Already bedeviled by injuries early this spring, the last thing the Yankees need is more unwelcome news on that front. However, in yet another less-than-ideal development, right fielder Aaron Judge will likely be down for at least another week, Kristie Ackert of the New York Daily News reports. Judge is “doing well” in his recovery from a sore right shoulder, per manager Aaron Boone, but he hasn’t progressed beyond hitting in the cage. Boone added that there’s “plenty of time” for Judge to ramp up before the season starts, but it’s still a situation worth monitoring for a Yankees club that’s also down two other starting outfielders in Aaron Hicks and Giancarlo Stanton.
- Speaking of Stanton, Joel Sherman of the New York Post looks back on a 2017-18 offseason that saw the Yankees acquire him and strike out in their pursuit of two-way star Shohei Ohtani. Three days after Ohtani went to the Angels, the Yankees landed the high-priced Stanton – then the reigning NL MVP – in a trade with the Marlins. Stanton would not have been a Yankee had they gotten Ohtani because there wouldn’t have been room for the two of them at DH, Sherman observes. While Stanton had a very productive first year as a Yankee and Ohtani has barely pitched because of injuries, his tenure in New York hasn’t gone well since then. Stanton was just about nonexistent last season because of his own health woes and is now battling a calf injury that could shelve him for Opening Day. Moreover, the Yankees are still on the hook for eight more seasons and $244MM of the 30-year-old Stanton (Ohtani makes a relative pittance, on the other hand), so Sherman argues that the team’s “going to have to continue to build rosters that assume his regular absence and do it with a payroll elevated by his contract.”
- Like Stanton, ace right-hander Luis Severino has seldom been available of late. Severino missed nearly all of last season as a result of injuries to his shoulder and lat, and he’ll sit out the entire 2020 campaign after undergoing Tommy John surgery this week. The Yankees, expecting Severino to remain the force he was from 2017-18, signed him to a four-year, $40MM extension before 2019. They’ve gotten pretty much nothing from that contract so far, though Bradford William Davis of the Daily News opines that there shouldn’t be any regret on the Yankees’ part for giving Severino the deal. Indeed, he was one of the best pitchers in the game at the time, then coming off two straight seasons of 190-plus innings, so durability wasn’t a question at that point. And as someone who won’t turn 27 until next February, there’s still time for Severino to make good on his reasonably priced pact.
- If the injury troubles that have limited Judge and Stanton since last season continue, it could open up playing time for outfielder Clint Frazier. Formerly a touted prospect, the 25-year-old racked up a career-high 245 major league plate appearances and hit .267/.317/.489 with 12 home runs last season, but he spent mid-June through the start of September in the minors to work on his defense. Although Frazier has long been a rumored trade candidate, he remains with the club, and he’s now vying for an everyday spot in its lineup, as Spencer Fordin of MLB.com writes. As Fordin details, Frazier has made a mechanical change at the plate – an approach he credits ex-teammate Matt Holliday for – and is hoping it helps him break through as a full-time major leaguer. “A lot of times, people have talked about my bat speed, but I never really felt like it was always there,” Frazier said. “I felt like I was trying to shoot a gun with it on safety. There were things stopping it along the way and I didn’t feel like I wanted it to. I feel like this move is giving me my best chance.”
Tazbk
I don’t care how but I want Frazier getting 500 ABs this year.
24TheKid
So you want injuries?
uvmfiji
I’m a yankees fan and i dont mind injuries. Will still win 100 games. Would like to see the kids play.
robluca21
Lol…so you rather andujar at 3rd over urshela? I mean andujar is younger.
While we’re at it let’s give Estrada some ABC’s over DJ ..Estrada is 5 years younger !!!
lamars
Please! Before the injuries the odds of the Yankees winning 100 games or more again was slim to none. And the main reason is because both the Rays and Jays have improved and second it’s hard time win back time back 100 games unless your lucky enough to play in a division like the Dodgers.
Mick1956
Lamar – Every MLB player-analysts, pundit and experienced baseball guest believed the Yankees would win 100 games since they improved much more than the Rays and Jays by getting their Ace in G. Cole.
Will they win 100 now? Who knows, but nobody pegged them to win over 100 last year or do as well as they did in their “rebuilding” phase of 2017. I think you’re pretty alone when it comes to objectively evaluating how well the Yankees would’ve finished prior to the injuries.
Ejemp2006
Rays equal overestimated. Jays equal underdemeciated.
Jays plus Rays equals Yankees 107 wins.
That is, unless the corona doesn’t wipe out the season.
royhobbs
The yankees have already won 100 games back to back.
johnnydubz
Well Estrada should be a one year wonder but perhaps Yankees giving him “tips” on what pitch is coming was the difference. Beltran started that system with them when he was on their roster.
kc38
Couple things here, one Andujar should absolutely start over urshella lol. If you think urshella is gonna repeat what he did you’re insane. And two the rays are not overestimated they’re actually under. The Rays will win every bit of 95 games
nyy42
Lol…
gretencorda
“I’m a Yankees and I don’t mind injuries” – that might be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read.
fox471 Dave
???
SportsFan0000
Yankees rotation, with the exception of Cole is a black hole that could see team
wins regression…
90-95 wins is the upside.
southbeachbully
@LamarSmith
You’re soooooo right. It is…oh wait…WAS hard for the Yanks to win 100 games in 2018 and 2019. Especially with all those injuries they had last year……when they won 100+ games for the 2nd year in a row.
The Rays will certainly be in the mix in 2020 but how have they REALLY made huge advancements when they added Pagán (1.5 WAR), Tsutsugo (????), José Martínez (.0.3 WAR), Shogo Akiyama (????) and Renfroe (1.9 WAR). That’s a combined 3.7 WAR plus we have no idea what the Asian players might do,. They also lost 3.3 WAR in Pham. A fulls season of Snell, Yarborough and Glasnow should be great. Yanks are 6-3 vs Snell,1-0 vs Glasnow and 2-3 vs Yarborough. That’s 9-6. Yanks got Cole who was a 7 WAR pitcher. Health is the question. How long will the injured players be out and can their replacements step up, But I certainly don’t see how you can pencil them in to bridge the 7 game gap in wins from 2019.
What major acquisition have the Jays done other than sign Ryu to bridge the 36 win gap between them and the Yanks?
Yanks have proven they can turn a 4 era pitcher into a 18 game winner. Their offense is going to win them games their starters couldn’t.
Anything can happen but it sounds like you guys are pessimistic against the Yanks and wildly optimistic…..even reaching a bit on the Rays and especially for the Jays.
rrddbb44
I’ll take that bet for as much as you’re willing to lay.
racosun
He said yes already, geez…
robluca21
You’re ok with him getting those at bats while being a butcher in the outfield ?
I rather ha e mike tauchman and his elite defense and high on base skills in the line up..but I guess that’s not as sexy as a former top 5 pick & former top prospect
Who needs on field production !!!
southbeachbully
@robluca21
Just like a hitter can improve offensively they can also improve defensively. ST just started. How about we see how everyone performs before we write them off? Also, whose to say Tauchman can repeat his 2019 numbers?
Mick1956
This is true and should be common sense for an objective person ^^
earmbrister
A player CAN improve offensively and they CAN improve defensively. However, it’s easier said than done.
After some 20 years of playing ball, a lot of their skills are set in stone.
Phanatic 2022
Who was the top 5 pick? Jeter was yankees highest pick in last 30 plus years and i think he was 6
Begamin
Clint Frazier was drafted 5th overall bu the Indians.
ctyank7
He will get his 500 at bats after he’s traded to another organization. A deal Yankee fans will always compare to that of Jay Buchner.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Some things will have gone awfully wrong for the Yankees if Frazier gets 500 ABs wearing pinstripes. I’d rather choose to win the division.
mlbnyyfan
Frazier will get 500 ABs with a different team.
mlbnyyfan
Yankees should of traded for Yelich instead of Stanton. One of the worst moves of the Cashman era.
robluca21
Hindsight is always 20/20
You can’t sit there and say back in the winter of 2017 yelich was the better player than Stanton. Stanton was coming off an mvp 58 homer season.
greglowcws
so the yanks wouldve had Yelich and. no Torres, bc they wanted Gleyber for him,. and obviously that wasnt happening..
Vladguerrerojr20
Yelich won mvp in 2018 and would have won it again in 2019 if not for the broken hand in September. He still has 3 BARGAIN years of control remaining and easily could have been what the Bronx bitchs needed to get to the World Series in 2018-2022. You saying you wouldn’t have given up Torres as a prospect for Yelich is absolutely retar**d. Torres will never put up the numbers Yelich is right now. He has been worth 14.7 WAR and an OPS+171 since 2018 and that’s with time on the IL.
southbeachbully
@Vladguerrerojr20
Right because the reason why the Yanks haven’t won yet is because their offense was lacking. Oh wait….the Yanks have been the 2nd best offensive team over the last two years behind only the cheating Astros by a difference of .03.
Oh and Yelich has killed it in the post-season by hitting a combined 194/.383/389.
Once you move one player from one situation to a completely different and you subtract players the same way then nothing is predictable. Your premises sucks.
mlb1225
Because we all predicted Yelich would have this amazing breakout? In the 4 seasons prior to the trade, Yelich had a .804 OPS, and 122 OPS+ while Stanton had .939 OPS and 155 OPS+. I would not have given up Torres for pre-Brewer Yelich, as Torres was tearing it up in the minors at the time, and had a higher offensive ceiling than Yelich in 2017.
lamars
Bro seriously? No one, and I mean no one saw A) Yelich becoming the player he has become and B) no one saw Stanton becoming the player he has become. So you can’t compare Torres to Yelich. Remember, everyone was going crazy over Frazier and he hasn’t done jack squat to this point.
Lloyd Emerson
Well I suppose that one can only hope if your premises sucks that you at least have a nice car.
Mick1956
Lamar Smith
I’m not the grammar police, but if you’re going to make fun of an entire group of people on a discussion post about their team at least spell the operative word correctly!
Mick1956
Plus, Torres will end up having a much better career than Yelich. Gimme Torres over Yelich any day.
Mick1956
I sincerely apologize, Lamar, that was intended for VladGuerreroJr. I typed my response to you in a different area, and wrote your name again here.
retire21
Please. No “r” word. Thank you.
jdgoat
You guys wouldn’t have dealt Torres in a Yelich deal? Ok then, glad you aren’t running any teams…
Rudy Zolteck
The Yanks offense was definitely lacking if you consider what they have been able to mount against BOS/HOU pitching in postseason series.
Vladguerrerojr20
LOL you all are so sour over Bronx bitchs comment that you’re still missing the point that yelich is a superior player and more valuable with his 4 years of bargain control and MVP numbers then Torres with 6 years of Arb control.. Yankees fans are a joke, have fun watching the Rays take the division title away from you with a payroll quarter the size. Why don’t you go cry about the the Astros stealing a World Series appearance and an mvp award away from Judge.
stretch123
Yelich for Gleyber + Jorge Guzman + Starlin Castro + Jose Devers would’ve been the trade and would have been absolutely worth it for both sides.
Mick1956
Hell no! It would not be worth it for the Yankees, at all. Yelich has a few good years while Torres has an entire career of great baseball left. And Castro / Devers? What the hell are they going to do with Andujar & Urshela? Not worth it my friend. Torres is too good.
jdgoat
Lmao Yelich had at least 4 years of prime control. Torres has what, 6, and was an unproven prospect at the time. You are insane if you wouldn’t have done that deal. What if Torres busted and you were left with nothing?
Vladguerrerojr20
I’m just glad the Rays weren’t quite competitive yet. Could you imagine Yelich on the Rays with that contract, and that rotation/staff and the best farm in the majors. I’m a Jays fan but I envy and respect what that front office has done.
Mick1956
What if Yelich never had the year he had? Plus Torres has a great track record in the minors which was why he was a top prospect.
You can what if everything but what happened has happened and Torres started having a great year immediately, at 20. At least be genuine. And I’m glad you’re glad I’m not the manager because you’re the only one who cares. By the end, Torres will end up better than Yelich and THEY NEED SS, not an outfielder. Please pay attention to more than just his offensive numbers for a couple years.
Vladguerrerojr20
Lol you are clueless, you’re saying “what if everything”. Yet one sentence later you’re saying Torres will be better then the 2018 and would be 2019 MVP Yelich. So you know the future now? Then You say “pay more attention then just offensive numbers” yet Yelich is a Bonified superstar and well rounded from defence to base running to contact and power and plate discipline. Torres is going to have to put up back to back MVP seasons and sign a team friendly deal before you change my mind about Yelich not being worth Torres. Gleyber Torres is a star in the making don’t get me wrong , anybody would love to have him but right now Yelich is on another level.
Mick1956
I don’t have time for a discussion with a someone who what ifs the crap out of everything. Explain to me how Yelich fills their void at shortstop? My point is what ifing the past cannot change anything however the future is open. You’re assuming I’m predicting the future but what I am doing is citing what I believe will happen based on his past behavior and talent.
So Yelich’s MVP season is more reliable than Torres’ great season whe Torres is more talented at this age than Yelich was? Right. Nice try, and you can love on Yelich all you want and employ hindsight bias to make your point, but it’s not factually accurate at the time Yelich left Miami. Meanwhile, Torres has always been a top prospect.
MoRivera 1999
JDGoat, no one not even you saw Yelich coming at the time of the trade. Guy had 18HR’s the year before he was traded. And he was already 25 then, is 28 now.
Vladguerrerojr20
Lol so a prospect ranking is 100% Accurate and the only way to judge talent? Remember Jesus Montero? Typical Yankee fan thinking all their prospects are super stars and HOFers, the numbers and awards will speak for themselves , holler at me “when“ gleyber wins an mvp and batting title. Until then, your notion that you wouldn’t have dealt gleyber for Yelich is absolutely ridiculous and anyone with half a brain knows that. What are you like 75 years old lmao.
southbeachbully
@JDGoat
You’re still missing the point and it’s quite remarkable. Yelich was a solid 4 WAR player at the time while Stanton was the reigning MVP. With Stanton they had Judge, Hicks and Gardner in the OF with Frazier, still a top 50 prospect at the time, waiting for a shot. Torres was a then top 5 prospect.
Suggesting the Yanks were stupid NOT to trade Torres (in a package) for the then Yelich with the 4.6 WAR is Monday-morning-quarterbacking. No one could’ve seen him becoming a MVP level talent so fast.
its_happening
Please forgive the Blue Jays fans. They have no problem pointing out something ridiculous like this but cannot bring themselves to take a hard look at their own backyard.
Personally I didn’t think going after Stanton was the right move due to the length of the contract. But, it allowed the Yanks to deal Castro and open 2B to Torres. Does anyone remember the names of the other two minor leaguers? This after Stanton won an MVP and all you gave up was a pricey 2B and two nothing prospects. What was the asking price for Yelich from the Yankees?
Let’s also remember Ellsbury was still an active player in 2017. Along with Gardner, Hicks and Judge, where would Yelich fit in 2018 after coming off a 2017 season where Jacoby was expected to play? Stanton was replacing Matt Holliday/Chris Carter. The Yanks needed a punch and got it from a 50+ homer guy.
Contract aside, Stanton was the right guy on-paper for the Yanks.
southbeachbully
@Vladguerrerojr20
You continue to argue this point knowing what Yelich has done the last 2 years. It’s mind-boggling at this point. Yes, had anyone thought Yelich would turn in 2 back to back mvp caliber years, then yes, I’m sure Cashman would have a hard time saying no.. But no one expected him to turn it up to a whole other level and no one expected Stanton to miss most of 2019. 2B was a need and Torres was a legit top 5 talent while with the Cubs.
However, the first two years for Torres have been excellent and I would say no one expected him to show so much power so early, 62 homers (33 at home and 29 on the road) in his first 2 years and he just turned 22 in December.
Rocket32
mlbnyyfan Stanton was the MVP level player at the time. Cashman can’t see the future. Based on the situation at the time going for Stanton over Yelich was 100% the right move. If you want to play that game, the Yankees should’ve gave the Pirates what they wanted for Cole a few years ago, should’ve beat Houston’s offer for Verlander several years ago.
Let’s take it even further. They should’ve signed David Ortiz years ago after the Twins released him before Boston did.
lamars
Am a Red Sox fan and I couldn’t agree with you more on this subject. It’s impossible to predict the future and if it were so easy I am quite sure the Marlins would have asked for a lot more if they knew Yelich was going to then into the player he has become.
Ejemp2006
Chill dude! Arenado, Gray, Desmond, Shaw, and Davis for half Stanton contract, Severino, and Andujar.
Done? A lot!
YankeesBleacherCreature
The Marlins had a top priority to trade Stanton first before any other. Hindsight is 20/20. Since Cashman isn’t psychic, so there will be other “worst moves”.
uncle mike
In that respect, the Cardinals should have traded for Yelich instead of Ozuna! However, the year that Stanton was the MVP, many thought Ozuna could have been the MVP instead of Stanton. Therefore, the year before all 3 were traded, Yelich ranked 3rd behind both Ozuna and Stanton. Lucky Brewers!!! Personally, I hope Ozuna tears it up with Atlanta!!! He was definitely mistreated during this signing period by not only the Cardinals Front Office, but also by the principle Owner, Bill DeWitt Jr. Ozuna had established himself as their everyday #4 hitter. Something the Cards had lacked since the presence of Edmonds, Pujols, Rolan, Holliday, and Bergman!!! In Essence, the now starter for Miami, who were traded by the Cardinals Front Office’s John Mozeliak, were actually just given to the Marlins for a 3rd round draft pick.
Saying all of that to say this!!! I’m also a big fan of the Yankees in the American League. Their Front Office’s and Ownership do not even compare, Cardinals vs Yankees!!! The Yankees do care about winning a World Series each year!!! The Cardinals care about Ballpark village and making money!!! Not spending money wisely to obtain a player such as Telich. Instead they gave a 2 yr. $36 million contract to a player who hit .217 for the season.
Yankee Fans should be grateful of the Ownership and Front Office they currently have!! It could be a lot worse!!!!!
SportsFan0000
At that time, Yellich was not available.
And, because of Stanton’s huge contract absorbed by the Yankees the return on prospects and players to FLA was on the lite side.
Yankees would have had to give up better players to get Yellich.
billysbballz
Stanton contract is an absolute Albatross. It was a domino effect finding out Ohtani didn’t want to be a Yankee and then being handed Stanton for very little seemed too good to pass up on but now we are stuck with a player who seems very far away from that mvp season.
robluca21
So if given the chance to acquire last season’s mvps that led the majors in home runs you balk at that chance ?….ok
jdgoat
Cody Bellinger and Giancarlo Stanton are not even close to the same thing. There’s about 325 million things and quite a few DL stints that are different between them.
wordonthestreet
Robluca what is your point
southbeachbully
@billysbballz
Yanks carried Ellsbury on the books for the last 4 years. Stanton “only” counts for about $5 mil per more and I’m sure they’ll get a lot of that money back if they have an insurance policy and he fails to contribute due to a long injury.
chuck123
It’s early – should still get some production from Stanton. Later years will be ugly though
pobodysnerfect
if it’s defense you want, boy have I got a Jason Heyward I’d like to trade to you.
snotrocket
I was pissed when Stanton wouldn’t waive his NTC to come to SF, but in hindsight that would have been the last thing they needed. Thanks, Mike.
Perksy
I wonder if Stanton truly likes playing in NY? He could opt out after this year, but with 8 years $244m guaranteed I can’t see that happening.
Cincyfan85
There’s a snowball’s chance in hell he ever opts out.
lamars
Agreed, no way in hell he opts out. He ain’t making that kinda of money on the open market. Its the same reason why Price or J.D. Martinez didn’t opt out.
22222pete
I said at the time Severino was allowed to throw too many innings his rookie season (over 40% increase). Judge hurt his shoulder in the HR Derby after I warned them against his participating. I also warned about Stanton as he was too injury prone, but nobody listened.
I pointed out Fraziers defensive shortcomings when they acquired him. These have not gone away. Assuming no lingering damage from concussions, he should be limited to DH.
If you need help Cashman, just listen to me.
CrookedAsstros
Wow dude you should be GM
southbeachbully
@22222pete
Yeezus. He pitched a combined 151 innings in 2016 and increased about 25% in 2017. Don’t even bother to post something if you’re not even going to check the facts. He was sooooooo effected he pitcjed a full season of 191 innings the next year in 2018? Kick rocks Nostradumbass.
Begamin
Yes im sure the 2017 HR Derby is the reason Judge hurt his shoulder two years later. Genius.
Vizionaire
joel sherman? is he a novelist or a sports writer?
Mick1956
No
homerheins
The Yankees can waste 30 million on a guy who doesn’t play and still make the World Series, whereas a contract like that makes Miami suck for a decade. Miami should be the easiest place to build a winning franchise, but all the competent front office people work in Tampa.
Ejemp2006
Miami run by coked our Archer types. Tampa is run by coke money managing Cyril Figgis types.
The baseball teams reflect.
Chris
I think everyone needs to chill on Stanton. He missed one season. If he misses all of 2020 we can complain but man calling our own guy a bum won’t help. When he plays, he’s been overall pretty good for us even with all the strikeouts. Just need to get him healthy. If anything I’m more concerned with our training staff being unable to really keep anyone healthy
YankeesBleacherCreature
Asking folks to tame their knee-jerk reactions and to be rationale and patient are tall orders. Wait until Gary Sanchez needs a few days off and say that they should’ve resigned Austin Romine and given him anything to remain a backup.
Mick1956
Both of you are spot-on. It’s just any reason to blast the Yankees with hindsight bias to fill their predetermined conclusions.
It’s okay though, because we will take his albatross contract and IL stints right to the WS with us!
bravesfan
They can’t trade Frazier cause the entire time is made of glass apparently. Although he’s excellent trade bait.. Why is this team always dealing with a ton of injuries to impact players…
kc38
I love how every NY fan thinks Cashman is the greatest GM of all time and he never does anything wrong but he’s made many bad deals in the past couple years
Stanton
Ellsbury
Severino extension
Hicks extension
Caleb smith trade
Happ
Tanaka
A rod
Paxton is iffy
Not re signing DD
Perksy
Every GM makes bad moves. But the good with him outweighs the bad. You can’t say not resigning DD is bad since it just happened. Tanaka has been very durable and pitches great in the post season. Stanton and Hicks still have a lot remaining so you can’t evaluate it now.
YankeesBleacherCreature
kc28 is over-reaching and cherry-picking here. The only albatross is Ellsbury. Stanton, Severino, and Hicks are too early to call. ARod helped them win a bunch of games and reached the playoffs multiple times. Happ is still a work in progress. Tanaka has been worth his money. The poor moves were the Neil Walkers, Sonny Grays, Jerry Hairstons, Matt Hollidays, and other supplemental guys that didn’t hurt the team for long.
Begamin
Sonny Gray was a good move from Cashmans end, they just messed up his approach and essentially ruined him when on the team. Also, the Matt Holliday move seemed to really help Judge, cant say that one was poor either.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Agreed. Gray refused to buy in to increasing his fastball spin-rate and fought it. He also shook of his catcher more than any Yankees pitcher Incan remember. Holliday slightly underperformed but it was not unexpected given his age.
jdgoat
Both Sonny Gray trades as well
Mick1956
What? How are Stanton, Paxton, Sevy, and Tanaka bad??? Tanaka has been decent in regular seasons and lights out in the postseason. Stanton did some time in the IL but had a good year overall and Sevy is a really good pitcher. As a matter of fact, KC38, most of the guys you names had better years than many players in other teams and our pitchers would be #1or #2 on many rotations out there. Again, you are using hindsight bias to fit your narrative because you don’t like the Yankees and basing that determination on elements outside the control of Cashman, ie, injuries. And Caleb Smith? Seriously? Oh, you mean because he was in the Cy Young race last year? Oh wait, nope, he wasn’t. Get off your soapbox and telling us history rather than insight.
Sonny Gray is another story but he pitched well in Oakland. They couldn’t have known he would fall apart emotionally in NY.
He’s far from perfect, but he’s done a good job, overall, like building the farm system in one offseason to a top 2 system, which led to playoff and WS contention for 3 years straight.
kc38
Sevy just had TJ and will now miss 2 straight years… that’s a fact. Is that money well spent?? Stanton has had injury history his entire career and it will continue and now the past 2 years you’re seeing it, that’s a fact. Money well spent?? Good I’m glad Tanaka is decent for $150 million, money well spent? Yes Caleb smith who has outpitched Happ, that’s a fact, so now your bad trade is making you spend dumb money lol was that money well spent? You can evaluate a contract as a bad move when the players spends years not on the field but you’re paying them for it. Yes that makes a contract bad
MoRivera 1999
kc38 How could Sevy’s injuries have been foreseen? Since when are injuries a GM’s fault? I’ll bet that when the Stanton deal happened you were one of the millions who said the Yankees stole him, that Jeter did a bad sweetheart deal for the Yankees. But now you criticize Cashman for it. Typical intellectual dishonesty. $22MM/yr for Tanaka has not been far off. I’m good with it.
Mick1956
Wrong again, KC. You said that made Cashman’s moves bad. That’s unpredictable. So you’re assigning blame to Cashman for a “bad move” thus calling him a bad GM because he traded comparatively little for an MVP and signed an apparently good pitcher with a high ceiling to an extension? Wow, you really don’t see how that is hindsight bias? And, for you to judge a GMs performance on unpredictable injuries is irrational? Now, if you’re trying to say they turned out to be a waste of money because of the injuries, you have much more standing. But your current perspective is jaded and it’s obvious. You just need to dig deep down, push past the pain, and admit it to yourself.
Look, you’re now changing terms too. You went from bad GM with bad moves to good/bad contract after the fact and money not well spent. Two very different things.
southbeachbully
@kc38
Right because Cashman knew Severino would miss 2 straight years,
How about credit for acquiring Hicks, Voit and Didi for nothing? Or knowing which prospects to trade and which ones not to (Judge, Andujar, Severin, Sanchez, Torres, etc),?
He’s far from perfect but he’s still a good GM.
bigbadjohnny
Looks like the Rays will take this division.
mlbnyyfan
That’s true the Brewers would of demanded Torres. That’s what teams do they demand the untouchables from the Yankees. The Brewers however didn’t have to give up anyone of the quality of a Torres. The league is anti Yankees. It is what it is. Dodgers kept there untouchables for Betts, The Rangers for Kluber, The Astros for Cole and so on and so on….. However I’m not bitter. LoL
Rudy Zolteck
“The league is anti Yankees”
[gives up Starlin Castro for Stanton]
MoRivera 1999
Starlin Castro plus $265MM. But who’s counting? Nobody criticizes Jeter for that deal anymore. Nobody calls it a back room sweetheart deal anymore. Now they criticize Cashman. They have it both ways… Criticizing Jeter then, criticizing Cashman now. Because intellectual dishonesty is rampant.
Mick1956
Yeah, what he said ^
mlbnyyfan
KC. trust me Cashman is far from perfect. I never claimed him to be the greatest. I have several problems with him. Especially keeping Rothschild way too long and for him and his staff not being able to develop any starting pitchers. He’s never creative in multiple team trades. He has alot of faults.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Are you saying that you need to make three-team trades to be an effective GM? Granted Severino and German are inactive now but they developed under Rothschild. Getting Gleyber for a half season of Chapman was a brilliant move, no?
Mick1956
Top prospect for renting out their closer? Uh, yeah, pretty much by any standard is brilliant, which is why every other GM in the league is trying to replicate it.
OilCanLloyd
Ball isn’t juiced anymore. Home run hitters like Judge and Stanton(when healthy) will always get their homers. But Urshela and Gardiner won’t come close to last years production.
Mick1956
Yes, quite possibly, but that goes for a multitude of other player, and in some cases entire teams like the Twins. You cannot extrapolate Gardner from the league as a decline when the league average will drop. So, relatively speaking, he should be this season where he was last season in homers, comparatively.
OilCanLloyd
Yes the Twins have been on my mind as the biggest drop.
But no juice ball and age decline might make Gardner the biggest drop in Offensive production and WAR league wide. I like Brett btw. Just being real. Was a mistake to re-up with the fan favorite.
OilCanLloyd
Twins did hit lot more extra base hits that Yanks. So maybe the won’t fall as far as NYY.
Mick1956
Yeah, that could turn out to be true and many Yankee fans were not happy with it. I understood either way, but it’s a valid point, nonetheless. If they get rid of him though, who’s gonna bang on the dugout roof? That probably sealed the deal.
southbeachbully
@PTSD Jays
Signing Gardner was a smart move. He’s only earning $10 mil. Who cares? He had a good season on both sides of the plate and was the only CF on the roster to fill in for Hicks.
OilCanLloyd
I love the Yank fan attitude. “who cares!” ..Daddy will by me a new pony!
Begamin
How do you know the ball isnt juiced?
OilCanLloyd
forbes.com/sites/tonyblengino/2020/12/31/anthony-r…
This was a good article. Jim Bowden on MlbXm discussed it on his show too. Like Mick1956 says, there will be a drop in homers league wide.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Keep in mind the current CBA expires after the 2021 season and the MLBPA is ready to dig its feet in on the CBT issue. I can foresee a change to the CBT where teams have to pay less money each year for being over and the possible elimination of draft pick penalties too. So the Yankees just need to ‘make it’ through 2021 and the whole CBT issue will most likely clear itself up. NY will be able to carry these bad contracts with much lesser penalties.
OilCanLloyd
So buying a title is easier.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The dated arbitration process badly needs to be overhauled or eliminated. The CBA will always be a contested issue among all parties as baseball economics fluctuate while teams operate within a monopoly.
mlbnyyfan
One trade Cashman makes he’s brilliant. What about the ones he doesn’t make. Rothschild is a joke if he’s so great how come he couldn’t see Severino when he was tipping his pitches. The next trade Cashman needs to make is Judge if he misses another significant time because of injury again.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Quit doubling-down on your rubbish. There are plenty of logical and knowledegable Yankees/baseball fans here that you can hear out for a second. Yes… if both Judge and Trout happen to be injured again, it makes the perfect change- of-scenery trade.
SportsFan0000
Yankees rotation, with the exception of Cole is a black hole that could see team
wins regression…
90-95 wins is the upside.
mlbnyyfan
Exactly a black hole So how is Cashman so great if him and his staff can’t produce legitimate starting pitching via the draft or internationally. As a Yankees fan they have no choice but to overpay for Cole. Cashman overrated.
southbeachbully
@mlbnyyfan
Severino-33 wins in 2017 and 2018. German 18 last year and Montgomery had a good 2018 debut.
BTW., the Sox and Rays won WS title with Sale, Price, Verlander, Cole and Morton all being impact SP that were imports. Kick rocks with your logic. You get good pitching however you can and the Yanks can afford to play in the deep side of the free agency pool.
southbeachbully
@mlbnyyfan
Severino-33 wins in 2017 and 2018. German 18 last year and Montgomery had a good 2018 debut.
BTW., the Sox and Rays won WS title with Sale, Price, Verlander, Cole and Morton all being impact SP that were imports. Kick rocks with your logic. You get good pitching however you can and the Yanks can afford to play in the deep side of the free agency pool. Learning how to get value out of low cost acquisitions like Hicks, Didi, Voit, Urshela and a good farm is the key to offsetting the higher priced players.