Though negotiations between J.T. Realmuto and the Phillies are currently on hold, the idea of a contract extension between the two sides has been gestating for months. As such, there has already been a lot of speculation about how a Realmuto deal (if one is reached) will shake up the pay scale of catcher contracts. The latest reports indicated that Realmuto was looking for an extension that would pay him more guaranteed money than Buster Posey’s eight-year, $159MM extension with the Giants, which is the second-biggest deal ever given to a catcher.
The largest catcher contract in history? That agreement came exactly ten years ago today, with the Twins making the official announcement a day later. Minnesota had inked Joe Mauer, its star player and local hero, to an eight-year, $184MM extension that covered the 2011-18 season. Not only was it was the largest deal ever signed by a catcher, but it was the fourth-largest contract in baseball history as of March 2010 — Mauer’s payday was topped only by Alex Rodriguez’s two mega-contracts with the Rangers and Yankees, and Derek Jeter’s ten-year, $189MM extension with New York.
Could Realmuto and his representatives try to top Mauer’s contract? Even before the coronavirus pandemic added an extra layer of uncertainty over baseball and the world at large, it didn’t seem overly likely, though Realmuto’s camp had some interest in topping Mauer’s $23MM average annual value. Like Mauer at the time of his extension, Realmuto is just a season away from free agency, but Realmuto recently turned 29 years old, while Mauer was only entering his age-27 season at time of his deal.
Plus, there’s also the fact that the Phillies would naturally be gunshy about signing a catcher to that large a contract given how things played out in Minnesota. Unfortunately for both Mauer and the Twins, the fairytale story of the St. Paul native staying with his hometown team and leading them to a World Series title didn’t come to pass, as 2011-18 was a lean period the franchise. After reaching the postseason six times between 2002-10, the Twins only had one playoff appearance and two winning seasons total over the course of Mauer’s extension.
That period also saw Mauer’s production decline, though some dropoff was inevitable given the high level of Mauer’s first seven MLB seasons. From 2004-10, only six players topped Mauer’s 34.2 fWAR, as he developed into one of baseball’s best all-around players. Those seven years saw Mauer hit .327/.407/.481 with 81 home runs over 3578 PA, while amassing a resume that includes four All-Star appearances, four Silver Slugger Awards, three Gold Gloves, three AL batting titles, and four top-eight finishes in AL MVP voting.
Mauer’s best season came directly before his extension, as he was named AL MVP after hitting .365/.444/.587 (leading the American League in all three categories) with 28 homers over 606 plate appearances. As per Fangraphs, Mauer’s 2009 was tied for the fifth-best season ever for a catcher in terms of fWAR, with 8.4.
These numbers add context to the extension and perhaps serve as a bit of a reminder — Joe Mauer was an awesome player in his prime. Just about any big-market team in the game would have happily given Mauer eight years and $184MM given the opportunity to extend him, and the fact that a smaller market club like the Twins also felt comfortable in taking the plunge speaks to Mauer’s value at the time.
Of course, the Twins faced unique pressure to retain Mauer given his roots, as the idea of a literal homegrown superstar leaving for another franchise would have been a particularly tough blow for Minnesota. It should be noted that the Twins’ extension with Mauer was met with near-unanimous praise from both their own fans and the baseball world in general, with many comparing Mauer to the likes of Tony Gwynn, George Brett, or Cal Ripken Jr. as a one-team star who would define a franchise for a generation. ESPN.com’s Buster Olney described the extension as “going to be viewed as a strong development for Major League Baseball, at a time when there are growing concerns about the disparity between teams like the Yankees and Red Sox, and teams that generate less revenue.”
A decade after the fact, that disparity certainly remains despite the large amount of new revenue (from TV contracts and online media) coming into the sport, as it still stands out as notable when a non-major market franchise makes a particularly big splurge to sign a free agent, acquire a big contract in a trade, or ink one of its own stars to an extension. In the latter case, teams have become more and more proactive about extending their players earlier in their careers, well before they get even a year away from free agency as Mauer did.
From 2011-18, Mauer still provided above-average (113 wRC+, 114 OPS+) production by hitting .290/.372/.405 over 4382 plate appearances. The problem was, however, that this production was less impressive coming from a first baseman than it would have been from a catcher. Minnesota shifted Mauer out from behind the plate after the 2013 season due to a number of concussions and knee problems, and Mauer never played catcher again until his very last game, when he caught a single pitch in the ninth inning before being substituted out.
Mauer’s contract made him a particular target for criticism during the Twins’ struggles in the 10’s, which was an unfair burden given that Minnesota’s issues had much more to do with a number of trades and signings during the decade that provided far less return than the Mauer extension. It’s easy to say in hindsight that the Twins erred in keeping Mauer, though that also makes the assumption that the club would have spent that extra $23MM per season on more canny roster upgrades….or that the Twins would have even stretched their payroll to that extent whatsoever.
Ten years later, the Mauer extension is perhaps best seen as a defensible investment that didn’t quite pan out. Given the perfect storm of age, production, and added hometown value that went into the contract, it may yet be a while before another catcher tops it, with Realmuto’s potential new deal with Philadelphia standing as the closest challenger in years.
Revbdubs
The Mauer contact is the worst in baseball history.
Senioreditor
Not even close. Pujols and Votto quickly come to mind as worse.
hiflew
Votto? Votto more than earned his deal halfway through it. Pujols did as well, but to a lesser extent. Just because he has time left on the deal and is not the player he used to be does not make it a bad deal. The Reds are not going to get the value for him over the next 2-3 years, but they got plenty of surplus value for him in the first 5-6 years.
Good Guys
While I agree that the Votto and Pujols deals aren’t the worst ever to say that Pujols has earned his deal halfway through it is quite a stretch. Since signing the $240 million/10 year contract with Angels he’s been an all star once and had an ops greater than .800 once. He’s been a replacement level player for the majority of that contract.
hiflew
Personally, I would call the contracts for guys like Ricky Romero and Rusney Castillo and Hector Olivera far worse than Hall of Famers like Votto and Pujols and Miggy Cabrera. People buy tickets to watch Pujols play. If Votto is chasing milestones like 3000 hits in a couple of years, Cincy’s stadium will be sold out constantly. Miggy is pretty much the only reason to even watch Detroit for the next year or two. These guys can provide value far above WAR .
Those early career extensions might not be as expensive, but you get far less value out of the investment.
Good Guys
So what you are saying is paying former stars who are far removed from their prime years $20 to $30 million per season is a great idea?
JoeBrady
If Votto is chasing milestones like 3000 hits
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1-I know it is just a ‘for example’, but Votto will need to play into his late 40s to get 3,000.
2-And, if he does, people will still only buy tickets for the 10 games before and after the projected 3,000 date.
3-I seriously doubt anyone buys tickets to see Pujols play. LAA was drawing 3.3-3.4M when they were winning. They are down to 3.0M.
Netflix&RichHill
People paying to specifically watch albert Pujols play likely ended in 2013, dude. Your ideas about baseball contracts are the most ill-informed takes I’ve ever heard. In fact your take is the albert Pujols or Chris Davis contract of takes.
its_happening
Neither one of you are close. Wow. Chris Davis, anyone? Even Stanton is worse. Yasmani Toman. I’m sure we can add more.
brucenewton
Votto’s is in no way a bad contract. He’s probably at the point where anything he provides moving forward is surplus value on it.
puhl
Ah, no. Many are much, much worse. Hayward, Votto, Elsbury etc
8
Yeah but you can’t say that because it was smart at the time
The Human Rain Delay
Pujols easily-
Hes ruined the first 8 years of Trout and by the time its over will make it a cool decade
Deploy Eloy
Crash Davis is the worst
johnrealtime
Yes, embarrassing for everyone commenting above you that they said anyone other than Chris Davis.
Deploy Eloy
My votes would be Chris Favis or Rustney Castillo from recent memory
8
I enjoy watching Davis and Brandon Hyde getting along though so that adds value
Deploy Eloy
Probably not even the worst contract on the team at the time. Morneau didnt really work out either
scarfish
Bonilla deal still the best of the worst.
wjf010
Sorry Eloy….do you even know of what you write? There was nothing wrong with Morneau’s contract. And, there really was nothing wrong with Mauer’s. They had to sign him to that deal. They were moving onto a taxpayer funded stadium. Plus, he gave them 7 pretty good years for basically nothing.
Deploy Eloy
@wjfo10, Thats not what I meant. I feel that Mauer’s deal was better than Morneau’s 20-20 hindsight. When Morneau’s deal was given, dude was raking. He fell off a cliff 2 years into the deal due to concussions. Can’t help but feel for the guy, but the contract given was definitely not worth it for the Twins. I also never said Mauer’s contract wasn’t worth it. You are arguing with me about something I agree with you on. Homegrown boy will sell tons of tickets
Jeff Zanghi
It’s not even remotely close to being anywhere near the worst contract in baseball history. Not only is it no where near being the worst… it actually wasn’t even ever a disaster at any point as so many big/long-term deals are. What I mean by that is that Mauer was never a “bad” player at any point during his contract. there were a few seasons where he really wasn’t much of a plus either. But he never had any seasons like Chris Davis has had for the Orioles lol. And if not for the concussions and knee issues — had he been able to remain a C and not a 1B – he actually would have been an offensive positive throughout even his worst offensive seasons. Unfortunately that wasn’t the case as he was forced to become exclusively a 1B but even then he still maintained decent enough averages and OBP even in his “worst seasons” — so there’s no way you can make a case for this being the “worse contract” of all time.
Bleedsblue81
I think Puljols by far 28M last year, 29M this season, and 30M next year still. This is the main reason, imo, that the Angel’s haven’t put a winning team around Trout all these years.
hiflew
I disagree. The main reason is that the Angels haven’t been able to keep pitchers healthy all these years. Pujols’ contract did not stop them from spending a lot of money. They spent a lot of money on many FAs that were much worse than Pujols. Josh Hamilton comes to mind. So does CJ Wilson. Pujols is still at least providing some value, even if it is nowhere close to his prime years.
The Human Rain Delay
Some as in negative yes by the numbers – If he wasnt Albert Pujols he would have been cut years ago….. salary in full
Get Off My Mound
@hiflew sorry but no way CJ Wilson was worse than Pujols in an Angels uniform.
rez2405 2
The mere fact that someone mentions CJ wilson in this category is truly asinine to me.
Anyways, Pujols isnt the worst.. at least the Angels got SOMETHING back as opposed to nothing..
That nothing was in the form of Josh Hamilton. Thee worst ever
hiflew
I wasn’t saying CJ Wilson was worse or even bad. Scratch that, I guess I did say that, but it’s not what I meant. I meant to say that the Pujols contract did not prohibit the Angels from spending n big time free agents like Hamilton and Wilson. I guess the fact that Hamilton was so horrible just made me type something I didn’t intend to.
JustCheckingIn
Their inability to hit on ANY free agents and their horrible luck with pitching health are much bigger reasons. Arte has never said nor has it seemed true… “well we’re paying Pujols so Player C won’t happen”
The Human Rain Delay
30 mill is 30 mill of cource its been a factor, nobody needs to say it out loud-
I dont think theirs been enough talent behind the arms for health to matter tbh…. and then the money comes back to make sure there is no depth. completing the circle of life for Anaheim ……
Bleedsblue81
Yea but 29M would allow them to get some better arms so more like, We’re paying puljols cant afford player c , d, and e
sweetandmauer_sauce
aren’t the Mets still paying Bonilla?
Fortarnold
Every July 1st (Bobby Bonilla Day) through 2036.
Krombopulous Matthew
Carl Crawford?!?!?!
Edit: I know we’re probably looking for like nine plus years for “worst contract ever” but man, Carl Crawford provided like zero value in those seven years, which at the time was also the most money ever given to an OF. Josh Hamilton comes to mind as well but off field issues play into that a good bit. Crawford was just straight trash after he left us.
dragongrave
Realmuto in Posey territory? lol. Too funny. Guy is above average AT BEST. Decent bat but nothing spectacular. Decent behind the plate but nothing spectacular. Please $20M a year on a long term deal the Phillies will REGRET it for years to come.
dynamite drop in monty
Shut up
johnrealtime
I’d be comfortable with about 4 years 85 million if I were an executive signing him. Or 5 years 90 million, that’s about it
shibbynotdude
Only way he catches Posey in total WAR is if Buster puts up negative numbers the rest of his career.
everlastingdave
This is extremely incorrect.
DarkSide830
the way he plays he’d be worth 5/100 easy. the value he provides is entirely unquantifiable. best catcher in baseball on both sides of the ball, carries the pitching staff, might even be our leadoff hitter. and id believe he’d even be worth 20 five years from now. the guy is not only baseball’s best athletic catcher by far, but one of its best overall players. if catchers ever got their due he’d have been an MVP finalist last year.
8
Yeah but realmuto is good now so smart thing 2 do is extend him and go big oooooopsie 2 years from now.
thorshair
I agree Realmuto is overrated he’s the best catcher in baseball yes but I think that says more about the lack of stars at the position than it does about the player
JoeBrady
Guy is above average AT BEST.
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But he is also the best catcher in the game. Do you see kind of a paradox there? If you’re the best there is, does it matter if you are only average?
hiflew
Sure it matter when it comes to his salary. I mean if you are paying him for a 7.0 WAR potential and he only shown 4.5 WAR potential, that’s a problem regardless of position. He might have been the best catcher by WAR, but he wasn’t head and shoulders above the rest. Grandal was right there with him. It’s more of an indictment of the rest of the catching position in general than it is a praise of Realmuto.
JoeBrady
But you pay people based on relative value. If you are buying a 7 WAR outfielder, and there are other 6 WAR outfielders out there, then you have options.
In the catching world, there is Realmuto, then Grandal, then nothing.
okiguess
The Phillies will not extend JT. They played him in a career high 145 games last year. He’s now pushing 30 years old. The decline will be swift. No knock on JT, that’s the reality of catching.
JustCheckingIn
….you do realize your justification for him declining is the exact reason teams will feel he’s less likely to decline early 30s compared to most guys who catch since they were 18, and have 130+ games a year starting at 21 when drafted……
okiguess
$180 million for 8 years is insane. You might get 3 above average seasons as a best case.
Jeff Zanghi
I personally don’t really get the general obsession with Realmuto as being some superstar catcher. Don’t get me wrong he’s a very good player and deserves a solid contract extension. But it shouldn’t even come close to topping the contracts it’s being compared to. for one thing he’s already 29 and Catchers (other than Molina) really don’t hold up well into their mid/late 30s. Secondly his offense isn’t really that amazing — in fact Christian Vasquez arguably had an almost as good season for Boston last year and he’s making less than $10M — and his defense is also pretty solid. So to say that Realmuto should get $25M+ a year for 6, 7 or even 8 years seems absurd to me. Who knows maybe the Phillies or someone else will wind up overpaying/offering to and he will ‘break the bank’ but personally I just don’t really think that it would work out well for the team in the long run.
DarkSide830
you’ve clearly never seen JT play. he’s a bona fide superstar, which can probably only be said about two other catchers in recent years. (the aforementioned Mauer and Posey) however, even he is much more athletic then these two, and likely has much more left in him as a catcher. the guy has anyone else in baseball beat by 20% on CS% and has one of the best offensive profiles of any catcher. (probably only to be rivaled in recent years by the aforememtioned duo) believe me, id you think he is just “very good” you evidently havent been paying enough attention.
Senioreditor
I think Molina and Grandal have put up pretty similar OPS+ numbers lately.
DarrenDreifortsContract
That Mauer contract is easily one of the worse contracts of all time. They paid him like he was Mike Piazza after only 1 Piazza type of season. They should have waited to see if he could produce another season like that before giving him that type of money. Even if they were worried about him hitting free agency. He wasn’t going to get much more than what they ended up giving him anyways.
Senioreditor
The Mauer contract was bad because it hamstrung Minnesota for the next decade. They should have traded him to NY when the Yankees offered 3 top notch prospects for him.
agentx
Throwing stones at Mauer’s contract with a username like that?
As for what sounds to me like a pure homer take on Piazza vs. Mauer, the latter had already won three batting titles and far outclassed Piazza on defense by the time MIN had opened negotiations.
andrewgauldin
I’ve never heard the word Gestating.
DakotaExpert
Should have gotten him out from behind the plate before the ink was dry. They needed a 3ed baseman at the time.
3768902
Beyond the pressure the Twins felt to lock up a hometown hero, this extension was signed right after the state granted funding for Target Field – something the Twins explicitly said would help generate the revenue needed to boost payroll. It really was a perfect PR storm.
Jgwi2az
“It should be noted that the Twins’ extension with Mauer was met with near-unanimous praise from both their own fans and the baseball world in general, with many comparing Mauer to the likes of Tony Gwynn, George Brett, Robin Yount or Cal Ripken Jr. as a one-team star who would define a franchise for a generation”
Fixed.
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Freyan1982
For those saying it was a terrible contract, keep in mind that the Twins were also opening a new stadium right when Mauer came up for free agency. So it was also a move by ownership to sell tickets. He was the face of the franchise and to let him walk before a new stadium open would have been a disaster. Local product mega star = sells tickets.
DarkSide830
to be fair, Mauer’s contract wasn’t even as bad as most “bad” contracts go.
hiflew
Realmuto is good, but I’d put him more in the peak Jonathan Lucroy or Matt Wieters territory than in the Posey/Mauer territory. He could be one of the game’s best catchers for a couple of years, but I don’t think he is on the cusp of HOF territory and that is where I would put both Mauer and Posey.. Just because he is the best in the game right this second, does not make him an all time great. JT has never even had a 5.0 WAR season. Mauer and Posey each had 4 of them when they signed extensions.
notagain27
Can anyone foresee a injury? What would Mauer have done as a player if not for the concussions? Before the injury he was a Man playing with Boys. At the time I don’t remember a single negative comment about his contract, and now this comment board really shows the ineptness of most who choose to sound off after the fact.
nick effing punto
Great comment. At the time of the deal he was a top 5 player at the most unforgiving position in sports. He hit 28 dingers while leading the league in OBP while playing catcher. Had he stayed healthy, we would be talking about a possible first ballot HOF’er. But alas, we do will never know what could have been as concussions and bilateral leg weakness took his legs and left him merely above average.
He did, if I recall, have another super good year like 2 years after the whole bilateral leg weakness thing. But I remember another concussion coming and then no power 1st base. The best Twin of all time just happens to be the most hated. Yet a guy like Kirby Puckett is forever beloved even with his off field stuff. Only in MN.
at12tone
People hate Rod Carew?
dynamite drop in monty
No one hates Tom Brunansky, dude. That’s silly.
Get Off My Mound
Mauer is a hall of fame player. Had concussions not ruined his career as a catcher, I feel like that would be a no brainer almost. Mauer was considered one of the best players period at his peak. He won an MVP as a catcher, which, im sorry, is easy for a catcher to win.
Ejemp2006
Mauer is a great reason why teams move catching prospects with a good bat. Donaldson should call up Mauer and thank him for helping set the precedent.
JoeBrady
IMO, some of the Mauer complaints are really far afield. He is one of better long-term FA signings. He had b22.2 WAR. Pujols has 14.2 with the LAA. with a 0.9 TOTAL WAR over the past 4 years. Miggy is worse than Pujols with a 4.8 cum WAR over 4 years, and with 4 years left, has the possibility of producing a net negative WAR over 8 years and $240M. Davis will almost certainly be a negative WAR player for his $161M Zito with a 2.4 cum WAR for $119M. VMart was another negative WAR player for his last $68M contract. Vernon Wells, Mo Vaughn, Fielder, and a gazillion others are far worse than Mauer.
Some of y’all have bad memories.
brucenewton
Mauer and Posey should be a cautionary tale for the Phillies. They were younger and better at the time and the drop off was swift. Catchers wear down from the demands of the position. Even the greatest catchers in history (non-ped) suffered the same. Bench, Carter, etc.
Don’t do it Phillies.
martras
The writer of this article should have spent a bit more time on Mauer’s decline. It wasn’t some inevitable decline and it wasn’t generated by “knee problems.” Mauer suffered a very nasty concussion from a foul tip off his mask.
The fact the concussion came after switching to the lightweight titanium mask which seems to have spurred on an absolute outbreak of concussions is suggestive that the inevitability of his injury is pretty overstated.
In regard to J.T. Realmuto, he’s a far cry from Joe Mauer. Realmuto is very good while Mauer was on a path to a no questions first ballot Hall of Fame career before the concussion. It’s unfortunate that Mauer is a borderline HoF candidate at this point as a result of the concussion and the Twins decision to move him to 1B where he would have needed to hit at a truly elite level to continue his HoF bid.
findingnimmo
As a mets fan, Bobby b, Jason bay, Oliver Perez, krod, some might put Ces in this conversation although he at least earned the contract, these come to mind quickly for me. Even now with lowrie. But throughout the game, I think Carl Pavano is a good one, Hamilton, Howard, zito, samardszja (spelling is atrocious I know), jacoby, Hayward, melancon, these are all pretty bad. Mauer was similar to David Wright in that there was more to the signing than just on field aspects. Sometimes players are worth more than on field stuff.
Draftpick1
Realmuto is no Posey! Posey has had 5 seasons of 4.9 war or higher and one 7.3 and Realmuto has none of 4.5. So even Realmutos best season does not get close to top season of Posey. Posey has a batting title and MVP as well. Realmuto none. That is a big disparity.
Mauer has 5 seasons of over 5 war high of 7.8 & 3 batting titles and a MVP, again a big disparity when Realmuto has not topped 4.5 war and zero batting tiles. Yes he is a very good player but is not is the same class is Posey and Mauer.