
Rather see the young guys that are currently getting their chance continue to get that chance rather than bumped back to alternate site and remain question marks.
I am very intrigued by both. We need pitching and it will be late next yr -2022 before our next top pitching prospects are ready. Unlike many Jays fans i think being competitive helps a young team and don’t mind losing some prospect from the bottom half of our top 30. Last thing we need come Rule 5 time is losing guys for nothing. We are a 500 team now for sure or bit better. Add a few peripheral guys to add a couple wins here and there and then when we really hit our stride make a splash for a big name . We can do this without gutting our farm and keep a flow of top talent flowing to the bigs.
That’s a good point, free up a few bucks as well for the off season.
Bottom line though i hope we come out of the trade deadline and not have to look at shaw/drury/panik at the bottom of our batting order. Those Sub .200 line #’s turn my stomach.
I agree..I think you guys would be very happy w/ Trevor Williams and Chad Kuhl. Chad Kuhl the bigger upside and bigger arm but injured the last 2 years. His fastball is back up though to 95-96 this year. And both are 28 years old. Getting them in their prime. If Trevor Williams is your 5th starter he would be the top 1% of 5th starters in MLB. He would be favored to beat 98% of any 5th starter in MLB. Pounds the strike zone. Gives up few HR. Ground ball pitcher. Drafted in the 2nd round. Good pedigree. Prototype pitcher 6’3, 235 pounds. Atleast 3 years under contract. Maybe 4. I’d be interested to see him on a better team. Same with Chad Kuhl.(if he stays healthy, he’s filthy; same thing, 9th round pick out of HS, highly touted prospect). Both are defiantly more reliable and in my opinion, better than T.Roark, Chase Anderson, M.Shoemaker, T.Thornton.
Ya, if Trevor Williams is your 3rd starter like he is for us. Yes, you’re probably in trouble. But when he was our 5th starter. We were a wild card team(Well in the wild card race, lol). When we had J.Tallion, C.Archer, J.Musgrove, I.Nova and T.Williams. And he was our 4th until Archer came. He was 14-10 with a 3.11 ERA, that’s a good year, for a 2nd full season, on a bad defensive and mediocre offensive team.
I would trade J.Tallion for A.Kirk and Kloffenstein and Ryan Borucki. Tallion is a real Ace. Atleast a #2 on any play-off team. #2 overall pick. I would love to see him on a good team. He’s a stud, hopefully he comes back the same. I expect he will though with surgery and rehab like it is today. And he’s a good clubhouse guy. He’s gonna rehab his ass off. He’s that kind of guy. We are gonna end up moving him. But probably once he gets healthy and his value is higher.
Ryu, Pearson, Roark…uh oh, Williams is not the #3 for the Blue Jays when everyone is healthy. Williams is hard-pressed to be better than Thornton. Williams is the #5, as stated above.
Trevor Williams for Patrick Murphy and a PTBNL. There it is.
Marko did you see Teoscar’s throw to home plate last night at 6-3? Did you see how badly he missed home plate and the cut? No, you probably did not since you do not watch baseball as a fake Jays fan.
That throw will not show up in your metrics of UZR and other crap you want to believe as gospel.
Chad Kuhl would be worth the early 20’s prospect. Trevor Williams is not. Please stop giving into this Pirate simp.
Lol, go look at the latest article about teams fans w/ good and bad trade ideas..lol..Yours are all over there as bad and mine are as good..lol..Pittsburgh simp?? U do know pirates have more WS rings than Toronto probably ever will get, right? One good year and a few good prospects and Toronto fans think their organization is all of a sudden great. U know Pirates had a better record than Toronto last year w/ all your “stud” prospects..lol..Hence, your A.Martin draft pick and our N.Gonzalez. Let’s not even begin to starting talking about the Penguins origination and the Maple Leafs.
You’ve provided nothing good.
Your last title was 1979. Your team has existed for over 120 years. I’d expect your squad to have more titles. Unless you are over 50 years old you wouldn’t remember the Pirates winning a WS.
Why would you bring up hockey? Would you like to compare Stanley Cups too? Guess who has more? Irrelevant argument brought by you, a simp.
Last year your squad tried to do some winning. Blue Jays were rebuilding. Who cares about the 2019 record other than you? Jays are far yet not that far. They have money, Pirates do not. Blue Jays are capable of outspending everyone. Pirates aren’t.
Your new nickname sticks. You helped my argument immensely.
Lol..it proves u have no clue what has value and what doesn’t. And what prospects are worth and what they are not…just stop loser..u look dumb.
The Blue Jays organization has been just as bad as the Pirates for years..what are u talking about. They must have been rebuilding for 20 years according to u..lol.
Trevor Williams and Chris Stratton for G.Connie, Kendall Williams and R.Tellez..awe man, u might lose two 12-18 ranked prospects, and a failed prospect w/ no value for 3 years of 2 Pitchers u hate.. that sucks…I think that was rated an “A” trade by someone who has probably talked to more GM’s and baseball people, and understands what GM’s value and what they dont. And what prospects are worth and what they arnt more than u ever will. That wasn’t even my trade idea, mine was the Josh Bell for S.Huff and R.Guzman. The trade idea, I thought, for Toronto getting T.Williams were similar though, but way far off from what u somehow think.
Trevor Williams and Chris Stratton for G.Connie, Kendall Williams and R.Tellez. awe man, u might lose two 12-18 ranked prospects, and a failed prospect w/ no value for 3 years of 2 Pitchers u hate.. that sucks…I think that was rated an “A” trade by someone who has probably talked to more GM’s and baseball people, and understands what GM’s value and what they dont. And what prospects are worth and what they arnt more than u ever will. That wasn’t even my trade idea, mine was the Josh Bell for S.Huff and R.Guzman. The trade idea, I thought, for Toronto getting T.Williams were similar though, but way far off from what u somehow think.
We agree. I will stop. I’ll have real discussions with someone in my league. Can’t have them with the guys bringing up hockey or saying “….u look dumb”. Really can’t argue with a simp lacking proper writing skills even for a minor. Best of luck to you, sincerely.
I kinda wanna hear about the Penguins origination.
Organization.
I know what you meant.
But still.
Most interested in the players that carried the Penguins to glory. Lemieux and Crosby in particular. Hailing from Jays country.
About 75% of Blue Jays fans hate the Maple Leafs. Any insults you got for the Leafs are welcomed.
Can we compare Pittsburgh basketball to Toronto instead?
I think the Raptors have more titles than the Pittsburgh Never Made It Out of the ABAs.
Vancouver franchise even has more wins than that Pittsburgh squad.
I’m fine with the grammar, and huge rant paragraphs, and the general baseball knowledge there pittsburghbob, but linking the Leafs and Jays is enough to get a Canadian beer poured on your head with half a poutine dumped in your lap.
@filthyrich .. Lol, I have a long day tomorrow, gonna get some sleep; will be back on here tomorrow night. BTW, yes, the Raptors are a hell of a lot more competent than Pittsburgh’s basketball team..lol. Actually, the Raptors have probably been one of the best organizations in Sports in the last 5-10 years. Good luck this year in the bubble!! I like Siakam and OG Anunoby. Good young core to build around. Plus If VanFleet can stay healthy. I think the Raptors might be one of the only teams to play defense still now-a-days..!!
Good stuff, I will enjoy the Canadian beer and poutine now. No need for any spills!
@filthyrich .. Good pick-up in a rental w/ T.Walker. Hope the PTBNL isn’t someone u like or he helps u guys makes the play-offs. Goes 3-0 the rest the year for u guys. Or you can sign him next year.
I think the Pens made a bad trade trading the Leafs their 1st round pick(15th overall) and a good prospect in Flip Hallender for Kapanen. Hallender was like our 8th-9th ranked prospect. We have a very poor farm system(we haven’t had a 1st round pick in years), Hallender is still a good prospect though. Even w/ Kapanen being cheap and very Cap friendly for the next 3 years. I think like 3M/year(super cheap). And the Pens are running out of time w/ Crosby, Malkin and Letang’s window closing. But I still hate the trade. Kapanen isn’t a top 6 forward at all IMO. I think the Leafs stole a 1st round pick and a good young prospect in Hallender. And cap relief w/ Rodriguez’s expiring contract.
Trevor Williams has been non-tendered. Looks like you and Bob really struck out on this trade for Trevor Williams idea. Controllable yet awful starting pitcher. Now the Jays can grab him without giving up any prospect. Funny how that works?
That young controllable pitcher has been non-tendered for the reason of sucking on the pitcher’s mound. You were right, Bob, in what world is Trevor Williams worth a 35th ranked prospect in any organization? He wasn’t even worth that! Thanks for playing.
Riley Adams/Gabby Moreno and Kevin Smith need to be added to our 40 this year. So i’d make Riley Adams available. Can’t see us carrying 5 catchers on our 40 man.
I don’t agree that we should kick the can on down the road another year for contention- the service clock is ticking on our core already and realistically it will be 2022 before our next big wave of prospects then a year for them to settle puts us into 2023 before full contention.
I don’t think we should push all in either but we can make trades to make ourselves incrementally better and be competitive. This is a unique year of for us to gain valuable experience for our young core and what sort of message will be sent if we start selling off important pieces ( bull pen for example ) who aren’t FA’s .
We need to deal from our positions of strength to fill the areas of weakness.
Get a jump start on the off season if we can make trades that help us now along with the future.
With my above comments in mind here are 2 trades i’d like to see the Jays explore.
#1 Rental- Angels/Jays
La Stella/Castro for Murphy or Zuech+ pocket change.
DFA Dury and Panik . Send McGuire to alternate.
Free’s up 3 x 40 man spots for off season –
Helps us with our back up middle infield probs and at catcher. and possibly look at resigning La Stella to a 2 yr deal as a utility.
#2 Blockbuster -Mariners /Jays
Walker/Gonzales/Seager for Adams/Kay/Wags/Shaw and Groshans.
Walker – a FA but helps this year to plug a hole, Solid #2A pitcher controllable for 5 more years. Seagar -2 yrs left, middle of the order bat we need and let’s face it the Shaw experiment at 3rd didn’t work. Seattle gets a couple good prospects/Shaw to replace Seager at a much lower salary and a couple pitchers.
Opens up 1 Roster spot on 40 in off season.
So we add Moreno and Smith and we still have 2 open 40 man spots.
I know some of you will freak about Groshans but what is the strongest prospect pool we have? Middle infielders/3b. Martin/Martinez/Hiraldo/Smith/Lopez/Jimenez.
Maybe Seattle would go for 2 of Hiraldo/Smith/Lopez/Jimenez but it will likely take Groshans to pry away Gonazles.
We give up one top prospect to make ourselves competive now and next few yrs while we wait the next wave and we aren’t sat treading water wasting our core’s service time .
Both of those trades would work really well, although I like trading for La Stella because then we can have a utility that actually hits over .100.
Although dealing Shaw for seager makes a lot of sense we still have 3 players at the DH spot, so I’d like to see the jays trade one of them maybe Hernandez for an outfielder or a controllable Arm, or trade Tellez, the only issue there is that both players have so much potential so it’d be hard to let either of them go,
But that’s just my take on it. They need to make a move one way or another their playing too well to just stand pat and do nothing
I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever someone mentions Hernandez. The sample size since June 5th last yr is large enough now to point to a break out as he enters his prime versus a “hot streak” .
I don’t think we’d get great value on him just yet. Maybe wait a year by then rival Gm’s may be true believers and/or he’s the bat we’d be insane to trade.
Tellez imo would be the lesser of 2 evils.
I like the way Teoscar is trending offensively. Coming into his prime now. Hope he can be Edwin 2.0. The power is definitely there.
My thinking as well . Edwin 2.0 plus, much better speed if he learns to use it properly.
Unless Teoscar is your DH he is someone to deal. He is the worst OF in recent memory, and that includes Corey Patterson and Moises Sierra.
If a team thinks Teoscar is great and is willing to deal, Jays should be open to it. Cleveland should be one of those teams. Teoscar is Soler-lite.
Actually his defense has been improving each of the last 3 yrs. UZR- 2018- (-11). 2019 (-4.4) 2020 Thus far- (+1.9 )
Guess who has the following UZR -2010 (-4.1 ) 2011- (-9.1 )
Guess you would have traded that RF as well at 2011 deadline?
Really Bill for such a ” deep thinker” you don’t do much research before making statements do you.
Well Parksy/Marco, unlike you I watch the baseball games. And, with a plus 1.9 it is clear the stats are flawed, and I will explain why.
If he is pulling in an above average rating that means the UZR is not properly assessing plays Teoscar should have made in the OF, and if the scorekeeper is not calling certain plays an error. They really can’t, because missing a cutoff man or making the cutoff man run miles to your throw won’t necessarily show up on the defensive metrics. It should, but it is not normally assessed properly.
And if you were watching games, and it is evident you haven’t, you’d know that Teoscar has probably cost the team at least two games just against Tampa alone due to poor play. The total is probably three or four, but since he’s hit the ball well we can put the total of games costed to an even 3. UZR pick that up? Nope.
Now that you mention Bautista, I wonder what the Jays could have received for him in 2011 had they traded him, and also must wonder how good the Jays would have been without him in 2015-17 with the players received. Not saying I would have dealt him, but if you watched baseball games (you don’t), you’d know Bautista was a better defender than Teoscar without using the flawed UZR stats I just poked holes in. As if UZR can properly determine Teoscar’s poor routes and awful throws that do not count as errors.
Think deeper Parksy.
Oh so now the stats are all flawed because the ole wise one says so lol.
I know the math hurts your head right?
Hmm guess he isn’t the worse outfielder in recent memory now is he.
And you want to trade him for a immature 23 yr old who was a # 5 starter last year who’s had all of 3 good starts this year??
Must be nice living in that alternate universe of yours.
You need to take another nap in the rocking chair before game time gramps.
Teoscar for Plesac? Yes. He’d be the #1 or #2 on Toronto. Not #5.
Again, UZR leans on errors made. If a scorekeeper does not call an error or a play resulting in extra bases then it is a flawed stat. Teoscar’s misplays have resulted in such, and you should know that.
Not sure who’s worse, you or your burner account Parksy. Neither bring much knowledge to the table. The next time you bring a flawed stat make sure you know how to explain it.
Not sure who this parksy is you go on about, your imaginary friend?
Look at any defensive UZR/DRS/RZR measurements and he’s been improving . Is he a gold glover no , does he make misreads/ routes – sure but he also has an arm that makes up for some of those.
But he is far from the worse outfielder ever =hyperbole much??
He has a borderline elite middle of the order bat and you want to make a huge hole in our line up by trading him!
You want to trade that for a pitcher who’s had 3 good starts that’s it. All the projections zips/steamer etc have him as a #5 starter as does his 2019 results but hey they are all wrong because willy says so.
You need to get a grip on reality.
The Jays should fire their entire analytics Dept and hire wacky willy and make use of his all knowing , all seeing wisdom.
Best put in a call into Ross asap- what a joke.
Missing another point guy.
Or avoiding.
The stat shows improvement. Flawed as it may be.
Teoscar is less atrocious in the field now than he was in 2020 is the comment in question.
Not that crazy to suggest.
I’m not really buying it, but it’s not farfetched.
Range and total errors haven’t really improved.
D-War appears to be slight improvement too but speaking of flawed stats…
Worst OF in recent memory?
I’d call him a push with guys like Castellanos, JD Martinez and Soler.
The real problem is the Jays lack of options, never disputing that point.
Could’ve signed Castellanos, JD Martinez cheaper than market to boot.
Soler wasn’t exactly expensive.
It’s not that hard to give a civil response you realize.
It can actually be fun.
*than he was in 2018.
I made a typo. Apologies for not being perfect.
Maybe I should be an MLB manager.
Lmao – for sure ! Thanks for the chuckle . 🙂
Teoscar should have caught Vazquez’s ball in CF last night. UZR will not affect his miss. You probably didn’t see it because you do not watch baseball. You want to use analytics yet have no clue what the numbers mean or how to use it.
BTW, Bautista could play the infield too. Stop the comparison. Bautista was a better hitter than Teoscar.
Teoscar is the worst OF on the team. This is not hyperbole. Again, your argument does not measure his awful routes on flyballs, groundballs, bad throws etc. What is helping him are the assists where a runner mistakenly tests his arm because scouts know his arm is inaccurate and will take the risk. Again, you do not know that.
If you are correct about Teoscar, teams should be lining up to deal their prospects for him. You wouldn’t take prospects? I would! Sell high.
Oh Filthy, it takes you two back to back comments to make a point and you usually miss the mark. BTW, how was Montoyo last night? Up by a few runs and you bring in Font with a lead? Then Cole afterward. If Cole was available he should have been in. Font is a mop-up guy and opener. But yes, keep telling everyone Montoyo is the greatest manager ever and irreplaceable.
The original point was being open to dealing Teoscar. The Jays should be open to dealing him if a team calls them with a great offer. You and Marco/Parksy suddenly want to call me out for not being “civil”? Marco took the first swing so I swung back. Oh well. I didn’t know making a defense was a crime in your books. Feel free to start reading from the beginning before you respond.
Just an FYI, I don’t care.
Farts in your direction.
Bochy and Maddon messed up lineups too.
Take a nap cranky willy.
Stand pat. Jays are playing with house money right now. Thanks to expanded playoffs in this unique season, the Jays should get in. I like the Jays chance with Ryu in a wildcard too, but not beyond.
Pretty sure this year isn’t a one game wild card we are use to but a 2 out 3 in the higher ranked Teams park. Season ended now we’d have 2 of 3 in Oakland.
As far as I’m concerned we have 1 playoff worthy starter in Ryu maybe shoemaker game 2 but other than that I don’t think they can go very far with the pitching depth they currently have
I agree that’s why im so gung ho on getting Gonzales. 5 yrs on a team friendly for a good #2a pitcher. I think Shoemaker might be toast for the year. Next yr Ryu/Pearson/Gonzales is a really good top 3 and the yr after Ryu/Pearson/Gonzales/Manoah/SWR .
In the back of my mind i think it would be an easier sell to Rogers for extra $$ in the off season if we make some waves in this yrs play offs.
Think bigger.
Yea shoemakers off to a rough start but I think In a regular season he could really turn it around, I think they should resign him for 1 more year but they do need to make a trade for another pitcher no doubt
Williams’ game was really hurt by the juiced ball last year, I think that’s pretty evident. As a Pirates fan, Williams is my favorite player, very easy to root for. Just a solid guy, would be sad to see him go, but happy that we would get to play for a winning team.
Trevor Williams and Steven Brault are both very easy to root for. As Pirates fans know, the both of them have been roommates through the years, and even have hosted their own podcast shows together. A couple of very knowledgeable and entertaining men these are…. and they can pitch pretty darn well too.
Brault in fact is very talented, with a great singing voice, and he has even sung the national anthem on occasion.
It would be sad to lose any of them (Kuhl included, who has looked very sharp this season).
But the Pirates need to look forward and keep building, while the Bluejays are just now hitting their stride. It’s obvious that Toronto is already a good team, as shown by their many great comebacks this season alone. Now is a fine time to add the seasoning that transforms a good team into a championship-calibre ball club.
With all the injuries so far and you know more will come , we cannot afford to trade away any pitchers.
Maybe blue jays can call the Indians for clevinger or Plesac and give up teoscar Hernandez and a prospect for one of those two
I suggested something like that. I made the fake Jays fans who enjoy 3rd and 4th place really mad. They believe Teoscar should be on the Jays Level of Excellence. They are used to mediocrity and hate winning. I do like your idea.
Yep trade him for a good controllable SP, he’s probably our best bet in getting starting pitching unless we deal our prospects, unless they play to trade for an actual CF and have Hernandez DH I don’t see the point of keeping him, because we’ll have the same lineup problems as last year, and I’d also like to see them trade for a utility that can hit over .200, although Espinal is looking really good.
YES! I’m getting flack for even thinking about the idea. If the core is Vlad, Bo, Biggio and Gurriel along with Grichuk, Teoscar is expendable. He’s breaking out, he has some control and teams would love his bat. Acquiring a pitcher who can duel it out for the #1 spot with Ryu and Pearson is the goal. Williams and Kuhl do not do that.
I would also say the Jays have to be open for a 3B also.
Espinal is doing what you want at an affordable price. I’d keep him around.
Yea the jays need a guy at 3rd, Shaw hasn’t worked out at all this year and they need a legit 3B I think Kyle Seager is an option they could consider, he plays good defence and can hit for power and average
Unreal how arrogant you are wacky willy, anyone who disagrees with you is a “fake” fan or “subpar” fan or not in your “league ” . You should have a look in the mirror before you cast stones , many of your comments are asinine .
Right now Teoscar is on pace for a 4.5-4.8War season .
I’ll try and make this simple to follow
1- He has 3 yrs remaining
2- He is entering his prime.
3- 3 yrs x 4 War=12
You wan to trade that, create a massive hole in the middle of our order for Plesac?
A guy who all the projections peg as a #5 starts. go look up steamers/ zips etc.
as does his results last year.
So you want to give up a 4-4.5War everday player for a guy with baggage, who people with a heck of alot more baseball knowledge then you peg as a #5 , # 4 at best. All based on 3 starts???
You sir are delusional .
Yes Teo would play better at DH/possibly 1st but he’s an asset not to be sold cheaply for some punk with 3 good starts.
By your thinking we should be able to get alot more for Romero then Hader based on this yrs results and service time remaining . Let’s do it !! 3 x Top 100 prospects!
So you admit you haven’t been watching Teoscar play this year? His defensive liabilities arguably cost the Jays last night’s game. Arguably. If he’s in the prime of his career and he’s far and away better than Plesac will ever be, that’s even better; deal him for more than Plesac because Teoscar is a prime-time stud. It will take a bold deal to get the Jays over the top. My original point: UNLESS TEOSCAR IS YOUR DH. That is where he should be if the Jays want to be a contender.
But you decided to pick a fight. Watch him play the outfield closely. Last night was a great example of how UZR cannot measure how bad he is and has been. He legitimately cost the Blue Jays another victory.
I totally agree with that he should’ve caught that ball last night, it would’ve been a huge out and they probably would’ve got out of the inning, but I think the best option for the jays is to keep him at DH, I think he’s the bat the jays have been missing since Edwin left, so unless you find a game changing starter that’s either an ace or at least a #2 I really don’t see the point of trading him just because of his offensive potential.
My 2 points were
1- He’s NOT the worse outfielder ever. and we’ve had poor defensive outfielders in the past who’s bat made up for it.
2-He’s worth a lot more then Plesac .
And i did watch last night game, its funny as heck how you attempt to belittle others.
I’d say Charlie bringing in Font cost us the game. Font has had a couple good outings but he’s blown up enough this year to show he should only be used in a blow out .
You deserve to be belittled. No Blue Jays fan, other than you, would say Teoscar Hernandez was a better defender in the outfield than Jose Bautista. If there are other OFs worse than Teoscar please name them. I’ll take one name off your list: George Bell. He was bad. Still better than Teoscar and he played over 30 years ago in Toronto. Not exactly recent.
Again, an adequate OF catches the fly ball to CF that Teoscar missed. Font shouldn’t have been in, yes. Does not excuse the misplays. That includes his awful throw home on a runner he could have thrown out.
See there ya go again- what a complete J/A of you are. Read what i said, nowhere did i say Teo was better OF then Jose, I put a couple of Jose’s stats up to show he wasn’t a gold glove either. But hey make up anything you want to fit your narrative .It’s obvious you are a narcissistic dimwit and you aren’t worth bothering with.
In al honestly, I’d rather keep Hernandez at DH, trade tellez because clearly he wouldn’t get any playing time, use the prospects to get a defensive CF and an offensive 3B/Utility, and sign an impact free agent pitcher in the offseason, rather than trading for a starter who’s always going to be at the back end of the rotation
The issue this offseason is the selection of pitchers to choose from. That impact pitcher might not be available given who will be available. Hence the trade route. In fact, all needs you mention might have to come via trade.
Williams was tagged today by the White Sox. He would not make the Jays a better team going forward. Sure, Jays could trade for him and give up little. Jays would still need to make a deal for that impact pitcher and position player of-need.
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I agree totally, Why make a big hole in our batting order that will need to be filled.
Remote chance of it but the Mariners/Angels trades i mentioned the other day make so much sense for this year and beyond.
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You nailed it. Someone like Flaherty for Teo + plus .(unlikely) otherwise he’s a big middle of the order bat that we do not have anyone to replace him right now.
Jack Flaherty? For Teoscar? What???
Teoscar, plus Groshans and Biggio for Flaherty just to enter the conversation. It would take a prospect capital of mammoth proportions to get Jack Flaherty.
You are blind as well aren’t you, or just can’t read? do you not see Teo + plus?
Your valuation of players show’s your total lack of knowledge with respect to player valuation.
War like any stat isn’t the final word in valuation but. it does have significance.
Flaherty is on pace to be a 6-7 War pitcher with 3 yrs remaining =21 War (highside)
Hernandez 4-5 War x 3 yrs -12 War (lowside)
Biggio- 4-5 war x 5 Yrs -20 War ( lowside)
So you woud trade 32 War of talent for 21 War? Plus give up Groshans our #2 prospect., plus more?
Sweet merciful $%# , rival Gm’s would love you , they’d fleeze you year after year.
Oh and before you go on about how this is Biggio and Teo’s ” career” yrs, well pitchers have a much higher risk of injury.
But hey i guess War is another stat that means absolutely nothing because wacky willy says so.
Your sense of reality is null and void.
Flaherty is a major daydream.
The value doesn’t need to be equal when a bidding war among a dozen teams would ensue if he were to be made available.
Even the Pirates guys will fetch more than they are worth due to the lack of available arms likely to be available in the next 5 days.
But I dunno, I have honestly never watched baseball.
Big Bang Theory is way better than watching Jays and surfing between any and all other baseball that I can get my eyes on.
And on days when I go to get some throws in at the local mound or when we get field access for batting practice, I am sadly unable to figure out how to record the games to watch later.
So it’s just more Big Bang Theory.
I really just wish Charlie would go get a strong defensive CF off the old CF tree. One that can hit though. And maybe swing past the old pitching tree to grab some arms to use that are better than his current choices.
And I also wish that other teams wouldn’t compete against the Jays at the pitching tree. We should get first pick of talent without others driving up the cost. In my opinion.
I’m such a Sheldon sometimes. Sorry gang.
Hey Mr Big Bang
Loved the show as well !
I agree on trade value but my point was you also don’t make a huge over pay unless you are one of the Top 4-5 teams in the running for a WS title.
(We-“Jays” are not )
and Hernandez/Biggio/Groshans + others is a huge overpay .
My original point was we only move Teo in a packaged pure” Baseball” win/win trade for a pitcher like Flaherty.
But someone we know and love needs new glasses and can’t read properly or give it some thought before jumping in with his commentary.
I guess my mistake being you need to spell everything out in the most minute detail for some ( won’t mention any names ) to understand the context and meaning even then if you disagree with him watch out.
More apologies, realized I’m more of a Howard.
Would it have to be a pitcher with a few years?
We might be a few days from a Realmuto rental being a possibility?
Already looking like Bauer will be a chip again?
Take on Arenado’s contract?
Would be thrilled with a trade like that, even if Teoscar and a catcher was included. Anything to keep the young arms in the system.
Smart money says don’t go the rental route, but adding Bauer and Realmuto to the current squad moves their 2020 chances from 0.01% to the 10-20% neighbourhood.
In my unprofessional estimate.
Hearing others talk about the Jays games that I don’t watch has me thinking that a veteran catching presence would solve a huge hole in this team.
How many times do we gotta see the catchers get crossed up?
Both active catchers are still chips. Not main course chips, but solid appys.
With depth at the position on the way, I don’t think it would be crippling to trade one in a package.
Thing is middle of the order bat like Teoscar with 3 cheap yrs is not easy to find. I feel trade with Angels -Tommy La Stella and Jason Castro – both free agent so should be cheap. Fix’s 2 x needs
1- Catcher – Castro isn’t Realmuto but his Ops of .736 is much better then either of our 2.
2- Gives us a 2b/3b Utility guy who can play SS in a pinch.
I really feel that we need to give some of our other pitchers chances to fill the SP if we can’t get a guy like Gonzales with loads of term . Yamaguchi/Kay then piggyback Hatch/Merryweather.
Remainder of this yr should be about being competitive and grabbing that #7 #8 spot without dealing much away and giving all the unproven guys a chance – see what we have and give the guys a taste of playoff baseball.
Unless- and this is a big unless a blockbuster came alone that could help and and in the future.
I’m big on Hernandez because he’s just now entering his prime and establishing value. if he keeps this up which i think he can ( Full year 35-40 hr 850-950 OPs ) he will be worth alot more next trade deadline or even this off season. Even if he’s moved to DH.
I’ll shut up now and watch the game . Have a great evening !
I’d love to see the jays go after a guy like Vazquez because you’re right pitchers are getting crossed up too many times with these young catchers, I think they option McGuire and bring in Vazquez because he is under control till 21’ and he brings a veteran catcher’s skills which the jays desperately need, not to mention he can actually hit for average and power
He would be another option for sure if the price wasn’t too high . Hits better then Castro but Castro walks more and has a slightly higher OPS and would be cheaper. Both would give us that Vet catcher we need so badly.
On another note- I’m really glad they are giving Espinal a chance lately, i’ve liked him for a while now and hate seeing Panik played ahead of him.
Great stuff fellas.
I’m just dreaming big with Realmuto, but it seems clear that my sources on the veteran catcher need are correct.
Kurt Suzuki another option that is upcoming FA, affordable. More realistic to discuss, but not as fun.
When you say ‘watch the game’, are you telling me that I missed Big Bang Theory? Nuts. Why do I even bother going outside!
Filthy now you got me thinking ~ lol Scary thought i know….
If there was a way to trade for Realmuto knowing we could extend him….
1- That bat
2-Veteran catcher to deal with our young pitchers – now and on the way 3-Give us a surplus of young catching talent for trade chips. 2 guys on our roster with Kirk/Moreno on the way.
hmmm. food for thought.
I think the Phillies fans would revolt though if they traded him now unless it was a stellar package which we shouldn’t pay at this stage of our cycle for a 1 Month + playoff rental.
If they lose the next 4 days, their fans will be revolting for not getting something of value back for Realmuto!
Huge chain of events would be needed.
Jays probably need to win 3 of next 4 as well to be willing to go that big with it!
Still do not get Charlie’s BP usage. Last night when the game was far from over he uses Font who implode’s once again , then tonight when we are up by 8 he uses Bass. Charlie would suck at chess having to think 4-5 moves ahead would short circuit him.
I think the doubleheader combined with Thornton’s short starts really have everyone digging deep right now.
8 games and 27 IP from the starters is turrrrible.
Bullpen has to be getting close to that rec tournament mode where by the end it just comes down to who can still lift their arm.
Not that extreme, obviously, but relative to a normal year’s bullpen, these guys have to be pretty drained..
Bass should’ve been available 25th. Seems odd.
3rd day off after going back to back? Maybe fighting something minor?
Font seems like he agreed to go on a date with Shapiro’s niece and is now guaranteed prime innings. Costanza-esque.
But he also seems like a guy who will never admit he is tired, so probably gets used a lot more than he should for that simple reason.
haha yea Font must have something on one of them ..
I wish they’d use the taxi squad more like they did today – cycle guys with options.
And get it into Charlie’s head guys who struggle, play with blowouts one way or the other. For example Borucki has been dealing with control lately and walking more, why not use him in the 8th and 9th when up by 8 , let him work on things in game action and save Bass and SRF .
You know alot of people poo-poo us doing anything or even how we should be selling but think about it in 2015 terms.
Back then our core was 30+ and we went all in for 2 shots. In 2015 all the talk was how Boston and NYY were” retooling”
Fast forward to now out positional core are 20 something’s – once again Red Sox ( suck) Yankees- injuries up the wazoo and we went 4-6 against Tampa .
We have holes yes but with some smart moves we could push NY for the 2nd spot, especially seeing how we have 10 games in Sept. We are 2 back now.
Why not have a contention window 5-6 yrs long vs 3-4??
1x SP, 3b , Catcher. CF- with Defense
And IMO we have options for SP –
(Kay/Yama/Hatch/Merryweather) plus a few guys like Murphy worth having a look at as Long relief etc.
Sooo.. Get a 3B , Vet Catcher.
Make proper use of our BP and SP options .
We could do this and not lose any of our top 10 prospects.
I don’t get “fans” who want to punt the contention can on down the road a year.
We can enjoy the ride, really have a look at who is who long term and then make some tweaks in the off season.
If the opportunity came up “Realmuto” for say a mid teen prospect or a SP with term ( Gonazales) go for it.
Otherwise it wouldn’t cost alot to patch the holes and really have a good look. and wha will we get for FA BP guys? We don;t need another Pannone or Thornton type