10:09pm: The players would have $33MM of the $170MM advance they received from their March agreement with the owners forgiven, per Heyman. Teams, meanwhile, would be able to sell advertisements on uniforms in 2020 and ’21 in order to increase their revenues, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
6:16pm: The proposal adds the designated hitter position to the NL in 2020 and ’21, Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel tweets.
2:14pm: The postseason would expand to sixteen teams, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter).
With multiple reporters floating the concept, it sounds as if the expectation is for the union to press for some modest increase in the number of games beyond the sixty proposed. The MLBPA has made clear it hasn’t yet agreed to anything.
2:07pm: The proposal is indeed for sixty games with full pro rata pay, Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports on Twitter. The season would begin on July 19th.
2:00pm: The proposal is for at least sixty games, Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette tweets.
1:34pm: MLB has sent the union a new formal proposal, per Evan Drellich of The Athletic (via Twitter). At the moment, the sides haven’t yet reached an agreement in principle, let alone a full and binding accord. But it certainly seems as if there’s momentum towards a common goal of getting back to work.
Per Heyman (Twitter link), several major pillars of the potential agreement are moving in place, at least conceptually: The players will receive pro-rated pay, the league will get an expanded postseason, and players will waive any potential grievance to seek additional compensation.
1:25pm: In a major potential breakthrough, in-person league and union negotiations appear to be bearing fruit. The sides are “closing in” on a deal to resume play in 2020, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (Twitter link).
If you’ve followed even some of the long-running saga over the pandemic-interrupted season, this comes as quite welcome news. While the vitriol had ramped up in recent weeks, it seems the sides pulled back from the brink of a potentially disastrous season cancellation.
You’ll be forgiven for wondering whether all the posturing truly should’ve been necessary, particularly given that it occurred against a backdrop of much more important events. But there’s still time for MLB and the MLB Players Association to put much of the pain in the background if they can come together and stage a compelling 2020 campaign.
Just over three months have passed since Spring Training went on ice as COVID-19 swept into the United States. The sides reached agreement not long thereafter on a preliminary agreement to resume play. But they were soon arguing over whether that deal’s pay provisions — pro rata, game for game salary for players — applied even if teams were not able to collect a gate.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Believe it when I see it.
sf giants mania
Exactly
ScooterTucker
Exactly
wright4seaver
Probably not even then
deweybelongsinthehall
Rediculous to try to emulate other sports. let them have their playoff farces. More than half the league? Money grab pure and simple when the championship this year means nothing. I don’t gamble including fantasy but looking at the other side, I can see interest in a tournament type playoff.
gary7971
If you’re a Mariners fan, a short season combined with expanded playoffs is probably doesn’t mean nothing, but it certainly means less.. And it does mean we’re likely to be more entertained by a fast start by the M’s.
Especially if you’ve been sitting at home watching multiple favorite TV or interneat series, which are becoming less favorite the more we watch.
Actual people doing actual things, that’;s the ticket.
thornt25
The short regular season actually seems pretty interesting to me. 16 team playoffs is silly, and it’s probably here to stay.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Makes it more interesting. The most unexpected teams can sneak in and win it all. Look at the Nats. They started 11-31 or something like that. Were clutch in the wild card game and then became the first team ever to win 4 games on the road in the world series
Lloyd Emerson
Egg McMuffin
dugmet
They dont play for gumdrops. Professional sports leagues are money-making ventures.
bjhaas1977
Fire Manford!
Mr. Satan
Hallelujah
d-rock2322
Yes! Let’s all send some positive vibes to aid in getting this deal done. I would love to see some MLB soon!!!
PleaseBaseballDon'tKillMe
Yes, I know we’re all supposed to be cynical and evil since we’re online, but I just love baseball and want it back. And no strike after 2021 either, ok everyone?
Go Jays!
VegasSDfan
I agree, be positive and let’s hope they can make a deal and stay healthy
prov356
d-rock – How exactly do you “send positive vibes” smewhere?
johnrealtime
It’s more or less what praying is
prov356
No. Praying is to God. It’s nothing like that at all. How do you send vibes?
d-rock2322
I am just trying share my positivity in hope that it might make someone else think positively as well. I have no idea how to send vibes, but there are a lot of videos on YouTube on how to do so if you want to give it a look. I may watch a video or two to see how to do it.
retire21
UPS
KP23
You go D rock
F that guy!
bballblk
Hooray!!! They’ve finally realized that their squabble over money was going to ruin the sport.
brandons-3
It’d be ironic if baseball goes through all this just for Manfred to hand the Commissioner’s Trophy to the Astros at the end of this thing.
deweybelongsinthehall
Would you watch the championship trophy being handed out? I won’t regardless of the winner because it means nothing. Instead of watching exhibition crap, the fans should show our displeasure in no side caring about us by not watching. Tanking ratings is the only weapon we have.
empirejim
You misspelled ASSTROS
duffy126
I really don’t even care anymore. Ready for nfl
AngelDiceClay
Cya
puigpower
Football sucks
phantomofdb
lol NFL is trash, And has been for 20 years. Small dynasties are good for sports. One team dominating a conference for 20 makes it impossible to watch. Their “parity” is a joke
The Human Toilet
So they decided it was not wise to destroy the league for a short sighted issue.
Now play ball!
beyou02215
The owners don’t want to give up on expanded playoffs for 2021. Huge nut for them.
Halo11Fan
That would make sense. The playoffs for 2020 are not guaranteed. The owners will lose money during the season.
So what can the owners do to protect themselves? Make sure they get some guarantee to extra revenue, and that means expanded playoffs.
Dogs
As I posted in another thread here, the Owners had to make a deal or the players would have grounds for a grievance and would have won in the court of law. By starting the season, if it gets called off because of the virus, the Owners will not owe the players any money for games not played, unless it is stipulated in the new contract.
The Owners had to give in or loose & pay 100% of signed contracts. This was their only way out.
Halo11Fan
I don’t know how you can think they would lose.
I don’t see where the union has a leg to stand on.
matt4baseball
It’s clearly Obvious Manfred and the owners felt they could lose! it brought them back to negotiate with players in 24 hrs!
Dogs
The Books, The Books, The Books.
The Owners knew they would be forced to open their books if they forced a season on the players or if they tried to end the season saying they did not have enough money coming in to play a season. Both would have led to a grievance being filed which again would force the Books To Be Opened.
The third way out was for the Owners to say they couldn’t play because of the Virus. That too would have been overturned because Manfred had came out and said the season was going to probably be canceled because of lost revenue from no fans in the stadiums. That would have also forced the owners to open the books.
And if the Owners Broke the March Contract, the players could have suited for payment in full of all player contracts.
The Owners had backed themselves into a corner that left a New Contract as the only way out.
gwell55
Dogs that is bull if the season got called or they didn’t start the players got no money… at that point it was out of the owners part to give them the 170m for the kids who needed it! You didn’t apparently even note that the state of emergency we are in noted that the owners didn’t have to pay a dime according the the players own contract. The owners while trying to make a deal all of a sudden are on even solider ground if the season got called or they cancel due to the players fighting off the conditions of play due to virus.
Dogs
I said, if the season is called off because of the Virus, the Owners would not have to pay any more for the games not played.
According to the March Agreement:
But first the season must start. If it does not start the Owners can’t fall back and say they can’t play because they are afraid of the Virus because Manfred had already opened his mouth and stated the reason they could not play the full amount or more games was because the Owners were loosing to much money.
The Owners have no foundation to stand on to stop the season because of the Virus unless the season is going and people start getting sick. Then they can stop play and owe the players nothing more.
puigpower
I knew it
1738hotlinebling
Yeh sure
acarneglia
It’s about damn time!
CleatusAnkletaker
20 mins from now:
Manfred and Clark cannot see eye to eye regarding player salaries. The players union is now seeking 110% of pro rated pay while the owners insist on only 95% with a bonus to teams with a playoff birth. None the less folks, at least their willing to keep presenting a proposal to each other
Perksy
I don’t believe it. Not until I see it
WiffleBall
Disappointing. I don’t want baseball this year. Bigger things going on, don’t need getting people distracted from real issues.
kreckert
Right there with you.
The Human Toilet
hi Kyrie!
politicsNbaseball
Some people can watch a baseball game and not forget about what’s going on it the real world. What’s next, shut down Netflix too?
puigpower
Exactly. Let’s shut down all entertainment and salaries of athletes. That will show them that we should really suffer.
clepto
Wiffle, then dont f*ckin watch it! I could care less than zero what you want. Clear and simple enough for you? Turn off your damn tv and get a clue of reality.
brewfan27
same
Strike Four
I’m 100% with you.
puigpower
LOL I don’t understand this take at all.
jim stem
Guess they are ignoring the current situations in Arizona, Florida, California and Texas, not to mention the “sudden” Covid cases within baseball itself. But yeah, let’s fly everybody around the country for baseball as soon as possible.
The Human Toilet
So just cancel baseball until their is a vaccine? life has to move on. The Players will be fine.
Strike Four
“life has to move on”
says who? only a coward takes orders from others, right?
idiot.
The Human Toilet
Wow! you hurt my feelings. Shucks what am I going to do?
Calling people idiots who don’t agree with your point of view does not make your opinion right just makes you look stupid.
James Midway
Don’t worry Strike Four is safe from everyone in his Mom’s basement
Henry Limpet
There has never been a dependable vaccine for an influenza virus, and there is not likely to ever be one.
puigpower
They’re not going to fly everywhere.
Hawktattoo
Walking?
humphrey x boegarts
Monorail
youngTank15
As well as the situations in Minneapolis with no police and Seattle where a small country has formed.
Angels & NL West
High highs and low lows. Welcome to public negotiations splashed across the headlines.
We will have a negotiated settlement and baseball in 2020.
jdgoat
Yes! Now just need to get an effective safety plan and this could be going in a couple of weeks. Hard to believe that could be the case 48 hours ago.
kreckert
Lots of luck with that.
Nicks Nats
Snore
mlb1225
“Is the union and owners nearing an agreement to return to baseball?”
“Well yes but actually no”
1shoe
I am sorry, but this is just plain greed for the owners and the players themselves. The people that generate revenue for all of these jerks are the fans that show up to the parks and buy merchandise for a fraction of what these players make. The same ones that make it impossible to want to make you route for you team because you know that once they become a free agent they will bolt to the highest bidder when they would not even need all that money to take care of their families. Flat out Greed, I got better things to do than spend my time watching a bunch of overpaid premadonnas whine about money.
clepto
Then dont watch. No one cares what you feel. You wont be missed.
youngTank15
Here you are the guy who insulted me when I said nothing to you. I never said anything disrespectful to you.
Robertowannabe
@youngTank15????
youngTank15
I’m referring to clepto.
Robertowannabe
@youngTank15– I hate there boards and how the replies go. Sometimes you have no idea who is replying to who.
1shoe
No one cares what you think either. I simply commented on my thoughts, just like you can. Also, No one complains when music stars or actors make millions doing what they love doing. Just don’t watch or listen if it bothers you too much. but then they are refusing to do their jobs over money, are they?
Robertowannabe
There are times where actors or musicians refuse to perform over money. That is their right. If it bothers you that much when they argue over the money to the point where you can not enjoy the sport than yes, don’t watch. That part of what @clepto said I agree with. @clepto did not have to add what he did on the end. At least ;@clepto did not wish a disease upon you. I respect your opinion and was just offering an opinion as well.
AngelDiceClay
So you wouldn’t leave your current employer if another co.offered you 5 times your current salary??? These players are the 600 best in the world.
hiflew
Not if my current employer is offering me enough money to live 5 lifetimes and I enjoy the setting. It’s not always about getting the most. The difference between $120 million and $240 million may be the same percentage as the difference between $50,000 and $100,000, but it’s not really the same is it? At some point, all players are doing is adding to a pile that they will never spend in your lifetime.
GONEcarlo
LMAO the union and owners must’ve read Matt Swartz’s articles and finally figured it all out
48-team MLB
It’s time for that Atlanta/Chicago World Series.
Setzer
Only 60 games? What a joke.
whynot 2
60 games is better than nothing
hiflew
Is it though? Not if the postseason is going to be almost as long. 16 teams in the postseason is the real joke. Why even play a regular season at all? Just put every team in the postseason and play a College World Series double elimination tourney.
kcmap
If you don’t like this country and it’s flag, please pack up and leave.
lasershow45
You still think it’s about the flag? Why is it the same people who think kneeling is disrespectful are the same ones who destroy the flag while hanging it on their truck beds and wear flag clothing? Guess which actually violate flag code?
hiflew
Why leave when you can change it for the better?
TWWxKeys
So if you disagree with American policies and injustices you can’t peacefully protest or even stay in the country? Wow sounds like a great idea… why didn’t our forefathers think of that?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Too busy dumping tea into that harbor, I guess.
Patrick OKennedy
If they come to an agreement, that’s great. Play ball
60 games is not “as many games as possible”. 57 games would give them the same percentage of full salaries as the owners were stuck on, except that they weren’t guaranteeing regular season pay for regular season games.
Add some playoff revenue for both sides, and maybe that’s what makes it work.
Do the players get any assurances that payrolls won’t be slashed to the ground in the off season?
Dorothy_Mantooth
Those under guaranteed contracts don’t have to worry about payrolls getting slashed next year. With that said, Free agency is going to a barren wasteland next year. Owners aren’t going to spend big bucks on FA’s, players will get pissed and the collusion accusations will start. Even if they play ball this year, this whole mess is still just getting started. Layer the expiration of their CBA after the 2021 season and I foresee some sort of work stoppage coming. Bad times for MLB right now.
Oddvark
Assuming a 60 game season actually gets scheduled, what would the schedule look like? I’m guessing 20 3-game series, maybe broken down as follows:
two 3-game series vs. each of 4 division opponents = 8 series/24 games
one 3-game series vs. each of 10 non-division/same league = 10 series/30 games
two 3-game series vs. one interleague “rival” – 2 series/6 games
Patrick OKennedy
I think they’ve told us that the only interleague games will be vs the same geographical division in the other league.
I would guess at least 48 games within the division, and at least 12 vs same geographic division in the other league. But I’m also expecting the players to bump the number of games up.
TradeBait
Gonna happen.
daboss
BTW I am not wondering whether or not all of the posturing was necessary. I know for a fact that all of it was unnecessary.
kodion
Can’t go into next years’ CBA discussions without a little pre-fight posturing. This is Spring Training for the negotiating teams.
phantomofdb
Precisely. The owners “giving in” and giving full prorated salaries, despite the March agreement *Clearly* saying it needed to be renegotiated for empty stadiums, all but guarantees a lockout.
daboss
I do realize that. Regardless it is still “posturing” and “posturing” is unnecessary.
mrshyguy99
the big reason they are doing this and working on a deal is i bet they are getting heat on them for being the last league to agree to come back. why cant they just play like 70 games expand the playoffs like they want and call it a day. it really not that hard to figure it out. these are just grown ass man that cant get it together
Hawktattoo
Heat from who?
mrshyguy99
if they dont say it doesnt mean there no heat on them to get something done since they are the last of 5 leagues to get something done.
tigerdoc616
Not holding my breath.
Robertowannabe
If you were, you would be now the color of the ring on your avatar!
George
Cooler heads have prevailed?
mlb1225
Maybe between players and owners, but definitley not in this comment section.
Robertowannabe
Definitely a limited number of cooler heads here today.
mlb1225
Damn, this comment section is godawful.
Halo11Fan
When people start talking politics and don’t stick to the topic, it gets awful.
Robertowannabe
kinda ruins things when people start wishing things like cancer and other heinous things to happen to other people………
youngTank15
Where’s the mods?
thornt25
This is great news, if true. Players get more guaranteed money than the last offer and owners don’t have to deal with a lawsuit that drags on. Owners will just have to accept the potential downside of a cancelled postseason.
Wasn’t looking forward to baseball going into the doldrums for 2-3 years.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Meanwhile, Zack Cozart remains the happiest member of the MLBPA. By getting released before the COVID shutdown, the Giants owe him his full $12M+ salary, while the rest of his brethren will have to settle on about 37% of their full year’s pay if they get this deal done. Who would have thought that getting released early would be the best possible outcome this season? Crazy times!
Robertowannabe
Yes, Cozart might be the only person in the U.S. that is overjoyed at being unemployed at the moment.
jleve618
You know 2/3 of people who were laid off are making more on unemployment than they did working right?
thornt25
Haha, I never thought of this. Which is worse:
Mookie Betts trade with a fanless 1/3 season with 16 team playoffs
or
Losing Releasing Zach Cozart a few weeks before you should have and losing $8m more than necessary
Roll
would ellsbury be happier with his release?
GONEcarlo
The Marlins owe Wei-Yin Chen like $22M
thornt25
I assume the Rusney Castillo and Yasmany Tomas contracts will be discounted by this deal? Maybe the Marlins and Giants should have just put their guys through waivers, then forced their guys to go to AAA.
Dexxter
Who even cares anymore?
All the dicking around and negotiating through the media that both sides have done has really turned me off to the whole season.
NBA, NHL and NFL all seemed to work together to get a plan in place. MLB fought and blamed each other like children. It’s been brutal to watch.
jd396
Yeah, I’m about done with the BS. Both sides are suffering from some severe craniorectal inversion. Let MLB as a business entity burn as far as I’m concerned, the charlatans that are in charge now don’t deserve to hold the keys to this sport and all its history.
slider32
Sweet, I kind of like the 16 game playoff for this season, why not! Playoffs are a crap shoot anyway.
GONEcarlo
The worst part of this agreement is that the DH is being added for 2021 also. 2020 was understandable, but the only reason it’d be included in 2021 is if it’s here to stay. I can only hope that the owners/players will have a change of heart in the new CBA after, but it looks like the beautiful strategy of a DH-less game is gone forever.
BukLives
Agreed. I loved DH-less baseball. And the hit and run, and stolen bases, and bunting for base hits (not sac bunts) and triples and the Polo Grounds and Forbes field. Babe Ruth be dangled! I am genuinely depressed. It ‘s another advantage for the big market teams as it increases payroll, and why? Because fair weather fans have small attention spans. Baseball was so unique in that everyone had to throw, hit, field, run. And now? Oh look a home run, oh there’s a strike out and another and another. Complete homogenizing of the game.
mrshyguy99
i do love to see some pitchers hit who can actually hit. but the thing is pitchers are some of the worse hitters in baseball and it 99% of the time a easy out. so maybe it time for hitters to hit and pitchers just do that pitch
endermlb
I parsed the Brewers in 2015 and out of 140ish games where they played with pitchers hitting the number of games that they had a tough decision when it came to a pitchers change was 8. This idea that the pitcher hitting adds tons of strategy to the game is absurd unless you are playing under playoff conditions where everything is magnified. The vast majority of NL decisions are simplistic. I’ve even seen some AL Managers say it is harder to manage in the AL. In the NL the pitchers spot dictates what to do and takes all thought out of the game, in the AL choosing when to make a move is a lot harder. That includes when to take out a starter and when to sub in a defensive player.
Patrick OKennedy
I don’t care if I never again have to watch another pitcher swing a bat. This should have happened decades ago.
Buzzed Capra
Universal DH is a great idea. There’s no more strategy without it. If you have almost any pitcher up with runners on 1st or 2nd and less than 2 outs, you bunt. There is no other viable strategic option with a pitcher who sucks at hitting. Bill James demonstrated this back in the 80s, with a study showing that there was more variance in the sacrifice totals of AL teams than NL.
Vizionaire
8 playoff teams per league? 2 teams from each division plus 2 wildcard teams?
del_got_it
It might be the division winners = 6, and then 5 wildcard teams from each league = 10.
DarkSide830
cmon man. why does there need to be a DH for 2021? railroading it.
whynot 2
Because it’s one of the players demands
Patrick OKennedy
The last I heard of the players making that request was in the last round of collective bargaining. The owners threw it in now as a perk to avoid giving ground on total salary payments.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
If they do 16 playoffs teams and the DH in both 20 and 21, they are here to stay.
chisoxjuan
I never agreed with the shutdown because that’s simply too much of an economic risk on people’s lives. That doesn’t mean we can do away with social distancing.
Imagine if he the flu infected 200M Americans each season. That would mean 160K dead. SARS-V2 is much more robust & therefore more contagious. Some experts believe
over 2/3rd of Americans will be exposed over the next 12 mo;’s. The flu has a widely available vaccine & still kills 40-60K a year with between 40-60M Americans infected.
Even with a vaccine, COVID-19 will likely kill 240-360K in that time frame.
Owners can not possibly offer deferred compensation if no one in the room can answer “when will social distancing end?” Financially the sport needs to figure out
how to operate with at best 25% of normal gate revenue. I don’t think the minor leagues can.
The only answer to “when will social distancing end?” is when American’s can no longer tolerate it. They must first become de-sensitized to those who die from COVID-19 & then the much larger group who require rehab or nursing facilities after surviving it.
America is arguably the most litigatious nation on the planet. If it becomes de-sensitized to COVID-19 teams still have to contend with potential lawsuits. I can’t see social distancing ending without 1) proof of vaccination, 2) waiver agaimst harm due to a faulty/errored vaccination.
The league can not survive unless salaries are pro-rated based on games played & league revenue vs the 2019 season. It seems the MLBPA is oblivious to that reality & now I don’t think there will be a season. Where will the money come from to keep the minors afloat? This impasse could impact some 10K jobs when you consider the entire MLB/mlb gravy train.
Marlins2019
NL DH in 2021? They’re trying to use this as an excuse to foist the DH on the NL in a shady, under-the-table manner. What does 2021 have to do with anything?
endermlb
Define who they are here? I feel like you are saying the owners are trying this when the players are the ones who have wanted a DH, the owners are who voted against it last time it came up.
whynot 2
Forgive him, it’s a marlins fan, what do they know about anything
Henry Limpet
Yeah, you’re right. Marlins are totally stupid fish. Dolphins and whales are way smarter. Jellyfish though…now there is some dumb fish right there!
kreckert
This is getting more stupid by the moment.
TommySnodgrass
I really hope that the MLB doesn’t place advertisements on uniforms permanently. I am not a fan of how that looks on many European sports leagues, or the NBA/WNBA. It puts more money in the leagues’ pockets, sure, but it simultaneously looks cheap.
A New York Yankees squad plastered with Lay’s Potato Chip logos? A Los Angeles Dodgers team with Chase Bank on their shoulders? A Pittsburgh Pirates roster emblazoned with Verizon symbols?
Don’t let this happen permanently.
For Major League Baseball, no brand is stronger than your own.
endermlb
I agree that I’m not a huge fan but I do think it is a really interesting way to bridge the pay gap between the two sides in the short term.
slowcurve
Agree 300%
whynot 2
We’ll all learn to live with it in time
NY_Yankee
I suspect there are teams that will not plaster ads on their uniforms. How do I know? How much could the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers get for naming rights if they chose? But they have not.
gdjohnson
Chico’s Bail Bonds
whynot 2
J. G Wenthworth Yankees, the General Nationals, Bubba Burger Mets… it may not be so bad
Buzzed Capra
It won’t bother me a bit. They have to find whatever revenue streams they can, especially with the cable bubble possibly bursting soon.
clrrogers 2
This advertising on uniforms stuff better not last beyond next season. I understand it for now, but don’t make this a habit.
SalaryCapMyth
That was the first thought I had on it too. I get why you do this for this year but you can see how easy it would be for this to stick.
hiflew
Once they start, they will never stop. Same with the NL DH. And the 16 team playoffs.
joblo
As if the Nike swoosh isn’t enough MLB is going to subject us to more garbage advertising. If I want that I’ll watch the Premier League.
lord_xenu
I’m not a big fan of the DH in the NL, but if that makes or breaks a season, then bring on the DH. Advertising on uniforms, on the other hand, is absolutely disgusting. I’d rather have no baseball than have the players looking like NASCAR drivers.
loota.
I thought the same thing when the NBA announced ads on uniforms a while back but I feel they aren’t intrusive at all. Just my opinion, I guess.
Bone19
Wow.
Baseball really is dying/dead. Advertisements on jerseys is gonna be a new regular thing, watch. They say just for this year and 21 but MLB just went full on corporate mode. Robot umps and rule changes…wtf are they doing to this game I love?
puigpower
Dead because advertising is on every uniform in every sport now? Okay.
whynot 2
It is time for electronic umpires, the flesh and blood ones are too inconsistent and some try to inject themselves into the game too much, too often
Dogs
Who will the Manager go out to kick dirt at & yell at?
Jim Joyce
Armando Galarraga
Ooop’s
Buzzed Capra
Robot strike zone umps will be awesome. Ads on uniforms are going to be here to stay. I have no problem with it.
Dodger Dog
Everything about this sucks. The NL DH sucks. Expanded playoffs sucks. Advertising on uniforms sucks.
jd396
Ads on the uniforms, are you F’n serious… MLB is just trying to get me to lose interest on purpose now.
The Human Toilet
Would you rather have less to no games with no ads on their jersey? If it is for the next 2 years then so be it. They are losing a big revenue stream with no fans at the game so as a fan you got to give in a little bit.
9lives
You think this stuff will be temporary?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I know it offends many baseball fans, but a shorter (48 games even) season could be great.
Every game actually matters now.
Meanwhile, the ads, the DH, 16 team playoffs, etc. are not great and are all going to be permanent.
Nevrfolow
Ok so while there are ads on the uniforms will the commercial breaks be shorter to help pick up the pace of the game?
Zachary Hines
wow 60 games is a joke as is the 16 team playoff why not 100 or something in that range….play double hitters, less days off, expand rosters in need be….and maybe a different structure for playoffs but ad 8 more teams is riduculous. .
James Midway
Because the players are paid per game played. 60 vs 100 is a lot of money for teams to pay with no fans.
thornt25
Advertisements on the uniforms like a euro soccer team and a 16 game playoff like the stupid NBA. While everyone is focused on the short term pay for players, the league is making long-term decisions we’ll all hate in 2022.
johnnydubz
Yep using this experiment as the future and the players don’t care as long as they get paid. I don’t want cheating in baseball yet they don’t ban Bregman Altuve Springer Verlander Correra etc. I don’t want a DH in NL yet they will force DeGrom to settle on a all or nothing player who won’t help him win games.I want the best talent in baseball and they made that impossible with this joke of a draft. I don’t want a 140+ season with 16 teams making the playoffs but that’s what they are angling for.
whynot 2
Well it’s not about what you want…
M’s is for maybe
DH! In the NL?? Finally makes the NL worth watching!
9lives
Advertisements on uniforms? I’ll go back to the good ol days and listen only. And of course all of these temporary measures will be permanent.
toooldtocare
I understand the ads on uniforms for this year and maybe next. Unfortunately if history has taught me anything, is that once something is started, it is hard to get rid of. Also, although I don’t always agree with other people’s ideas or thoughts, calling them idiots or degrading them serves me no useful purpose. I’m a season ticket holder, and I really don’t care if they play this year or not, but I will be ready for next season whatever the outcome of this season is.
beyou02215
Exactly. 2 years of expanded playoffs = permanent expanded playoffs.
Henry Limpet
I cut my cable and stopped watching TV altogether in 2014 and have never looked back. I’ve only listened to the ballgames on radio ever since and I love it. I grew up in the 60’s & 70’s listening to baseball on the radio, so its no problem for me.
Vizionaire
we cut the cable when our son was going to high school. and we have never re-connected it. my wive hates me watching sports all day, especially on weekend. now i watch sports in my room.
User 589131137
I grew up 20 years after you and absolutely LOVE listening to ball games on the radio. It goes to show you that the things that make baseball unique and valuable transcend generations.
And now they want the eff that all up.
Halo11Fan
When I grew up, we couldn’t afford a TV set. I listened to Dick Enberg broadcast Angel games.
And when the season was over, I couldn’t wait for it to start again. Baseball on radio with a good announcer is the end all be all.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I’ve long feared that the NHL would put an ad or ads on the jerseys.
I’ve never even once considered the possibility that ads would be on baseball jerseys.
Vulgar.
The pro sports uniform is how you advertise your own brand AKA the team. Not someone elses for a few nickels.
Too many of the current owners only know how to bleed a business, not how to build one.
endermlb
I take it you have never watched baseball in another country? A lot of them have ads on their uniforms. I don’t have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. But it isn’t like this is something really strange, it happens all over the world already.
Vizionaire
spain’s fc barcellona receives $55 million per season for ‘rakuten’ ads. and they play 38 league games plus a handful of uefa champions league games depending on how well they do. plus a few games for copa del rey championship games.
NY_Yankee
Teams that have traditional jerseys will not have their players look like NASCAR Drivers. Who do I mean? Dodgers, Tigers, Red Sox, Yankees and Cardinals ( maybe the Brewers and Giants).
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I agree. It’s not worth devaluing your own brand.
whynot 2
I will definitely enjoy it when I see “Papa Johns” splashes across the Yankees jersey
Dogs
We’re not talking nickels we are talking Millions of Dollars Per Year.
Austinmac
Let’s play baseball.
Statues celebrating traitorous actors who committed treason leading to 600,000 deaths don’t seem worthy of celebration.
Vizionaire
i concur. and they were thoroughly beaten down. i don’t understand people waving losers’ flags as a sign of their identities. they must be losers, too!
Strike Four
The confederacy literally lasted less than 5 years.
A tiny moment in time does not = “heritage”
Henry Limpet
“people waving losers’ flags as a sign of their identities. they must be losers, too!”
Hey, now please lay off us Pirates fans, would ya? Its not our fault we have the cheapest owner in all of baseball.
Vizionaire
lol!
The Human Toilet
I never understood that either, the flag literally represent losers.
Austinmac
I grew up in the Deep South and the school regularly played Dixie for which we had to stand up. They didn’t play the Star Spangled Banner. Very odd.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
There is nothing that dishonors the American flag more than the Confederate flag.
Not Russia’s, not Germany’s, not Japan’s, not China’s, not Cuba’s….the ONLY flag on Earth that was created for a specifically anti-American purpose is/was the Confederate flag.
And yet…
Halo11Fan
There is nothing that dishonors American more than all this political correctness.
Who decides? You can flag kneel but you can’t have a statue recognizing of a Civil war general. Enough.
We are Fahrenheit 451. If you don’t want to go to Chick Fil a, that’s fine, If you don’t want to go to football games, that’s fine. But keep the government out of it.
Nothing dishonors America more than taking away simple freedoms or the government prohibiting points of view.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
You can decide to fly a confederate flag even though it’s anti-American.
You can decide to honor people who were treasonous to the United States and lost a war…on your own property.
You can decide (for whatever reason) that kneeling is bad even though the country was literally founded on protest.
None of these rights have been taken.
Halo11Fan
Josh, hear the latest news?
Pelosi orders portraits removed of ex speakers who served in Confederacy
When does it stop? It will eventually go to Washinging and Jefferson for being slave owners.
This isn’t about protest, this is about the left trying removing any traces of people they disagree with about anything.
Vizionaire
no. democrats are getting rid of traitors and their sorry traces!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Oh, I didn’t realize some portraits were removed….clearly this country is now Stalin’s Russia.
I was unaware that people who were literally treasonous to the United States of America had an eternal Constitutional right to have their portraits hung in places of honor.
How dare we not honor treacherous losers, indeed.
Strike Four
Slipping in too many playoff teams when MLB needs way less playoff teams = puke
These changes will all be permanent.
Players/managers/staff will die from coronavirus.
This sucks beyond comprehension.
New Zealand reported no new cases, then 2 UK tourists came in and bought it back. It can happen so easily and so fast. Just terrible choices all round. No one should ever die for an economy, you let that terrible economy die first.
James Midway
Literally nobody cares about New Zealand
whynot 2
No need to lash out just because you couldn’t locate NZ on a map
James Midway
Did hurt you feewings whynot?
prov356
You have no sense.
tymeslayer
This is starting to look like declaring the winner of the Kentucky Derby about 100 feet out of the gate. As a huge baseball fan, I think it’s better at this point to just wait till next year.
toooldtocare
My sentiments exactly
prov356
Why?
toooldtocare
For me, if in fact some of the players opt out of playing, which I presume would be some of the higher paid ones that have any concerns family wise, then the season would take on a whole new perspective for me. Other folks feel differently, and that’s fine too.
James Midway
The jerseys already have that ugly swoosh on them that tells you they were made by some kid in a 3rd world country. Maybe more ads drown out the ugly swoosh.
bobtillman
Back in the 70’s, then Red Sox radio guy Jim Woods (along with cohort Ned Martin) got chastised (and eventually fired) for mocking the Sox’ new policy of allowing ads in the middle of innings; yes. boys and girls, there was a time when that wasn’t allowed.
The Sox manager (Zimmer?) came out to remove the pitcher, and of course patted him on the butt. Woods said “And there’s the manager checking the pitcher for hemroids. Remember fans that when you remove a pitcher from a game, always bring your Preparation H”.
I distinctly remember almost falling off my chair in the back yard roaring, and realizing Woods (who was fighting with mangement daily it seemed) was probably a gonner.
LLGiants64
16 out of 30 teams in the play offs. Manfred been watching too much NBA.
Patrick OKennedy
This is the most sensible, and probably accurate, account of the current status of the negotiations.
forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/06/18/manfred-and…
There never was an agreement, but there is a framework. Both Manfred’s and Clark’s statements are accurate. MLB has it’s anonymous leakers that want to shift the onus on the players for the delay- they couldn’t stand being blamed the past few days, and the media runs with it. “They can’t even agree whether they have an agreement” Both Clark and Manfred know there isn’t one.
They’re close, but the number of games is an issue. There may be others, but nothing insurmountable. The players get $25M total for each extra game, and the owners pay that much less whatever per game revenue they get without fans.
As much as I want to see more games, and I don’t expect the players to take just 60 in a 71 day span, I’d rather keep the DH for 2 years than play 10 more games this season. There is no reason to give up something in exchange for more games, but that’s how Manfred is wired. There’s a quid pro quo for everything.
bad bruce
My source is telling me that this offer will be rescinded by the owners. He told me that the players called the owners bluff by accepting this offer. Be prepared for this to be scrapped.
Free Clay Zavada
i am his source and cosign this comment
bad bruce
my man!
OnlyHereToday
Soooooo many people here whinging about the details. Who cares if this season and next are a little different? Crying about playoff berths, uniform branding etc… seems a little shallow. Surely, the most important thing, is that baseball is played and brings welcome relief to many, many people.
DarkSide830
i mostly agree, it just seems odd to extend these things into next year. what’s the reason, its clear the league wants these things in the next CBA.
Pete'sView
Be careful what you wish for. Once money’s involved, it’s likely here to stay. They’re turning baseball into a carnival sideshow.
Austinmac
Agree completely, OnlyHere.
Rex Block
Teams, meanwhile, would be able to sell advertisements on uniforms in 2020 and ’21 in order to increase their revenues, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
Ugh, GROSS! This isn’t friggin’ NASCAR.
Joggin’George
Some of the people complaining that these potential solutions are “money grabs” and nothing more are probably the same folks who think it’s cool that their team has 58 different uniforms.
User 589131137
That’s absolutely not the same thing at all. Marketing your actual product versus selling marketing on your product? Go back to school.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s not just about this season; A shortened season this year will serve as a beta test for next year. So I think it’s important to get this done in some form.
DarkSide830
as much as the sponsor thing seems silly, its a actually a great, creative way to bridge the gap between the two parties here.
xalz
I wonder if the Jersey advertisement sponsorship will be here to stay and if that new ad revenue stream will be included in the 2021 CBA. I hope they mix the sixteen team playoffs in the forthcoming CBA, except in shortened season’s.
gwell55
The players were putting shoe deals for sponsorships with Niki, Reebok, Addidas, and such until the league stopped that advertising so now the players and league will most likely do a deal on that too!
Pete'sView
Advertising on the uniforms, 16-team playoffs and the DH in the NL in 2021. Baseball is going in the gutter.
rognog
Swoosh, ads and the DH. Yuck
User 589131137
Tony, you’re smarter than this. Don’t destroy the fabric of the game (not to mention the Union) for a season that’s utterly effing meaningless.
gwell55
With Fauci saying today that the NFL may NOT play this fall, MLB should hurry and get this decided before the state governors try to close it down. Otherwise the salary fight is mute and the players are going to be left with nothing for salary and the fans get no entertainment.
” Dr. Anthony Fauci gave some dire news Thursday morning regarding the future of football.
As football players at all levels are preparing to return to the gridiron this fall, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said football may not take place unless there are major precautions taken.
“Unless players are essentially in a bubble — insulated from the community and they are tested nearly every day — it would be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall,” Fauci said on CNN. “If there is a second wave, which is certainly a possibility and which would be complicated by the predictable flu season, football may not happen this year.”
Read more here: star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/artic…
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SDavey
Overall, professional sports are pure entertaining moneygrabs. This just puts an exclamation point on it. The fact the players wont play for less than 100% of their overinflated salaries in a seriously shortened season shows they dont care at all about fans, only their personal greed. Do you really think the advertising will be gone in 2022?
matt4baseball
Your information on Players salary and contracts is clearly wrong! The players only get paid as per games that are played! That is why they are struggling with owners for more games. Since they will play only 60 games they will get paid only 40% of their annual contract! only 40%! Look up what “Prorated” means would be helpful to you. The players have offered enough helping the owners with this (1 out of-20)year loss of profits.
cman
you fail to acknowledged the lack of fans in the stands for revenue. That is the hangup. you can’t possibly expect the owners to take a multi billion dollar loss for charity.
The group that sides with the players refuses to acknowledged this (approximately 40% of the owners’ revenues come from concessions, tickets sales, parking, etc). If they players aren’t willing to budge even a bit on this there will be no season and if they continue to tick off fans by dragging this out they’ll have even less in tv revenue.
matt4baseball
Hey Cman, Firstly you alredy agree I’m 100% correct in what i wrote above or you would’t post this trash… To put clarity and fact to your post above! No-One knows what % owners make of anything because they won’t open any books! We DO know that they agreed with Website apps for another hidden billion $s income over 6 yearslast week, That along with 6 billion per year in TV-Cable contracts they can’t hide. That adds up well over players salary (all documented and taxed yearly) of 4 billion per. You must be paid by the MLB owners to side with them.