What began as a backup plan has increasingly turned into an apparent inevitability as the coronavirus pandemic continues to grow. If MLB is able to get a 2020 season off the ground at all, it’s likely to be played initially in empty stadiums, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
Just days ago, reporting indicated that the league and union contemplated a return with fans on hand. But that came with a caveat: the agreement gave commissioner Rob Manfred flexibility to launch the season sans spectators (and/or at neutral sites) if circumstances warrant.
As Sherman explains, there’s a growing belief within the game that Manfred will indeed have to find creative solutions to re-start play. The logistics inherent to staging a typical ballgame — stadium workers, public transportation, fans packing stands, etc. — are wholly incompatible with social distancing measures.
Flexibility will surely be the name of the game. Toronto has already announced restrictions that would seem to preclude a typical MLB contest through June 30. Other cities (and/or states and federal governments) will extend or add limitations on gatherings. Even if attendance becomes possible in some jurisdictions, uniformity is unlikely for some time.
Even playing without fans could prove challenging. Consider the difficulties facing Asian leagues that are attempting that feat at present, with halting progress. But it’s surely better than nothing. As Sherman explains, both the league and the players recognize their common interest in getting some revenue flowing again. And we could all stand to see new ballgames, even if only on a screen.
Sherman also highlights another factor at play: the role of the minor leagues. That’s important in its own right, particularly given the typically meager wages paid to minor-league players and the broader battle between MLB and MiLB over the future of the farm system. All of the logistical challenges facing the majors will be multiplied — and without the same revenue potential to support herculean efforts to stage games.
The issue also ties into a key element of a potentially jam-packed regular season: the need for extra MLB players. As Sherman explains, we might see 30-man active rosters. But there’ll be a need for constant supplementation — just as ever, but perhaps even moreso now with the possibility of a shortened second Spring Training and condensed schedule. Developing prospects, keeping depth players available, and managing the 40-man roster for the short and long-term will be more complicated than ever. And it’ll all take place without the underlying structure of a typical minor-league season, at least for some time.
Perhaps some creative solutions will help make this all possible. Sherman floats the concept of upper-minors players participating in some sort of modified instructional league format, where they’d prepare to join the MLB roster as needed. I’ll go ahead and float my own idea: the temporary addition of a few 40-man roster spots that could be used on veteran players. That way, teams could field rosters without forcing up youngsters prematurely or risking prospects to open needed roster space. And it would limit the amount of roster churn — in particular, players moving between different organizations — which could be an important tactic for helping to limit the possibility of disease transmission.
Manfred will face innumerable foreseeable difficulties. Beyond that, there’s broad uncertainty — in all directions. Perhaps some as-yet-unknown development will ultimately brighten the outlook. For now, we can only wait, hope, and do our part to ease the burden on public health systems and our own communities.
MB923
Man this all really sucks. I don’t post here often, but hope the writers/commenters on here stay safe from this. It goes without saying but it sucks not having baseball.
Vizionaire
hope you and your family also stay safe.
titanic struggle
Hate to say it, but I don’t see the 2020 season happening…
realgone2
At this point they just need to cancel it. In the grand scheme of things it’s no that important!
phamdownbytheriver
It’s a week into the season. You can choose not to watch when it starts hopefully by sometime in June. Baseball is a great diversion for many of us fans or not.
realgone2
Thank you for giving me my options. You are very generous.
DarkSide830
why cancel now? there are months to go. it does no one any good to cancel now.
I ❤ Sports
This will still be a pandemic in August. Then we get into cold weather, where to play, holidays, which then runs into February which would start another season. I am all for cancelling the season. It’s not important really. The logistics seems like a nightmare. I don’t believe the players will play the same with or without fans. What’s a world series without the fans? Scrap it already.
brewcrew08
How do you know it will still be a pandemic come August? Even top doctors don’t know when this will end because it’s never been seen before. Please don’t throw out dates just to throw out dates. Also to assume the players wouldn’t do their job because their aren’t fans is another terrible assumption. They are professionals and I’m sure there are many that will take it just as seriously without fans.
MoneyBallJustWorks
the reason why it’s not cancelled is because both sides want to play. hell if owners who would essentially still be taking on a number of expenses feel playing games without fans is fine I can’t imagine players will complain. if both sides agree to cancel, they will need to figure out if players are paid and if players know they won’t be paid, I think most will say “sucks without fans but little Jimmy needs to support his family”
njbirdsfan
You’re the one stating your opinion as if it were fact…and then getting all upset when someone suggests hmm maybe let’s see how things play out first.
thetruth 2
What we need is to end this overreaction before the economy crashes further. According to our Center of Disease Control, less than 1% of Americans are infected, less than 3% are in actual risk of dying. 81% of infected never even have any serious symptoms. We also already have a cure as a doctor who cured 699 COVID-19 patients already found.
gbs42
@thetruth – Please share a link regarding this doctor who has a cure.
giantsphan12
@thetruth, we all get our news and “facts” from our personal favorite sources. Thus each of us feels “our truth” is THE truth. I don’t know where you get the information that we, as a nation, are over-reacting, or that there is a cure. My sources (the virologists, epidemiologists, etc on the White House task force, and others) have said that the only hope for getting through this thing is to keep practicing social distancing. They also said (even POTUS) that a BEST case scenario is a loss of 100-250k. They, the White House Task force, haven’t said a word about a “cure.” So, regarding MLB, I would be thrilled if the season started and games were televised (assuming players/coaches/trainers/family members stayed safe and healthy). But do I think it’ll happen soon…..no. Do I think we’ll have ANY games in 2020….probably not.
Stay healthy everyone!
Cat Mando
thetruth………….
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has published no data, described no study design, and reported no analysis. You are taking him only at his word. I’m surprised you didn’t mention that taking ibuprofen increases you chances of contracting Covid-19 as well. That little bit of BS is anecdotal as well.
If you are that gullible I have some business deals I would love to discuss with you.
The Human Toilet
Why? just assume doom and gloom and give up? the World has to get going again, having MLB baseball back at some pont this is a great sign in the right direction and gives hope.
Also thousands of jobs are on the line if they just give it up, and that is not even including the players and staff.
fivetwos
Easy to just say that, but there are tens of thousands of people who earn their living based on games being played.
Its week into April and you want to throw in the towel just because it sounds good.
Not all that simple, and I’m hoping a happy medium can be reached between keeping people healthy and putting them into financial ruin.
I ❤ Sports
There are more people going into financial ruin & without a job than any staff working in baseball. They will have to figure it out just like everyone else. Having a season just so these people can have jobs is ludicrous. The consideration to cancel is more of a health concern than financial. If it were that simple 80% of the country wouldn’t be out of work right now. Obviously you haven’t lost anyone to this pandemic or have someone risking their health to keep the country alive.
gbs42
You’re saying 80% of the country is out of work right now? Where is the percentage coming from?
stps2019
There is so much ignorance in this comment section. Some get it, way too many don’t . . . Without blanket immunity or a vaccine it will be months before any type of normal social interactions occur. Months so yes the likelihood is the season is cancelled which sucks so many things but there really is no alternative. You can say there is but there isn’t.
MoneyBallJustWorks
agree however months could mean a startup in August and a November world series with a 80 game season and scaled down world series. again this likely is with 0 fans at least to start but to simply say it’s April 01 so let’s cancel the season is doing a disservice to all those who would want to work. sure they may not be able to get back to work but hope is what some people need right now
renbutler
It will NOT be months, or at least not more than 2 months before things start getting back to normal. I’d love to see where you’re getting this misinformation.
thetruth 2
Actually the statistics say otherwise.
Less than 1% of Americans are infected.
Less than 3% of infected are in danger of dying.
81% of infected only have mild symptoms.
As mentioned by respected professors, quarantine those at risk and herd immunity for others is a much much better solution than destroying our lives with little benefit as exposing all those quarantined later again will only create a new wave.
MoRivera 1999
thetruth
You keep saying the same things over and over and you absolutely ignore everything the expert epidemiologists are saying. You’re not worth the effort to respond to. You’re a dangerous uneducated, uninformed waste of space.
Here’s a link to real info from real experts. Look at the chart. Look at the chart. Look at the chart.
riverbendmedia.com/uofu/COVID-19.html
Stop spreading uninformed nonsense.
stgpd
I hate to agree but I must. Better to cancel then try some truncated season.
renbutler
HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely. There’s no data right now that suggests that this is likely AT ALL.
People need to choose their news sources more wisely.
thetruth 2
No. It’s idiotic to cancel a season. It just continues this excessive overreaction.
MoRivera 1999
Why don’t any healthcare experts running this nation’s healthcare systems agree with you? Hmmm? Are they operating as if this is a huge overreaction? No. No they aren’t. They are leading the charge. The social distancing and shelter in place orders are what are keeping this pandemic from exploding and if you listen to the epidemiological experts they still see an explosion in April. You, on the other hand, are NOBODY. Don’t listen to thetruth. He’s NOBODY.
Look at the ahrt in this video, compiled from information provided by the epidemiological expert at the Iniversity pf Pennsylvania (the Ivy League school). Select the meeting from 3/27/2020:
riverbendmedia.com/uofu/COVID-19.html
Don’t listen to thetruth. He’s NOBODY.
MoRivera 1999
Look at the CHART in this video…
baseballto
The opposite is actually true. If there is a 2020 season, there’s been roughly a 100% chance it would begin without fans for a while, but with each day that passes it has been getting less likely that there will be a season at all.
pustule bosey
I don’t totally agree – I think you will see some sort of games played w/o fans – honestly as someone who is an a shelter in place community I would much rather be at home watching a game with no fans than no games, it at least brings some sort of a feeling of normalcy
jbigz12
The problem is you have 35-40 men sharing a clubhouse x30 major league teams. Plus whatever guys you send up and call down from the minor leagues. You get one case of coronavirus and I’m pretty sure everything goes to a dead stop.
It seems next to impossible that someone doesn’t test positive in this scenario. IMO the MLB will try to start the season up—someone will test positive in spring training and play gets suspended again. I can’t see that not being the case right now.
pustule bosey
35-40 people are easy to deal with though – if they are segregated and either have had and recovered or have not had and are tested, they can train and play in an empty park without a lot of concern of infection.
darkstar61
If you try to play the games with fans, you’re going to have to shut down the stadiums for weeks at a time each and every time anyone who visited the stadium tests positive.
The only logical path is no fans, skeleton crew running the stadiums, and hope you never get one of the personal of the clubs infected, as any such positive would then shut multiple clubs down for 14 day periods – and how do you really even keep a season afloat like that?
User 4245925809
Starting without fans was obvious several weeks ago if MLB wanted to get any amount of games in. So is doing without most any clubhouse and support staff, that is if pampered players can manage that.
issue will come when poor teams have to refund tickets already paid in advance and imagine thousands of season ticket holders just decide to cancel for good. How many will be able to without a handout from other owners? We here about how these owners themselves are rich and powerful, but i have doubts.
cjbay
The world needs sports right now. I hope they do play without crowds. Have to get something going.
realgone2
No it doesn’t. The world needs to get their ducks in a row to beat this virus. Baseball is not going to help that other than put the players in danger.
Twinsfan333
Tell us professor how do we “beat” a virus that perviously didn’t exist but now does. I think the CDC could use your help “beating” all viruses.
RunDMC
Being in NYC right now, there’s still been NO TALK of shutting down the MTA. Yes, people need public transportation, but the subways have GOTTEN WORSE since the pandemic combined with the homeless problem and less trains because of less workers from MTA sick call-outs. You want to make a serious dent in the epicenter? Shut down the MTA.
Dan Hunter
prayer prayer and more prayer and fasting.
MoneyBallJustWorks
for one, go back and time and elect a president who gives a (insert applicable obscene word) about people. Sure the economy is in bad shape and will continue to be but this talking out both sides is just creating a confusing message for the followers when a single lane must be taken.
the fact is this starts at the top for a guy who claims he saw this months ago yet not only was ill prepared but also wants people to bow to him for essential supplies. He has the ability to take, albeit drastic, measures to help curve this issue and yet for a period on the weekend people were supposed to believe they were going back to work in 2 weeks.
Ketch
And beating this virus will be easier if we all have things to do that keep us indoors and away from other people. Sports on television falls right into that category.
brianakabigb
No crowds is one thing, but what if a player gets sick? Does the whole team that hangs around with them get quarantined? Do they forfeit the games they were supposed to play for the next 14 days? Do they call up their minor league team for an essential B Crew game? Does the other team have to do the same for fairness? What if the B crew gets sick and they don’t have anyone to play? Do the umpires who were around said players have to qaurantine for 14 days too? So many variables that really point to this season being hard to even start, much less actually play a reasonable amount of games.
Priggs89
If a player gets sick, the league shuts back down. There’s no telling when said player actually got sick, and by the time they show symptoms, it has likely already traveled throughout a good part of the league.
Let’s just be realistic here. Let’s assume there won’t be a season. Take this time to crank out a new CBA so we don’t have to miss another full season.
realgone2
Yup. Work on getting the business side ironed out.
cysoxsale
that’s absolutely insane. 80% get a mild cough, and maybe a fever. these are professional athletes. Theyre not going to be affected much if they DO get it
Basebal101
Cysoxsale….you are clueless.
brewcrew08
In all honesty people with that train of thought is the problem. “I’m in peak health so if I get it it won’t be that bad”. How about the people you give it to? How about that 65 year old with health complications you get it to thinking “it doesn’t do anything to me”
Twinsfan333
Your heart is in the right place brew. But your thought process is the one that’s incorrect. Statistically speaking everyone will contract the virus at some point. The symptoms experienced will vary individual to individual. Everything that’s being done now is to try to not have everyone contract it at the same time. This idea that at some point people will be safe or not at risk is plain wrong. It’s here now and that’s it
brewcrew08
While I agree with you that many will get it in some form I don’t agree that everyone in the US gets it. The only reason I say that is according to the experts they are estimating between 100,000 – 240,000 deaths in the US. Even if you factor in a 2% death rate (which is a guess) that’s 12M Americans. Also, while 240,000 deaths is 240K too many there are millions more that have major health issues in the US. If everyone gets it we would be looking at millions dead.
stps2019
We are looking at millions dying though. Just watch the rogan podcast with the U of MN professor. That’s the best info on this and it’s like 3 weeks old already. It’s either immunity or vaccine. That’s it
Appalachian_Outlaw
The problem is so much more than just how the virus may effect a healthy person, or not. It’s also what happens when the demand for healthcare exceeds the capability, and Doctors and nurses fall ill while caring for patients. If that happens in a burst, we’re all in trouble. It’s a needless risk for a game.
thetruth 2
Wrong. Quarantine and then release is worse.
MoRivera 1999
Thetruth
Stop SPAMMING. You’re NOBODY and every Healthcare system/Hospital executive and senior medical academic are on the opposite side from you. You’re NOBODY.
Even with your information 300,000 PEOPLE DIE. That’s SIX TIMES more than the VIETNAM WAR!!!
bush1
A player getting sick has been my point as well that nobody whose writing these articles brings up, and there really is nothing to prevent that from happening. Plus, it’s not just a player it’s anyone in the organization(coaches, trainers, managers, front office personnel) that could make the whole league shut down again. The Virus really does need to be under much much more control to pull anything off in a major American sport. Until that happens this is all just guessing and hope. Hope is important though.
arne23
At this point, I’d rather there at least be games with no one in attendance, than no games at all. But I’d hate to see the players, coaches, management, media, or anyone involved to get sick. Just not worth it!! Shitty times we are all in.
realgone2
Just cancel the season for real. This is getting ridiculous.
its_happening
Cancel a season ending early October on April 1? No. Month to month is perfectly fine. Because if they do cancel the entire season and somehow this blows over by end of June, you’ll want a half season of baseball to be played.
jbigz12
Cancelling the season now would be helpful for minor leaguers. So they wouldn’t be wondering as to whether or not they’re going to be working in baseball this year. The guys in the MLB will be fine one way or the other. I could see why you would want to cancel the season today but I don’t think that’s very likely.
Everyone involved wants to get paid. I think it’s almost inevitable that someone will get the virus and play will be suspended again but I’m sure that the MLB is going to try.
its_happening
Look beyond the players for once; scouts depend on seasons to be played at every talent level. Concession workers depend on a season to be played. Grounds crew, day-to-day office people ranging from media relations to promotions to sales need a season to be played.
It is an easy, knee-jerk reaction to cancel everything. The decision-making at the top also has to keep in-mind more than just the virus. That might sound barbaric to you and others, but it is the truth. MLB and MILB have to keep the door open, for now.
jbigz12
It’s just as helpful for the grounds keepers and scouts to know they won’t be working as it is for the minor leaguers so that doesn’t really change much.
I’m not arguing ethics for one second here either. I’m talking about reality. The reality is if you start up a season again you’re placing 35-40 men together in a clubhouse. Multiply that by 30 Major league teams. Then consider the minor leaguers who will be shuttled up and down. How the hell are you going to not get a case of corona in the MLB that again suspends play? Looks like the inevitable future unless we have a vaccine on the market in record time.
I don’t need them to cancel the season today… But I can certainly understand why someone has that point of view.
its_happening
Ok reality, let’s play that game; MLB and MILB cancels the season tomorrow. No baseball in 2020. Vaccine emerges mid-May. Conceivably baseball can resume by July 1, except someone decided to make a decision the very first week of April to end the entire ball season.
To my original point; month to month. Unless these minor leaguers and non-players somehow land essential, front line jobs as of right now there is no reason to think that cancelling an entire season in 2020 as of right now helps one bit.
jbigz12
I don’t disagree. I’m not of the opinion the season should be cancelled today. I think you have a likely outcome should play be resumed but things could change. You say month to month, but how long can you go month to month? Are we going to be okay starting a baseball season in August? I think you probably have a 2 month window before that determination absolutely has to be made.
A better solution is probably for each individual to think about their situation. You’ve got guys who have been toiling away in the minors 7-8+ years and aren’t on a 40 man roster—they need to assess their situation. Baseball might not be the answer for those guys anymore. Absolutely no concession workers should be planning to have a job in baseball this summer. If they do, consider themselves lucky —but that shouldn’t be the plan.
Leemitt
It gets complicated reallly fast. A season cancelation is the path of least resistance. Who would have thought?
Ketch
That’s true every year. The problems the league has are theirs to work out. No need to act like any of us need to worry about anything beyond finding the right channel.
DarkSide830
cant believe we’re to the point that trolls here have so little to troll about that they actually will say they want the season to be cancelled now in a futile attempt to keep trolling for the time being.
realgone2
So, because my opinion differs from yours I’m a troll? You’re an idiot.
phamdownbytheriver
You are the one who chooses to give up on the season one week in. Seems as though others are considering that a test soon will be available to see whos positive or not. Takes the risk away fans or not.
stps2019
Doesn’t matter if you have it or not as a fan. One player getting sick shuts the whole thing down
leefieux
I’m not a troll, but if cancelling the season aids in eradicating the disease, I hope that they do it. It would be sad if they started the season and someone like Mike Trout (or any player for that matter) got sick and died.
jbigz12
The probability of a healthy athlete dying isn’t very good. But Baseball will be immediately shut down again once you get a confirmed Case. That’s almost a guarantee to happen at this point. So, the MLB can try—-I just think it’s pretty easy to see how this could turn out.
giantsphan12
@jbigz, I don’t disagree that at first glance, it would seem that professional athletes would not be at great risk, if they did get infected, of perishing. However, many athletes do have comorbid medical conditions that would be bad if they got infected, but don’t necessarily stop them from playing pro sports pre-virus. I read the other day about a player in the NBA (I’m sorry, I can’t remember the player’s name and don’t want to dig it up in the moment) who has Crohn’s disease. He stated that, due to his Crohn’s, and his young son at home, he would not play right now, no matter if the NBA played or not. To me, this says volumes. Lots of guys would play, some wouldn’t take the risk for themselves or their families. Stay healthy everyone!!
Twinsfan333
Eradicate??? Good grief there is no eradication. What we’re currently doing is trying to prevent everyone from getting it at the same time. A vaccine is possible at some point could be years or never.
thetruth 2
We actually have medicine already, as a doctor used it to cure 699 patients and professors are saying that herd immunity is more effective than an idiotic mass quarantine destroying our economy.
stan lee the manly
Current technology can’t eradicate this just like it can’t eradicate the flu. Vaccines and treatment options that stop the bodies own antibodies from attacking the lungs are the two most promising answers to the virus, but those do nothing to kill the virus. One reduces the chances of getting it in the first place, they other stops the symptoms from getting severe while the body fights it off. Neither kill the virus because we’ve never figured out how to do that.
thetruth 2
We can eradicate it with a cocktail of drugs that has proven to work, isolating the ones who can actually die and herd immunity for the rest.
MoRivera 1999
Still no sources for your claims. I don’t believe you. You’re NOBODY. There are NO experts making your claims that we have cures. NONE.
jbigz12
Mo I’m sure you have great intentions but you come off across as a guy with no self control. Responding to every single post thetruth has made doesn’t help your cause. It hurts it. Which is not what you’re trying to do.
whyhayzee
We have the steepest curve in the world right now with no end in sight yet. The only way we have a chance is to restrict travel for months and to start producing serious numbers of tests, ventilators and protective clothing. Restricting travel means maybe the American League plays all their games in Florida and the National League plays all their games in Arizona. Doubleheaders instead of single games. Same two teams play multiple days at the same sight. Play whatever season series you decide upon in consecutive days rotating the home team and then move on to new opponents. Wind up with a Florida (AL) and Arizona (NL) champion and have the World Series in Texas. Test the players constantly along with any other people involved. This could happen starting in August, maybe, if we’re doing things right.
Then there’s this story:
Butler wasn’t surprised to learn that, after completing a baseball scholarship at Marist College in New York, Luderer became a special needs teacher in Cliffside Park, New Jersey. He also began coaching baseball, working to train the next generation of young varsity athletes. “I think he realized the power you have and the influence you have,” Butler said. “I think he wanted to give back.”
On Monday, Butler received a call informing him that Luderer had died earlier that day of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. He was 30 years old.
A grim reminder of the mythology and untruths about this virus.
thetruth 2
Actually the statistics say otherwise.
Less than 1% of Americans are infected.
Less than 3% of infected are in danger of dying.
81% of infected only have mild symptoms.
As mentioned by respected professors, quarantine those at risk and herd immunity for others is a much much better solution than destroying our lives with little benefit as exposing all those quarantined later again will only create a new wave.
darkstar61
Oh goodie, the self-described “truth” is back to spread his untruthful ignorance
jbigz12
Herd immunity AKA social Darwinism! We can get rid of all the sissies who can’t take a little coronavirus, right??? Only the strong will survive!
MoRivera 1999
By your numbers that’s 300,000 PEOPLE DYING. That’s SIX TIMES as many as died from the VIETNAM WAR. That would be a catastrophe.
giantsphan12
I’m with Mo. Thetruth posts only BS!
bush1
A player getting sick is a key element once MLB starts not usually mentioned, and there really is nothing to prevent that from happening anytime soon. Plus, it’s not just a player it’s anyone in the organization(coaches, trainers, managers, front office personnel) that could make the whole league shut down again. The Virus really does need to be under much much more control to pull anything off in a major American sport. Until that happens this is all just guessing and hope. Hope is important though.
timyanks
starting season without fans would last about 3 days, no more than a week. covid19 strikes again
dr. remulak
MLB played — with crowds — during the 1918-1919 Spanish flu pandemic.. The COVID-19 mortality rate among healthy young adults is miniscule. Without crowds, risk is minimal, other than to the older umps with underlying conditions.
brewcrew08
Terrible thought process. That’s great it doesn’t impact young healthy adults that much. They can give it to anyone they are around you understand that right?
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
Dr. Remulak is a Doctor (of sociology) but that isn’t what’s important here! Listen to the Dr!
dr. remulak
Right, That’s why they should play without fans and avoid visiting with the elderly and un-well.
brewcrew08
What about people who work for the teams? What about managers? Assistant coaches? Are you just going to have players locked down for months and not see family?
I want a season just as much as everyone and who knows where things will be in 2-3 months. However all I can base my opinion off of is where things are today and unfortunately that’s not good.
thetruth 2
It’s called isolate the vulnerable, not ruin our lives and economy for them.
brewcrew08
So you isolate the millions upon millions of Americans who have underlying health conditions? How do you do that exactly?
MWeller77
This comment has to be a poorly-considered joke. There’s no way anyone could really think that applying decisions from a century ago to make policy in a global health crisis is a good idea.
While you’re at it, you might as well have everyone in the crowd smoke cigarettes, because they would have done that in 1918 and 1919, too.
dr. remulak
If you are over 60 and/or have underlying health conditions you should not participate in this summer’s fan-free MLB activities, or even interact with those who are involved. Otherwise, your risk of fatality is a small fraction of 1%.
darkstar61
Do you even know why that is the case?
It stems from why the 1918 disease was called the Spanish Flu – hint; it was NOT because it came from Spain, and instead from the fact that only neutral Spain was admitting and documenting what was going on with the pandemic, with all the other countries too engulfed in WWI to do so
That Pandemic spread mostly unopposed throughout the world because the world was too preoccupied to address it. Life continued on in many areas not because it should have, but because Governments were not doing what was needed to stop it
puigpower
Sounds great
jsay2948
The season needs to start in July without crowds, and all of the games need to be played within a short distance of one another – ideally in a place where the outbreak is not as bad. It doesn’t need to be played in an MLB stadium. Could be played anywhere that has enough stadiums, really. Travel has to be minimal for the safety of the players.
cwizzy6
Delusional.. This virus is already everywhere.
darkstar61
Then each time a team has a player or club personal test positive, just remove that team, plus every team they played over the last 14 days, for a 14 day period?
By July 15th we wont have any clubs left playing doing that
thetruth 2
No it’s called herd immunity and is more effective than a quarantine.
MoRivera 1999
thetruth.
You know NOTHING. You are NOBODY. You’re a 25 year-old brat. That’s all. By your own numbers 300,000 people die. That’s 6X the number that died in the Vietnam War. That would be a catastrophe. Just shut up.
giantsphan12
Yeah, what Mo said. All you’re gonna do, thetruth (aka theBSer) is infect other people with your approach.
cwizzy6
I know they say the players want to play, but unless every player signs off on it, they’re putting people in harms way that don’t want to take that risk. In addition, these teams have hundreds of people on staffs that will be pulled from their homes to assist here. I dont think this is anyones best interests.
stan lee the manly
Every player will be given the option to forfeit pay and not work, just like every place of business in the country is required to. Unpaid furlough is an option for every one of them.
Bone19
Realgone2 your pic really sums your posts up rather nicely.
Maybe take a break from the talking television heads for a few days and get control of your emotions again? Concerned.
bravesfan1976
“Toronto has already announced restrictions that would seem to preclude a typical MLB contest through June 30” is not true. They clarified and stated only city planned events are shutdown til then, not professional sports.
Ancient Pistol
I don’t understand how and why we turned into a country that wants to throw in the towel over a virus that so far is so far impacting roughly 0.06% of the public. None of you who support cancelling the season are considering what the economic costs that a self-imposed economic depression means.
For example, not only do governments of all levels lose tax revenues but the disruption in the market will result in higher interest rates for municipal bonds. What does this mean? No only will service industry workers be placed into higher levels of debt that may permanently cripple some families, but the ability of cities and states to address policy concerns in the future will evaporate. If you want smaller classrooms for students (smaller teacher to student ratio) then that’s out. If you want more hiring in police forces, that’s out. Governments will be working on shoestring budgets since they won’t be able to borrow anything with junk bonds and lower tax revenue. It’s going to get real bad.
In my opinion, Sweden has the correct model. Their economy is open as if nothing has happened. The difference, high risk individuals are isolated while low risk people continue. to live their lives. As a high risk individual myself (organ transplant) it is my responsibility ti take this seriously.
Sometimes an economic catastrophe can be even more harmful to people’s health.
gbs42
Money over lives? Great decision.
Ancient Pistol
You do realize that most of the people who died from COVID-19 would likely have died from the flu?
stps2019
That’s not true at all
Ancient Pistol
Of course it is. Most people who die form COVID-19 are the elderly and those with secondary and tertiary medical issues–the same people who tend to die form the flu.
Ancient Pistol
I should add that the one major difference between COVID-19 and the flu is that more young children die from the flu, That is one difference I failed to mnetion.
stps2019
Where is the evidence for such a blanket statement? It’s that line of thinking that has lead us down such a reactive path with this virus.
stps2019
Now if you want to argue you are more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the stadium than catching covid and dying later after attending a ballgame I could understand but to say those that have died due to this would have died from influenza is terribly inaccurate. The flu kills less than 1% of those that catch it. This new covid virus has a rate roughly 2-3% and that’s with China not telling the truth on the number of deaths. Thousands of Americans are dying everyday and it will only get worse
thetruth 2
Actually the statistics say otherwise.
Less than 1% of Americans are infected.
Less than 3% of infected are in danger of dying.
81% of infected only have mild symptoms.
As mentioned by respected professors, quarantine those at risk and herd immunity for others is a much much better solution than destroying our lives with little benefit as exposing all those quarantined later again will only create a new wave.
Ancient Pistol
The problem with taking this statistic is there are many more people who have the virus who develop little or no symptoms so the fatality rate is much much lower. Probably in line with the flu.
Also, thousands of Americans are NOT dying EVERYDAY since the total reported deaths are 4606.
worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
MoRivera 1999
That’s 300,000 people DYING. By your own numbers. And you say our efforts to avoid that are overreacting. You’re NOBODY.
MoRivera 1999
Darth Hihiulus
You are arguing against ALL of the epidemiological experts in the country. And you look like an idiot. THEY are projecting a very steep, very long curve starting in about 9 days if the social distancing and shelter in place orders aren’t working. While you are focused on the foothills, we are headed for a mountain.
bravos14
So the whole world is closing down over your typical flu bug?
giantsphan12
That’s well over 1000 in the last 24 hours Darth. Wait for three more days and it will be 1000s. Very sad, but true. Stay healthy everyone!!
thetruth 2
This 100%
njbirdsfan
Maybe this wouldn’t be a conversation if Dear Leader had taken this seriously when first warned in January.
But no, it’s the media that’s the bad guy for calling him out on his BS when he’s obviously trying to wiggle out of his earlier position.
Ancient Pistol
I’m not sure bringing political opinions into this is helpful. All administrations bungle exogenous shocks. It’s the nature of bureaucratic governance: slow moving institutions that can’t react to the fluidity of events. These institutions are static in nature while all events are the opposite.
whyhayzee
We’ve got wheat and soybeans and milk and oil and lord knows all sorts of things stockpiled that we won’t need BUT we can’t stockpile medical equipment that we know with certainty we will need (we just don’t know when). That’s not bureaucratic governance, that is ignorance. We screwed this up big time.
thetruth 2
Actually he did as he ended travel to China and was immediately called a bigot by the Left. But why let facts get in the way of a good story? It’s all his fault and Dems are never wrong.
timyanks
so you’re going to wait and let a, dear leader, that’s any type dear leader teach you common sense?
Ancient Pistol
What is this dear leader rubbish?
timyanks
the president
Ancient Pistol
I guess but you’re hard to follow with those sentences.
HalosHeavenJJ
If the experts think this can be done safely, ok. Baseball on tv is great.
The infection rate will need to be in a steep decline. It obviously can’t go up forever.
Pete'sView
Nothing would please me more than to be able to watch MLB baseball these days. But it aint gonna happen. Manfred, the players and ownership can’t take the chance—the stakes are too high, not only for them but for their staffs and the public. This virus isn’t disappearing by June, although in warm weather it may slow, according to the medical experts. The pandemic is bigger than any industry, especially one that is for entertainment.
Asfan0780
The san francisco bay area has extended their shelter in place into early may, school campuses will be closed for the year, beaches and state parks in the area has blocked car access. I don’t see how baseball starts anytime soon here or anywhere else and putting players, fans and everyone else at risk
Jubilation
According to John Hopkins, the mortality rate of confirmed cases is 2.16%. Say 70-150 million Americans get the virus (this number comes from the attending physician to Congress and the Supreme Court). Then let’s say 20% show symptoms. That brings you to 14-30 million Americans. That gives you a range of 301,000-645,000 American deaths (assuming that hospitals do not get overrun then you are going to see that rate push a lot higher). 1918 Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans.
I think a best case is that baseball starts in July but don’t see a season happening more likely. Olympics have been postponed and I think it is an open question if football happens this year.
brucenewton
I can’t foresee MLB and the union forcing players, umpires, med staff, grounds crews etc. back to work if there’s still a virus risk, however small. Are they going to force everybody involved to sign a waiver? Even that wouldn’t stand up in court.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
IF we have a season this year (and regardless of how badly I want that, I truly do not think it will happen), it’ll be very interesting to me to see if we all actually enjoy televised baseball played in an empty stadium. I have zero doubt that, at first, the games will be well-received by a sports starved audience, but thinking on it, how exciting is it going to be? All the tense situations in a good game, those times when the home team is down one with a man on first and one out… will they be anywhere NEAR as exciting in a stadium filled with echoes? Will the immediate love affair last? I honestly don’t know. Envisioning a scenario like mentioned above without the crescendo of noise… That essential 3-2 pitch coming, preceded by nothing but silence and the possible/probable droning of the announcers…
Dunno. Baseball fans aren’t often terribly receptive to minor changes in the game. This could completely shatter some of those folks.
Cincyfan85
I’m just thankful we have so many virus experts in the comment section to explain how it all works.
Twinsfan333
Yes how dare people openly discuss things. The monsters!
twoseamer
Not seeing guys like Mike Trout I’m their prime is getting us closer to understanding what it was like as a baseball fan to see Ted Williams get drafted and go fight in WWII at the age of 24 after putting up 4 back to back incredible seasons.
Side note, when looking up what year he was drafted, I noticed that when he hit .406, he had 135 runs. 37 homers, 120 RBI, walked 147 times, had a 10.4 WAR and had an OPS of 1.287 at the age of 22.
He didn’t win the MVP . Joe DiMaggio (who also left baseball to serve) won the mvp vote 15 votes to 8 even though he trailed in every single category except RBIs.
The Human Toilet
The virus is going nowhere, most people will get it at some point or already had it but never knew. The Shelter in place order is more to not overwhelm the medical system all at once and slow the spreed over time. . Once on the other side the virus will still be around for at least another 12-18 month and have to accept that. Once we hit the peak of this and cases start to drop, then you can start catching up to the virus to a point you can actually get on the offensive side which is hopefully starting in July.
We will know much more about the virus as times goes, there will be mass testing that will get results in 15 minutes by then, medical supplies will start catching up with the demands and there will actually be some effective treatments to help. While we are hearing a lot of doom and gloom right now, there is also going to be a ton of progress happening at the same time.
TommySnodgrass
A lot of positivity from “I hate my father”, I love it.
It sounds like you were distancing yourself from your father long before the pandemic.
renbutler
Those of you ready to quit the season already need to turn off the news and look at REAL data, like this:
covid19.healthdata.org/projections
This is part of what the task force is using. There’s very little risk predicted after May, and this doesn’t even take into account promising treatments and even possible vaccine usage ahead of the normal 12-18 month trial window.
It might not mean fans will be in the stands in June, but there’s no reason to believe they couldn’t start baseball activities in June with an eye on July 4 ballgames, and fans gradually let in on a case-by-case basis.
Jubilation
Best case is there is a vaccine late 2020.
timyanks
why not just drink some mercury?
The Human Toilet
Exactly, there is going to be a TON of progress made by the time June comes around, shelter is place is not slow the speed and buy time to get on the offensive end of the battle.
TommySnodgrass
I may be making a strange argument here . . . but I believe the return of sports, baseball or any sport for that matter, would indirectly help the stay-at-home orders and quarantines as people shuttered in their homes get the distraction of sport. Many people would be less inclined to disobey the stay-at-home and quarantine orders and go outside if there is live sports on TV.
Plus, I think an empty sports arena on live TV could send a bigger message towards the magnitude of the stay-at-home orders than no sports on TV at all.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I think you make some interesting and well-stated points.
Doug Dueck
Unless they are televising games back to back to back that you want to watch – each game is about 2.5 hours long. Once the 2.5 hours is up you gotta stretch your legs and go talk to your bro down the street about how great your team looks.
I understand and appreciate the thought; but I don’t think it will work.
TommySnodgrass
The argument that someone needs to walk down the street to talk to their bro is asinine. I’m sure that bro has a phone in his pocket.
I’m saying the empty crowds could actually help people stay inside. The fans will watch from home and the empty seats will shine a light on how important it is for people to remain inside.
I’m glad you “appreciate” the thought, but it’s not just for you, but for the millions of baseball fans out there.
**Stay distant from your bros.**
Sadler
You forgot the part where a player tests positive 2 weeks into the season and they just have to stop again.
MoRivera 1999
Bingo.
giants number 1 fan
It’s overly optimistic, in my opinion, to believe there will be a 2020 season. And it borders on foolish to think there should be.
Clayton Russell
Maybe they could stage some home run derbies at some point– have no catcher so they could still practice social distancing.
If the npb or kbo do get up and running, I hope they find a way to televise them in the US. At least it would be something
Asfan0780
Odd there has yet to be one mlb player not tested as positive yet, I’m sure teams have done their diligence with at least trying to get tests. They have the status and financial backing for it compared to normal citizens
Doug Dueck
I am wondering if teams, generally speaking are withholding any such information so as not to worsen the situation. The hope is to get back to playing and telling the world that they have people in their walk of life test positive is not a positive thing. The Russians say it is not affecting them hardly at all. Is that true? I heard on my local radio station that some Ottawa Senator hockey players had tested positive and have recovered. It seems that they should have mentioned the fact that they were sick back when it happened. Maybe they did and I missed it but if not then why the secrecy?
trouble
Let’s play some ball
whyhayzee
For now, all we can do is have a catch.
whyhayzee
For now, all we can do is have a catch. We’re having trouble with the curve.
whyhayzee
The baseball version of how the government has mishandled this would be to send the catchers out with no mask, no cup, no chest protector, no shin guards and a fielder’s glove.
It’s going to hurt. A lot. But you won’t die, so it’s all good. Now get out there.
Sadler
I think MLB needs to come to grips with the fact they can’t play until this thing is over. There’s no way they’ll all be safe, even without fans.
wilkes47
agreed. when you think of it, How can this work? Say they expand rosters to 30 or say even 40 players. Guys are going to get hurt, Ball clubs are going to want to call up a player to take their spot. They’re going to call them up from the AAA club, But to call them up from the AAA club that means AAA games have to be going on. so you need 30 teams of 30 to 40 players to all not get sick with it…But in addition to that you need 30 AAA clubs to be populated with guys where no one gets sick either….As soon as one guy gets sick, 10 of them are sick and they have to shut the whole thing down again. so you have to have 1500 to 2000 players between MLB and AAA stay healthy…and they’re spread across the country, traveling each week….There is no way this can happen if coronavirus is still out there. As a dodger fan, I hate to see Mookie Betts not play a game for us and we gave up Jeter downs and Alex Verdugo for it. Unless this thing just miraculously goes away in a month or two I don’t see how they can play any professional sports
TickingTurtle
I’d rather watch on tv with no fans in the stands than not watch baseball at all until February 2021. What’s not to say it doesn’t come back next winter or mutate?
Tiger_diesel92
Should just stop the season it sucks but you can’t have playoffs with just a minimum schedule.
gtb1
May have already been asked. Are all the salaries still guaranteed? Most business interruption insurance doesn’t cover pandemics. Does it apply to baseball differently ?