When Wil Myers’ name surfaced in trade rumblings surrounding the Padres, Red Sox and Mookie Betts, it seemed like a fairly straightforward thought process. The Padres wanted to acquire a star (Betts), had been seeking to jettison some of Myers’ contract and didn’t want to pay both Myers’ $20MM salary and Betts’ $27MM salary. But when the Myers-to-Red Sox rumors reemerged even after Betts had been traded to the Dodgers, that was more surprising. Eventually, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe reported that the Sox’ aim in those talks was to use some of their newfound payroll space and luxury tax breathing room to effectively purchase some young pitching from the Padres. The basic premise: take on half of Myers’ contract and also acquire a pitcher such as Cal Quantrill to immediately plug into the mix at the MLB level. However, per Speier, there’s not much optimism at the moment that such a deal will come together.
But does that mean the Red Sox should abandon the strategy entirely? Well, why would they? There are dozens of undesirable contracts throughout MLB, and many clubs on the hook for those deals have pitching talent with which they could conceivably part.
However, it’s not as simple as just picking out a big-time contract and saying, “Let’s dump this on the Red Sox along with [Player X]!” Myers’ contract was something of an ideal fit for the Sox. The Padres aggressively backloaded his six-year, $83MM deal to the point that Myers earned only $7MM in salaries from 2017-19 (in addition to a weighty $15MM signing bonus). That’s notable for the Red Sox because they’re still “only” about $12-13MM shy of the luxury barrier. Taking on a bad contract with a $20MM+ annual salary over its full term — the relevant data point from a competitive balance tax perspective — would put them right back into the tax territory that ownership insisted on escaping erm, was … happy to escape as an ancillary benefit of building a competitive window … or however they choose to try to spin it.
Myers came with a $13.8MM luxury hit — and the cash the Padres would’ve included in the deal (a reported $30MM or so) would’ve essentially dropped Boston’s luxury obligation to $3.8MM. That’s an ideal balance of flexing the club’s deep pockets without running the risk of even approaching the luxury barrier. It’s easy to suggest Albert Pujols ($24MM AAV), Justin Upton ($23MM), Jason Heyward ($23MM), Chris Davis ($23MM), Matt Carpenter ($18.5MM) and plenty of others as a plausible fit, but Myers presented Boston with the rare opportunity to absorb half of a player’s remaining contract (and more than 36 percent of the total value) while only increasing their luxury payroll by about 1.9 percent. That’s not going to be the case with such high-AAV players.
Arrangements like the Myers deal are tough to find. Myers may well have been the single best target for this prospect-purchasing gambit — but he’s not the only one. Let’s take a speculative look at who else the Red Sox could inquire on in an effort to pursue a similar template but with a different trade focal point:
Rougned Odor, Rangers, 2B (three years, $36MM remaining on six-year, $49.5MM deal)
Odor’s contract only comes with an $8.25MM luxury hit in the first place, which the Red Sox could fit into their current budget even if Texas doesn’t include any cash. Add in even a few million dollars from the Rangers, and the Sox would be well shy of running into the threshold. To say the Odor extension hasn’t worked out for the Rangers would be putting things mildly; he’s hit .219/.285/.419 since putting pen to paper three years ago, and the bulk of the guarantee is yet to be paid out
The Rangers aren’t really maxed out in terms of payroll, but they’re also looking at playing one of the game’s top second base prospects in center field — surely in part due to Odor’s presence on the roster. Texas also added three starters with multiple years of control this winter (Corey Kluber, Kyle Gibson, Jordan Lyles), making it easier to absorb the blow of trading a big-league-ready arm. Maybe they wouldn’t be keen on using Kolby Allard (or someone similar) to rid themselves of the Odor contract, but if you’re the Red Sox, that’s an avenue to explore. It’s not like second base is a position of great certainty in Boston at the moment, anyhow.
Kyle Seager, Mariners, 3B (two years, $37MM remaining on seven-year, $100MM deal*)
The asterisk next to Odor’s name is necessitated by his contract’s “poison pill” — i.e. a $15MM club option that turns into a player option in the event of a trade. He’s at two years and $37MM only while donning a Mariners jersey; the moment he’s traded, that effectively becomes three years and $52MM. That wrinkle wouldn’t immediately impact his luxury tax hit though (and only minimally impacts it if/when he does trigger the option, as the current mark is $14.29MM).
The Red Sox are set at third base with Rafael Devers, but this type of trade isn’t really about positional need (and Seager could perhaps work at second base anyhow). The Mariners’ rebuild/”reimagining”/whatever they prefer to call it is nearing the point where GM Jerry Dipoto is going to want to supplement his emerging core with free agent acquisitions. Dropping a notable portion of the $19MM owed to Seager in 2020 and, perhaps more importantly, the $18MM owed to him in 2021 will aid in that effort.
Dee Gordon, Mariners, 2B/OF (one year, $14.5MM remaining on five-year, $50MM deal)
Same concept as Seager but with slightly different details. Gordon is a man without a position in Seattle and a free agent at season’s end. Gordon’s deal comes with a $10MM luxury hit that the Sox could shoehorn into their ledger without going over the barrier, but they’d have minimal breathing room. Gordon could step in as the primary second baseman with Dustin Pedroia on the shelf, pushing Jose Peraza to a more familiar utility role. And the Mariners would surely love to use that roster spot to get a look at a younger player while saving $14MM to spend on supplementing their core.
Randal Grichuk, Blue Jays, OF (four years, $43MM remaining on five-year, $52MM deal)
It’s hard not to wonder if the Jays would like a mulligan on last spring’s extension after Grichuk slashed .232/.280/.457 in 2019, effectively playing at replacement level. Then again, the Grichuk deal was a head-scratching move for most onlookers (myself included), as he didn’t appear to be a clear extension candidate. That 2019 slash looks awfully similar to Grichuk’s combined production from 2016-18 (.241/.292/.485), so perhaps the Jays are content with what he’s bringing to the table… but $43MM over the next four seasons nonetheless feels quite steep.
If the Jays are indeed looking for a way to back out of the deal, the organization is teeming with usable but unspectacular arms in the upper minors as it awaits the rise of higher-end prospects. The Sox aren’t getting Nate Pearson or anyone close to that caliber out of this deal, but paying a good chunk Grichuk’s deal in an effort to acquire a controllable fourth/fifth starter would be plenty defensible.
Ian Desmond, Rockies, INF/OF (two years, $26MM remaining on five-year, $70MM deal)
The Desmond deal has been a bust for the Rockies, who no longer even have a clear place to play one of their most highly compensated players. Charlie Blackmon, David Dahl, Raimel Tapia and Sam Hilliard are all more deserving of looks in the outfield. Garrett Hampson, Brendan Rodgers and Ryan McMahon are in the mix at second base. McMahon could also play first, where the Rockies have another underperforming veteran in Daniel Murphy (though he’s only signed through 2020).
Colorado owner Dick Monfort opened the season by declaring a lack of payroll flexibility (and, after a winter of inactivity, bizarrely proclaimed that the same Rockies club that lost 91 games in 2019 would win 94 games in 2020). The Rockies aren’t exactly teeming with high-end pitching talent — hence the 91 losses in 2019 — but they have seven or eight starters on the 40-man roster and in Triple-A behind German Marquez, Jon Gray and Kyle Freeland. This type of trade doesn’t really feel like Colorado’s style — in general, the Rockies aren’t highly active on the trade market — but if the Sox are interested in one of those back-of-the-rotation arms, it’s not hard to see the framework of a speculative deal.
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As this exercise shows, it’s not exactly easy to structure a deal on this sort of premise — in large part because there just aren’t that many suitable contracts. And few clubs have the abundance of upper-level talent (with associated 40-man roster pressures) of the Padres. Still, the Red Sox surely will keep exploring avenues to put their wallet to work while still ducking under the luxury line.
DarkSide830
why would they take on any money if not for a starter or maybe a RP
Brixton
Because the original report was they wanted Wil Myers. As long as the prospects they get along w the bad contract fits what they need (pitching, catching), who cares who the bad deal is
kyredsox17
Catching?
pasha2k
What bout trading for a Brockstar? Stupid move letting him go.
deweybelongsinthehall
Sox don’t need catching other than in two years or longer. they will not rush. the Meyers deal was as Steve said. unique. no one is throwing a stud at them ib a deal that keeos them under the tax. I’m assuming the Myers’ deal failed because the Padres couldn’t get that second deal done for the star they want. save bullets to revisit it later or for a July trade should the team still be in the hunt for the post season.
JoeBrady
That’s exactly correct. This trade has three fairly unusual facets, which combine to make it unique. Which is why none of those other players are close to substitutes.
* The net amount of the AAV for Myers is tiny.
* The SDP have excess pitching.
* The RS could actually use Myers.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
The Red Sox could use Myers?
123redsox
They don’t need him but if they are going to absorb a contract, at least they could find ways to get him playing time
deweybelongsinthehall
and more importantly get the young pitcher they need.
Geno55
Make sure Will Myers passes the physical
What is this a used car lot?
nymetsking
Not Baltimore either
pasha2k
The Padre deal died cuz they couldn’t pass off another pitcher who was injured when getting back good prospects.
123redsox
Catching is far from a need given Vazquez is slated for every day work over the next 3 seasons.
schwender
Chris Davis suspiciously absent from this list
SalaryCapMyth
Not really. Why would Baltimore, a rebuilding team, get someone to take his contract by giving away prospect talent? Doesn’t make since for them to do that.
DarkSide830
so they arent burdened by a bad player and bad contract when they actually want to contend.
SalaryCapMyth
@darkside: His contract ends in 2023. They will be fine. If they think they are going to be competitive before then, they could look into a trade then but if they do it this year it would be more expensive as opposed to next year or the year after when he will be owed less years and dollars. Do it now and you will be paying in more talent and still be about as terrible as you would be with him.
123redsox
@darkside830 … Baltimore has very little in terms of minor league talent and even less long term talent on the major league roster. They will be lucky to compete by 2026
Easy$
Baltimore has a top twelve farm system according to Baseball America, MLB.com, Bleacher Report, and others. Their last (3) first round draft picks all look incredibly promising (DL Hall, Grayson Rodriguez and Adley Rutschman). Ryan Mountcastle (International League MVP) and Yusniel Diaz (from the Manny trade) will likely make their way to the O’s 26-man this year (if not breaking camp to head north after spring training) and they have nice pitching depth with Gray Fenter, Cody Sedlock, Alex Wells, Dean Kremer (also from the Manny trade), Keegan Akin and others. They will be competitive again well before 2026, but still no reason to give up prospects to off-load Davis.
SalaryCapMyth
Actually, I think 2023 is a good estimate of when they could be competitive. Ruschman and others should be up by then, Davis contract will be off the books..but there is no reason to exaggerate the situation by saying they won’t be competitive by 2026 at the earliest.
Ketch
To save money?
YankeesBleacherCreature
From a RS perspective, they would essentially be straight-up paying for prospects whereas Davis warrants an immediate release as he’s a sub-WAR player. The Sox should stand pat this year or sell at the deadline and reassess for next season.
SalaryCapMyth
Right..but the Orioles WON’T do it because it doesn’t make since. They will be one of the 3 worst teams in baseball with or without him. They are collecting young talent to be relavent again one day. Selling that young talent to take Chris Davis would be a step back.
Endersgame
Same type of deal for the Mariners. They are trying to stockpile young talent, in the hopes that some of them work out. The Mariners are especially light on young arms, as evidenced by the signings of Kendall Graveman, Taijuan Walker, Carl Edwards Jr, and Yoshihisa Hirano. Sure, they would love to be out from under Dee Gordon’s contract, but not at the cost of one of their young arms.
JT19
Agreed. And considering that Gordon is a year away from free agency anyway, they’re better off holding onto him rather than trading him to save a few bucks and give up a prospect. Doubtful, but maybe Gordon gets to the trade deadline with a tiny bit of value as a utility guy/pinch runner type.
Boogaloo
Why would Baltimore be selling off prospects? They have no chance of competing for at least a few years.
warwhatisitgoodfor
Same take with Mariners…and they need some type of veteran hitter so it’s not all youngsters cutting teeth with no vet presence. Plus they have zero need to shed already low payroll
Boogaloo
Seattle has done a great job unloading some contracts while picking up some young talent.
Another year and they’ll be ready to have a decent young core, low payroll and alot of cash to spend on free agency. No need at all to give up any young talent just to shed a 2 year contract. If it was a bad 6 year deal that’s one thing, but 2 years just wait it out at this point.
JoeBrady
Really nice job by Seattle. Kelenic, Long, Sheffield, Crawford, and Dunn all like they might be players.
whyhayzee
The Red Sox did not want Wil Myers, rather the Padres wanted the Red Sox to take Wil Myers. The Red Sox do not want any more position players, they don’t need any more position players. Like everyone else, they could use pitchers. I doubt any trades would happen unless they figure out a way to trade JBJ and replace him in CF with Pillar, but then they would need another outfielder, so that is not too likely.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Kudos for an intelligent comment!
acell10
While they might not necessarily want/need myers they want to rebuilt the farm systems. Myers is a means to an end. they could make this trade and DFA Myers tomorrow without blinking an eye.
SalaryCapMyth
If someone offeres you $10 million dollars to slap you in the face, wouldn’t you take it? You don’t NEED to be slapped in the face but you WANT the money right? It’s the same reason why Red Sox might have taken Myers. To get the prospects San Diego could offer.
whyhayzee
I don’t need $10 million. And I don’t want a slap in the face. So I don’t personally agree but I do get the analogy. I still don’t think it’s viable for the Red Sox.
JT19
I mean I would gladly take $10 million for a slap in the face…
looiebelongsinthehall
Sox would have made the trade with San Diego as reported, in essence buying a young arm without adding much in tax liabilities but truth be told, so probably would another team printing money. Couldn’t you see the Yankees for example get involved and effectively give the Padres more in return back? They also need a potential starter and care more about the net 2020 tax repercussions while worrying about 2021 next off season than actual dollars paid in 2020 payroll,
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Benintendi / Verdugo / Pillar is enough with someone from the Minors occasionally as back up (and until Verdugo comes back) and Martinez filling in every now and then.
Padres2019ha
Verdugo is hurt though and may be damaged goods. You need at least 4 quality outfielders and they have 1. 2 if Verdugo is ok
looiebelongsinthehall
The Sox could of course be wrong but they don’t consider Verdugo’s back a long term condition. JDM to me is serviceable despite his bad rep if it allows them to place a strong bat as DH. I don’t see that person on the present roster. I do not want a lineup of Chavis, Moreland and Dalbac as they strikeout too much to all be playing together.
Randy Red Sox
What difference does that make?? Th BEST the Sox will finish is 3rd in the Al East and maybe be 4th
looiebelongsinthehall
No one is expecting a title but who was expecting the team to win in 2013?
pasha2k
This arrival made me dizzy. If they take on a bad contract they need to bring back good pitching. And if Sakes elbow is bad they need to get him surgery ASAP.
kyredsox17
The best elbow doctor on the planet told him not to get surgery…so that’s why he isn’t having surgery.
nymetsking
but the guy who can’t even spell “and” says he should.
texasfury93
when will their punishment for sign stealing be announced
AtlSoxFan
The lack of any witness coming forward, lack of evidence against the front office/staff orchestrating anything….
Yea, hard to punish someone when there isn’t any hard evidence of a particular scheme or effort.
I’d expect they’re delaying hoping to find or uncover something, it just hasn’t been there to find yet – and maybe ever.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Also with Cora out who could be chief witness, he has nothing to gain by cooperating with MLB. They’ve already been fined for using Apple watches so the commish needs another angle to shoot for.
rocky7
Contrary to your opinion of Cora having nothing to lose by cooperating with MLB….if they wish him to cooperate, he has every thing to lose and will if he ever wishes to manage in baseball again….he can receive the death penalty and be banned for life.
JT19
Considering he was one of the ringleaders behind the sign stealing in both locations, I doubt Cora gets another MLB job. Bad PR and the MLB will be constantly keeping an eye on whoever he signed with to make sure he isn’t cheating still.
looiebelongsinthehall
Depends on what is found. I said it before. While I’m not a Cora fan, he did win in 18 and the Red Sox brass seem to love him so if there is no juice to the current investigation, the team does not win in 20 or 21, can’t you see him returning for 22 (unless the job then goes to either Tek or Pedie)?
Michael Birks
I think the delay is due to the fact that during their investigation they realize that 29 other teams were doing the exact same thing and that it was stupid to put a television monitor adjacent to the dug out
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Yup, most are doing it to stay competitive. Some are more discreet & haven’t been caught. In the 50’s when I was watching baseball the announcers were always suspicious of the runners on 2nd stealing the catchers signs. I’m not the morals judge, but it seems like they are still doing this on a more sophisticated level. Are they cheating? 50% of spouses cheat on each other, probably more. Cheating has become a way of life for many, baseball included. Sad but true.
roguesaw
I’m guessing quite the opposite. At a minimum, if Alex Cora ever wants to see the light of day in MLB, he’ll have spilled his guts to Manfred. I wonder in the delay is because something dragged them down a new rabbit hole. Perhaps he’s got another team on the hook and needs testimony from someone who is also tied to the red sox scandal? Waiting to get that locked in before doling out punishment? Or perhaps all these lawsuits popping up has MLB carefully parsing everything?
I’ve got believe well know one way or the other by opening day.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@roguesaw I would be shocked if any team wants that PR backlash to hire Cora again ever. This is unlike individual PED users where he (Beltran and Hinch) was part of systemic cheating. A full confession and time-served and allowing their returns can only hurt optics. MLB doesn’t need them as they’re easily replaceable. The entertainers are on the field.
looiebelongsinthehall
The lawsuits together is the 800 lb. gorilla. If they aren’t dismissed, settlements before depositions or interrogatory answers seems likely without admissions of guilt. MLB simply cannot let there be testimony if it can be avoided. Anyone who has given testimony before a trial knows questions can be substantially more broad to fish for further information than what is actually allowed at a trial. While a party can refuse to answer, most of the time the court if forced to rule will allow the questions and defer whether or not the answers are actually usable at trial.
rocky7
Wow, this must be breaking news because nowhere has it been reported that MLB has no evidence against the Red Sox…just because you haven’t heard anything yet doesn’t mean they’re off the hook….Cora being gone notwithstanding.
Keep dreaming!
AtlSoxFan
To the contrary rocky, “mlb sources close to the investigation” (whatever you take that to mean) were quoted by USA Today weeks ago, before the extension re: releasing findings, as saying they didn’t expect much in the way of penalties due to lack of evidence.
But don’t let facts get in the way of what you’re hoping for
looiebelongsinthehall
Rocky is simply being Rocky. Needling Sox fans because he has no recent memories of tge a Yankees winning. Were films of 2009 saved in HD?
uncle mike
The Cardinals have a couple of good talented pitchers who probably use a change in scenery and they’d be fine. Alex Reyes and Carlos Martinez. Through in a lefthanded reliever and Dexter Fowler and a deal is made!!!
JoeBrady
The difference between Myers and the other players named, is that Myers is a pretty good fit. It is automatic that Moreland will have a platoon partner. And it wouldn’t hurt to have another RH corner outfielder on the roster.
The next issue is that SD has a surplus of those #3/#4 SPs. No one else has that. None of the 7 or 8 Rockei pitcher they supposedly have, are any good. Or else they’d be starting for Colorado.
Basically, the 5 guys you mentioned are just overpaid players. There is virtually no match there at all.
californiaangels
upton and prospects for Eduardo Rodriguez
User 4245925809
Trade off the 2nd best pitcher on the Sox staff, who just won 19G in 2019, has 2y of control left in a discard deal for prospects?
*IF* Rodriquez is swapped come the AS period, it will be for an impact prospect(s), no un named prospects and not include any bloated discard contracts.
Cooperdooper7
“upton and prospects for Eduardo Rodriguez”
Are you just stupid? Red Sox need pitching which is the reasoning behind taking a bad contract on to aquire the pitching…. why would they trade their # 2 Starter??? WOW!
JoeBrady
Upton is $72M/3 with a negative bWAR last year.
My counter offer is you give us Upton, Adell, and $30M, and you get nothing in return.
Sealbeach Comber
Upton had a 5.8 WAR in 2017 and a 3.8 WAR in 2018. 2019 was just about the only season in his career that was cut short by injury. He showed up for ST in amazing shape. He’s hardly a castoff. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he had a monster 2020.
nymetsking
see the downward trend?
Sealbeach Comber
Lol…..I see one great season…..followed by a very nice season…..then an injury. Pretty small amount of data to conclude a downward trend. And, again, hardly a castoff.
lamars
I get you’re a fan but c’mon man why would the RS even entertain such a idea.
empirejim
I guess the writer thinks that Boston is THE destination for bad contracts…. Maybe they should try to get Chris Davis from the O’s, or maybe Pujols
seamaholic 2
Rockies make a lot of sense here. Desmond actually isn’t bad (at all … pretty good in fact) against LHP, and he “only” makes $24m over 2 years. Rockies cut that in half, say, and it’s not all that different than Myers, considering the shorter commitment. He can platoon in the corner OF and 1B. Jeff Hoffman is a dude who just can’t pitch at Coors — depends too much on his hammer curve — but he might blow up at sea level. Former top ten pick with a huge arm.
Daniel Youngblood
As a Rangers fan, I’d trade you Odor for an Apple Watch.
looiebelongsinthehall
No thanks. That deal stinks.
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
To the Author of the story, when talking about Kyle Seager you used Odor as having the asterisk by his name with the poison pill contract. It should have said Seager. Just a heads up.
Daniel Youngblood
Odor’s contract is so bad it’s necessary to mention in other players’ write-ups.
preauto
OK…not fair. I just got home and poured myself a bourbon and you make me spit some out! LOL
spinach
“The asterisk next to Odor’s name is necessitated by his contract’s “poison pill” — i.e. a $15MM club option that turns into a player option in the event of a trade.”
Seager not Odor.
bobtillman
All MLB seasons are organic; opening day rosters don’t mean much, despite all the hoop-la. Nowhere is this more true than for the Sox. A healthy Sale and Eovoldi, with some bounce back from Benetendi and JBJ, and (like it or not), they’re right in the thick of things. Otherwise, it’s a matter of how aggressive they allow Bloom to be.
All those deals and thoughts are possible; it’s likely they butt up right to the tax threshold. But they might be more interested in more immediate help than some lower level prospect, to be included with a Desmond, etc.
(Every time I think of Chaim Bloom I think of his Gene Wilder namesake in “The Producers”, with Tom Werner, who after all IS a producer, playing the role Max Biallistock).
sacrifice
Ross Stripling !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
123redsox
People here are talking about chris davis but in reality, that is wayyyyy too far from realistic. First off, the orioles have minimal quality prospects in their farm system. Second, they won’t give them up in the middle of an all in rebuild. Third, davis is really the only guy making much money on their roster. They don’t NEED to get him off the books.. from the Sox perspective, the only player in their system that would tempt me to take on Davis would be Means. And the Os are trading means. The sox have no reason to bring in davis who would simply take up a roster spot and not get any playing time over moreland or chavis at first (on the big league roster) or depth like Dalbec. Plawecki can also play first in a pinch as can Vazquez. Not to mention, Davis ‘ deal runs through 2023 I believe which would seemingly take at bats from triston casas by then because let’s be honest. as bad as davis is, he will still be on the roster at his salary
madmc44
baseballtradevalues.com
Really good site for those that want to see what any team’s fans are thinking about as far as trades are concerned.
All American Johnsonville Dogs
Naylor, Baez, and Bolanos are expendable in SD.
Even without Myers Boston could use Naylor at 1st and they have 2B options in Vosler Miller Castillo Potts.
Maybe SD looks to acquire Jeter Downs and send mlb ready assets like Naylor, Miller, Bolanos, and Gerardo Reyes.
All come with 5+ years of control.
AtlSoxFan
The boston system is a black hole at 2b prospects, pedroia is looking like… well, if you don’t know by now you don’t follow baseball.
Nobody, NOBODY, in their right mind sees peraza as the long term heir apparent at 2B, and, given CBT considerations, even with a JDM opt out I don’t see the sox giving up a guy who LOOKS (it’s early, yes) like he can be the 2B of the future to sign a FA 2B. Devers is in line for a raise, Erod headed to FA, rotation needs work, and if benny rebounds he’s gonna make bank in arb with devers.
A cost controlled 2B fits nicely, and more so than a group of “expendable” SD players
madmc44
Jeter, JBJ and Verdugo for that package along with Quantrill or Luchese plus Myers & Cash
ericl
As flawed as Grichuk is, he is still significantly better than his potential replacements. I don’t see the Jays trading him unless they get an outfield upgrade as part of the deal
Goose
The Red Sox are hurting for pitching. I do not know why they didn’t take a shot at younger, rehab vets like Walker and Smyly. At the end of the day they need to focus on rebuilding the pitching prospects on the team. They aren’t in as bad of shape as a lot of Dombrowski teams but they are NOT going to compete in the near future.
mrmet17
Hmm, how bout Cano and a pitcher….
Boogaloo
That better be one hell of a pitcher to take Cano’s deal.
looiebelongsinthehall
A pitcher of bourbon as simple shot glasses won’t do. A PED user at his age for all that money. Seattle was crazy to sign him to that length of a deal, the Mets were stupid to trade for him so what does that make a GM that acquires him now? I don’t believe his deal was heavily backloaded and the Mets would never throw in $30m for the remaining years when zi think they only got $20m back when they got him. Anything less and no team touches him today.
The Human Rain Delay
We will give you Stripling for free if you take Pollock !!!!!!!
looiebelongsinthehall
Pollack’s cap hit prevents the Sox from taking him. You would have to throw in money that keeps Boston under the threshold and maybe take back JBJ.
The Human Rain Delay
Im just being a jerk loole…. Thanks for the reply though
Rsox
Rangers are not looking for salary relief and the Red Sox dont have the prospect capital to trade for Oder even if they wanted to. Oder does not offer upside over Chavis.
Dee Gordon doesn’t offer much value offensively or defensively and like Oder, doesn’t offer upside over Chavis.
Seager is pointless with Devers at 3B.
I don’t see the Blue Jay’s wanting to help Boston even if it gets them out from under Grichuk’s contract.
Desmond, for as terrible offensively as he can be does make some sense as he can play all 3 Outfield positions and 1B and hits from the right side. Colorado would have to eat a good chunk of his deal though.
homerheins
The art of bad contract hot potato. It’s interesting how magarich clubs can actually use bad contracts to their advantage. There’s plenty of them because the game is still purging itself of front office idiots like AJ Preller. I guess we can conclude that the Myers contract was a little too bad and Preller wasn’t able to get approval o
looiebelongsinthehall
GMs get blasted for signing and for not signing. There needs to be a hard cap to balance things. It’s not fair that one team can absorb just about any contract IF what matters (the amount triggering tax implications) works yet another team has to worry about actual dollars paid. Most small market teams would be crippled by having $50m+ already lost in salary before the season has started like the Yankees.
Scrap1ron
Considering the possibility that the Red Sox may be penalized draft picks for that sign stealing accusation a trade like the SD proposal could be the way to restock with younger talent.
SportsFan0000
Get LHSP Boyd from the Tigers..
Send them some young players, prospects
looiebelongsinthehall
Boyd is a very overrated pitcher. While getting makes no sense for Boston, it does for the Yankees who are in better shape to win in 2020 and who may not be able to protect everyone in the next rule 5 draft.
OilCanLloyd
Grichuk made 5M last year. This year it jumps to 13M. I’ll reserve judgement after this year. But he’s gotta lower the Ks and up the OBP.
bcap
The Myers deal looks a lot better than signing on of these vets. Myers/Quantrill for JBJ. Sounds like the Sox wanted another prospect as well, Whynot?
redsoxu571
Ah, I see that we’re still pretending that the primary motivation for dealing away Betts was financial and not because the team is aware that he was likely (or definitely) gone next offseason and preferred to cash out for a solid trade package now rather than keep him for one expensive year when the team isn’t max contending and then lose him entirely.
Boston is worse in 2020 without Betts – though whether the team surprises and makes the playoffs really hinges more on pieces still here, not on Betts – but it is significantly better off in 2021 and beyond for multiple reasons now. Still doesn’t taste great, as the preferring option was to just keep him long term, but (going bold now for emphasis, not yelling) IT SEEMS AS IF THAT PREFERRED OPTION WAS NEVER ON THE TABLE.
OilCanLloyd
I wonder if they would have traded Mookie and Price, had they know Severino would be done for the year?
AtlSoxFan
My gut says yes, trade still goes.
Look, every year in boston you want to win the WS. BUT, the trade did accomplish a lot of things for boston on the long view.
I expect Henry gave DD the green light on nearly the top dollar he’d ever, EVER, ok on a FA deal to mookie in 2021. Yeah, maybe there was a little wiggle room, but once the counter came back at 420m, it was game over knowing the goalposts were too far apart and looking at harper/machado vs mookies better abilities.
Look, Henry had rev sharing rebate incentives on cbt compliance, tax savings, getting prospects for a barren system… reality is, you can’t build an entire team from FAs. It’s 2020, not 1990. And the minors were so, so low on impact talent there were a lot of moving parts to choose to make one Hail Mary with a 4th round pick coming back at the end instead and hope everyone’s health rebounds and stays true.
looiebelongsinthehall
Absolutely. Betts being traded allows the team to reset. The penalties would have prevented any big signings next off season and having Betts in 20 guaranteed nothing other than the aforementioned. By the time Betts decided to go year to year, it was inevitable and in hindsight thread question is how much more could they have gotten if he had been traded last year? Coming off that win, it would have been hard to do but imagine if they did.
neurogame
I liked Jose Peraza, I was hoping he could be the prototypical lead-off hitter/2nd baseman for some MLB team. Alas, I guess just didn’t come around.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Except for the fact he barely has an OBP over .300. He’s a waste of space on this team, nothing more than a back up. Holt is better.
neurogame
That’s why I said “was hoping” But the bat never materialized.
angt222
Jed Lowrie
angt222
Only 1/2 kidding
rycm131
This is outside of the box, but what about reaquiring David Price taking on half his salary then getting Seager or Belinger or both?
Javia
The Sox are already paying half of Price’s salary. The Sox don’t have anywhere near the kinds of prospects it would take to get Bellinger, and LA has no interest in trading their best player when they are the favorite to win the World Series.
rycm131
Like I said it’s outside of the box. So they take on half of the Dodgers half (3/4) and they don’t need prospects the Dodgers will do this as a salary
Dump
Javia
If the Sox want Price back, the Dodgers would make them take all of his salary back or they wouldn’t trade him. That’s an additional $16 million against the cap. Half of Myers contract would only count $3.8 million against the cap.
Moleyrussell’swart
Are you in drugs?
rycm131
Like inside an actual syringe or pill casing?
Ted
Grichuk’s slash line looks comparable to his past, but his WAR as a whole wasn’t. He averaged 2.3 bWAR the four years before 2019. All-Star talent he is not, but that kind of production for $10MM/year on a rebuilding club wouldn’t hurt anyone. The 0.3 WAR he dropped last year, however, was clearly a disappointment.
The only positive for Randall is that he hit WAY better in Aug/Sept than the first four months of the year.
SG
Why would the RSox dump Mookie and a SP in Price at 1/2 cost and try and replace them with Myers and Quantrill just to nudge up against the Luxury Tax Threshold yet once again?
I know what the above article says but why wouldn’t the RSox just have traded Mookie got 3 prospects and kept Price.
The extra $16 M they would be paying Myers is about what they would have paid to keep Price?
Why wouldn’t they just have traded Price to SD for Myers and Quantrill straight up?
They may have even been able to get more for Betts from LAD if Price wasn’t in the LAD deal.
LAD could have kept Maeda at a lower cost.
I understand you get done what you can but sometime I think these convoluted 3 or 4 team trades are very strange.
rycm131
2 words…The Astros
SG
The Astros?
What does that mean?
looiebelongsinthehall
SO. You forgot that Myers’ cost against the threshold is very little. Team needed to shed half of Price’s cost.
looiebelongsinthehall
Also the Padres wanted Mookie, not Price.
Javia
The problem is that the Sox didn’t get any pitchers or pitching prospects. They should have demanded one in the Betts trade. Now it seems a Myers trade is their only real option for picking up any quality pitching right now, just like the article says.
Javia
Half of Price’s contract counts $16 million against the cap. Half of Myers contract is $11.25 million, only $3.8 million of which counts against the cap.
San Diego wouldn’t have traded Myers and Quantrill for Price. They want to trade Myers to get rid of payroll.. Trading him for Price adds payroll. They sure wouldn’t also give the Sox Quantrill as well just for the privilege of adding payroll.
g8752
When I look at this article it’s entirely clear to me just how bad many long-term baseball contracts are. It reminds me of the movie The Big Short when they were creating subprime bond funds by putting all the dogs in one fund and calling it subprime or in other words sh-t. I have to believe that whoever thought up this scheme had to be pulling our leg? can you imagine the prospect of Wil Myers in Boston playing right field and looking like a deer in the headlights out there again?
SG
If the SDP were so concerned about payroll why did they sign Hosmer and Machado?
Why would they give up Quantrill just to dump Myers?
Very strange logic.
steve dolan
The Red Sox gave up a season in order to save money and get below the luxury tax threshold. Now that they have approximately 13mm to spend, I think they would be completely foolish to spend it anywhere other than their most glaring need, starting pitching.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Trade JD Martinez for pitching. He was pretty adamant that he will opt out after 2020.