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MLBTR Poll: Bauer vs. Ray vs. Stroman

By Anthony Franco | March 15, 2020 at 8:09am CDT

Baseball’s hiatus gives us an opportunity to examine both the past and future of the sport. Yesterday, MLBTR’s Mark Polishuk looked back at a potential franchise-altering trade that never materialized. Today, we’ll turn our attention to the future: specifically, the upcoming free agent class.

MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes ran his initial 2020-21 free agent power rankings a few weeks ago. No question, Mookie Betts looks like the jewel of a position player heavy class. Yet the pitching side looks a bit muddled. Trevor Bauer, Robbie Ray and Marcus Stroman checked in alongside one another (in that order) as the three arms in Tim’s top ten. Obviously, there’s time for one to emerge as the unquestioned top starter on the market in 2020. As of now, though, which hurler do the MLBTR readers anticipate getting the top guarantee next winter, and which one would you prefer your favorite team roll the dice on?

  • Trevor Bauer, Cincinnati: For most of his career, the 29-year-old Bauer’s been a durable, mid-rotation type. He’s soaked up tons of innings, but in five of six seasons, he’s put up an ERA between 4.18 and 4.55 (with marginally better FIP’s). At his best, though, Bauer flashed a ceiling most pitchers can only dream of. In 2018, the former #3 overall pick worked to a 2.21 ERA with an elite 30.8% strikeout rate. An unsustainably low HR/FB rate meant that ERA always figured to regress somewhat, but it was still surprising to see Bauer post a league-average 4.48 mark in 2019. Bauer, of course, has expressed a desire to sign a series of one-year deals as a free agent. If he sticks to that plan, he’ll almost certainly not garner the top overall guarantee for a pitcher this offseason (or any other). But that high-risk approach is easier to espouse in theory than in practice, and Bauer recently walked back that plan a little bit. His free agency will be fascinating to follow.
  • Robbie Ray, Arizona: A bit like Bauer, the 28-year-old Ray is a tantalizing but somewhat frustrating talent. Since the start of 2017, he ranks fifth among starters (minimum 300 innings) in strikeout rate and 12th in swinging strike rate. He’s surrounded by the game’s aces on both leaderboards. Only Tyler Chatwood and Francisco Liriano have higher walk rates than Ray in that same period, though. The southpaw has never had a season with a better than average walk rate; that general inefficiency has run up some high pitch counts and helped prevent Ray from ever eclipsing 175 innings in a season. His ERA’s the past four years have varied quite a bit (4.90, 2.89, 3.93, 4.34). Teams could have different evaluations for Ray’s future, but the most likely outcome seems to be solid mid-rotation production via something of an extreme approach.
  • Marcus Stroman, Mets: Unlike his top two competitors, Stroman doesn’t generate many whiffs. The 28-year-old’s sinker is more conducive to a ground-ball heavy game. He throws strikes and has managed to avoid home runs even in the juiced ball era thanks to strong contact management. Stroman’s sinker/slider/cutter mix isn’t the four-seam/curveball combination coveted by most teams nowadays. Nevertheless, he’ll have plenty of suitors since he’s proven capable of ample success. 2018 was an injury-marred struggle, but Stroman’s put up at least 184.1 innings in three of the past four seasons and boasts a career ERA of 3.76. That’s a better track record of run prevention than either Bauer (4.04) or Ray (4.11) can boast.
  • Others: Other free agents to be (complete list of 2020-21 free agents) include Kevin Gausman, James Paxton, Alex Wood and Taijuan Walker. Between age, injuries and/or recent underperformance, it’s tough to project any of them to beat Bauer, Ray or Stroman this winter. Perhaps you’re more optimistic about someone a bit under-the-radar?

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  1. thorshair

    5 years ago

    Stroman is the better pitcher of the 3

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    • astick

      5 years ago

      Wrong.

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      • All American Johnsonville Dogs

        5 years ago

        Bauer is the best pitcher but he’s such a wild card with his behavior that stroman is the safer bet.

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        • Jup

          5 years ago

          Bauer has the most weapons as a pitcher there is no doubt. Better pitcher as far as results is debatable.

          But all the noise about Bauer and his behavior is garbage. If you listen to the pitchers themselves, he is a huge resource that they believe in and turn to in order to high grade their on-field performance.

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        • oldmansteve

          5 years ago

          I honestly think Robbie Ray has the highest ceiling of all of them, but he may never reach it. Stroman has already reached his, and Bauer reaches his sometimes only to suck for a month then reach it again.

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      • fieldsj2

        5 years ago

        Bauer is, and it’s not close! Stroman and Ray are close, but I think Stroman is already at his ceiling. Ray is only going to get better. In todays game, you have 175lb second baseman hitting 400ft opposite field HR’s
        I’ll take the strikeout guy over the pitch to contact guy everytime.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      5 years ago

      Stroman’s numbers are only going to improve in the pitcher’s paradise known as Citi Field.

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      • Brixton

        5 years ago

        Except the Mets defense is bottom 5 in the league.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          5 years ago

          That’s a good point although I expect that defense will improve this year if there is a season.

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      • brucenewton

        5 years ago

        At his best, he had Tulo and Donaldson behind him on the left side. Pillar in center. Citi field offers pitchers a nice stat boost, but their defense will hurt a pitch-to-contact guy like Stroman.

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    • lowtalker1

      5 years ago

      He is the worst of the bunch

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  2. eli_b_wcl

    5 years ago

    I have to say, these special features MLBTR does really help pass the time. Please keep up the good work with features such as this, offseason review, camp battles, etc.

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  3. walls17

    5 years ago

    If Bauer really only goes year to year then he won’t get the biggest guarantee, which is what the poll is asking.

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    • Indiansjoe

      5 years ago

      That’s the reason I voted Stroman. I think Bauer would if he tried.

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      • nymetsking

        5 years ago

        Agree. How Bauer is getting votes, let along leading that poll is beyond me.

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    • oldmansteve

      5 years ago

      Agree, most of the people just clicked on their favorite guy, not actually reading the question

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  4. Sky14

    5 years ago

    Well since Bauer is going year to year, he seems like the least likely to get the largest guarantee.

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    • Anthony Franco

      5 years ago

      Addressed this a bit in the post, but it doesn’t seem a guarantee he’ll actually go year-to-year. I’m hoping he does since it’d be fascinating to follow, but Bauer himself recently acknowledged it’s easier to promote that approach in theory than to turn down actual long-term offers once they’re in front of you.

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      • Sky14

        5 years ago

        Didn’t realize he backed off a bit. It always seemed like a risky proposition, particularly for a pitcher.

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        • oldmansteve

          5 years ago

          If a team offers him an AAV within 85% of what he would have got for a 1 year deal, he would probably take it.

          He could always sign long term deals with player options after each season. But what team in their right mind would give that power to a slightly above average pitcher?

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  5. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    if anyone thinks Bauer is a good investment they are fooling themselves. he’ll surely get paid like 2018 Bauer and play like 2017 Bauer.

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    • Sky14

      5 years ago

      Agree. Bauer since college has always been viewed as a frontline starter, he has the stuff but not the results. But baseball execs love to pay for what could be rather than what is.

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      • oldmansteve

        5 years ago

        What the Execs see is “If I slightly over pay for the performance, it will be a serious underpay if the elite stuff finally figures itself out.” Cant blame them really. Hard to find Bauers stuff, and every organization has at least one pitching coach that believes they can solve any pitcher.

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  6. 30 Parks

    5 years ago

    Stroman is overrated. Neither he, nor Bauer, are players I’d bring into my locker room.

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    • its_happening

      5 years ago

      After Stroman’s antics in Toronto, I agree.

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    • findingnimmo

      5 years ago

      Does that mean you think stroman is an issue off the field? It seemed like he was enjoying his time in New York the last half of the season.

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      • 30 Parks

        5 years ago

        Marcus Stroman loves Marcus Stroman. The guy created an entire dialogue in Toronto about being ‘disrespected’ by the Jays, a ‘me against the world,’ ego driven scenario with no basis in reality. The locker room tantrum he threw when he found out he was traded to the Mets, not the Yankees, was telling. On a good team, Marcus Stroman is a fourth starter and the Jays are better without having this guy around their young talent. Bauer & Stroman are both obnoxious, me-first players I would avoid much like teams are currently hesitant to sign Yasiel Puig.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          When things are going good, Stroman is fine. When he faces adversity, reall pressure or disappointment he is a selfish, me-first bonehead throwing temper tantrums. He wants to be a leader and he’s far from one. Needs to be led by others.

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        • ChazB322

          5 years ago

          Bauer is certainly opinionated, but hardly a “me-first” player. He has a reputation of helping fellow pitchers with their mechanics, and has done nothing but publicly encourage guys he plays with. He also has a side business that promotes the usage of social media for other players to get their name out there.

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        • 30 Parks

          5 years ago

          Bauer is the definition of passive aggressive. Purposefully tipping his pitches in a spring game? Come on. Throwing the ball over the CF fence & showing up Tito? Boasting he wants to pitch every four days? A childish “twitter battle” with a young Astros fan? Suggesting Cole uses a foreign substance? Bauer is a passive aggressive a**hole. We all know someone like Bauer, the guy that knows he doesn’t fit in so he makes a sport-of-it-all. Obnoxious.

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        • Jup

          5 years ago

          Wow, just wow

          Now there is a balanced comment

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        • hiflew

          5 years ago

          How is wanting to pitch every four days a bad thing? I wish all starting pitchers were like that. The guy can definitely be a pain in the behind, of that there is no doubt, but this is one thing that I am okay with. I miss the days of starting pitchers arguing, even yelling, to stay in the game and pitch instead of just sheepishly handing the ball off in the 5th inning of a 2-2 game.

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        • 30 Parks

          5 years ago

          … Mr. Cronkite demands “balance.”

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        • MetsFan22

          5 years ago

          He didn’t get mad he was going to the Mets. That’s a narrative yankee fans probably made up. Or the media who loves to clown the Mets for no reason. He was mad at the way things ended in Toronto when he got traded. He was the happiest he has ever been as a Mets. His teammates love him and he loves his teammates. He has no problems as met and we don’t have problems with him. So maybe? Just maybe? It was the Bluejays and not him???

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          He was initially upset he was traded to the Mets over the Yankees. That was not reported by any Yankee fan. That was all over Toronto media within minutes after the trade was announced.

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        • infractor

          5 years ago

          I mean, he put up excellent postseason numbers but yeah, he’s no good under pressure.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          A 4.40 ERA in the postseason is excellent?

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        • MetsFan22

          5 years ago

          No that is not true. He was mad about something when he was traded. And that was bc he didn’t like the way things ended with the Bluejays. He has said it many times. The reports that said he wasn’t happy going to the Mets were just stupid assumptions.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          I lied. Several reports outside of Toronto reported that Marcus Stroman was initially unhappy that he was not traded to a contender. You can confirm by doing a simple search. Local and National media reported this. Stroman only deserves the best coddling so tell your fellow Met fans to step up.

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        • MetsFan22

          5 years ago

          It was never confirmed, media was just running with that story. They got it wrong. It happens a lot with those idiots.

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  7. R.D.

    5 years ago

    I think Ray has by far the highest chance to breakout due to his durability and powerful arm. If I’m a team with a coaching staff good at teaching control I’m investing in him. Otherwise definitely bauer. Safest bet.

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    • oldmansteve

      5 years ago

      I don’t know of many 29 year olds that stopped walking guys. He might just be what he is.

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  8. dynamite drop in monty

    5 years ago

    Do….RAY…. Egon!

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  9. eephus11

    5 years ago

    In this day of attention getting Bauer’s antics and odd takes may well be considered a reason to sign him as opposed to a distraction. Teams love any media coverage they can get, especially if it isn’t necessarily damaging.

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  10. HalosHeavenJJ

    5 years ago

    I like the pitch to contact guy. They can get through innings quickly and I feel they are under valued in the modern game. So I pick Stroman as best investment.

    But GM’s live upside and K’s so on of the other 2 will get the largest guarantee. I’m leaning Bauer because of his one stellar season.

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    • oldmansteve

      5 years ago

      Weak contact pitchers are only as good as their luck and defense. High K guys can mask fielding inconsistencies, letting offenses focus more on hitters.

      In theory, a roster of high K pitchers and home run hitters would be better than a roster of weak contact pitchers and speedy defender, but the former is really hard to do.

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  11. brucenewton

    5 years ago

    Stroman is all about Stroman. He has small man syndrome. Jays couldn’t wait to get him out of the clubhouse.

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  12. jd396

    5 years ago

    I don’t know who’s the best, but Trevor Bauer would generate the most headlines.

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  13. CATS44

    5 years ago

    Bauer is interesting, to say the least.

    His main value lies in the fact that he is as close to a guaranteed 200 IP that answers the bell every fifth game as there is available. That carries a lot of weight.

    But he is also is not a dependable quality start guy. Those 200 IP and 30+ starts comes with a lot of ups and downs. He is Forrest Gummps box of chocolates.

    In addition,he is a constant side show. His post game press conferences are must sees, but not usually for good reasons. He has benefitted from playing in Cleveland, where the press and fans are generally friendly and forgiving. Cleveland also has a very good organizational culture that tends to protect its players.

    Big market teams, esp on the East Coast…let’s just say that those markets can become shark infested waters for the kind of personality that Bauer has, and his kind of erratic production.

    Many team managements shy away from that kind of situation. He has also burnt a lot of bridges. I have doubts as to how much interest there will be from teams in NY, Boston, Philly, Cleveland, Arizona. Houston, Cincinnati, and the non contenders.

    Limited overall markets tend to drive down prices.

    He may not be a Puig, but as a divisive figure in his own right, Puigs situation should be a caution to those expecting Bauer to reap a huge contract for one year or otherwise.

    Puig is a generally slightly above average player, who has put up one tantalizingly elite season, whose day to day play is inconsistent. And you never know what will happen next. Bauer fits that description perfectly.

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    • Jup

      5 years ago

      If it isn’t old Cats44.

      Hope you are well

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  14. Marius

    5 years ago

    Stroman is by far the most consistent

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  15. Ducey

    5 years ago

    Love the Stroman trade from the Jay’s perspective. Woods-Richardson is now the Jay’s 3rd best prospect and Kay is #10.

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    • Jbigz12

      5 years ago

      To be determined how the deal shakes out. You could go back to the deal last year and see most people who thought Kay was the real prize…. that was never the case. SWR was always the prize of the deal. He’ll be the deciding factor. Kay is a #4 at best.

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      • Nego

        5 years ago

        I always thought SWR was the prize, he was scouted heavily during the draft by the Jays and was the target that got the deal done. No trade without him included

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      • its_happening

        5 years ago

        SWR was always the prize. Nobody except for a few Toronto fans cared for Kay.

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    • MetsFan22

      5 years ago

      Kay is not going to be good…. and Simon is far away. I like the Mets version. Stroman is helping them compete for a title and replacing wheeler and the Mets save 100+ mil dollars

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      • infractor

        5 years ago

        Everyone is right. And wrong. Kinda. It seems (obviously TBC based on SWR and Kay’s performance) like the making of a win-win deal. Those are always nice to see and could build a nice relationship between the teams which don’t often deal.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          Kay is so highly thought-of the Jays went out and acquired multiple starting pitchers this offseason. Why? Because Kay isn’t ready for the big leagues at 25 years old and might just be a reliever when it’s all said and done. If he were SP material he’d have a clear path to the 2020 starting rotation.

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  16. 8

    5 years ago

    Paxton

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    • oldmansteve

      5 years ago

      Dynamite Drop in

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      • 8

        5 years ago

        You guys are hiiq

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  17. DTD_ATL

    5 years ago

    Bauer is the best option. His stuff is much better and he’s supposedly only signing 1 yr at a time so there won’t be any long term ramifications if there is injury, ineffectiveness, or he just doesn’t fit well with the team.

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  18. Phanatic 2022

    5 years ago

    James Paxton by a landslide.

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  19. DeadPoetic

    5 years ago

    With what Trevor is doing with the awesome sandlot games and the way he is distributing the money to effected hourly workers, and his ideas to improve the game I am really starting to like him as a person and hope he gets the single biggest payoff of those listed. As a Reds fan I really hope that his actual on field performance matches that of his actions this offseason. However I still worry he was less CC Sabathia and more Justin Masterson. I really hope that I am wrong. Marcus Strowman should get the best contract due to having a better overall track record and handling a big market like New York. Robbie Ray should be the best overall value though in my eyes. I really hope I am wrong. I still hate The Reds for getting rid of Yasiel Puig. He is literally my favorite player warts and all.

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  20. dematteo1982

    5 years ago

    Not the greatest class for SP…but one of these arms can certainly help a contending team improve. This is how i see it going next offseason…..
    Bauer- either stays in Cincy or signs with the Angels. 5yr/$102.5mil

    Stroman- One of the NY teams will land him. I say Mets resign. 4yr/$74mil
    (5th yr club option at $17.5mil

    Ray- if DBacks struggle..will be traded to Yanks at the deadline. I see either San Diego or Angels (who should be in on every good SP arm) signing him
    4yr/$66mil

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    • Jup

      5 years ago

      Bauer isn’t signing no 5 year deal with the Angels.

      For two reasons
      1st – Mickey Calloway – big time bad blood there.
      2nd – 5 years

      No chance Bauer will sign for 5 years and would play in Japan before he would play with Calloway as his pitching coach.

      Free agency – remember it is his choice.

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  21. pinballwizard1969

    5 years ago

    At this point of all those listed potential FA’s I’d re-sign either Masahiro Tanaka OR James Paxton in that order on a 3 yr deal at most. Then Robby Ray as my 3rd option.

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  22. stansfield123

    5 years ago

    Ray. Teams like strikeouts. Bauer strikes people out too, and he’s probably a little better overall, but he already said he’s only signing one year at a time, so I’m not sure why anyone’s voting for him.

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  23. smrtbusnisman04a

    5 years ago

    If I were a GM, I would go after Stroman. Bauer with his personality, is very high risk- high reward

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  24. infractor

    5 years ago

    Stroman is the more consistent, safest bet whose stuff is not as subject to dropping off.

    Bauer and Ray have lots of potential but they’re not prospects anymore and I’d take consistent, proven results.

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  25. OilCanLloyd

    5 years ago

    Bauer is better pitcher for AL. I like Stroman in NL. He’s better athlete to field and move a runner. What team wouldn’t like Ray.

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  26. CATS44

    5 years ago

    Jup is correct. Add the Angels to the list of teams that arent a good match for Bauer.

    While free agency technically makes it Bauers choice, first there have to be interested teams. There obviously will be interested teams. The question is how many.

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  27. fieldsj2

    5 years ago

    If Bauer goes year to year my pick is Ray. Stroman has already plateaued, and I think Ray’s best is still to come. If Bauer doest go year to year, I’m going with Bauer all day long!

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  28. StL Busker

    5 years ago

    Of those three names, Strhoman, Ray, Bauer, results will determine team appeal, which will translate into years & salary. What I find interesting is that list of fringe pitchers, with that list to numerous for this posting, just keep in mind, this virus that is going around, the free agent market for pitchers has effectively shut baseball activities down in every aspect of the game.

    Reply
  29. homerheins

    5 years ago

    I just want this seasons to start so the Dbacks can get optimal trade value for Robbie Ray.

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