11:55am: The Cardinals issued a statement that the two tests which came back positive were performed Wednesday prior to their game with the Twins at Target Field in Minneapolis. The Cardinals have not been to Miller Park yet. That statement carries particular significance for the Twins and for the Indians, who used Target Field’s visiting clubhouse last night.
10:32am: The league announced that tonight’s game has been postponed. They’ll attempt to make it up as part of a doubleheader Sunday. MLB’s statements reads as follows:
Today’s scheduled game between the Milwaukee Brewers and the St. Louis Cardinals at Miller Park has been rescheduled as part of a traditional doubleheader on Sunday, August 2nd at 1:10 p.m. (CT). The rescheduling as a result of two positive COVID-19 tests in the Cardinals’ organization is consistent with protocols to allow enough time for additional testing and contact tracing to be conducted.
That statement seems to represent a departure from the protocols of just one week ago, when the Marlins/Phillies series was played to completion despite as many as seven known positive cases by Sunday. It’s surely frustrating for some fans to see, but it’s also in the best interest of completing a 2020 season to update protocols based on the efficacy of the standing regulations.
9:35am: SportsGrid’s Craig Mish tweets that two Cardinals players have tested positive so far. Both were pitchers, Saxon adds.
9:25am: The Athletic’s Mark Saxon reports that if the remainder of the Cardinals’ roster tests negative, the series against the Brewers could still begin tomorrow. It remains unclear how many players and/or staff members on the club have tested positive, however.
8:47am: Tonight’s game between the Brewers and Cardinals will be postponed due to positive Covid-19 tests within the Cardinals organization, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (Twitter links). Joel Sherman of the New York Post adds that the Cardinals are isolating at their hotel and have not been to Miller Park.
It’s a discouraging development for the league, which had previously emphasized that the current outbreak within the sport was contained within the Marlins organization. Neither the Brewers nor the Cardinals have played (or will play) the Marlins in 2020 under the realigned schedule.
The number of positive tests will be telling, but it’s easy to imagine widespread implications. The Brewers will obviously be directly impacted, but they’re unlikely to be alone. The Cardinals just traveled to Milwaukee from Minneapolis, for instance, after completing a two-game set with the Twins. Minnesota hosted the Indians last night, meaning the Cleveland players and staff were in the same visitors clubhouse that had just hosted the Cardinals. Both the Twins and Indians, then, could feel the impact of the Cardinals’ tests even if none of the players on either roster have tested positive yet. The Pirates, whom the Cardinals played in their first series of the season, are also likely on alert after today’s news. The Cards had been scheduled to take on the Tigers next week, but as we saw with the Marlins, Phillies and their upcoming opponents, that now could be subject to change, too.
The hope, of course, is that the number of positives is minimal or even singular. Postponing a game based on a small number of positive tests would surely draw some criticism from fans, but the league would be justified in pointing to the prior Marlins outbreak as justification for not allowing a series to commence after a small number of players tested positive. The Marlins had four positives prior to that series, played the three games anyhow, and by yesterday were up to a staggering 17 positives among players and two on the coaching/training staff.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
“Would mean Nationals, Marlins, Blue Jays, Phillies, Brewers and Cardinals games are all postponed due to COVID-19 tonight. 20% of the league.”
Goodbye 2020 season
dave frost nhlpa
*Twins.
Poppin' Balls
Who are you quoting? Yourself?
DarkSide830
well 2020 was good
dougsolo1
All these comments about how the season is over every time there is a positive test is coming from same people who insisted throughout June that the season would never start due to labor issues! Enough already! The season started and now you have all moved on to how season will be cancelled. You will be wrong about that too!! There will be bumps in the road, but MLB is committed to seeing this through even if it takes a multitude of 7-inning double headers. When we crown a world champion, I hope all of you admit you were wrong.
Paul Griggs
They have never admitted to being wrong before. Why break a perfect record?
dejota
It’s like dumb people go out of their way to misunderstand others…do you realize your best outcome is being right and a body pile being taller than it needed to be? Man if your best case is death and you’re gloating about it what does that say about you and your humanity?
beverlydingus
More people die of obesity each year. We’ve got to handle this in a rational way that allows us to continue in the most normal way possible.
Rob B
Good! Then handle it rationally by not comparing apples to oranges. If you could catch obesity would you go around the obese? And you can identify them by sight. This you can’t. Over 2 million a year die of obesity and we do next to nothing to prevent it so yeah let’s do that with this as well. Something that spreads unseen and requires no culpability by the party infected.
Joggin’George
This is more than a bump in the road. This is an already tight schedule being interrupted by multiple postponements due to positive tests less then 10% into the season.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Exactly. When you examine this purely from a baseball perspective, we’re already at the point where they’re going to be playing 7 inning double-headers to get the season in. That is a fundamental change to the game, and it came the first week. I’ve seen some say, “they do it in the minors” as a response; but this isn’t the minors. Do we move toward 4 inning triple headers next, if the need arises? Someone may hit .400, smack 10hrs and drive in 40- and technically win a triple crown in a small sample size. How do you place that among history?
The ultimate issue is player safety, though. I may be alone, but the idea of watching a game makes me feel a bit guilty knowing the risk these guys are taking. You can say they agreed, and I get it- but it doesn’t make me feel better about it.
cptstupendous
Agreed! Curious to grievances being filed based on unfair competitive environment; if a player has contract incentives based on total number or ranking among peers, players playing double headers will be negatively impacted.
ABStract
Well said outlaw!
lettersandnumbersonly
Look! A double rainbow!!!
DarkSide830
cmon man. first time ive said it. and admittedly i feel better knowing the numbers now.
dclivejazz
I’d like to agree with you dougsolo1 but this is looking more and more untenable. I wouldn’t throw in the towel just yet, If more interruptions, or god-forbid other clusters, keep happening, the league won’t have much choice though.
atomicfront
The champion will be the only team left with enough players available to play a game. You might consider them champions but I don’t think anyone else will.
troll
nope, ain’t happening. i’m calling the nfl season as never finishing either. take it to the bank
Rob B
google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29572…
Based on this it seems reasonable to speculate
Hope you are prepared to admit when you are wrong as well … when and if
I may be wrong on this … but I do believe that during the labor dispute I kept hearing that the owners could and would impose a season … and that’s what ended up happening right? No surprise there seems like the people saying that we’re idiots and so were the ones arguing with them.
baseballpun
Jordan Hicks is a genius.
EasternLeagueVeteran
What?
baseballpun
He opted out of this mess.
layventsky
I mean, it’s not like he was going to pitch this season anyways after having Tommy John surgery.
brebbiasbeard
Wasn’t really liking our odds this year anyway.
baseballpun
I was! Cards were definitely going to win the WS if it wasn’t for this darn Covid!
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. St. Louis – Legitimate 2020 World Series Champions!
EndinStealth
If by 1 in a million you mean legit shot then I agree. Cards are only playing for a better draft pick this season, and I’m a Cards fan.
baseballpun
I am also a Cards fan and we were definitely going to win it all (*wink*) if it weren’t for this gosh darn outbreak!
gbs42
EndinStealth, the Cards are/were (?) one of four legit contenders for the NL Central title this season. It’s a tight grouping, but all but the Pirates easily could win the division. I don’t understand the pessimism.
baseballpun
He probably just watched what happens when the Cards play a real team (Minneapolis) and also recognized that this the exact same team as last year that can’t hit.
Paul Griggs
What? The Minneapolis Twins?
baseballpun
I’ll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I attribute the Twins to the likes of Duluth.
cptstupendous
Genuinely curious if this is sarcasm. The points are strong, but I keep getting stuck on “one of four legit contenders for the NL Central title” of a grouping of five teams. Either way it’s a good post, still curious.
gbs42
Captain,
Not sarcasm. Would anyone be surprised if the Cardinals, Reds, Brewers, or Cubs won the division? They’re all tightly clustered talent-wise, and anything can happen in 60 games.
Senioreditor
As a Dodger fan, we were really going to win it but unless we can start the series tonight, I doubt we’ll see a natural conclusion to this season.
burrows_ ghost
Astros strike again
92jays
Why couldn’t they just restart the league the way the nhl did. Find a remote hub city and keep all the players intact
BlueBleeder
The players refused to go inside a bubble. It was a non-starter for the MLBPA.
92jays
What a joke the mlb has become. So unorganized.
atomicfront
The owners could have said then there is no season. And the players would have went into a bubble.
bigjonliljon
A lot more players per team than in basketball. Makes the whole bubble idea really not possible.
Wyoming Bison Expansion Team
Yet we do it between two cities every spring training.
But yeah. Definitely not possible.
Wyoming Bison Expansion Team
Two states* sorry.
Definitely was possible to find two states or pick 1 state for west, central, and east to put teams near each other to play games to limit travel.
ABStract
That probably would have been the plan if those states (AZ and FLA) weren’t covid epicenters
cptstupendous
NHL teams carry 23. Over 30 teams that’s approximately 200 less players than MLB. It is still over 600 NHL players – MLB could have/still can replicate the NHL’s approach. Not sure it would work, but it’s within the realm of possibilities.
atomicfront
NHL is doing. About the same number of players. Just make excuses for the mismanagement.
DarkSide830
baseball in a bubble probably wouldnt work
bogs79
They could have. 3 bubble cities with 2 stadiums in it. West could have hosted in LA (LAA & LAD stadiums). Central could have been Chicago (Cubs & Sox). East could have been NY (Mets & Yanks). With each region having a max of 5 games per day, stagger 2-3 games in each stadium, like 10 am, 3 pm, 8 pm. As far as quarantine goes, you give each team their own hotel to quarantine in, and shuttle them to and from stadium … or you put the entire region within a city’s convention center, which are set up with attached hotel(s), food courts, etc. I’m a Texas high school teacher and we have week long festivals with other schools in the state, so I know major city convention centers are set up for 5,000-10,000 bubble occupancy.
wild bill tetley
California, Illinois and New York would have shot that down in a heartbeat.
cptstupendous
New York is the unknown – they opened up to the Jays even after multiple other cities/states/locales said no.
This is the first I’ve heard of this approach. It’s fascinating and full of potential. Tho wild bill does bring up incredibly valid counterpoints.
Four4fore
Wrong all 3 are high tax states. Players pay taxes in the states they earn them. Each would have jumped at that Idea because when it comes to public health or dollars, those states would jump at the dollars.
bogs79
CA, ILL and NY already approved their own teams playing renegade style (show up, test, play, then do whatever you want in society) and that is clearly not working.
But lots of places could make this work. The Rangers new ballpark and their minor league stadium in Frisco could work. Coors Field and Colorado Springs AAA in Colorado?
The key to all this working is the NBA model. You don’t get in the bubble unless you test negative. You don’t get to leave the bubble until the season is over.
wild bill tetley
Own teams, yes. Not as hub cities. Again, the Governors in those states would have given a big no.
Texas would not work. You have 10 teams (3 hubs) and 5 games per day, roughly. Texas at over 100+ degrees nearly every day. Are there 5 domes in Texas? No.
Hitters would love Colorado. Pitchers would hate Colorado.
The NBA is a sport? Isn’t it pre-determined like Pro Wrestling?
wild bill tetley
Four4Fore – those states wouldn’t have shut down in the first place if taxes was the motivation.
Spike Hyzer
That seems ridiculous. Business travelers pay taxes only in the state where they reside. Are you saying ballplayers get a lower paycheck when they are on the road to those 3 states?
That’s a raw deal for them.
Cat Mando
Spike Hyzer…..it’s called a “jock tax” and even the trainers, scouts and anyone who travels with the team pay it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax#:~:text=In%20the%20….
Appalachian_Outlaw
You can’t really compare it to the NHL or NBA with the bubble because they practically had their seasons in when they shut down. You’d be asking some of your MLB teams to go into a bubble for 3 months, which is why I believe there was opposition.
trace
lol how will they handle the post season if a team has to quarantine? What a mess!
Captain Dunsel
It seems a 2020 baseball season just isn’t in the Cards.
Briffle2
I’m going to the brewery to drown my sorrows.
Birdieman2
Getting ridiculous. Just cancel the season already.
tigerdoc616
Bubbles would have been difficult for baseball given all 30 teams would be playing. NHL and NBA are essentially starting with only playoff teams and a handful of contenders. IMO they should have just gone straight to their playoffs. But nearly impossible to hub 30 teams and have them all play games nearly every day. Could have done the Florida Arizona thing at the teams spring training sites but that still would have required travel in states that are experiencing some of the worst right now in terms of the pandemic.
No, the current plan was probably the best plan, but that requires players to do their part. And unfortunately, with the Marlins, we now know that at least some players did not do their part. If players are not willing to play baseball and go back to the hotel and nothing else on the road, play baseball and go back to their homes when at home, then more of this is going to happen. The success or failure of this season is the direct responsibility of the players and their willingness to follow the protocols.
FSogol
Completely agree. You make good points, but the blame cannot be placed solely on the players. The crappy testing from league is at least partially to blame. Better tests and quicker results may have helped. Plus the league has been quiet on pointing out people not social distancing during games. Anyone seen Joe West? He has a face covering, but it is down around his neck. He NEVER covers his mouth/nose. during a game. The league should have at least warned him about his behavior and threatened a fine or removal. Just watching a game, you can tell who doesn’t care. The league should be passing out warnings and fines.
Wyoming Bison Expansion Team
Excellent points and the NFL needs to take note if they have any chance of playing this year.
If you’re caught out in public for non essential reasons, even then teams should hire local people to run errands for players at home and on the road or have a team employee who’s sole job is to do that, you will be suspended for the season..No tolerance stance.
You want to go out, party, whatever. Fine. But you’re not going to play football then.
atomicfront
The NFL has zero chance of happening. You can’t keep those guys out of the gentlemen’s clubs. So many players.. And they are trying to do college football as well. Shut it all down.
toooldtocare
I was gearing up for the Rangers to win their first WS…..well maybe not the WS, but at least the AL Championship…. well maybe not AL Champion, but possibly, the AL West….well maybe not the AL West…. Maybe a Wild Card….heck better not count on that either…..at least being able to watch baseball….well maybe not that either. Time to go brush the duck blind, clean snakes and wasps out of deer stands…..
Josh5890
What sucks even more is that baring a vaccine, 2021 is going to have the same problems
WiffleBall
They would be smart to plan RIGHT NOW for an 81 game season in 2021, starting in July.
DarkSide830
said it before, will say it again. if we arent at a point where there is some sense of normalcy by then,this country has bigger fish to fry then worrying about sports.
GoLandCrabs
2021 will be a full season with fans in the stands. 8 months is an eternity from now.
DarkSide830
the league needs to find a way to process these tests more quickly. you need to be able to process the tests quickly so that the teams arent together before the testing results come back. the league should be able to deal with a team having multiple tests – that’s what the reserve roster is for, but when a whole tean gets it it can be an issue. im all for forcing the team to play with the players they can find as long as they feel its safe for the rest of the players to play, but there is a point where its ridiculous. hopefully if the Phillies players dont have any positive tests that means transmission betwen two teams is unlikely, which may mean games dont have to be cancelled.
Bartman
I’m guessing the last MLB game played in the 2020 season will be around August 20. Starting the season seemed exciting at first, but it sent the wrong message. Even without fans in the stands, we were trying to make things normal. They are not normal.
Continuing the season puts too many people (players, coaches,, managers, support staff, commentators) at risk of getting a virus that could KILL them. Replace the season with Harold Reynolds, Dan Plesac , Greg Amsinger, Sean Casey, Mark DeRosa and Al Leiter playing the video game MLB The Show 19 with them all ragging on each other remotely. Better than nothing and a whole lot safer.
jimmertee
Did anyone expect anything different?
BigFred
Last team to not have a positive test wins the “piece of metal”.
rognog
Oscar the Commissioner’s Trash Can.
rognog
Tanking team: shut it down.
Upper-tier franchise: get out there and play for ratings.
beyou02215
It seems very unlikely that this season will be completed. It’s been a week, and we already have all of these complications. The Bubble was really the only way that this was going to work. NFL take note!
baseballpun
Well the other option would be to play in a country that actually controlled the virus, like Korea or Japan.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
They’ve done a much better job, and even with that, I got these bullet points from an update I receive daily regarding the virus (I manage a concert venue, btw, which is why I get these). From last night’s email:
• Tokyo asks restaurants to close early in August as cases hit new daily high
• Japan reports highest daily spike in Covid-19 cases since pandemic began
Being vigilant for a while and then easing up isn’t working anywhere.
atomicfront
Yeah this isn’t going to end until either everyone gets it or there is a vaccine. Countries they said that are doing great are just going to get it eventually. If you have a low infection rate somewhere that is like having a field of straw covered with gasoline just waiting for someone to strike a match.
Look at Australia. They were bragging about how they beat covid.
atomicfront
Or go to the Dominican Republic. Just do zero testing and play through whatever you have. I am sure the government won’t care for the right price.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Would baseball in a bubble with hub cities have worked? Maybe. Maybe not.
But, it would have had an infinitely better chance than this train wreck. Literally rewriting the schedule on the fly and postponing games they don’t have time to make up.
Manfred has been exposed as a leader clearly not up to the job.
Bill Skiles
Get your pizzas and beer ready for September triple headers. Woo Hoo!
DarkSide830
if starting pitching wasnt an issue that could actually be real fun.
hiflew
Starting pitching won’t be an issue because by then games will only be 3 innings long and you get the bases automatically loaded at the start of every inning.
flmetfan
News Flash! Manfred says 2020 champ will be Last Man Standing; uhh, team with fewest Positive tests? Stick a fork in this season, it’s done.
DarkSide830
good to see it’s only two guys, but its an issue if any positive tests shut things down.
DarkSide830
also it might be possible that these players werent in contact with the team between contraction and the test. cancelling tonights game wouldnt be nessicary but given they can do a doubleheader, it’s a reasonable precaution.
BlueBleeder
It takes 2-14 days (average 4-5) to test positive after exposure to the virus. So there is no question these two Cardinals were around teammates before the test results were available. Remember the Marlins started with 4 positives? I would be surprised if in the next few days there are not more positives on the Cardinals. It is fortunate that they had a day off yesterday so they didn’t expose another team. But the Cardinals traveled together.
atomicfront
Yeah because Manfred has the whole team flying around the country together on airplanes and then getting on buses. And allowing the players to go out at night and hit all the night spots. Worst plan ever.
Mollysdad
Is this really a shock? I thought they planned for this, That’s why they have 60 man rosters, somebody tests positive, they quarantine him and call somebody else up. Juan Soto tested positive on opening day, they replaced him and moved on. If they keep cancelling huge blocks of games there is no point in playing. They knew players were going to test positive, I find it hard to believe that this was the plan for that
Mollysdad
Of the players/coaches that have tested positive in the last week are any of them sick? Serious question…………
DarkSide830
i believe they reported some of the Marlins have symptoms. maybe not bedridden but at the very least not all asymptomatic.
Steve Adams
Precise numbers aren’t known, but yes, it’s been reported that multiple players who’ve tested positive are symptomatic.
LF16
Disappointing. Amazing how fast our world turned. Unreal. Hope all those impacted recover to full health.
jim stem
Mike Trout travels back home for the birth of his child August 3 without a two week quarantine. Prayers for all involved.
Fred McGriff
I wonder whose ‘fault’ this is. Surely you can find someone to blame. Seems some people are allowed to talk politics here and they don’t get their posts removed or banned, The utter hypocrisy is very large on this site.
Orel Saxhiser
The highest level of leadership is involved, just like in our nation. That’s where the buck stops. Have you ever heard of Harry Truman?
Ancient Pistol
Harry Truman? The president who experienced some of the lower approval ratings in the history of the modern presidency. The man who brought us the Korean and Cold Wars?
Halo11Fan
My Grandfather knew Harry S Truman. They both had businesses on the same street.
My grandfather felt sorry for him, he use to say Truman couldn’t find his butt with both hands. However, Truman did drop the bomb, and my dad was very grateful, otherwise he would have fought in the invasion of Japan.
sufferforsnakes
All these players need to stop picking their noses.
puigpower
The negativity here is unreal.
AngerBot
No one needs sports this much. The moral choice is to shut it down before someone dies.
Halo11Fan
Alcohol will contribute to more players deaths than this virus. Total players deaths for this virus will be zero.
However, coaches, managers and staff are susceptible.
AngerBot
…and families, friends, neighbors, and the community at large.. Angerbot angry at the lack of moral insight. But mostly Angerbot just really sad.
Halo11Fan
And they should be isolating. They shouldn’t be in contact with friends, and neighbors and community.
Talk about hyperbole.
AngerBot
“Reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.” – Albert Einstein
Buzzed Capra
Isn’t it funny how so many players who come back from Covid are playing so well? Freddie Freeman has been on fire lately. Moustakas homered in his first game back. DJ LeMahieu has been going good. Even Dwight Smith homered his first game back. Stop being hysterical and thinking that a player is going to die from this. And yes, we do need sports. If you don’t agree then stop visiting this site. All kinds of low income people are working and you’re gonna worry about these players? Every precaution is being taken to help them.
atomicfront
We don’t need sports. We were fine without them the last 4 months. We need schools for children.. Anything that spreads the virus further and isn’t necessary should be shut down. Baseball is about the least important thing in the country. Especially without fans. What is the point?
Halo11Fan
atomicfront.
Baseball has a much lesser chance of spreading this virus than kids going back to school.
atomicfront
Totally untrue. Kids under 10 aren’t even spreading it much less getting infected. Baseball is totally irrelevant. And without fans and a 60 game season and 7 inning double headers. Come on just shut it down.
Halo11Fan
What about middle school kids.
If kids are not spreading this, that’s awesome. And I’m not saying that’s true or not true, but it will be the first virus I’ve ever know where kids were not vectors.
By the way, a study came out yesterday that disputes your claim.
Hofjoemann
That sound you hear? It’s the baseball season circling the drain.
Vizionaire
so, what is manfred’s protocol? shut down games as infections are shutting down games?
hiflew
I understand postponing a team’s games when half the roster pops positive like the Marlins, but this is TWO people! If two positives on a team force postponements, then why are we even doing this?
padresfan23
The marlins had 4 positive tests before they placed their game and it ended up with 19 players getting it
hiflew
And the Reds had 1 positive test with a player that played in their first game and ended up with him being the only one testing positive.
You can’t judge each situation by an extreme case on either side. All we know right now is that 2 of 30 players tested positive. Which means they still have 28 so they should be able to play. Otherwise, why do we have expanded rosters at all?
Buzzed Capra
Yeah it’s ridiculous.
manfredhatesbaseball
As commissioner I propose we send every team to a bubble quarantine for 3 weeks to be safe then play a college World Series tournament starting with regional pool play
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I truly felt that baseball had the second worst chance of finishing a season (behind the NFL). The travel, the amount of people involved, asking mainly young, testosterone-driven men to act responsibly… Slim chance. All those factors are as bad or worse for the NFL, with the addition of the amount of contact involved.
atomicfront
I don’t think the players will get it playing the game. It is outside. But the NFL Players will all get it. As they have no bubble and they will be going out and doing what NFL players do after the game. Then they will all travel across the country in an airplane together.
antsmith7
Y’all better enjoy watching baseball while you can. I say we have maybe a week of games left, at best.
realistnotsucker
MLB should have gone to a bubble like nba , what else did the league expect by letting these players go back home to the families everyday like people wouldn’t get sick from still being in the General public
echozulu88
MLB wanted to but the players refused.
AssumesFactNotInEvidence
KBO teams have already played about 70 games on average so far…
Halo11Fan
You can’t compare the KBO. When people are told to wear masks, they wear masks. When people are told to isolate, they isolate.
Could you imagine the police walking into these protests and telling people to wear masks?
The two countries are not remotely alike.
waldfee
Quote, baseballpun: “The virus is not controlled here.”
That’s exactly the point. Without elaborating on the chain of stupidity that led the U.S. into the current quagmire, the country’s institutions and organizations ,such as MLB, should have at least realized the direness of the situation and accepted the fact that things like sports and open educational facilities can only happen when the situation is under control.
We teach children to start drinking hot beverages only when they’ve cooled down enough to not burn one’s mouth. The U.S. are like a petulant child who insists on drinking the cup of blistering hot cocoa right away instead of showing some patience and then cries about the pain..
Ancient Pistol
You can’t compare how the nation reacts to COVID-19 and teach a child how to drink hot cocoa. This is probably the worst analogy to use since the too are entirely different.
I think we have to begin to accept the fact we can’t really stop this. Even countries that seemed to have a handle on it are regressing. The UK is ready to reintroduce some lock-down measures. Do you even realize that while many look to NY as a test case on how to stop the virus, over the last month the state has reported about 1,000 new cases a day?
The point: it’s not really controlled anywhere.
baseballpun
This is a lie. New York State has reported fewer than 1000 cases a day since May.
*https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page*
And Korea has fans back in the stands. It’s controlled there.
atomicfront
Yeah after 60 percent of the population got the virus the deaths went down. Nowhere in the world has the death rates that New Jersey and New York have.
Ancient Pistol
That’s NYC. NY State is still experiencing about 1,000 cases a day with the majority in Suffolk county. The state had over 1,100 a few days ago and 1,300 about two weeks ago. The state had 940 yesterday.
Ancient Pistol
This is true. If you control for population, NY’s mortality rate is about six times that of Texas while total cases is double TX.
waldfee
The UK never had a handle on it. As a matter of fact, they been one of the worst countries worldwide.
While some European nations are experiencing upticks in new cases due to the holiday season, the situation is far from the chaos we see in the United States.
For example, Germany’s seven-day moving average went up from about 340 daily new cases to about 640 new cases over the past three weeks. Daily deaths average five deceased. With smart testing and solid contact tracing that’s nothing for a nation of 83 million people. Especially when compared to the U.S. with 66,500 new cases and over 1,000 deceased per day.
baseballpun
This is why all the whining about “politics” on this thread is dumb, to the extent that “politics” includes any reference to government and leadership failure. You can’t talk about why this is happening, and why this season is doomed, without acknowledging that it was doomed from the start because they’re trying to play in a country that has not contained the virus they’re trying to avoid.
waldfee
OK, I now see that a myriad of comments have been deleted due to not fitting the narrative.
Alright then, everything is fine and swell. Best time of the year to play baseball. Fans will be cheering in the stands again soon. Go MLB, you are true genii who couldn’t have handled the situation any better. Rob Manfred 2020!
Nick
The tests were from Wednesday…? Yikes. They MUST have same day results. If that isn’t possible, this is never going to work.
ham77
This is nothing compared to what’s going to happen once NFL training camps get up and running. 90 dudes per team and you think all of those guys are going to be disciplined enough to stay away from bars and restaurants?
Nick
Not to mention that the basic premise of football is 22 men stand near eachother before jumping in a pile 120 times in a row. Baseball feels like a sport where you can distance enough outdoors to not be a huge risk. Football doesn’t.
DarkSide830
and thats what can save this season. if it is found that these outbreaks are localized to the teams thay start in, the season can go on to some extent.
atomicfront
It is very hard to get covid-19 outdoor.s. MLB players aren’t getting it outside. No Phillies got it form the Marlins. They get on the airplane, the bus, the clubhouse.
Spike Hyzer
Not to mention that every hit will caused a ballistic level ‘cough’ that is far more productive and covers a greater distance than any known regular cough in human history.
And that’s 10 guys at least hitting 10 guys on every play.
josiahdd
I don’t see why who was in the visitors’ clubhouse next makes a difference in any of these scenarios. I assume MLB protocols is for the clubhouse to be completely sanitized before any new team comes in. If it’s not part of protocol, the MLB deserves every part of the logistical mess.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
As the manager of a concert venue who has to look into these things, I can tell you that the amount of time between one team leaving the clubhouse and the next team arriving is not enough time to do a proper deep clean and sanitization of a facility.
Robertowannabe
just caught your post after I posted below. Curious, how long does a proper deep clean and sanitation of a clubhouse area take.? Being serious and assuming you are as well.
Robertowannabe
I was assuming the sanitizing of both club houses in every stadium constantly would be in the MLB protocols. The teams and MLB would be open for major liability if they were not kept sanitized, especially between teams using them. I had the same thoughts as you did when I read where there were concerns about the Indians using the same clubhouse that the Cards did. I would have thought that every inch of the place was sanitized beginning the moment the last person left from the Cards.
Spike Hyzer
It’s immaterial. Contact spread from sources are a very low risk factor.
It’s pretty much only spread by coughing and breathing.
And NO ONE has been social distancing and everyone has been constantly high fiving for most of the 6 games I’ve seen.
And few wear masks.
DarkSide830
i think too that its been said that the virus is more airborne transmission than from objects, especially after some time
Dorothy_Mantooth
Just make it until Sept 1st so the Red Sox can reset their CBT please!
Gigorilla
As said earlier – 2 days to get the results for St Louis is wrong. Is that the MLB standard?
Tests today not back til Sunday?
Robertowannabe
That is speedy considering for the rest of us, it can take weeks for a test to come back.
bpskelly
David Price was right. MLB never seemed to take player safety seriously. Problem is, it certainly appears as if the MLBPA was right there with them.
Halo11Fan
BPskelly.. Huh?
The players broke protocol. The players wanted a 60 game, limited day off season.
Do you think “baseball” would have loved to have a forty give game season with two off days a week? Of course they would have. The players would have NEVER gone for it.
People will blame this on the commissioner, but it’s seems obvious their ire is directed in the wrong place.
wild bill tetley
The pillows worn by hitters and the rule changes to protect catchers and middle infielders says you are wrong about MLB’s proactive approach to player safety.
kreckert
So… we’re a week in and roughly half the league has either had players or staff test positive or been exposed to a team that’s had positive tests or been forced to postpone games because they were about to play a team that had positive tests. Seems untenable.
I said cancel it in March
I said cancel it in April
I said cancel it in May
I said cancel it in June
I said cancel it in July
And tomorrow will be August and I’m still saying cancel it.
It’s not going to work. Never was. Never could’ve. And, no, that they tried isn’t admirable. What they really should’ve done is cancel the season in the name of donating their testing capacity to those who really need it since MLB’s getting hundreds of tests a day and mostly getting results within 24-48 hours while people all over the United States are dying waiting for their positive tests to come back.
Cancel it.
echozulu88
I may have missed this but after the MIA mess, why don’t visiting teams bring their clubhouse staff & every locker room gets a deep clean after every series? I get the home teams clubhouse staff know their clubhouse best but they’ve got to be similar enough to be able to prep & brief the incoming visitors. That help cut some risk.
Spike Hyzer
Because it isn’t a risk factor. Since June 1st, they have reversed course on initial thoughts and say that virtually all risk comes from expectorated particles in the AIR alone. It dies on surfaces fairly rapidly. You’d have to touch an object right after someone coughed on it to get it, and then accidentally move the spittle into an orifice.
Masks. All players all the time. NO contact.
Everyone has been violating these two fundamental rules.
atomicfront
They also said you won’t get it outside unless you have a long conversation with someone 2 feet away from them. The virus is very difficult to spread. It would be over by now if people made any effort at all. Even where masks are required people have them below there nose 25 percent of the time.
echozulu88
Yeah makes sense about the deep clean. When it comes to the clubhouse personnel wouldn’t it be smart to bring the visiting teams staff so for example the Marlins players weren’t around any Phillies employees who could transfer it to other employees or the next incoming team?
mrgreenjeans
2 players all you doomsday Mlb season is over people … 1,000’s of tests.. less than 1% positive and non serious .. this is the world we are in.. going to happen! Let’s get them healthy soon!!
atomicfront
2 today, 4 tomorrow, 16 on Sunday.
Perksy
So are we going to have a game cancelled any time here is one positive test? They’ll never get these games in if that’s the case.
ThePeople'sElbow
nope, but when there are multiple positives which have been the precursor reasons for postponing games then yes.
pustule bosey
why do these teams keep putting guys on the field AFTER they have positive tests – the whole season will go down if they keep doing this
atomicfront
The whole season is going down anyway.
Jerry Attrick
I really don’t care if I see major league players or not, I just want to watch baseball. No matter what, this years World Series winner will have an asterisk. The last thing i want is for the season to stop and there to be service time arguments etc. Let’s just get to the end, so we can have one peaceful 2021 season before the league shuts down with a strike in 2022.
ThePeople'sElbow
I don’t care about the safety of others. I must be entertained at any and all costs! Narcissist!
Halo11Fan
Don’t watch movies then. People die on movie sets. Don’t let players drink. Don’t let them drive.
Discernment is needed in every facet of life. Some people have it, some people don’t.
ThePeople'sElbow
what are you rambling on about? are you seriously falsely equivalating a global pandemic to accidental deaths on movie sets and drunk driving? the latter which is a criminal offense and nobody should drink and drive. Are you advocating for drunk driving?
Jaydubs
Says the person posting on a baseball fan site. Since the thought of people enjoying life has made you hysterical, I have the perfect solution. Lock your doors, draw the blinds, turn off the TV and wait for your Bill Gates shot. That way you won’t have to be miserable while the rest of us get on living.
metsfan68
Are we having fun yet?
troll
mikolas got covid19 when he got diagnosed
beverlydingus
Sources?
troll
refer to examining physician. he twisted mikolas’s arm
metsfan68
Dont worry, by next week the seasons over