Let’s begin this look back at perhaps the most famous (or infamous) age-related trade in baseball history with a simple point: the decline phase is real. Both analytical data and just plain common sense dictates that players become less productive as they get older, and this logic has been the backbone of countless transactions over the decades. We see several examples every year of teams being willing to invest in younger free agents, or being willing to give up more in a trade for a younger player (who, in most cases, also comes with more years of team control), while also being less willing to surrender trade assets or big free agent dollars for players in their 30’s, out of a fear that those players might quickly hit the wall.
So in this sense, Reds owner/GM Bill DeWitt wasn’t entirely off the mark by deciding to trade Frank Robinson to the Orioles for a three-player package back on December 9, 1965. It’s always better to move a player a year too early than a year too late, and since Baltimore was willing to give up a promising 26-year-old right-hander in Milt Pappas as the headliner of the trade return, DeWitt felt it was a swap worth making.
Pappas was coming off an All-Star season in 1965, the second time the Detroit native had been named to the Midsummer Classic in a four-season span. Despite his still-young age, Pappas was already a veteran of nine MLB seasons, with an impressive 3.24 ERA (113 ERA+) to show for his 1632 career innings. He was the type of arm that seemingly promised an immediate rotation upgrade, and the inclusion of veteran righty reliever Jack Baldschun only made the deal more tempting for the Reds. Cincinnati pitchers had a cumulative 3.88 ERA in 1965, ranking the Reds 16th out of the 20 Major League teams.
And thus, the O’s sent Pappas, Baldschun, and 21-year-old outfielder Dick Simpson to Cincinnati for Robinson. It was a classic pitching-for-hitting type of swap that saw both teams deal from a surplus in order to address a need, and on paper, the trade made some sense.
On paper.
In practice, no discussion of baseball’s most lopsided deals is complete without mention of this trade, which ended up sparking a golden age of Orioles baseball. The thing about baseball’s aging curve is that those who can defy it tend to defy it in a very big way — great players are defined, after all, by sustaining that greatness over an extended period of time. Any player can have one big season or even several big seasons, but those who can keep that production up across the decades are the ones that truly stand out as all-time legends.
Case in point, Frank Robinson, who was a superstar from essentially day one. Robinson won NL Rookie Of The Year honors in 1956 and also finished seventh in NL MVP voting in his first season, kicking off a dominant ten-year run in Cincinnati. Over 1502 games and 6408 plate appearances from 1956-65, Robinson hit .303/.389/.554 with 324 home runs, making eight All-Star appearances and winning the NL MVP Award in 1961 (a year that saw the Reds win the NL pennant).
There wasn’t much evidence that Robinson was slowing down in 1965, though the slugger did turn 30 years old that August. This detail is maybe the key factor in why this trade is so memorable over 54 years later. Asked why he dealt one of baseball’s best hitters, DeWitt described Robinson as either “an old 30” or “not a young 30,” depending on the source.
Naturally, trading Frank Robinson for any reason wouldn’t have been a fond memory for Reds fans regardless of the specific details. But DeWitt’s mention of Robinson’s age created an easy hook for both the media and maybe even for Robinson himself, who by all accounts was very motivated to prove that the Reds erred in trading him.
That motivation led to Robinson’s 1966 campaign, one of more wall-to-wall dominant seasons any player has ever enjoyed. Robinson won the Triple Crown (49 homers, 122 RBI, .316 average) while also leading the AL in runs (122), OBP (.410) and slugging percentage (.637) for good measure. He proceeded to post a 1.232 OPS in the World Series, leading to Series MVP honors as the Orioles won the first World Series championship in franchise history. As you might expect, Robinson was named AL MVP, making him the first and still only player to ever win MVP honors in both the American and National Leagues.
Robinson hit .301/.401/.543 with 179 homers over his six seasons in Baltimore. This was good for a 169 OPS+, which topped his 150 OPS+ during his previous decade in a Reds uniform. The Orioles reached the World Series four times in Robinson’s six years on the roster, winning another championship in 1970. Ultimately, Robinson didn’t start to slow down at the plate until 1976, his 21st and final season.
As any Reds fan can sadly recount, Cincinnati’s end of the trade didn’t work out nearly as well. Baldschun and Simpson didn’t contribute much over two seasons with the Reds and both didn’t play in the majors after 1970. While Pappas only posted a 4.04 ERA over 490 innings for the Reds before being dealt to the Braves in June 1968, it’s unfair to label him as a bust — it’s just that anything short of Cy Young-level performance would have paled in comparison to Robinson’s Orioles dominance. Pappas went on to pitch eight more seasons in the big leagues, with a 3.57 ERA that represented only a relatively minor step back from his heyday in Baltimore.
The Reds struggled to a 76-84 record in 1966, and DeWitt both stepped down from the GM role and sold the club during the offseason. Though DeWitt had a long career as an executive that included two pennant winners (the 1961 Reds and the 1944 St. Louis Browns — ironically, the franchise that would later become the Orioles), the Robinson trade is the move that DeWitt is most remembered for today, in large part because of his “not a young 30” quote.
The deal has become maybe the all-time cautionary tale for any team thinking about moving an aging but still-productive star. Though there are far more examples of teams either correctly parting ways with a player before their eventual decline, or (by contrast) hanging onto a star player too long and watching him decline on their watch, no GM wants to be the one responsible for trading away a legend. Father Time may not undefeated, as the saying goes, though Robinson put up as good of a battle against the aging curve as any just about any player in any sport.
sadosfan
Baseball at its best
thatsdoctorsmartasstoyou
As a Reds fan, I agree. It doesn’t hurt that I’m watching Suarez (who we got for Alfredo Simon…who we picked back up off waivers) instead of watching in 1970…
padreforlife
There was also other issues. Robinson got into little trouble during off season and surely trade had racial overtones
Alan Horn
I remember that. Something involving a firearm if I remember correctly. Still, that was the worst trade by far in Red’s modern history. Back then, money was not the obstacle it is today in retaining star players. You just didn’t take that kind of gamble and trade away your franchise player back then. Today, money is a major factor, so that is why it is more prevalent. .
mrkinsm
Frank hated Bill, believed he saw players as nothing but indentured servants. Frank was arrested in 1961 due to a firearm violation, and Bill refused to bail him out. In addition, race relations in 1960’s Cincinnati were not good and likely added to it.
tonyinsingapore
Yes, correct on racial overtones. Robinson had mental toughness and an edge about him. DeWitt is reported to have referred to that as being “uppity”.
Pappas had a world of ability that was held back by a significant drinking problem. Reds lefty Joe Nuxhall, reportedly, would complain to his Manager about having multiple starts on short notice/short rest because of Pappas’ “migraines”.
thatsdoctorsmartasstoyou
Great comment
jorge78
I love the historical articles!
realsox
Me too. Thanks for this. Informative and entertaining.
vincent k. mcmahon
Is this the same Bill Dewitt that owns the cardinals?
thebaseballfanatic
No.
mrkinsm
The current owner of the Cards is the son of the DeWitt who owned the Reds. The entire family lives in Cincinnati still to this day.
Lanidrac
And the current President of the Cardinals is his grandson, AKA the owner’s son, all three of them named Bill DeWitt.
joeshmoe11
same family
jorge78
Milt Pappas! He got mad at the Cubs because they wouldn’t let him start (and win) one more game so he could have an even 100 wins in each league! He should have pitched better in his last season. He had plenty of chances…..
joeshmoe11
Worst part is the Orioles beat the Reds in the 70 Series. Robbie didn’t have a huge series but I’d rather have him on my team than the other one
jdrushton
Thanks again for F Robby, Cincinnati!
paule
One little known fact–About 3 days before the Robinson trade, the Orioles acquired Baldschun from the Phils for Jackie Brandt and a young Darold Knowles. So, the Orioles in essence gave up Pappas, Simpson, Knowles, and Brandt for Robinson.
brucenewton
49 homers in ‘66 must be worth 80 in today’s game.
Dag Gummit
There’s a decent chance, I bet. In the 1966 game, Robinson hit HR at a rate of 1 HR every 13.9 PA while the league average among qualified hitters was 34.8 PA/ HR.
In 2019, the average rate among qualified hitters was 23.6 PA/ HR.
If we were to directly adjust 1966 Robinson relative to the league into 2019, my math comes out to him hitting…
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…72
Math:
Step 1: Determine an xPA/HR in rough 2019 terms
(Robinson PA/ HR) * (2019 qual. avg PA/HR)
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(1966 qual. avg PA/HR)
Answer: Adjusting here, Robinson could be roughly projected to hit 1 HR every 9.4 PA
Step 2: Calculate how many HR that would be in the same number of PA
Robinson’s 1996 PA
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9.4
Answer: ~72.4 xHR
Sadly, in real terms, he might also get hindered a bit from reaching that marker since I believe the Orioles park ca. 1966 was much more HR-friendly than their park in 2019.
brucenewton
Appreciate the info. Robinson’s 30 hr in ‘67 wasn’t to shabby either, offense fell even further that year. Frank Howard’s 44 long flies in ‘68 was the most impressive of that era. I believe ‘68 was the most offensively suppressed season in the live ball era and the last year for the 15” mound.
DockEllisDee
between this trade and having Jimmy Wynn taken from them in the expansion draft, you can daydream about what the very good Reds teams of the late 60s/early 70s could’ve been offensively
LouisianaAstros
The Reds did find a way to get Joe Morgan from the Astros.
Made up for Jimmy Wynn.
DockEllisDee
very true!
Alan Horn
That was one of the Red’s all time best trades along with Suarez and Seaver. I don’t remember how we got Dave Parker but that was also a good pickup.
Ssweeps
At the end of his career he was the player manager for a few games for the Angels. Why did they wait so long to get him? Typical for the Angels.
After all, He was the first black manager…for the Indians. You were fun to watch play ball. Your autograph is unusual and I don’t have it yet.
Baseball is still the hardest sport to be really good at. Thank you Mr. Robinson for the memories.
whyhayzee
Frank Robinson vs. Roberto Clemente in the World Series. Wow! Two masters of the game.
BlacksinBaseball
Age had nothing to do with why Mr Robinson was traded. Poorly written article by someone who does not the facts or history. The owner did not like the way Frank Robinson played. Mr Robinson would take anyone out sliding into a base. Owner told him to be more like Jackie Robinson just smile and play. That was not Frank Robinson style. He played hard and would not change his style especially the high spikes. Eddie Matthews punched Frank Robinson in the face and broke his nose for taking out one of his teammates. Frank Robinson still played with the Broken nose and I believe next at bay hit a home run and made a game winning diving catch in the outfield. The owner did not think it was good for a black player to run over a white player and fans were complaining He told Mr. Robinson to stop and he would not. Ohio also had Jim Brown in Cleveland fighting for equality and justice. Ohio was not big enough for two of the biggest black stars to be in one state so he was traded. The move had nothing to do with baseball or his age . More to do with the Black Equality movement of the 60s and the the message of Frank Robinson’s playing style of Blacks it’s ok to fight back Frank Robinson was one of the Top 5 players in the game at the time. Look at the year he just had. Amazing numbers. The owner even tried to tarnish him by saying he was old. That was out of spite and the fact that Frank Robinson would not change his playing style. Cincinnati was a racial hotbed. Frank Robinson wasn’t wanted in the town no matter how good he was. The city did not want him encouraging other blacks to act the same way. So he was shipped. Learn the history of the times before writing an article. Like the BlacksinBaseball Facebook page to learn what really happened.
whyhayzee
Milt Campbell was cut by the Browns after marrying a white woman in the off-season. One of the greatest athletes EVER. Maybe would not have been a great football player like his teammate Jim Brown but probably didn’t deserve to be cut. You would like to believe that sports could be a leader in fighting racism but it was at least partly jazz music. Benny Goodman’s Carnegie Hall concert with Lionel Hampton, Teddy Wilson and Gene Krupa. Jackie Robinson credited that event with helping to pave the way for him to play baseball in the major leagues. Benny Goodman was no angel but he wanted the best musicians regardless of color. Ted Williams used his Hall of Fame speech to advocate for the inclusion of Negro League players in the Hall of Fame. Again, he was no angel, but certainly appreciated the greatness of baseball players regardless of their color.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Alright there Malcom X, you need to slow your roll. First of all, whoever wrote this story did a good job, it wasn’t poorly written as you claim. If anything, your comment was poorly written, missing punctuation, etc.
With that said, you make good points in your comment. I believe that DeWitt likely used the age as a justification in trading a player he didn’t like. A firearm crime probably didn’t help things though. In any case, Frank Robinson is probably the most overlooked superstar in sports history. So talented. But chances are that one of the reasons that he isn’t more loved (a la Aaron, Mays, Ruth, and even Mantle) is that his personally rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And not just about racial stuff.
BlacksinBaseball
I tried to correct the typos and the system kicked me out of the system., It was not a firearm crime. The others started the fight and nothing happened. By the time Frank Robinson came back into the establishment the others had left and Robinson and his friend were arrested. The article is bad not because of the facts because they are correct but the premise behind why Mr. Robinson was traded was wrong. As yes he is not beloved just like Dick Allen was not beloved because they did not just smile and play. Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby did that. Not being able to fight back and holding in all of the tension is why Jackie Robinson wanted to quit after the 1949 season. The stress was affecting him physically.which caused his early death. In ten years in the Majors he ages 30 years. Mr. Robinson is my favorite player of all time because of the way he played and how hard he played. The truth of the stories need to be told about the Owners racial stance and the treatment Mr. Robinson received while in Cincinnati. I apologize for the Typos.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
No need to apologize, you just need to ease up. Bottom line, white, black, brown, yellow, purple…..Frank Robinson is one of the top players in history. He should be treated as such. Just cut some slack to writers like this, maybe you know more about it than he does, but at least he wrote a good piece. That has to count.
gocincy
This trade still puts tears in my father’s eyes. Broke his heart. Seeing Frank wear an O’s cap on his HOF plaque only reopens the wound every time. I agree that there were racial motivations and personality conflicts at play here.
okiguess
Players do decline in their 30s, that’s just common sense. But Frank Robinson played the game hard. Great base runner and feared for his slides into the bases. Seems that those players who have the fire in the belly fare better as they age.
bcjd
Wish that were true of Dustin Pedroia. Kid played with zeal, and broke his body early because of it.
okiguess
I grew up in NYC. I was too young to remember the trade from Cincinnati to Baltimore, but do remember when Baltimore traded Frank to the Dodgers in ’72. It was front page news. Frank was one of the most respected players of that era.
MWeller77
Keep the history coming! Great article.
Side note: Mark wrote, correctly, that 1966 was the Orioles’ first World Series in “franchise history.” Thinking that the STL Browns must have won a title and that Mark meant “first in Baltimore,” I looked it up. Nope. In all those years in STL, the Browns won one pennant, in ‘44, and lost in the WS to – the Cardinals.
bcjd
I wasn’t born until after Robinson retired. I’m only a casual student of baseball history, but it’s telling I didn’t even know Robinson played for the Reds. I think of him as part of the golden years of the Orioles.
wild bill tetley
Have to wonder how many more WS titles Cincy would have won in the late-60’s and early 70’s with Frank Robinson and Pete Rose leading the Big Red Machine.
LLGiants64
Lost in this, of course, is that the trade partner, Milt Pappas, went on to be the first pitcher in MLB to win 200 games (209) with out ever winning 20 games in a season. A good trivia question.
jerseyjoe
I remember my father coming home from work and saying “we just traded Pappas for ‘Pistol Packing Frankie.”
cincinnatikid
I was very young when that trade was made but the worst trade that comes to mind was sending Tony Perez and Will Mcenaly to the expos for Woody Fryman and Dale Murray. Perez was traded to give Dan Driessen the first base job but I truly think keeping Perez would have given the big red machine a 3rd straight world championship in 1977
mfdesquire
Sorry to disappoint you, but no. What killed the Reds in 77 was Bowie Kuhn’s voiding of their trade for/purchase of Vida Blue (they sent too much money to the As along with Dave Revering). The Reds 77 pitching was PUTRID.
The Reds’ 1976 starting staff was excellent. But the ace, Gullett, left as a FA for the NYY. Gary Nolan finally succumbed to arm problems. Pat Zachry was traded for Seaver. Catcus Jack (Billingham) was in serious decline. And Santo Alcala proved to be a one-year aberration (he was 11-4, but his ERA was 4.70, and he basically never pitched in MLB again).
So in 77, the Reds basically had Seaver, Fred Norman, a very ineffective Billingham (ERA over 5); an even worse Woodie Fryman; and a rookie named Paul Moskau, who wasn’t much. Basically win Seaver’s game and pray to split the next four.
The bullpen wasn’t much better. Clay Carroll retired; Will McEnaney was traded, Rawly Eastwick was traded because he had announced his intention to be a FA after the season (he and the Reds had a bad contract dispute). It was Pedro Borbon, Dale Murrary (not goo), and nuttin after that.
You aren’t going to win 95+ with that pitching staff.
mfdesquire
A horrible trade, to be sure. But Bob Howsam ended up making some very sweet lemonade out of Bill DeWitt’s lemons.
In 68, Pappas, the key to the trade, was essentially traded for Clay Carroll, a very solid relief pitcher, but no star (Tony Cloninger and Woody Woodward went to the Reds as well). Baldschun, the #2 piece, was soon out of baseball. But the throw-in, Simpson? Well, he turned into pure gold.
In the 67-68 offseason, Howsam traded Simpson to the Cardinals for a little-used young OF named Alex Johnson. Johnson became a .300 hitter for the Reds, and after the 69 season, he was flipped to the Angels for Jim McGlothlin, Pedro Borbon, and Vern Geishert.
Big Red (McGlothlin) was a good pitcher for the Reds before health problems shortened his career (he died in his late 30s from leukemia). Borbon was a nice RP for the Reds for many years. And the throw-in, Geishert? Again, gold. Two years later, he and Frank Duffy went to the Giants in another of the worst trades in MLB history, as the Giants sent George Foster to the Reds.
So in a strange way, the Reds sent Robby over to Baltimore and over the years got back George Foster, Jim McGlothlin, Pedro Borbon, and Clay Carroll. Not a bad return after all.
KaptainK
Frank Robinson , Cincinnati Reds .
Worst trade in Baseball , Dick Simpson couldn’t play period 176 BA . Pappas missed Baltimore was booed constantly in 66 . Jack Baldshun was done .
Frank was the team leader of the Reds , remember he and Vada Pinson took Pete Rose in 63 under their wings . Racist Dewitt did not like that called Pete in and was told to hang around the white players . Pete would would comply to Reds Management .
Frank was liked in Cincinnati he was our first Black Superstar . Then came the Big O , Oscar Robertson Cincinnati Royals , they did Him the same !!!! Shipped off to Milwaukee Bucks — and won the the Title .
Baltimore has worse racial divisions than Cincinnati in 66 , Frank and his wife could not find housing in Baltimore , until a former black player with the Colts rented his house to Frank and Family .
Frank was finally recognized by the Reds in 98 !!
He looks better in a Reds Uniform anyway . 1956-1965
Bob Howsam once said if he traded F Robby he would of gotten more for him .
Orioles laughed all the way to the World Series !!!