The Rays have a reputation for winning trades, with good reason. They’ve proven especially adept at picking up undervalued assets from other organizations. Just this month, MLBTR’s Connor Byrne has covered three key players on the current roster who were acquired either in minor deals or were seen as lesser-regarded players in a more notable swap.
There’s one prominent example, though, of a player whom the Rays gave up as a secondary piece in a bigger trade, only to watch blossom in his new surroundings: right-hander German Márquez. Even the smartest organizations have their share of misses.
At the time the Rays and Rockies completed their January 2016 four-player swap, it was generally seen as the Corey Dickerson–Jake McGee deal. Dickerson had put up fantastic offensive numbers in parts of three seasons in Colorado, hitting .299/.346/.532 (124 wRC+) with 38 home runs in 921 plate appearances. Even after adjusting for Coors Field, Dickerson looked like a fantastic hitter. There were questions about him defensively, but there was obvious appeal to adding a potential middle-of-the-order bat with four seasons of team control for Tampa Bay.
On the other side, the Rockies most visible acquisition was the final two arbitration seasons of McGee. He’d carved out a masterful run at the back end of the Rays’ bullpen in the four years prior. The Rockies envisioned a left-handed strikeout arm anchoring their relief corps. (That didn’t happen, as McGee has fallen off, particularly after signing an ill-fated three-year deal to return to Colorado as a free agent after 2017).
Despite McGee’s prior dominance, the deal seemed tilted in the Rays’ favor. Dave Cameron, then of Fangraphs, opined that the Dickerson-McGee framework “just doesn’t make any sense for the Rockies.” As MLBTR’s Steve Adams and Jeff Todd explained, “it’s somewhat surprising…the Rockies felt comfortable parting with four years of Dickerson for two years of a reliever, however excellent he may be, and one mid-level pitching prospect. Colorado, of course, may see considerably more in Marquez than others in the industry.”
Maybe the Rockies were truly outliers in evaluating the then-20-year-old pitcher more favorably than the rest of the league. If they were, credit to them. Over the past four seasons, Márquez has handily been the most valuable player in the swap. He’s racked up between 10 and 12 wins above replacement despite not reaching the majors until that September. His curveball, merely projected to average as a prospect, has actually proven one of the better swing-and-miss offerings of its type leaguewide, per Brooks Baseball. Increased reliance on his slider in 2018 coincided with a second big uptick in his strikeout rate. Long an elite strike-thrower, Márquez now has bona fide swing-and-miss stuff to back it up. Colorado doubled down on their faith in him with a $43MM guarantee last spring that could keep Márquez around via club options through 2024.
On the other side, Dickerson was merely a good hitter over two years in Tampa, undone a bit by an aggressive approach. He hit .265/.310/.480 (109 wRC+) in 1177 plate appearances from 2016-17. With his arbitration costs rising, the Rays somewhat surprisingly shipped him to Pittsburgh for Daniel Hudson, whom they subsequently released, and second base prospect Tristan Gray. Both Gray and Kevin Padlo, the second player the Rockies sent to Tampa four years ago, remain in the system as decently-regarded prospects.
The Rays figure to recoup some long-term value from Padlo and Gray, but that’ll likely pale in comparison what Márquez has achieved in Colorado. He stands out as the one who got away for Tampa.
walls17
Jeez imagine if the Rays had Marquez. I forgot that’s how the Rockies had gotten him.
sandman12
The Rays return for Chris Archer going to the Pirates will become legendary. Hell, it’s already preposterous.
SalaryCapMyth
Does seem so, doesn’t it? When it comes to most lopsided trades, I would say this was worse than the Braves-Diamond Backs trsde that probably got Dave Steward fired from the front office.
gogoblue
That Archer trade is turning into lopsided trade in favor of Rays as days go by, but that trade wouldn’t have happened if the Rays didn’t trade Delmon Young back in 2007. That trade has led to so many players joining the Rays as a result, including Archer. In that regard, Delmon Young trade has already earned legendary status. ESPN covered the details of that trade. Great read for any Rays fan.
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24301269/delmon-young-trad…
padam
Pirates trade Cole – bad return. Try to make up for it and acquire Archer – give up too much. Go backwards a couple of years, if not more.
CowboysoldierFTW
Rays hit more than they miss. They have good scouts. But still every team swings and misses.
ayrbhoy
Cowboy- I feel like they develop and coach their players really well also. They’ll take players who may have been struggling in other org. and get the most out of that player. Wish ‘my team’ did that.
astrosarecheaters2017
Chaim and Click were the reason the rays got good
Brixton
I feel like we say that every few years when the Rays turn over their FO.
brandons-3
They’re the Butler of MLB.
The Human Rain Delay
Jeff Sullivan will be the next name you hear making his way up the ranks-
One of the best baseball minds you will ever encounter Brixton; book it
ayrbhoy
I remember reading his work on Seattle’s fan site: USS Mariner. Looking back on those articles you could tell both he and the pugnacious and snarky evil baseball genius Dave Cameron 😉 were destined for bigger things. I loved Jeff’s style – it’s so original
andrewgauldin
Andrew Friedman and Mitch Lukevics as well.
BW1
GM’s and lots of other baseball ops guys have come and gone for the Rays, but the one constant since 2005, other than owner Sternberg, has been Matt Silverman – who has mostly served as President of the Club during his tenure. Silverman deserves a ton of the credit for making the Rays competitive most years since 2008 (other than 2014-2016).
letsplaytwo
Uh, Andrew Friedman made them good a long time ago.
throwinched10
I am surprised that Dickerson never stuck in Colorado or TB. The dude can hit.
BPax
The Rays and the A’s manage to compete pretty much every year with low payrolls. They have bad ballparks and I’m guessing not great broadcasting revenues. Add low attendance and sub par licensing sales. It’s amazing really. We all know about Billy Beane in Oakland. Tampa is equally impressive. It shows that out of necessity, these two franchises work harder and smarter than most. Maybe the Mets could take notice?
SalaryCapMyth
I’ve always wondered what Tampa or Oakland would be like if they had the financial backing of the Yankees, Dodgers or Cubs. Would they be a juggernaut or would we see that there is an enormous difference in running a low payroll team and a big payroll team?
I think we are more likely to discover Dragons and Unicorns than see a smart, small payroll team suddenly have the backing of a large payroll team but I think it’s a fun academic thought.
gabedoss
I think you’re seeing that with the Dodgers, which isn’t surprising since they got Andrew Friedman from Tampa and Farhan Zaidi from Oakland before he moved on to SF. They have the money to retain their developed players, and the skill to go out and find diamonds in the rough (think Max Muncy).
letsplaytwo
They would Mets it up!
hOsEbEeLiOn
Ray’s didn’t make out too badly in the deal.
Dickerson first season was decent but his 2nd season he regained form.
What makes the deal look worse is the rays cut him to save money.
The Human Rain Delay
Only trade Id like to have back is Jeff Sullivan back to the public !!!!
You are dearly missed my friend
DarkSide830
it would’ve worked out for TB if they were willing to pay Dickerson
Afk711
Don’t get me wrong, Marquez has more value than anyone in that deal but its nothing for the Rays to lose sleep over. He is a #4 starter on a good team.
Tom84
bad take lol he good
Afk711
You have to give him some slack for his home park being Coors but not enough to overproject who he is. We can’t dare say Marquez is overrated in any way.
SalaryCapMyth
Are you basing that opinion off his stats pitching at Coors Field? Because his xFIP last year was 3.54. His life time xFIP is 3.58. He is also very dependable, having never thrown less than 162 innings with the exception of his introduction season which saw 20 innings. I’d say that puts him somewhere around a 2 or 3.
The Devil Rays are one of the smartest ball clubs there is but Marquez is a legitimate loss.
Afk711
Peripherals are not everything. You sound just like the people fluffing up Chris Archer and Jeff Samardzija over the years. FIP is a weak stat as it is but xFIP?? His regular FIP of 3.93 is not that good. Marquez is in no way a 2 starter. There are so many teams that have 2 starters better than Marquez. Like I said he deserves some slack for Coors but not enough to completely discount the games.
SalaryCapMyth
Chris Archers peripherals were terrible in 2019 so I don’t think to many people are fluffing him.
Why is FIP weak as it is? Also, a 3.93 FIP is good because league average is 4.20.
Using xFIP is more appropriate because xFIP includes the ball park a pitcher works in. So you can see how valuable that would be in a park like Coors Field.
Your attitude toward metrics is not reasonable. It’s math used to analyze a players production just like BA/OBP/SLG is. Or are you going to resort to reading chicken bones when you look at a players performance?
Afk711
The math used in the formula in xFIP is pretty ridiculous to judge a pitcher off. Its random numbers a wroter at fangraphs decided a certian result was worth. Besides FIP is extremely flawed because ignoring balls put in the field of play is acting like all defenses stink and cause pitchers harm. In reality bad defense does not kill you to the point it makes your stats look awful. When you have to point to this many things not tied to results, you are reaching. 2016-18 was the prime of when people fluffed up Archer btw.
SalaryCapMyth
FIP and xFIP are specific tools intended to measure specific results. I’m sure you know stats like slugging and OBP doesn’t measure a players ability on base paths or with the glove but I imagine you still use those. So why do you use them but not metrics?
FIP and xFIP measure a pitchers ability without fielder’s being involved because some pitchers benefit from defense more than others while others may suffer more from the park they pitch in. You don’t see the value in that?
You saying they are random numbers interpreted by some individual writer at fangraphs shows that you don’t understand them.
As for fluffing Archer you will have to refer to your own personal experience and that is very limited. If SOME posters decided to use stats to fluff Archer than so what? You can use anything incorrectly.
Afk711
ERA+ is a good way to measure him and take away the Coors effect. He is at 115 for his career. Above average but not #2 starter range.
SalaryCapMyth
Okay. I would agree that by ERA+ standard, Marquez is not a no.2..but better than average and better than a no.4. ERA+ doesn’t take fielding into perspective, but Rockies fielding was pretty neutral if you go by fielding percentage. They ranked 15th by ESPN’s estimation.
But ERA+ is a peripheral stat. In light of our entire conversation, it looks like you found the one you preferred because it at least gets you CLOSER to your original position. Don’t you think you are being intellectually dishonest to criticize sabremetrics but then use the one that supports your view point?
Afk711
Getting rid of ballpark effect is a lot more resonable than getting rid of all balls put in play.
SalaryCapMyth
Fip and xFIP measure how good a pitcher is without fielder’s because some pitchers benefit from good fielding while others suffer from bad fielding. You don’t see value in that? You really think a pitcher that pitches in Coors Field or Yankees stadium is on the same footing as pitching in Oracle park(Giants) or Great American Ball Park(Reds)? I really have a hard time believing that even you agree with your point.
Priggs89
And some pitchers pitch to contact while others try to throw it 200 mph past every hitter. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Taking out fielders is just as dumb as not factoring in the ballpark.
jbigz12
And yet…. FIP has proven to be a better estimator for future performance than ERA itself!
Stats are worthless in isolation. FIP is no different. If you’re arguing that FIP doesn’t accurately estimate results for guys on the extreme edges then you probably don’t understand FIP to begin with.
Most pitchers do not give up a ton of soft contact. There will be exceptions to the rule though. That’s why you have all these other lovely stats to accompany FIP to predict future performance! Let’s use our brains gentleman!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
The fact that you say Devil Rays is a bit alarming…
Arnold Ziffel
That was one of the rare good trades boy wonder Bridich pulled off.
drungohazewood
It’s not nearly so bad of a trade as Jake Odorizzi for Jermaine Palacios. Odorizzi was 15-7 with an ERA of 3.51 last year while Palacios hit .231 for Charlotte.
yandymania
That was pure $$$ move by rays
Priggs89
I thought this was going to be about Liberatore. Guess we’ll have to wait on that one.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
This is news for the sake of news.
Marquez is nothing to write home about. Look at his career ERA and FIP. He’s a third or fourth starter at best.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Chris Archer could still be on the cubs they just had to have matt garza