The Blue Jays have discussed shortstop Andrelton Simmons with the Angels, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi reports (Twitter link). Specifically, the Jays “checked with” Anaheim in Morosi’s words, which could imply due diligence more than serious talks about Simmons, though the situation is certainly worth monitoring with just over two days left before the trade deadline.
Simmons is only recently back from a left ankle sprain that cost him over three weeks of the season, so the Blue Jays could very well want to see as much as they can of Simmons in action before deciding on a trade. The veteran shortstop does have at least one hit in four of his five games since returning from the injured list, but his overall slash line for 2020 is only .257/.297/.286 in 37 plate appearances.
While obviously Toronto would like to get any extra hitting it could, Simmons’ biggest asset is his glove, as the four-time Gold Glove winner is widely considered one of the best defensive players in baseball history. Adding that type of glovework at shortstop would go a long towards helping a position that has been a minus for the Jays since Bo Bichette hit the IL. It isn’t yet clear when Bichette might return from his knee sprain, though he did begin baseball activities yesterday.
If the Jays did swing a deal with the Angels, their ideal situation would be Simmons at shortstop and Bichette back and healthy in a regular second base role, as Bichette played second base in the minors. That shuffle would likely result in Cavan Biggio playing third base, as Biggio has played the hot corner in the minors and Travis Shaw has struggled at the plate this season.
Yesterday’s trade of Tommy La Stella to the Athletics would hint that the Angels are open for business as deadline sellers, as the Halos are in line for their fifth straight losing season. Like La Stella, Simmons is also a free agent after the season, as the shortstop is winding up the seven-year, $58MM extension he signed with the Braves way back in February 2014. Of his prorated $15MM salary for 2020, there is roughly $2.8MM still owed to Simmons over the last month of the regular season, so the Jays would be picking up a pretty significant bit of salary in this pandemic-impacted year unless some money is sent back to the Angels as an offset.
JaysFan_
DFA Shaw and bring him in, Good defensive upgrade and maybe he might be able to hit better than Shaw.
wild bill tetley
Way too many Jays fans were happy with the Shaw singing and anyone mentioning how well-paid he is was vilified.
smuzqwpdmx
The Shaw signing was good because his salary is an absolute steal if he were able to play anywhere close to his pre-’19 level and no bother if he flops. It hasn’t worked out and it’s time to upgrade, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a smart signing. He’s costing them less than $1.5M, if you think he’s well-paid you don’t know MLB free agency norms.
wild bill tetley
Travis Shaw at anything above 1-mil plus incentives was not a steal. Not after 2019. You cannot discount seasons for your benefit. He was worse than awful last year.
The signing is only considered a steal because Shaw picks up his cheque in a ski mask and gun.
gwa500
The people who complain about the Blue Jays taking a flier on a potential power bat for extremely cheap are the same ones that complain that Rogers is too cheap and never spend any money. It was a gamble that didn’t pay off, who cares.
wild bill tetley
It wasn’t cheap, and the gamble didn’t work because he’s not very good.
MarkoRock68
Maybe we can bury the Orioles this weekend , pry Hanser Aberto out of them and shoot Shaw into the stratosphere. ( Alberto has 2 more yrs of control and can play 2b,3b and SS in a pinch but we have Espinal to cover Bo there )
Give us the flexibility in the offseason to move Vlad back to third, Biggio to OF and Hernandez to 1B/DH with Rowdy.
If Martin is ready by late next yr we can look at moving one of Hernandez /Tellez at deadline for pitching and move Vlad back to 1st if need be.
wild bill tetley
Alberto would be the Drury with way more playing time and production. He never walks but damn the guy squares up the baseball. Shreds lefty pitching. Who wouldn’t take .330 hitting?
I wonder what it would take given the control. Also wonder if the downside is worth it. 3B is not a hot commodity in free agency so I get the idea here. Because if the other options are Seager and Longoria via trade I’d rather explore the idea of Hanser.
Ashtem
Vlad is not going back to third.
imindless
I’d be interested to see what the blue jays would offer the angels. That would make blue jays positionally much deeper
imindless
Think angels would have to outweigh several things. Do you plan to keep him for an average of 15 million per year for an aging glove first ss? Although he is probably the greatest defender at the position of all time. If not do you prefer the qualifying offer (2nd round pick) or trade for a piece or two from someone else farm? I think if blue jays would offer a Groshans (blocked but Bo + martin positionally) or manoah I would take it. Blue jays then could sign simmons to a bridge deal until martin makes his debut in a couple years. You could then move martin to 3rd and biggio back to the outfield.
bkbk
No chance Eppler doesn’t require an arm or two back, especially after the La Stella trade.
imindless
That’s why I said an arm like manoah…reading helps
trout27
You don’t know Eppler very well. The Jays have the leverage here. Simmons is a one month rental which shouldn’t require more than a high A or AA pitcher in return.
chaotic98
Why would the Jays offer any of their top 10 Prospects for an aging overpriced FA. The Angels are not risking paying him 18 million for a 2nd rounder.
Vizionaire
ozzie smith played above average defense till 39. simmons is much better defensively.
wild bill tetley
How many lower body injuries did Ozzie have up to age 39?
MarkoRock68
There is 0 chance that the Jays would trade Groshans or Manoah .
That isn’t even realistic. Groshans is a Top 50 Prospect in Baseball in a few of the top rating sites.. Monoah is our 2nd best pitching prospect.
An aging Defensive specialist with 1 month remaining on a large contract ,coming back from injury,
Very very unlikely Angels would offer a QO either, is he really worth 18 million?
Its nuts how unrealistic people.
With that size of a contract , a rental, coming back form an injury Angels would be lucky to get a Teams 25-35 prospect.
angelsinthetroutfield
Yep, I wonder if they packaged Simba with Castro (Jays are said to want C help) if they could get closer to the 15-20 range.
bkbkbkbk
Lol. He literally is a top 3 WAR at his position. You wrong boi.
MarkoRock68
Both Castro and Simba together might get one of the 4 young SS prospects we have in the 15-20 range.
Or maybe a pitcher like Zeuch + a 30-40 Prospect.
Vizionaire
lmao!
Le Grande Orangerie
These are the guys that traded nothing for Teoscar Hernandez and Reese McGuire, nothing for Randal Grichuk, nothing for Thomas Hatch, nothing for Julian Merryweather, nothing for Trent Thornton and nothing for Derek Fisher. They are not going to give up a highly-rated prospect for one month of Simmons. Just paying his salary is a big favour to the Angels.
bkbk
You spelled favor wrong brü
Vizionaire
wow, eddie, you must be a genius in your sleep!
filthyrich
Colour me embarrassed your honour, I’ve been spelling favour wrong all my life eh!
MarkoRock68
Favour is the proper Canadian or British spelling bru .
agentx
*brü — per bkbk
JaysFan_
Wouldn’t be surprised if it turns about to be a PTBNL
imindless
I don’t think it will because angels could just do qualifying offer and get a 2nd rounder essentially if they let him walk. I think for blue jays their time is now why not go grab the best defensive ss in the game?
Diggydugler
Their time is definitely not now. Next year is the start of “contending” phase, this year they are happy to get 7th or 8th seed in the joke season expanded playoffs but the rental purchases should definitely stop. Especially when you consider their #1 position player is injured, #2 starter is injured and their #1 and #2 closers are injured. Also their best and star player is a SS so even if he wasnt a rental doesnt make that much sense.
Overall, unless he is super cheap, it doesnt make sense. This goes for all rentals including Walker. We will have to see how much of an overpay the Jays paid for 6 starts of Walker when they arent even in contention yet.
kmac 2
Just a stop gap until Bichette returns..I hope they wouldn’t give up much for him..I’d hang up the second Groshans name came up…Maybe a 25-30 range prospect at most…Isn’t he a free Agent at the end of this year??
JaysFan_
Unless Bichette is done for the year I don’t see the purpose of bringing him unless they play him at 3rd
imindless
Stop gap? Did you not read the article? You would rather have travis playing every day over adding simmons? Really? Bo isn’t even that great defensively and could shine at second where he could focus on staying healthy.
longsuffering
Both of his injuries so far have some from hitting (allegedly)
kmac 2
I much rather have Shaw at third than trading Groshens for a month of Simmons..Bichette needs to stay short..Jays are still building it would be crazy to deal your 2nd best prospect for a 30 year old shortstop..
MarkoRock68
25-35 is bang on . Unreal how unrealistic some are.
I saw on another post someone saying
Biggio+ Pearson+ SWR for 2 yrs of Clevinger.
Le Grande Orangerie
What does it matter when the player is named? Anyone not on the 60 man will have to be named later. It would be astonishing if they trade off the 60 man, You should delete your post it makes you look like you don’t understand basic rules.
bkbk
Dude, youre the one who called Simmonds a salary dump for the Angels. Its not credible.
You’re not credible.
Vizionaire
so unintelligent!
rhymo
A pending free agent who’s been hurt most of the year; I can’t see Angels getting much of a return. The same as the Walker return for the Mariners?
imindless
No because they could just issue qo and get a 2nd for him by simply letting him walk.
Briffle2
You forget to mention someone would have to sign him after the Angel’s issue the QO for the Angels to get a pick, I can’t see a team doing that.
imindless
Someone will sign him. There aren’t many ss that can even play remotely close to him defensively.
Briffle2
No one is going to pay 15-18 million next season for a no-hit shortstop with injury issues. If the Angel’s offer it, no one’s signing him.
imindless
Either way angels have the leverage. They have no one to replace him in the farm close and if they only have to commit 1 year at that price angels would do it and help him rebuild some value to flip him next year. He also is just around an average hitter where you gain huge is the glove just look at his war the past few years. He has value especially for a team trying to make a deep run.
Briffle2
A glove only shortstop with very limited trade value at a high salary gives a team like the Angel’s, with few playoff aspirations, very low value. He’s been a very slightly above average hitter only twice in his career.
imindless
36 war over several years says otherwise. Agree to disagree.
hossmandu
They don’t need to replace him from the farm. Fletch can play SS, Rengifo 2B, Rendon 3B, and Ohtani/Pujols 1B. That’s a fine infield.
Reality is that Simba has been great, but has spent 96 days on the IL the last 3 seasons, and the repetitive ankle injuries are worrisome.
I’d be shocked if the Angels issued a QO at $18mil. If they did I think Simba would jump at it, take the $3mil raise and hope to have an injury free season to become a FA after 21 season. I don’t see any team that is in such bad shape at short that they’d be offering him more than $30/2.
MarkoRock68
A defense first short stop is not worth 18+ million per especially with the uncertainty of the baseball economics. QO him and the angels will have him themselves.
Briffle2
You’re the only one in this thread who feels this way, so we’ll see when it comes time to sign players.
MarkoRock68
Baseball isn’t about what have you done in the past it’s what have you done lately. Last Yr 1.9 War, This year -0.1 War, that’s right negative war.
By your thinking we should bring back Jose Bautisa who’s worth career 35.6 War and trade him for Marsh and Adell lol.
Le Grande Orangerie
Exactly. No one is going to pay him the QO amount, let alone give up a pick as well.
bkbk
Stop talking to this dude, he’s not credible. His ideas are bad. Hes literally saying a top 3 WAR SS wont find a job next year.
Just let him yell at a bird or something.
M.C.Homer
I don’t understand the “glove only” comments.
He’s no Lindor but he is far from the offensive black hole he is being portrayed as. This perception goes back to his days in Atlanta?
He’s been ok to pretty good at times with the bat for the Angels other than when injured, and he is now. No way he gets traded. He limped past 2nd and barely made it 1st to 3rd last night on a play he would have scored on when healthy.
Vizionaire
jays are not getting him. that’s for sure!
filthyrich
Aaron Sanchez was traded last year based on what he had done in the past. He was 2.5 years removed from being ‘valuable’.
The potential to be elite still gets some GMs excited.
filthyrich
Simmons is a very tough guy to strike out.
If he can provide any tips to some of the Jays youth, there is some sneaky intangible value in that.
In his rare healthy stretches, he was a 3.7 & 3.8 in just oWar.
This isn’t Freddy Galvis.
Andrelton Simmons will get a chance as long as he can walk.
More like Tulowitzki in a sense.
MarkoRock68
No Sanchez was not traded for what he did 2-3 yrs prior.
Otherwise Sanchez+ Biagini+Stevenson would have gotten a heck of alot more then Fischer.
MarkoRock68
You hit the key “rare” stretches – very high risk – 1 month rental – substantial salary remaining .
filthyrich
Ok, Drew Pomeranz then.
Had literally done nothing lately. Fetched value.
Fisher was a decent rated prospect. Still hasn’t had a real chance, still may blossom, may flop. Hard to be so definitive already.
Teams wanted Sanchez, and many Jays fans were pissed that he was traded and pissed that he didn’t fetch more. The others in the package are definition of throw ins. Filler.
A little bit of the Sanchez past went into it for the Astros.
They weren’t giving Fisher up for that great start of 2019 that Sanchez was having,
wild bill tetley
I hear you on Sanchez, and I got to watch Stevenson last year and wonder why he wasn’t promoted.
The trade itself was not necessary in my opinion because I knew Fisher was meh. Cutting salary was a big who cares to me, and given what happened to Sanchez it could have been a non-tender situation. Biagini could have been used also.
All the Fisher trade did was add to the OF headache.
filthyrich
True.
They clearly still hunt for another impact lefty bat.
Fisher, Shaw, Vogelbach, there is a pattern.
If they throw this stuff harder, it might stick.
wild bill tetley
Given the current dynamics of the team there is no need for another 1B and, as it stands, there really isn’t a RH bat off the bench aside from Espinal. With Biggio, Shaw and Tellez along with a sometimes McGuire and Panik I’d say the hunt “should” be for any impact bat regardless of which side of the plate they swing.
Hearing Bichette is working out and taking ground balls. If he is back around Sept 10 that’s another big addition and lengthens the lineup. Plus hearing Pearson and Giles could return sometime soon. If Pearson is placed in the bullpen perhaps the focus should be on a SP.
filthyrich
The should vs the reality.
Current today dynamics of the team suggest any impact bat would be gladly accepted.
But not straying too far from the ‘masterplan’ that may be in place suggests that there is an ideology in mind for building up this attempted ‘dynasty’.
A large chunk of the logic defying moves that we have seen in the past couple years involves the addition of left handed bats.
Not just the Jays. Martin fell into the Jays lap at the draft in part because the Orioles reached a bit on the top lefty bat.
Possible coincidence but there is a history of lefthanders being valued unreasonably high throughout the league.
And if you look at a summary of Shapiro’s swing and misses from his Cleveland days, you’ll realize that Atkins and Montoyo have no choice most of the time, but to appease their boss.
Shapiro seems to go for switch hitting bats, lefty hitting bats, and arms. Tougher to find true impact lefty bats would be my guess why he leans to lefty over righty in general.
I’d guess for Shapiro’s offense, there’s gonna be questions if the lefties aren’t on the roster, and if the lefties aren’t getting playing time.
Again, only just guessing based on patterns that I notice.
I’m not judging it one way or another, since I have a Ned Flanders sized bias on this matter.
It is impossible to ignore from this southpaw perspective though.
The should vs the reality.
To make it easier, Shapiro Cleveland trade hit/miss quick summary:
Hafner, Sizemore, Asdrubal, Choo, Dellucci, Santana.
Laporta as a righty was the key piece but the PTBNL in that trade ended up being Brantley. Was he in a panic after this move that the roster was too righthanded and insisted on Brantley?? hah.
Most of his other noteworthy moves involved arms.
Strong faith in this process. The slow burn. Tough to be patient. But baseball rewards the patient.
Biggio, Bichette, Vlad, Martin seem to be core 4.
A top 6 gauntlet would have one more lefty for some semblance of balance.
Again, should vs reality, not into debating what you would do unless you’re named a GM someday.
Hyped on Bichette return most of all.
Giles first, Pearson second, and Romano wild card? (all wild cards really… but we’ll take a wild card 1000%)
Arm reinforcements?!!
Plus something(s) new and shiny by this time tomorrow perhaps.
Trade deadline eve is better than Christmas eve.
Please don’t nitpick petty details above.
The general gist is that many baseball people, that have manager/GM/president roles, are biased toward finding impact lefties. Shapiro especially, says the transaction pattern.
wild bill tetley
Filthy, not nitpicking here. Considering the Brian Goodwin rumor I’d say you’re correct about the LH bat since he hits from the left side.
I’d even be happy with Mike Minor at this point. He wouldn’t cost the Jays much at all. Having the minor league weapons while loading up at the top level makes for a stable organization. The next few hours should be interest.
tuccgoblue
He would take the QO in a second. Angels aren’t paying 18mm+ on a 1 yr deal.
thebaseballfanatic
Interesting. Maybe Kay/Hatch and someone like Otto Lopez would get it done.
MarkoRock68
Even that would be an overpay for 1 month .
thebaseballfanatic
Yes, but aren’t all deadline deals overpays?
MarkoRock68
Not to that extent . The guy has 1.9 War last yr , -.1 This yr . You don’t trade based on what a guy did 2-3 yrs ago.
M.C.Homer
The dude has played in what, 6 games this year?
That WAR number is meaningless. He will not amass a whole lot of value this year though.
He should still be on the IL and not attempting to showcase him. That sure backfired last night. He will not regain that ankle stability until he rests over the winter and i bet it’s never the same again. It’s been gnarly to watch his ankle fully roll 3 times now but this time i could hardly look at the replay. I can’t believe his foot is still attached.
wild bill tetley
MC you answered your own question. He has played 6 games and has shown an injury pattern a-la Josh Donaldson when he was traded to Cleveland. I’ll take prime JD over prime Simmons, do not care what the WAR says. What the Jays got for JD is what the Angels should expect for Simmons.
Le Grande Orangerie
Are you kidding? No way anyone on the 60 man goes in a trade for one month of Simmons.. Ludicrous.
Hosmer for HOF
“One of the best defensive players in baseball history”?
RunDMC
Few resolute things in life: death, taxes, Simba is THE best defensive player in the history of North American organized, competitive sports.
Briffle2
If Simmons was a player 20 years ago before WAR became a big mainstream measurement, would people still consider him an all-time great defender?
FishyHalo
Briffle- the eyes test alone. Size, flexibility and arm strength alone would imply he might be….
Orel Saxhiser
I guess it’s because he is ranked 14th all-time in defensive WAR. It should be noted that 10 of the 13 ahead of them are shortstops. The other three are Brooks Robinson, Pudge Rodriguez, and Adrian Beltre. For this reason, I think defensive WAR is bogus. Shortstop is an important position but gimme a break. But with two or three more good years, Simmons will burst into the top five. Some people go ga-ga over that.
Briffle2
He’s a great defender, no doubt, top ten all time for his position, but I just find it hard to believe his defense is so good for him to have such a high WAR with his lack of offense.
JaysForDays
There’s no chance the jays offer anyone of significant prospect value for Simmons. Certainly not Groshans, and def not a young high ranking pitcher. Put down the crack. Simmons will fetch cash considerations and/or a PTBNL
Diggydugler
Also keep in mind a PTBNL this season doesnt mean a bad player its just a player not on the 60 man. Many of the top prospects arent on the 60 man. Atkins needs to stop trading for rentals.
rhymo
Agreed. Played 1/6th of the season and is a free agent they aren’t getting a good prospect unless packaged with Bundy.
Vizionaire
lyao! are all jays fans as dub as you are?
filthyrich
Some jays fans do not listen to dubstep. Or dub? Not sure what they call it, I’m not quite hip enough.
Did you just learn to type? Or spell? If both, keep trying, you’ll get there.
Ted
Now just bring the O-Dog out of retirement (he’d actually only 42) and the Jays might have the best double-play combo of all time.
Briffle2
O-Dog! I haven’t heard that name in awhile. Man, the early 2000’s was where it was at for me for baseball.
Ted
The O-Dog was actually a 30 WAR player. He was sneaky good.
filthyrich
Oh snap.
So sneaky that O-Dog.
The 05 Jays had guys like Josh Towers, Gus Chacin and Miguel Batista looking decent.
Towers and Chacin fell apart in 06.
Batista went with O-Dog to the D-Backs and still looked decent.
Brandon Webb goes from strong pitcher to Cy Young winner in 06.
Coincidence? Probably a little bit.
I still swear it’s that O-Dog prime age defensive wizardry.
filthyrich
Johhny Mac on Sundays!
taco guy
Hatch+Merryweather, but knowing Eppler they’ll take an extra position player without options
MarkoRock68
Not a chance,
1 – 1 month of a glove first guy a dWar 0f negative that’s right negative -.1 . This year
2- Coming back from injury
3-Still owed 2Mil+
.
Best case a prospect 25-35 not on current roster.
Le Grande Orangerie
People are way off who think a month of Simmons and his 62 OPS+ will get anything back on the 60 man, let alone 2 players off the 28 man.
wild bill tetley
Return for Simmons will be less than the return for Josh Donaldson. Do not expect Hatch or Merryweather. Kyle Johnston is more appropriate.
saintguitar
If the Angels were going to trade away La Stella and possibly Simmons now, why the heck did they sign Rendon for that amount of money? As an Angels fan it is seriously disheartening and puzzling to see them failing to make the moves that they need to win, which is adding top end of the rotation pitching. I mean, EVERYONE in the planet knew that the Angels needed the pitching, not just those 1-year wishful signings but legit ace-like pitchers.
Adding Bundy (although he has been playing well) and Tehran were NOT going to win the World Series and everyone knows that!!
It is just so frustrating to see the Angels just wasting Trout’s good years like this with no real plans.
hossmandu
Saint, it’s because Simmons and La Stella are FAs at the end of this year.
They signed Rendon for 7 years, his signing was about locking up a premier 3B, so they’re not really related.
As for the pitching, I’ve done this before, but I’ll ask Saint GM, what could the Angels have done differently?
Top of the rotation FAs the past two years:
Cole – Angels tried but nobody was going to outbid the Yankees
Stras – Was going nowhere
Wheeler – Angels tried but wife wanted to be close to family
Madbum – Angels tried but he was going to AZ the whole time to be with his horses
Ryu – Angels tried, but most agree that the 4th year was an overpay
Keuchel = Angels tried but he chose Chicago
Corbin and Eovaldi – the Angels tried on both.
So what would you have done different GM Saint?
saintguitar
Rendon, given his age, will give his best years either now or in the next couple of years. His production will most likely go down as he gets older.
What I am trying to say is, if the Angels was going to spend that much money on a position player that would give his best production in 1-3 years, why didn’t they go all-in?
Cole: of course you could outbid the Yankees. You just need to make a higher bid than the Yankees.
Stras: agreed.
Wheeler: wife? Really? I mean yes, of course her opinion is very important but I don’t think “wife wants to be closer to the family” is the main reason for a player to decide on the FA contract, at least usually.
Madbum: agreed. He loves his horses.
Ryu, Keuchel, Corbin, Eovaldi: “tried but chose another team”. Do you see the trend there?
Do you think there was no competition on getting Rendon? How did the Angels get him? By outbidding the other teams!
What I am saying is, if they really wanted to they could have gotten those pitchers.
cookmeister 2
The wheeler situation with his wife is absolutely accurate. If I remember correctly, the white Sox offered him a better deal, and he has stated multiple times himself that being close to his wife’s family was a factor
hossmandu
There it is again, “why didn’t they go all in”.
You were there right? You know what they were offering all of these pitchers, correct? You act like FA pitchers are bound by some code to do what you want, which is ridiculous.
The funniest part of your post is “What I am saying is, if they really wanted to they could have gotten those pitchers”
You could not be more wrong.
You live in a fantasy world.
hossmandu
And it’s funny that you don’t understand why Simmons and La Stella are on the block. Says a lot.
saintguitar
Well, there is no point in arguing but I very well understand why La Stella and Simmons are on the block. I think you are missing my point.
Are you really saying none of those pitchers wanted to play for the Angels?
Most likely they chose the teams that had the best offer and the Angels did not give it to them.
My point was, again, if they were going to spend all that money on landing Rendon, they could have thought about upping their offers for the more quality arms.
I have been and will always be an Angels fan but that does not mean you have to defend every single choice they make.
Angels & NL West
I love Simmons. Best defensive SS I’ve ever seen. And he had a couple of solid offensive seasons while an Angel. But he’s blown out his ankle 3 times in the past 12 months. Hard to believe that will not be an ongoing problem for a SS that relies on lateral movement.
Vizionaire
eppler, don’t you ever trade simmons! and never ever to a canadian team! not even the aaa team in buffalo!
MarkoRock68
If they Jays are AAA Team that would make the Angels ,,,, Low A … Rookie league? .,,, Dominican Summer League .
wild bill tetley
Yes listen to the illiterate guy Viz, who can’t figure out capital letters or type properly.
Le Grande Orangerie
Can anyone tell me what this even means?
“so the Jays would be picking up a pretty significant bit of salary in this pandemic-impacted year unless some money is sent back to the Angels as an offset.”
Literally makes no sense.
MarkoRock68
Noticed that as well- author meant to say back to the jays . ( i think )
mpmks
I would expect little if any return. Doubt the Angels would extend a qualifying offer to him in the offseason for fear he would accept. I could see him signing with Angels again at a reduced contract amount. So best case trade him for whatever you can get, attempt to resign in offseason if any interest at economic amount. I don’t see that he currently has much trade value if any
wild bill tetley
Offset salary means it’s Simmons for Chase Anderson straight up.
Kidding.
Eric Pardhino is currently out with TJ. Deal him for Simmons, he’d fit right in with the Angels.
If the Jays get Simmons my guess is Bo goes to 2B and Biggio moves to 3B. Shaw can sit on the bench and do sit ups.
M.C.Homer
Where’s Halo11fan?
I was a very young fledgling Angel fan when Fregosi got shipped out for Ryan, never saw him much.
I’m guessing the longer tenured Fregosi was better offensively, and Simmons defensively.
Fregosi or Simmons? who is the starting ss on the all time Angels team?
Oldhalo
I hope that we don’t trade him. A talent like his doesn’t come around that often. Only a few years ago he was in discussion/contention for the MVP. With our pitching as bad as it is, trading Simmons or not resigning him only amplifies the pitching issue. People that watch him every day, and the Brave fans that use to watch him know exactly what I am talking about.
Evan Siggson
Simmons isn’t Alex Rodiguez but calling him “all-glove” is ignorant.
MarkoRock68
0.7 oWar last yr in 424ab wouldn’t bring much offensive value in a months worth of ab but then again if it gets Shaw out of our line up its positive,
filthyrich
yeah! he’s got a great arm, and his legs kinda work still
without context, citing one season of oWar means nothing,
respond about Pomeranz if you’re going to continue suggesting teams only pay up for ‘what have you done for me lately’.
or i can dig up more examples. i literally went about 12 transactions down last year’s trade deadline list before i found one. well two but Sanchez was blurry enough and i knew it would be easy to find more.
Simmons has shown capable of being a productive bat.
if he can truly return to health, 2019 stats are anomalous.
if he is truly falling apart, 2019 stats may be telling.