The Blue Jays have acquired infielder Jonathan Villar from the Marlins, tweets Jon Heyman of MLB Network and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Villar was pulled from this afternoon’s game against the Mets at Citi Field. In return, the Marlins will receive right fielder Griffin Conine from Toronto, according to Craig Mish. Given that Conine is not part of the Jays’ 60-man player pool, he’s considered a player to be named later in this deal, according to Jordan McPherson of the Miami Herald. The move comes on the heels of the Marlins acquiring Starling Marte from the Diamondbacks as the Miami club attempts to return to the playoffs for the first time since their 2003 championship.
Blue Jays shortstop Bo Bichette was placed on the IL on August 16th with a knee sprain, which is expected to keep him out until at least mid-September. Rosenthal had previously reported the Jays’ interest in the versatile Villar, and Toronto was also said to have checked in on the Angels’ Andrelton Simmons. The Blue Jays have already stocked up with trades for Robbie Ray, Taijuan Walker, and Dan Vogelbach. Should Bichette return within a few weeks, Villar can help out around the diamond.
Villar, 29, had an excellent 2019 season for the Orioles. But with the infielder headed for an $8.2MM salary through arbitration (of which about $1.2MM is still owed this season), the O’s saw fit to ship him to Miami in a December trade. Due to the shortened season, Villar wound up playing just 29 games for the Marlins. According to Craig Mish, the Marlins “felt Villar is still an extremely talented player but played reckless at times, and never fully bought in to what they are trying to do.” According to Mish, Villar was expendable due to Isan Diaz’s return to the club. Diaz had opted out and is awaiting approval on returning, according to Rosenthal.
The speedy Villar has a few above-average offensive seasons on his record, most recently with a 107 wRC+ last year. He’s generally not been lauded for his infield defense, however. He’ll be eligible for free agency after the season, with the Jays serving as his fifth organization.
Griffin Conine, the son of Mr. Marlin Jeff Conine, chose not to sign after the Marlins drafted him in the 31st round out of high school. He then went to Duke and was drafted by the Jays in the second round, most recently playing A ball in the Midwest League. Part of the Jays’ run on sons of popular Major Leaguers, Conine was ranked as the club’s #15 prospect prior to the 2019 season by Baseball America. BA praised his plus power and arm, though Conine did serve a 50-game suspension for testing positive for ritalinic acid.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Jays making a real push!
Tons of on and off field action this year ! Mid pack teams stuck behind juggernauts can finally go for it ! Baseball needed to change their playoff settings decades ago. If there’s anything good that came outa covid….
I wonder who they will give up for a utility guy… someone like Riley Adams?
or someone like Griffin Conine LMAO
Great add for jays based on previous trades doubt they gave up much, will be nice to see Villar in the lineup instead of Panik &/or Shaw.
This could be a three-team deal… maybe. With the Jays getting Villar, the Marlins getting Martr and the DBacks getting ?
Really like this move as a Jays fan.
Maybe Bo slides to 3B when he comes back. They currently have the worst production in the MLB from their 3Bs
I think we might see Bo go to 2nd (if he moves from short at all) and Cavan go to 3rd.
Villar would just move to third. I’m not sure if Biggio can play third but if they’re more comfortable with Biggio at third and Villar at second then that can happen too. Villar’s best season was him playing second base
Villar wont move to 3B. You’re better off putting Vlad JR there.
Villar is an awful third baseman, to the point that it’s not really an option.
Biggio can play anywhere. He has to be the guy. Otherwise Vlad goes to 3B, Villar to 2B, Biggio RF and Teoscar DH. I’d rather take my chances with Cavan taking on the hot corner.
You’re about as well as off as you are giving Dan Vogelbach a glove and telling him to go play the hot corner. That is how bad Villar is at that position.
The only thing that should be in Vogelbach’s hand is a pink slip.
Couldn’t argue with that.
Bo needs to be a SS over Villar if Bo is healthy. Villar is not a good SS. Biggio would have to slide to 3B when Bo returns. Panik DFA.
There is a good chance Bo might miss the rest of the season. Even then Biggio or Villar will play 3rd. No way they would move Bo for a month and a half.
Blue Jays report Bo might return within two weeks. That does not mean a thing. However, Villar is not a very good SS and is just adequate at 2B. As I said, and maybe you missed it, Biggio slides to 3B. He can play anywhere.
Hell yeah, great move. Jays killing it today, not overpaying for anyone, getting good players with track records of success without commitment.
Hope they didn’t give up too much but good move otherwise
Is he a FA next year or have any control? Always liked the player I watched playing against the Jays. Was a terror on the base paths.
Free agent after this year
Busy deadline for the Jays.
Maybe the Blue Jays will finally pronounce his name right. Its Millar or Pillar with a V. Or just have VR on his jersey
Take out your sharpie and change that P to a V on Pillar’s Jersey. Maybe the Jays can do you a solid and give him his old number!
As Jonathan comes from the Dominican Republic, a Spanish speaking country, the correct pronunciation is VR with a slight ‘y’ sound in between. Canadians are polite enough to try and pronounce people’s names as they are used to hearing them and not just blindly Americanize everything
Us Canadians do not need a guy from a country that is a shadow of itself pontificating bull over how we pronounce names. If you’re upset that America is a superior country over the UK you can take your thoughtless opinion to reddit.
You missed a word UKPhil:
*Most* Canadians are polite enough….
Seems bill missed the nap today!
Without nap, still very accurate statement.
I’m gonna try rolling the R when I say it, that’s how polite I’m feeling.
And I believe the J is pronounced as an H, so I am glad to welcome Mr. Honathan VRrrrrr to the Buffalo Souljas
Napping is what your favorite manager does between the 5th and 9th innings.
Does Villarreal have any controllable years after this one?
Villar. Stupid autocorrect
No.
He’s a free agent I believe
I think the Jays picked him up to be a utility type and mostly a back up CF.
Villar “played reckless at times and didn’t buy into what Miami was doing”
This comes as no surprise to any fan of any team that Jonathan Villar has ever played on. You can go look back at all the “Orioles are cheap” comments when they dumped this guy in December. Absolutely ridiculous then. Even more ridiculous once you saw how much better the team has been with a real SS.
As a Marlins fan, I can tell you that Villar is talented, but makes the mistakes of a losing player. He’s mainly stats in mostly irrelevant situations and mistakes in key moments. After some blunders over the last couple of weeks in which teammates got on him about, it was clear he was going to be traded. Didn’t know for what, but it was clear. Getting Griffin Conine, the regarded prospect son of “Mr. Marlin”, is a bonus for us.
Villar’s a complete idiot (a very rich complete idiot of course). He’ll pick the seventh game of the World Series to forget how many outs there are, and throw a fly ball into the stands.
OTOH, he’s reasonably attractive as a DH…but not that not much.
Bonehead plays 101 with professor Jonathan Villar…..
Hope it works out for Toronto. Won’t be surprised when he gets caught in a run down in an important moment because he rounded 1st base too hard though…..
But maybe he focuses for a couple months in Toronto. I did initially like him when the O’s got him from Milwaukee. It took a little bit of time to realize why Milwaukee fans hated him.
Villar will fit right in with the Montoyo-led squad.
Apparently Griffin Connie is going to Miami… seems like a bit of an overpay with the dearth of good outfield prospects in the Jays’ system.
I hope Miami ate the entire deal if the Jays gave up an actual prospect like that.
Marlins won this deal big time.
Not happy with this trade at all . Big time over pay. Conine is our #16 prospect, our highest ranked OF prospect for a So/So FA utility guy.
I hear you. I would have rather seen Conine packaged for a bigger acquisition. Jays decided to nickel and dime. So long as the PTBNL guys aren’t substantial I can stomach the deadline. I would have rather had Simmons over Villar. Or Iglesius.
Yes. I hope the PTBNL in the Dodgers deal aren’t any more then a couple lottery guys. A package of Conine + Lopez or maybe a Murphy type would have probably gotten us Iglesius, Who has that extra year.
Biggest trade for us would have gained 5-6 War for Sept.
Sending good ole chucky packing.
It has to be wearing on the starters even the players. I count that 6
games now he’s cost us and if not
for some late inning heroics could have been 3-4 more.
Friedman is talking it up. Could go either way. Letting it sink in, this deadline is what I didn’t want to see a week ago. I wanted Conine packaged with others for a knockout shot, not Villar.
Montoyo will be a finalist for manager of the year. He has been atrocious. Time for Jays fans to take notice.
Is Conine even eligible to be traded?
Yes. Now have to wonder what the Angels asked for since the Jays bowed out on Simmons this morning.
Griffin Conine! Love it.
Granted Conine isn’t a lock to be a big league OF’er. He very well may be another Billy McKinney but to give that up for Villar for a couple months is a comedic overpay. I hope the marlins paid the whole salary.
Highly doubt that. And even if we did we are picking up like 30 games worth which is nothing.
Well that’s a couple million bucks in a season w/o fans. It’s real money for sure.
I think it’s a gigantic win for Miami either way.
I really liked conine, unless martin is an OFer jays have none in the top 30
Dasan Brown is an OF and in the Top 30. Will Robertson in the Top 30 on some lists.
Conine sounds like a steep price to pay for one month (hopefully two) of Villar. Conine strikes out way too much, but his power is legit.
Son of Mr. Marlin is now a Marlin. Today’s been great.
Hate to see Conine go.
Connie has the best power bat in the Jays minor league system and a cannon for an arm. Quintessential RF. Very surprised they gave him up for a rental.
Why couldn’t we have just traded Font DFA him already, jeez Connie is a total overpay
Should have traded Font and his daddy Charlie to the Fish. How many times will it take before it sinks in to Montoyo’s head “do not use Font in high leverage”
Especially with Borucki available. Made no sense. Can’t believe Jays fans are still taking up for the guy. He’s not a good manager.
The SPs must be getting so sick of Charlie’s bullpen blunders . And it’s not just his bullpen moves its his late inning tactical errors.
I can see us being in the 3rd game of the 1st round . Up 3-2 and end up losing it because of our brilliant tactician . The team deserves better then a AAA manager.
Not to mention that Tellez has been swinging the bat well and he’s rewarded with a benching. Stupid. Let him play until he proves he deserves to be benched.
And with all the guys who came in today there’s no reason for Font to have stood up from the bullpen bench. No reason.
Shame they don’t have stats for managers and coaches, Chuckes would be -6 War now by my count,
Generally the stat for managers and coaches is called wins, and the Jays staff is somehow sitting at a +3 by my count.
Impossible to defend many choices by Montoyo and the coaching staff all around. Even puppets need to be replaced if they’re costing a team 6 out of 33 games.
But ignoring the games where Font wasn’t used or when a hit and run, bunt or steal actually worked is pretty unfair.
Today, the team didn’t hit.
This magnified the bullpen management and other mistakes but if the Jays could hit like the Dodgers, then Montoyo would look like Dave Roberts.
A key bunt did not get laid down was costly.
I like the aggressive baserunning, but not the amount of bunting. Let these guys get their hacks and find a groove.
I can recall a couple sacrifices during victories though, so that’s a coin flip move depending on team philosophy really.
Jays are sacrificing lots, and playing over their heads. Does that correlate?
Rays don’t sacrifice and winning a ton. Does that correlate?
Look at some of the lineups used by the Rays in their losses. If Cash was held to a standard of perfection, you could throw him some of your imaginary negative management War too.
Orioles get a little bit lucky that their #3 catcher delivers a solid dagger hit, and that their SS has those Jeter instincts at short. But they played better today. Can’t steal them all.
Don’t want a certain player used in a certain situation, then don’t have that player on the roster. The blame for Font goes higher than Montoyo and Walker in my books.
But yeah, let’s hire a real manager.
What’s Beltran doing? Hinch?
Maddon just may be available again next year, he used to have a strong rep.
Why not see what Scioscia is up to?
Gardenhire and Baker ended up returning. Let’s dig deep.
Valentine?
If there’s a team that’s fanbase is thrilled with their manager’s decisions, it is a very rare instance.
The short leash with the starters is absolutely maddening, despite anything I say above that diminishes the value of a manager.
Somehow they are 3 games over .500 though, so what can I really criticize?
Feared finish August about 5-11 after losing Bichette Aug 15.
11-5 pretty sweet.
The O’s could’ve been the ones making these little adds had the Jays crumbled without their top bat.
If all these errors are the fault of the manager, then there is a small slice of credit for the wins that is deserved.
No matter how maddening some of these errors may be?!
Point is Filthy they are winning despite their manager and would have a much better record with a MLB Caliber manager. Their late inning heroics have covered up for his blunders.
1- First series- your closer is walking around the mound holding his arm between pitches. The guy has arm issues last year but you leave him in to blow the lead and get injured. ( Well um duh he said he was fine )
2- Having a pitcher who’s never pitched in MLB coming over from Japan and struggling with his grip in summer camp, And his first ever 2 MLB appearance are super high leverage extra innings with a man on 2nd no outs?
3-Pinch hitting for you catcher bottom of the 9th -2 out none on. knowing or should have known that if he didn’t hit the ball over the fence then you’d be starting your speedy back up catcher at 2nd.
4-Leaving your starter in who is struggling 3rd time thru the order when you have a BP arm ready to go.
5-Repeatedly putting a reliever into high leverages situations who’s shown last year and this year he is suited only as a opener or mop up guy . Not 1 time, not 2 times but he’s cost us 4 leads.
This is only a few examples there are more.
Just about every game he makes a blunder or 2
His decision making has cost us min 6 games. Rather then saying oh but we are 3 games over 18-15 . We could easily be 24-9 and one of the top teams in MLB.
No manager is perfect but i am sick and tired of people making excuses for him. Oh give him time, he’s learning .
The guy had 18 yrs or thereabouts as a AAA manager and then a coach. the Rays never gave him a crack at managing and we are likely now finding out why.
The guy can’t think 2 steps ahead.
Great guy, great coach but he’s a AAA manager on a MLB team .
I’m sure amongst themselves the players must groan inwardly at times thinking WTF dude .
You seem like a nice person Filthy don’t be a Charlie apologist.
Not so much a Charlie apologist, as a WTF are we going to find elsewhere mentality.
Recall ever so clearly how much we hated on Farrell. He won the title when given better talent to manage.
Phillies hated Kapler.
He manages a team with less talent to a similar record now.
Phillies fans may want Kapler back?
My main point is that the manager has a very minor role overall.
The turning point in majority of games is usually a missed pitch, or an error made in the field or on the bases.
Better coaching can surely help with those errors, but I just wonder what the alternatives truly would be.
Yet to hear any suitable suggestions coming from the peanut gallery.
Why was one of the hottest hitters benched today? You wonder why they didn’t hit? Tellez should start 100% of the time.
Tight game and leading, you go Hatch, Cole, Bass, Borucki, Romano (when healthy), Dolis and Giles. Montoyo overmanages and underthinks. Teoscar getting picked didn’t help either, but why am I not surprised? Oh right, Blue Jays lack discipline. When will it stop? Will Montoyo address it or is he looking for a pen to ensure all players are on the lineup card?
Winning. No more excuses. Excuses won’t lead to victories. Montoyo should be held accountable for not knowing his own team, how to win, and managing like he’s the 1919 White Sox.
It’s like Donaldson said in 2015
“This isn’t the try league it’s the get it done league”
MLB is not a place to have on the job training for a manager.
He’s in over his head and is suited to be a coach only. Or an instructional type manager in the minors.
Bull pen usage, late game strategy etc is not his strong point and at the Major league level these are the areas a manager can most effect the outcome of a game either in a positive or negative fashion.
You guys still avoid mentioning a suitable replacement.
Do they exist? Sincere question.
What happens when Schneider or whoever comes next is not perfect?
The last 4 Yankees losses could easily be pinned on Boone.
Using Green in a 1 run game after a 10 day layoff?
Using Chapman in a 1 run game after a 10 day layoff>
Using Green again after the first blowup?
Many points are very valid, but for the broken record’th time, what’s the alternative?
In house, why not give Dante a shot, in the interviews i have seen he seems like a real smart baseball guy and a thinker.
Off season have a look around there are lot’s available. Heck i’d take Gibby back over bongo Charlie.
Some guys are fighting nagging injuries that we aren’t made aware of, so a lot of lineup decisions are taken with a grain of salt here.
Discipline errors are a league wide thing. Deny all you want. Do you not watch other teams or something?
Filthy
I have been watching the Jays since i was 9 yrs old , Right from the start and i can’t recall ever seeing a manager make this many blunders in a 33 Game stretch -EVER.
Sure there will always be mistakes but when you keep making the same ones over and over and over Al la Font then you issues .
Using Yamaguchi like he did in his first 2 major league games. That wasn’t a mistake that was minor league.
I hope it doesn’t happen but i can see this guy costing us a critical game in the play-offs and all these young talented ball players having their season end all due good ole charlie.
Off season for sure.
Charlie is likely only babysitting until that time under the ideal plan anyway.
I’d expect mistakes given Dante’s experience. Then what? Throw him under the bus as well?
In house, Schneider seems to have the best resume and least likely to create a mutiny among the entire coaching staff. Maybe mutiny regardless. Shaking up a winning team? I’d be fine with literally anyone. Leaguewide bar is low.
Change now has risk.
Why rock the boat on a winning team?
Sure they could be doing even better, but the Angels thought they brought in a ringer manager and ultimately doing worse.
My biggest issue is that it appears there is direction coming from within the organization about pitcher usage. I don’t see any scenario where Montoyo is so consistently avoiding the 3rd time through the lineup with his starters, unless he is given an organizational mandate to do so.
How anyone can think Montoyo makes many choices independently blows my mind. Likely has an earpiece directing him at all times is my hunch.
Well I’ve been watching the Jays since I was 6 years old. Means nothing right?
Play baseball, watch Jays, watch other teams, everything else, that is the order of what I like to do,.
Try watching some other teams too.
Gabe Kapler’s start with the Phillies was notoriously one of the worst. He still got hired elsewhere.
Mattingly managed his way out of LA to a cozy quad A Marlins life.
There’s not a magic manager tree out there.
The Cardinals used Kim in a save situation in his 1st game. Their manager need to be fired?
Watch other teams as closely as you watch the Jays and you’ll see a lot of the same.
Didn’t Schneider take a job somewhere else? if not he’d be a prime Candidate.
I agree on the SP usage it is being driven by the analytics Dept but then an experienced manager would have the stones to know when push back was needed on a day to day basis.
My main issue is his Bull Pen usage and his late inning tactics.
He had his chance and unfortunately you are probably right and won’t be replaced till after the season.
I apologize if i wrongly put you into the box with the ” oh he’s still learning crowd” that’s BS this is MLB not Single A
An experience manager wouldn’t have been hired is the catch.
Only person they wanted to hire was the person in the interview who was most willing to appease, that seems blatantly obvious to me.
Schneider is around. Major League Coach. The role so important we need 2.
Also, can’t ignore the Cito Gaston bullpen reputation. Gibbons was fantastic at bullpen usage, but had other flaws.
If you look hard enough for something, you’ll find it. MLB manager flaws being on the level of finding Waldo.
Next few games, at least try to make note of the timing of steal/hit-run/bunt attempts. Good things exist, I swear. Not enough to justify keeping on beyond this year, but enough to justify delaying a major shakeup.
If they were slumping, I’d say do it yesterday. FYI.
The line up mix up was another one . The buck stopped with Charlie- he’s the manager. Any manager worth his salt would have sent the bench coach to double check before game time and say” hey we sent an update- you guys have the correct one.”
That isn’t rocket science, in my job i am sending load-out updates regularly and i ALWAYS pick up the phone and call to verify they are working off the correct one.
That’s minor league stuff and just another example of why many avid Jays fans are so pissed off at him.
The guy id just is not cut out as a manager he won’t grow into the job .
Using Kapler and Mattingly are poor examples . they are ex ballplayers who needed a bit of time to learn it from the other side of the ball.
Charlie had all those years as a minor league manager – he shouldn’t be stumbling around now.
Also- lineup card comment bill? Ignore the fact that Bochy & Maddon also did this but I’ll keep reminding you. Pretty good company to be in.
Not you too eh.
2 of the best managers of this century made the exact same lineup blunder and lived to manage another day.
Bochy & Maddon. I’m sure there have been others. Quick google search gave me a couple gems right away. Surprising but true.
Lowered Expectations.
Managers are not rocket scientists. Mostly they are ex-jocks.
Many avid Jays fans are too busy looking for flaws to realize that this is not a Jays specific problem.
And if Kapler/Mattingly are poor examples, why in the world would you suggest using Dante??!
Are you reading yourself?
You keep asking for an adequate replacement. Here’s a suggestion:
Anyone.
Yes the lineup card diss will continue, nor do I care if other managers have done it. Those you cited have World Series rings and numerous playoff victories. Montoyo not so much.
A short list of managers I’d rather have over Montoyo:
Showalter
Gibbons (although I wasn’t a big fan he was fine)
Hurdle
Tim Wallach
Gary Jones (look him up)
Damon Berryhill
Ed Sprague (glory days pedigree)
You need more?
Holy, you replied with some sincerity.
Any of those guys have flaws.
Any would be better than Montoyo.
How many would be willing to let Shapiro drive from the background in order to be hired?
Seriously Showalter? You wanna see Giles left in the bullpen when it matters come playoff time?
Would any coach over 50 truly get through to these guys?
I’d be looking at a younger coach.
I joke about Beltran but he would’ve been a great candidate minus the massive baggage. Someone like him.
Omar Vizquel interested in coaching?
Victor Martinez?
Brian Mccann?
I’d lean former catcher, especially since David Ross has been showing few flaws and the history of strong ex-catcher managers.
Realest issue with the Jays right now is the errors, mental more than the physical.
3rd base coaching is absolutely brutal.
First sacrifice right there.
Bring in Jones now, why not!
Growing a pair and benching a guy after a mistake is also necessary.
If that costs a win, and the playoffs are missed by a game, whatever. It is necessary to make that statement to avoid being seen as incompetent or as a puppet.
The only way I defend Charlie is to say that he is Shapiro’s puppet. That is not exactly an endorsement.
Shapiro has given some better options for him to work with in the lineup. Next is forcing him to upgrade his staff or be upgraded himself.
This can happen anytime between now and next spring.
Ideally Charlie would have a leash of .500 record to avoid messing with a good thing.
Only takes a few losses for that good thing to need a mixup.
We’re getting very close,.
Can’t agree more about the baffling decisions within the Jays.
Ignoring that other teams do a lot of the same for a moment to add to your points.
Thoughts from tonight…
Why Villar batting 3rd?
Why Teoscar not starting?
How Vlad finished the game after picked off?
New 3rd base coach is my number one wish.
Tell the players that they are the reason Luis is fired might inspire focus more than anything else.
New manager next season for sure.
Right now, Montoyo needs to be forced to commit to a certain lineup and a certain bullpen mix and stick with it.
Unless Teoscar is receiving some message or hurting that we are unaware of, save his rest games for a double header. If at all.
They had the protest day off on the 27th. Who is tired enough to need a day off already?
Teoscar, Biggio, Grichuk, Vlad, Gurriel, Tellez, Villar, Jansen should never be out of the lineup at the same time.
Rest Jansen as required, and give the other guys rest for double headers or one day at a time.
This leaves 3B to work with really.
Fisher can fill in double headers and blowouts.
Shaw/Panik ‘battle’ for 3B role, if neither get hot, Espinal. When Bo returns, try Biggio?
Crazy, but seems less crazy when I think about it thought, try Gurriel at 3B?
Fisher, given consistent ABs could possibly be a decent 9 hitter.
Better than Shaw/Panik/Espinal perhaps?
Unlikely.
Then messing with Gurriel probably.
Definitely crazy.
Bullpen management.
Starting pitcher usage.
Maddening.
The team is 5th in MLB in ERA somehow.
Let them do their thing I guess.
Feels like the team lets the eggheads crunch stats and these decisions end up actually going into play.
A lot of the time looking and seeming absolutely nutty, but ultimately working out somehow.
Relative to the field, which is also making a maddening amount of odd decisions, and mental/physical errors has got to be the main reason.
Cheating aside, Astros built up a solid squad when they had rocket scientist Sig in the picture.
Orioles have Sig in the picture now I believe, and you know they are going to be a threat in a few years. Looking to be very much on the right path.
Rocket scientists vs jocks, may as well let the eggheads do their thing and scratch head in wonder when it somehow seems to work out.
Just some more ramble for you to pick a few flawed word choices to spin.
Signed, filly, your favourite horse. Always bet on me buddy.
Tonight’s game was unwatchable.
Win- how? thanks again to the pitching.
Didn’t realize Vizquel slightly over 50, ruins my wishlist kinda.
Final season was a Jay was the main reason I suggested, but also his fielding and baserunning were top notch.
Any current or recent coach that becomes available with a reputation for baseball IQ would be ultimate.
The ‘Major League coaches’ and the ‘base coaches’ don’t talk to the players at all or what? Only talk hitting?
Pete Walker talks to the pitchers a lot, and they are usually decent to watch.
Can’t complain with certain hitting performances, but can with others.
Baserunning and defense for sure is the worst.
Villar ties Tatis for picked off with tonight’s game? One of these guys can (shouldn’t but does…) get away with it.
Even Gurriel made up for his gaffe.
Teoscar and Vlad have generally made up for theirs at different times.
Villar already has a lot of making up to do, after 2 games haha eeek.
If Vlad was rested today in part because of his picked off yesterday, then we can hope to see Gurriel/Villar benched tomorrow and then a pattern start to emerge with zero leash for repeat offenders. Too little too late perhaps, but a few weeks to sink that in might help.
Hope they keep pitching in the meantime!
Silver lining attempt, can’t help myself hah… there is an obvious focus for what to bring in for 2021 in terms of players and coaches. A focus on focus. Please.
And maybe never trade for a Marlins SS again.
Can they trade their manager (for anything) and bring in a major league manager. instead of the minor league, nintendo, lets try this manager they currently have. He reminds me of Anikin Skywalker in Phantom Menace “Lets try this, Lets try spinning that always works”. Yes they are winning from time to time but the O’s are really helping them win as of late.
who said it was going to be a quiet deadline?
Tell us.
The Jays must have wanted Villar badly if they were willing to give up one of their second generation talents.
Conine has some problems with the juice, and put up gaudy power numbers in a league he was old for. Not exactly a great get. And oh ya, he K’s (against age-inferior competition) at an alarming rate.
But for Villar, it’s pretty fair. And Conine can bask in his father’s legacy in Miami.
Salty jays fan
Villar can be exciting at times but also can be very frustrating. He will rip a line drive single, steal second, then get picked off. He will hit an rbi double then commit an error on defense the following inning. Just depends on the day with him.
I did’nt like Villar. So much going for him and I still didn’t like him, so minus him plus Marte feels like a much stronger Marlins ballcub.
Two games, two errors, two baserunning errors (at least), two too many times batting 3-hole. Done with Villar. He is a headcase. Jose Reyes-lite.
Blue Jays continue making baserunning mistakes. Players and coaches need to be accountable before they can step up. Evidently they are not learning from these mistakes as the same culprits continue committing these little league blunders.