At first glance, the Athletics didn’t really do much of note this winter. The club retained southpaw Jake Diekman and picked up infielders Tony Kemp and … picked up a club option over Yusmeiro Petit and … umm …. signed Ryan Goins to a minor-league deal.
Viewed through another lens, though, the notoriously low-budget A’s had a blockbuster, all-in offseason. Which lens is that? The one through which Red Sox owner John Henry views the game of baseball.
After trading away homegrown superstar Mookie Betts, Henry conveyed his cherished memories of Stan The Man for brownie points with the Boston fanbase. Saying his young heart would’ve shattered had childhood hero Stan Musial “ever been traded — for any reason,” the now-grown Henry … well, gave some reasons why Betts was sent west by one of the richest teams in sports.
It wasn’t about getting under the Competitive Balance Tax threshold, Henry says. Rather, it’s just the sort of thing that is foisted upon MLB teams — even those “consistently among the highest-spending clubs in baseball” — by the collective bargaining agreement (a deal those same teams negotiated to their general advantage).
The Red Sox, per Henry, were forced to “make hard judgments about competing for the future as well as the present.” Their hands were tied by the fact that, “In today’s game there is a cost to losing a great player to free agency — one that cannot nearly be made up by the draft pick given.” Ultimately, Henry said of the organization’s leadership: “we could not sit on our hands and lose [Betts] next offseason without getting value in return to help us on our path forward.”
There are many ways to approach and discuss these comments. For our purposes here, we’re not even going to consider what they mean for the Red Sox or the game of baseball. There’s no need to call for pitchforks; that statement has already had its day in the news cycle anyway. The Boston club certainly has spent and put a winner on the field of late. And Henry at least fessed up to the fact that the team simply decided to punt near-term performance for future value, even if he didn’t want to acknowledge the rather obvious financial component of that calculus.
What’s most interesting to me about the comments is that … holy smokes, the Oakland Athletics really believe! If Henry is to be taken at his word, then the A’s are making one heckuva roll of the dice by keeping, rather than trading, their own pending free agent star: shortstop Marcus Semien.
True, Semien almost assuredly isn’t as good as Betts, but the former actually contributed a full fWAR more than the latter in 2019. Semien is only earning $13MM, just under half the $27MM Betts will receive. But it’s a much bigger portion of the Oakland payroll than Betts was to the Boston budget. (That’s true just based upon simple math, but that tends to undersell the impact. The A’s have to consider every dollar spent over league minimum, while the Red Sox have far greater operating leeway to shoehorn in cost-efficient but more-than-minimum players.)
What of the odds of success in 2020, which is obviously a huge component of this decision? The Red Sox are well behind the Yankees on paper. But the A’s are chasing an uber-talented Astros team that remains mighty even without its crack signals operations unit. Both of these teams are unlikely to take their division, but each is a solid Wild Card contender. Fangraphs’ postseason odds aren’t gospel and obviously must be taken only as a guide to true roster capability (as they are intended) … but wait, how does this make sense? The Red Sox, sans Betts, project at about a coin flip of making the postseason. That tops the A’s, even with Semien! You might quibble with the projections and point to the upside on the Oakland roster. But don’t the Red Sox still have Chris Sale and Xander Bogaerts and Andrew Benintendi and Rafael Devers?
So, even as the Red Sox determined they couldn’t “sit on [their] hands and lose” Betts without adequate compensation after the coming season, the Athletics decided to keep Semien in roughly analogous circumstances. Well, analogous from a roster talent and postseason odds perspective. The low-budget A’s are the sort of team that’s typically forced to take its Betts-type players off the table on the rationale set forth by Henry, even if it stings, in order to preserve a long-term flow of talent and keep up with deeper-pocketed rivals. Instead, they’re letting their version of Betts ride.
It’s quite the juxtaposition. Perhaps the A’s still have designs on a Semien extension, but it’s far from inevitable and we haven’t heard indication that a deal is particularly likely. And if one is to be struck, it’ll require convincing him to forego free agency … which will assuredly require the kind of price that makes the A’s squirm (even if they can now finally see a new ballpark on the horizon). A mid-summer trade fall-back is available but isn’t exactly plan A. All things considered, in relative terms, the situation is quite similar to that which would’ve faced the Red Sox on Betts.
Look, I don’t really have a Take here. I’m not here to call the Oakland front office reckless or label Henry’s explanation feckless. My point is only this: given those two teams’ divergent approaches, doesn’t Henry’s statement suggest that one or the other is true?
DarkSide830
what
Cubsfan0331
I am also at a loss
delete
The reason everyone is so confused is that once again MLBTR failed to properly label an article as a feature/analysis/opinion on a site people come to primarily or exclusively for baseball rumors.
Strike Four
This also isnt a analysis/opinion, by the writers own word there is no opinion here, and I still don’t know what any of this means, so is Oakland going to sign Betts in the offseason?
Jeff Todd
I understand why some won’t want to read this or don’t like it, but it seems obviously not a news story just from the title alone. And it only gets more evident from there, no?
delete
It’s a clever title but I clicked on it expecting to read something about how the Athletics were unexpectedly preparing to enter the Mookie Betts bidding next off-season. I wish it said FEATURE: or ANALYSIS: before the title like many major media outlets now do.
Jeff Todd
Oh, gotcha. That possibility honestly didn’t occur to me at all — definitely wasn’t trying to con people into clicking.
For the most part we try to make things pretty clear with headlines.
ChapmansVacuum
Oak has an opt out in 2023 on the TV deal allowing them to get a new much higher priced deal with a competitive team in a new park. John Fisher has some of the deepest pockets in baseball, hence the self funded stadium. The team should reasonably be able to extend Simien on a slightly backloaded deal, and extend Chapman and Olson if they like since they will mostly be paying the bigger dollars in the new park and TV deal world in a top 3 market for both TV and nearby population and some of the highest earners in the country.
delete
My opinions about the labelling are strong and I will continue to advocate, but please don’t confuse that with dissatisfaction with your work or lack of appreciation for what you do. I’m a big fan.
Jeff Todd
Will consider. Don’t want to mislead.
Appreciate it!
dan-9
I really like that the site is branching out into more analysis-based articles, but with it, I think the site could use some sort of UI/UX makeover. The blog-style format is good for a news feed, but I think with different types of stories and articles, you should try out a different layout, so that more thoughtful, less time-sensitive content isn’t immediately lost as soon as some article titled “Mariners Consider Minor League Deal For Player You’ve Never Heard Of” or something gets posted and crowds it out from the top of the page. I’m not a web designer or anything, but I think it would be great if these longer-form articles had a longer visibility.
User 4245925809
Thought was good in of itself as to how players/stars were looked at during another time as to now.
I know myself how would have thought had Yaz been moved only half a dozen seasons into his career, when he was putting up 40HR seasons, winning batting titles and had just won an ultra rare triple crown, then there was NO FA and the game was ran with an iron fist at the time, better or worse. Players had no choice on where to play and fans could afford to attend a game.
sufferforsnakes
To many, the obvious is not easily obvious.
(yeah, I just came up with that)
Expos 94
Yeah it does. This is excellent analysis and generally just thought-provoking #content. Personally, I’d love to see more of this on mlbtr but that’s just my opinion. When you do it, it’s excellent and rates with the best baseball writing available.
What’s weird is folk getting fussy about it being “out of the norm” for mlbtr. Yeah, sure, it is. Also, I don’t recall visiting this article behind a paywall or there ever having been a contract that all articles would be about precisely what I wanted them to be about.
So
looiebelongsinthehall
Jeff, why didn’t the article compare the state of each team’s minor league system, especially near MLB ready talent? Regardless of what Henry says, we can’t just ignore the original mandate to get under the tax threshold and the fact that once JDM opted in, Boston had no other choice if resetting was still a “goal”. I have more problems with the team not re-signing Holt once they got under the threshold than I do trading Betts.
Expos 94
“ Regardless of what Henry says, we can’t just ignore the original mandate to get under the tax threshold” lol what??? The original mandate came from Henry. What part of what he says is to be disregarded? And why? What on earth are you talking about. Seriously, the mental gymnastics are incredible
earmbrister
So beisbol, you would’ve gone about it differently. So what! Call it literary license. Don’t know why you and others are getting their undergarments in a wad based on having to read something to understand it.
Great job Mr. Todd.
looiebelongsinthehall
Expos, please clarify your criticism. Henry now wants us to believe the trading of Betts was more to get back talent. I agree that was part of the objective but resetting the tax was more so because it theoretically makes it realistically possible to sign him next year (never happening). No team can exceed it every year as the non-financial penalties are so big. They knew 2020 was coming but likely expected JDM to leave.
JoeBrady
You know, you closed out with something that might’ve made a better title:
Feckless or Reckless?
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
I like it when I read a well reasoned insightful baseball article…
This wasn’t one of those times.
Wally-the-green-monster
You’re dissatisfied with this free service…LOL!
Subscribe to the Athletic.
andremets
There is no scenario where the A’s would have traded for Mookie, so you should known better when you saw the headline
MoRivera 1999
@sufferfortribe
“To many, the obvious is not easily obvious.”
Agreed. I don’t get the utter confusion of those who could not understand what this article was about. It was completely obvious from the get-go. Nor do I understand the confusion and criticism directed at Jeff Todd. In thinking about the confusion many had about this obvious article I have to repeat the opening salvo: What (sic, no question mark)
Here’s a hint about what this article is about: Should the A’s trade Semien for the same reason the Sox traded Betts, to avoid being left with nothing but a low round draft pick?
There. Wasn’t that easy?
looiebelongsinthehall
Personally no thanks. No reason to pay unless being first is important to you. Others soon have whatever is important. Anyone ever look at their credit card monthly statement and add up subscriptions? My extravaganza on daily reading is my local newspaper. I realize others may laugh at that so to each his own. I just look forward to reading print on paper over reading more print on a screen.
SG
looiebelongsinthehall
I agree.
Thought RSox would sign Holt after they got under the threshold as well.
Perazza made Holt a bit redundant and perhaps it also was the fact that they already have a surplus of lefty bats?
Holt is a class act and for $3.25 M is was great insurance for small money.
Maybe they have a SP in mind they need the $ for?
Maybe JBJ will be the next to go?
SG
Jeff Todd.
Hope we see more articles like this.
I really helps to think outside the box and question why?
Great job asking questions like this?
Benjamin Chase
Mo4ever, the issue being that the A’s compensation pick could be as many as 100 spots higher than a potential compensatory pick for the Red Sox is a consideration that also merited discussion, but it never was brought forth…
amk3510
The Athletics are placing a bet on winning this season by keeping pending free agent Marcus Semien. As opposed to trading him at his highest value like the Red Sox did with Betts.
delete
It is a feature. I was also pointing out that opinions and analysis are not properly labelled.
yukongold
It is more a bug than a feature now. See the complaints filed above.
MoRivera 1999
beisbolista
I usually agree with you but this is not a big deal except for those who make it so. I just don’t get the fuss. It was perfectly obvious what the intent and meaning of the article was. Who cares how it’s labeled??
yukongold
Hardly the level of a bug. As I said above: who cares and why? Much Ado About Nothing.
InPolesWeTrust
Smoke em if ya got was apparently taken literally in the editor’s office.
Jelvisdela
Can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the things?
redsoxu571
Pretty simple, actually: the author decided to (gently) join the dogpile/beatdown of the Boston Red Sox by insinuating that they’re either full of bunk or have decided to go cheap.
What the author managed to go an entire long article without MENTIONING IN THE SLIGHTEST is that there likely is an ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DIFFERENCE between Betts and Semien: Boston’s action imply that they know Betts was on the way out. Forget whether Betts goes to the highest bidder – it’s also possible that he presented a clear intent to move on from Boston, perhaps with one or more specific destinations in mind.
Semien likely hasn’t decided yet on what he will aim to do next offseason, and possibly has even presented to Oakland that he would like to stay. A LOT of baseball players value staying in their organization, given the benefits of stability, a fixed home location, etc, not to mention the baseball appeal of a single-team legacy. Betts, in no way negatively, almost surely has other prioritizes. Good for him. But that has a tremendously impact on the thinking of teams, and to pretend otherwise is terribly dishonest.
P.S. Sorry for the bolds, that isn’t volume but rather just a highlight. Best I can do with the tools of this comments section 🙂
MoRivera 1999
I don’t think for a minute that Jeff Todd was questioning Boston’s trade of Betts to LA. (I don’t think many people do.) If anything he was only maybe sorta questioning what the actual vs the official reason for it was. But more importantly was the juxtaposition of this with the non-move in Oakland. It is worth noting that regardless of whether Semien would like to stay in Oakland, if he has a year north of 5 WAR there is no way Oakland will pay enough for him. And then he’s gone for a low level pick. I think that’s part of what Todd was getting at.
Benjamin Chase
Once again, Semien could net the A’s a pick around 31-35. That’s not “low-level”.
Not Xabial
I’m so confused
Vanilla Good
You know comprehension does not run in your family.
ThisGuy 2
Great observation…and a great, original perspective of the Mookie trade
angelsinthetroutfield
Agreed. I find it a pleasant contrast that both teams are implementing a non traditional strategy this time around. I’m interested to see who ends up making the right decision.
The A’s came up empty with the Donaldson deal so it’s possible that played some role in their decision with Semien
drgntrnr
I’m gonna say it has more to do with the fact that the competitive window is now wide open, whereas with Donaldson the team was blown up after that season.
angelsinthetroutfield
IIRC the team was in the ALDS with Donaldson the year prior to trading him. They were certainly still in a window of competition
drgntrnr
Not really, the teams were good but held together with duct tape and gum. Blew it up hoping to catch lightning in a bottle, and it just failed.
These teams are much more solid and have enough years of control left on guys, with the major prospects just now making their way up. Semien only has a year left, so he won’t fetch a ton if he were traded anyways, no huge track record for a year like he had last year. More value to just hope he does just as well this season, and it’s enough to carry the team to the WS, instead of some middling prospects.
Plus the team has really had to push to keep more players, the fanbase is not havin it. They’ve finally had the luxury to keep a good team together without trading guys off. Even if they don’t resign Semien, keeping a guy like him around provides more value to the fanbase.
passed_balls
I read this article twice and still don’t understand what the author’s point is.
elmedius
I think that it’s that the A’s made the opposite choice that the Red Sox made regarding their own best player that just happens to only have one year left in his contract before FA… but that’s assuming Billy Beane isn’t going to be himself and trade away his top talent if a team friendly extension can’t be worked out.
earmbrister
Oh my god people, it’s not that hard (reading is fundamental). Thanks elmedius for spelling it out for the challenged.
MoRivera 1999
Exactly. Duh to those who didn’t get it. With all the bright baseball people around here (half the reason I come around), I am gobsmacked that there is so much confusion and consternation. My lord.
InPolesWeTrust
It could’ve been written in four sentences but the masses need to be feed…..
Jeff Todd
If I wanted to feed the masses there’s no way I’d have written this.
myaccount
Boston = huge payroll, trading away star
Oakland = minuscule payroll, keeping star
It’s pretty obvious.
Strike Four
Betts and Semien aren’t the same level of “star” though. In fact if Semien regresses this year he will probably have to take a QO.
We all know Semien’s defensive metrics are 100% because of Matt Olson scooping half his throws masterfully. Matt Olson is the best defensive 1B the game has ever seen.
MoRivera 1999
Who cares if Betts and Semien aren’t the same level of star? The point stands. There is still a risk that the A’s lose Semien for a couple of baseballs. That’s the point. The implied question left on the table is: what do you think they should do? But everyone is talking about what the article means and whether it was properly labeled instead. SMH.
Personally, I think they should at least have vigorously shopped him to see what they could have gotten. They could always turn it down. Now they wasted winter and have no idea.
alejandro 3
Yeah it’s just pointing out that two teams in starkly different financial positions made moves (or non moves in the A’s case) that seem contrary to their respective financial positions. I think a subtext could be the Red Sox really are doing it for primarily financial reasons despite their public explanations since the move (while still trying to maintain a solid foundation to build on in the near future). And the A’s are going for a win now approach at the risk of risking future talent gain by not capitalizing on simien’s trade value. It’s certainly an interesting issue to keep on eye on how the “moves” pan out for the teams immediately and in coming seasons.
MoRivera 1999
Thank you for understanding the article and explaining it. So many needed it.
SalaryCapMyth
@strike four. You didnt read the entire article did you? If you had you would have seen in the 7th paragraph the writer clearly communicates Semien is not as good as Betts.
His point, or at least a big point is that Semien is the Oakland equivalent of Betts. He has one more year with the A’s so they won’t get anything for him other than what a QO gets them and his salary is a significant portion of the A’s payroll. This is when the A’s typically trade their stars so not moving him, for the A’s, is a big statement.
tjmacari
Ramblings of a madman?
MoRivera 1999
Why so hard to understand? Instead of offering a puerile critcism, perhaps you could have offered your own opinion as the what you think 1) about the Red Sox’s decison and 2) the A’s non-decision. That would have had a purpose.
Rangers29
Huh… is this trying to say they are releasing Semien to sign Betts? Said by John Henry, owner of the Red Sox… Huh
Vanilla Good
Nope
MoRivera 1999
How the heck could you ever get that from this article?
TrumpCard
Juxtaposition?!!? Analogous?!!? Im sorry i can only count to 10 at this age
le r.
It’s obvious the big $ club is doing what historically the financially challenged teams do.
Kind of a role reversal. Go A’s!
yankeesnycrd
The question is, was the author sober when writing this? What on earth did I just read lol
Jeff Todd
I was … may not be for long
phillip beasley
It was a good read Jeff. Thank you.
SalaryCapMyth
Jeff..I feel for you guys, sometimes. I thought it was a good compare contrast but some how there are even some readers who think you are saying that the A’s are going to acquire Betts some how.
MoRivera 1999
“there are even some readers who think you are saying that the A’s are going to acquire Betts some how.”
I know right???
MoRivera 1999
Yes. Perfectly sober. Clearly. It was not that hard to understand and it would have been more useful for you to share your opinions on the decisions the Red Sox and A’s made than this pointless criticism.
M’s is for maybe
I understand what you’re trying to say.
Here’s the thing. Internal discussions are not privy to us. You don’t know if Betts even liked Boston or not, and publicly he would never say and neither would the front office. That of course is purely speculation but!
If conversations exist and the desired commitment of each party and their desires are differing then it makes all the difference. Sure, you might say then why not extend? But if the player says, I want to test the waters to make sure fair market value is seen and acknowledged by both parties for fairness it can be all that it is and nothing more.
But those inside convos are never gonna come to light- and strategically speaking those guys know their cards better than we do.
MoRivera 1999
And that leads to typical hot stove discussions, which so many seem to missing all of a sudden. And these are otherwise mostly smart baseball people.
Rangers29
Jeff Todd!!! How much were you paid to write this!?!? I have read it three times, and even though it is well written (grammar and punctuation wise), why did this have to be an article!?!? I love your writing, and you do a great job with Youtube, but this article is like somebody holding up a sign about how the world will end in 5 days. What is this?
Rangers29
Ok wait… 4th time might have done it… Are you proposing that the A’s not trading Semien, will, in turn, not get them anybody good back in a hypothetical Semien trade. Which in turn, makes the A’s not pay anybody they are getting back in a hypothetical Semien trade. Which in turn, gives them even more…. lack of money… making it better to sign Betts….. This is some Saw puzzle level confusion.
Jeff Todd
Haha no man, I just took a convoluted path to a simple observation about how Henry’s reasoning for the Red Sox applies to the Athletics’ handling of Semien.
Vanilla Good
Dude, it’s a play (A PUN) on Betts’ last name. The A’s placed their BET on this season by keeping Marcus Semien, when they could have traded him and got some pieces for the future. The Red Sox decided not to place their BET with Mookie BETTS. They traded him. See how those are almost the same word?
SoCalStuntman
You’re the reason why 90% of the comments on this site are absolutely ridiculous!
Strike Four
“Look, I don’t really have a Take here.” – none of us can because this piece is complete nonsense and also LOL at anyone who thinks the Astros are going to win the west over Oakland this season – if you cant see this coming from a mile away, then you just are biased against Oakland.
Jeff Todd
Okay, a simple wrong would’ve done just fine, but …
YankeesBleacherCreature
Oh he’s just getting warmed up.
Strike Four
Betts is a legit superstar and has been for years, Semien is (so far) a 1-year wonder who’s sudden ride in defensive ability is 100% connected to Matt Olson being the maybe the best defensive 1B ever. Semien easily could regress into having to accept a QO, these aren’t good examples to compare with to begin with.
This makes sense is youre talking about Matt Chapman and Betts though, but that’s not what’s happening.
MoRivera 1999
“Matt Olsen being maybe the best defensive 1B EVER”
Well there you go.
AND the A’s are going to run away with the division. Well why play the game. The Astros are not the same team but they are not chopped liver. It should still be a race, because the A’s are not the gods you portend them to be.
RootedInOakland
Cool article and I agree one is true, it’s that Henry’s explanation is feckless. The Mookie trade was a pure admission that the pitching wasn’t good enough to win now or in the near future, and that after some bad FA deals there wasn’t anymore budget to make more win-now moves to compete in October. If Boston truly was a contender with an open window they would’ve kept and eventually tried to resign Mookie in the offseason, just like the A’s are doing with Semien. Wish Marcus nothing but the best if he tests FA but I think he wants to be a career long Oakland Athletic and a true East Bay legend like Marshawn. And more importantly I think ownership sees the importance in keeping the hometown hero for a new stadium in 2023, even if that means giving the first $100M+ contract in org history and in the future trading Chapman in a deal similar to the Betts one.
MoRivera 1999
Agree with your point about Betts. On Semien, some wishful thinking. Not saying he WON’T sign with the A’s, but if he repeats last year’s performance, he’s on the move.
Hecubot
Apparently the author is simply noting that the A’s held their free-agent-to-be while the Red Sox traded theirs.
As for the lack of activity for the A’s in the offseason, they are counting on the following additions to a team which has won 97 games the last two seasons: A full season of Luzardo, a full season of Puk, a full season of Sean Murphy, a full season of Frankie Montas.
Also note, the A’s only got about 120 games out of Matt Olson, Mark Canha and Ramon Laureano last year. So pencil them in for a full year.
Add in just the possibility that Piscotty and Khris Davis bounce back. Now note that the back end of their rotation (by talent) includes Sean Manea and Mike Fiers (who’ve both thrown no-hitters). Also, their third best pitcher last year, (Bassitt) is a swingman now..
This A’s team is significantly better than the ones that won 97 games the last two years.
Do they have a hole at second? They’ll find somebody better than Profar was last year.
Jeff Todd
Yep, mostly this: “Apparently the author is simply noting that the A’s held their free-agent-to-be while the Red Sox traded theirs.”
That, and the fact that the Red Sox owner basically suggested it would be completely irresponsible not to have traded Betts.
TrotNixonIsMyHero
Thanks for your point of view Jeff. You are entitled to it 🙂
I appreciate that you are giving us some material around perceived front office thinking. I never looked at the similarities between Oakland and Boston until you brought it up.
I would imagine that finding legitimate content for a rumors website is not always available yet the MLBTR followers seem to need regular articles daily to keep them happy. I know I do. .
The article was not that hard to understand and I don’t think you deserved such a negative backlash. Its easy to be cruel sitting behind a keyboard.
Looking forward to your “take” on other front office moves and stay groovy 🙂
Jeff Todd
I don’t mind taking heat when I do something dumb or weird!
ChapmansVacuum
Not a ton of transaction speculation on the day of the first games of spring training, Im shocked lols.
MoRivera 1999
Jeff Todd
As TrotNixonIsMyHero said, “I never looked at the similarities between Oakland and Boston until you brought it up.”
I understood the article and appreciated it. I thought it was labeled just fine.
MoRivera 1999
So there are going to be no injuries, everyone will work a full season, and Piscotty and Davis will bounce back. And monkees will fly out of my butt.
Melchez
I call bs. If it was just the Red Sox afraid of losing Betts to free agency and them wanting to get the most value back in return, then why include Price who was going to lower the return? Does MLBTR’s give an award for “Clickbait Writer of the Year”? Jeff Todd is leading.
Jeff Todd
What do I get if I win?
Rangers29
Catfish bait.
hiflew
Sorry, you don’t really have a realistic chance in a world where Yahoo still exists.
SoCalStuntman
Ehhh we’ll gladly take Mookie off your hands, Mr. Henry!! Thank you!!
trace
umm okay
TwinsHomer
I’m not trying to hate on yuh Jeff… but this article had such a weird tone. I get what you’re trying to say but don’t get the point. It’s like drawing zigzags to connect the A’s and Boston. Semien to Betts isn’t all that comparable in my eyes. Very different career paths and very different players. Also A’s could always trade Semien away at the deadline for a haul if he continues his upward trajectory….
Jeff Todd
All good, appreciate the feedback. Tried to explain the concept in some other comments!
YankeesBleacherCreature
And his roughly $6M salary later is much easier to absorb for the receiving team whether they’re over the threshold or not. The A’s relative payroll isn’t a worthy consideration for a player with Semien’s trade value.
Jeff Todd
The A’s could’ve moved Semien and his 13 mil for a return generally akin to the Betts deal … i.e. including some cost-efficient MLB talent (like Verdugo) … and then reinvested the 13 mil into cost-efficient veterans they like.
That’s more or less what the Brewers did, except not with a star player. Instead, the A’s kept the (relatively) expensive star.
Of course Semien is tradeable mid-season. So was Betts, even at his salary. Teams make mid-season deals with much greater information, so going over the luxury line may not be as worrisome.
Issue with trading either player as a backup plan is that it’s hard to do so unless you are really buried. Obviously neither team would’ve anticipated that — in all likelihood they should be in striking distance for a WC at least.
ChapmansVacuum
The Astros are a Verlander arm problem and a McCullers setback away from being extremely vulnerable.
MoRivera 1999
The A’s have similar vulnerabilities given the number of games several of their starters played last year.
MoRivera 1999
Twins Homer
So you’re agreed that the A’s should go for a couple of baseballs for Semien simply because he’s not Mookie Betts, and not shop him at all to see if they could fair better? Got it. Thanks for playing.
Cuso
Huh?
falconsball1993
This isn’t a difficult article to understand. The A’s who usually trade their impending free agents to get value, have opted to keep Semien. The more financially powerful Red Sox have done the opposite and have opted to get value for a player they weren’t likely to keep. That it’s a flip flop of traditional strategy. That’s literally all it’s saying.
Jeff Todd
Somebody gets me!
Yes. And I found Henry’s strongly phrased reasoning — basically, we had to do this! — especially interesting given that inversion.
Avory
@Jeff Todd
What I didn’t get was the close, which seems to indicate that Henry’s actions indicate that there is a right or wrong path to handling this kind of situation. I don’t think this is the case.
As a Tribe fan, I’m told we’re staring down the barrel of a gun with Francisco Lindor.
No, we’re not. You’re only in trouble if you don’t have these kinds of talents on your team to worry about.
Either you trade the guy for a boatload of controllable young talent, or you have a player in a free agent drive in the prime of his career. What’s not to like?
The Indians are sitting pretty with Lindor either way.. We use him to add depth to the organization or we keep him to compile another two fabulous years and let him go secure in the knowledge we probably got the best seven years of his career for $40 million. Let someone else pay him $350 million into his declining years.
Why even draft and develop guys like Francisco Lindor or Mookie Betts if you don’t play them out OR you make someone overpay for the talent they represent? Me, if I’m the Red Sox, I play him out (and I hope the Indians do that with Lindor), but I don’t blame the Red Sox for trading him away IF they feel they got greater value in the long run.
yankeesnycrd
Great summarization, makes complete sense now!
Strike Four
It’s just the headline that’s confusing people, it should read “In Semien, the Athletics have placed their Betts.” or “Oakland and Boston: Exchanging Paths?” something like that.
Vanilla Good
It’s only confusing if you don’t understand puns.
DockEllisDee
I get this piece, although it reads as a conversation I’d have with my buddy after a session of bong rips. I almost it needs a poll at the end, as in “which team has the more sound philosophy regarding their top player as they near free agency?” Idk, I think it’s a good read, don’t know why everyone is being so critical.
Jeff Todd
I take the bong rips comment as high praise!
lowtalker1
What is this? This post seems jumbled and honestly should exist
lowtalker1
Should not exist
MoRivera 1999
Had you thought of the comparison between the Red Sox and A’s decisions before? I bet not. Is there NO reason to consider the Red Sox decision? Is there NO reason to consider the A’s non-decision? Might you not comment on that instead? Have you nothing useful to say about it?
“What is this? This post seems jumbled and honestly should (not) exist”
This could be said ot that comment.
wbz41
Former/latter
Frisco500
The former and the latter – Is this some type of brand new terminology? I have never heard….. oh wait!!
Jeff Zanghi
I’m not usually one to bash articles on here… But this is literally just a massive rambling bunch of nothing. Not only does it not have any point whatsoever. But the situations aren’t even the same. For one the Athletics still think and hope they can resign Semien long-term whereas the Sox were resigned to the fact they couldn’t retain Betts. Secondly the A’s aren’t up against the biggest penalties of the luxury tax line for repeat offenders — so one they don’t need to move the salary imminently to avoid it and additionally the compensation pick they’ll receive if Semien rejects a QO and signs elsewhere is 4 rounds better than that which the Sox would’ve gotten for Betts (because of Luxury tax – and revenue sharing related specifics)
So basically… not only is this article just rambling non-sense. The point it’s even “attempting” to bring to light isn’t even correct. The two situations just flat out aren’t the same. Period.
Jeff Todd
Respect your view. But …
Henry says it wasn’t about the CBA!
And your “the A’s can still sign Semien; the Red Sox couldn’t sign Betts” might just be another way of saying “the A’s might still hope they can get Semien to take sub-market value; the Red Sox didn’t think they could get Betts to sell himself short.”
I don’t think the A’s premised their retention of Semien on an extension. Unless they had/have reason to believe he’s going to take a really big discount.
Mick1956
@Jeff Todd – It’s really cool that you are answering so many comments on here and interacting with frequent commenters. That’s something we don’t see often and resonates with this site’s fans. Thank you for doing that, even while taking some undeserved criticism!
MoRivera 1999
If Semien repeats last year’s performance there is pretty much NO HOPE that the A’s will resign him. They could at least have shopped him this winter to see what they could get. That would have been prudent.
This is the kind of discussion the article sought to engender. It did except people sought fit to bash the article at length instead. As if they are editorial masterminds. (You aren’t.)
The nonsense is your response, not the article itself.
Rangers29
Hey Jeff Todd, thanks for getting down here and answering some of our comments, it has cleared up this article a lot more!
qazer
Jeff, as you can see you aimed too high over the head of many readers. In the future, all opinion pieces should make one of the following two points.
– X is awesome and fantastic.
– X is terrible and awful.
Anything more complicated than that… Well, see above.
Rangers29
How many times did you read this article?
Jeff Todd
It was obscure, I admit. I understand why it didn’t land for a lot of people. But hey, every now and then we have to try something just a little bit different.
MoRivera 1999
Jeff, it wasn’t obscure. We just have a case of mass delirium.
Mystic Rhythms
I read it once and had absolutely no trouble understanding it.
I’m quite disappointed that so many readers here are having so much trouble. It is a very easy to comprehend thought.
Maybe the high thought process at Yahoo is more these people’s speed.
MoRivera 1999
I read the article once. It was simple.
Ian80071
I remember when you guys used to report mlb news
Jeff Todd
Just one observation post based upon a recent news item.
Ian80071
An observation based on one transaction. Josh Donaldson trade, Chris Sale extension, both teams have made plenty of bad moves. We have Twitter for hot takes and this take is cold take anyway. Stick to news and rumors. Thanks
Jeff Todd
You got it boss.
richt
THIS
JustCheckingIn
Lmfao, you do realize all of your examples support Jeff’s take that this is odd…?
People wanna complain on a free site. Go pay for the athletic if you don’t like the FREE content. Jeez
MoRivera 1999
Speak for yourself. I guarantee you hadn’t thought of the connection between the Red Sox and A’s decision. Did you honestly think the A’s will resign him at the end of the season if he repeats 2019??? Did you think it’s a slam dunk they should accept a couple of baseballs for him next year?? What ARE your thought??? THAT’s what the article was about. SMH.
Rangers29
Hey Jeff, I have a new idea for an article on a slow day. For more casual baseball fans, make an article depicting different baseball jobs, and explaining what they are and how the people do them. For example, what a gm does, and then have a whole article (or series of articles) explaining the job of a gm. Or a scout. Or an owner.
I think they’d be a good set of articles, because it isn’t mlb news, it just shows you the inner-workings of an organization to let people know how hard it really is to run a baseball team.
(btw, I am in high school, and I am aspiring to be a front office worker for an mlb team, hopefully climbing the ranks to gm)
pasha2k
Jeff you make sense.
terry g
I took this article as the RS traded their best player and the A’s chose to hang on to theirs. Different owners, different outlook on the season.
MoRivera 1999
Yup. And my guess is pretty much no one here had thought about that.
johnnyringofwc
Maybe, but MS does have the local thing going from him, with him being from Cali and all.
That could be a factor.
Rangers29
Oh and btw can you make an article about how the A’s dropped their radio station, and are now the first team in a LONG time not to have radio broadcasts.
baseballfan1000
I heard about that. Where are they going to be broadcasting if they’re not on a radio station?
bigwestbaseball
The article made perfect sense for me. I am confused as to why so many just don’t get it!
bigwestbaseball
By the way, the title is amazingly clever! Great piece of writing.
gkrake
Agreed. Clever title. Well-written, interesting take. I appreciate the change of pace. Keep it up, Jeff!
richt
White knights out in force tonight. Either that or they’re MLBTR writer burner accounts.
Strike Four
The title makes it sound like the Athletics are going to take a run at Mookie Betts in free agency, which is not what this article is about.
MoRivera 1999
No. It doesn’t.
bryzzo_2016
This was a helluva stretch just to acknowledge the difference between a large market team trading a superstar(pending FA) while a small market team holds on to their… really good player(pending FA)… that has a much cheaper contract…. that also projects to make MUCH less on the open market than said superstar…. Soooo, do you think it’s possible that the A’s think they have a puncher’s chance at re-signing Semien? Perhaps it’s possible extension talks have already begun and are going well enough to make OAK think they might be able to extend him?
MoRivera 1999
If Semien repeats, the A’s pretty much have NO CHANCE of resigning, contrary to your assumption. In that case they will get a couple of baseballs. I think that’s part of what Jeff was getting at. Also, there is no sign that A’s are going to try to extend him. Well, no more sign than there was that they might try to trade him.
ALampUntoMyCleats
I really enjoyed the article! I like Jeff Todd’s writing and always appreciate it when a talented writer tries out different styles – especially during a slow news cycle time like this! It’s definitely an interesting note that the A’s – who usually try to maximize every dollar- are holding onto Semien, while the Red Sox – who are rich enough not to – willingly downgraded their roster in favor of future value. It’s a notable, albeit likely temporary, role revearsal!
Michigan&Trumbull
I thought it was a nice piece and it brought up good points. I really have no idea why some got aggravated over it to the point of leaving comments about the headline. Maybe they didn’t understand what a juxtaposition is…
Vizionaire
whoever signs semien in f/a will regret. we have seen many one year wonders.
Michael Chaney
He’s not a one year wonder though. His defense gives him a high floor no matter what (which is weird because he used to be a liability on defense), but there isn’t really much difference in his profile last year other than an increased walk rate.
Obviously the power jumped, but that’s the case for pretty much everyone. Even before last year, he was about an average hitter with 15-20 homer power who played good defense. If the walk rate can stay up and a little bit of the power increase is for real, that’s a really good player.
Vizionaire
so, would you invest 4/100 or more in f/a, if you were running a team? honest?
Michael Chaney
I don’t think he’s a $25 million a year player, but being more than a one year wonder doesn’t mean you have to be worth that much either. So in saying that I wouldn’t feel great giving him that deal, I still firmly believe that he’s not a one year wonder.
I see him in the 4-5 year range at around $16-20 million a year, give or take. I think if he signs a deal in that range, there would definitely be surplus value.
sportsguy1
No body in Oakland cares about the A’s.
Strike Four
No body in Oakland cares about people who spell nobody “no body”
Nobody in Oakland cares about you.
thornt25
This article was technically written in standard English.
JorgeMorales
Sorry, but the A’s not trading Semien is pretty smart, they got a bevy of SS prospects knocking at door, an extra roster spot to keep one of those and Nick Allen could be ready next year, his defense is ready now and would be upgrade to semien even, but has to see how he manages the A+-AA jump. Hardest to make in majors, hell guys tearing up AAA this year struggled in AA, so if Allen shows up he could be sept call up. Meanwhile Barretto and Mateo are out of options and both have lost significan trade value since Summer trade deadline when they combined for 26 trade value points and now are worth like 11 combined, the question should be why didn’t they trade one of Barretto or Mateo or Neuse. Plus Semien is only worth about 38 points and Betts was worth around 60-80, so maybe Redsox wouldnt have got back fair compensation in a draft pick, but the A’s are more than happy to get another year of a top 3 mvp player for half the price and if at worst recieve a 1st rd comp if he rejects 17.5$million qualifying offer, meanwhile they keep their leadership intact and Semien plays 162 games and is the hardest working player in the league which emaciates throught out the locker room, which makes others work equally as hard as well as Chappy. This wasnt a Bett, but a well placed money ball move!
MoRivera 1999
Dense response and I don’t entirely agree with it, but that’s entirely the kind of response the article was seeking to trigger. You win! The baffling confusion and nonsense whining of others is ridiculous and completely out of place. It destroyed what could have been an interesting thread.
Steve45
Did you write this entire piece just to rhyme “reckless” with “feckless”?
MoRivera 1999
And why did you write that comment?
JustCheckingIn
Do people not know what an analogy is? Jeez
I liked it Jeff honestly, logically you’d think Oak would be the one to trade a superstar pre free agency instead of letting him walk, while Boston would try to win yearly and take chance at just getting a pick
Really goes to say Henry’s statements are kinda BS IMO
DionysusThelxinoe
I’m the last person to say anything nice about anything Red Sox, but trading Betts for more value now was the right move and a brave one, too. Am I the only one who’s noticed that Bryce Harper signs a mega-contract with the Phils and they improved their record by an underwhelming one game? While the Nats win the World Series their first season without him!!! And Manny M moving to the Pads, how did that mega payout help them? They finished last in their division in ‘18 without him and they finished last in ‘19 with him. So while Betts sees all the money being reaped in free agency so you can’t blame him for opting out of Boston, the Red Sox are also seeing the end result for the teams signing these high-priced hitters and they’re rightfully saying “No thanks!”
MoRivera 1999
That’s the kind of response the article sough to trigger. Not the nonsense most people are writing. A possible good thread ruined for nothing.
richt
This article is such a stretch. Talk about grasping at straws.
JustCheckingIn
What!? How many stars have the As traded because they couldn’t afford them vs just letting them walk? It’s been their business model for 15+ years
Seimien is probably the first A to be in this position in a decade+. Chavez maybe?
And how many extensions did Boston give out? But can’t afford the diamond of them all suddenly?
Complainers wanna complain
jdodge22
Huh?
MoRivera 1999
Not that hard to understand. Maybe you need to re-read it. I didn’t.
downsr30
The article title was real bad here. I literally scrolled down to the comments to make sense of this article. After reading the first paragraph, I scrolled down to see if there was interesting info regarding the A’s trying to acquire Betts before the Dodgers deal went down. I think this whole thing could be cleared up with changing the article title to:
Things That Don’t Make Sense: Betts traded out of Boston, Siemien stays in Oakland.
JustCheckingIn
Why would the Mets get “details of Mets pursuit of Mookie Betts” when their attempts came out but the As title is a play on words, for the exact same topic? That makes beyond zero sense
jleve618
Yea. Even like 4 paragraphs in there wasn’t much on the A’s. I gave up after that so idk.
MoRivera 1999
@ downser30, jleve518
That’s on you, not Jeff Todd. Really, it wasn’t that hard. In fact, it was obvious.
mikefetters
I enjoyed the article. It’s really weird to see so many people had trouble understanding it. I guess they kind of wanted to understand, but not enough to actually read it?
deadspy3 2
Well, I liked this!
DeadPoetic
Thank you Jeff Todd for using the word analogous in this article. I had to look up what it meant, but it is a pretty dope word. You could say that this article was somewhat analogous to taking a writing course.
g8752
John Henry has managed to completely confused an already convoluted situation with these comments. Does anybody have any idea what he just said in the above quotes? or why he even said it? was he trying to say that Mookie Betts was no Stan Musial? or was he saying that when he was a boy they had this wonderful thing called a reserve clause which forced Stan Musial to stay on the St Louis Cardinals?
g8752
could it be the John Henry is adopting a spending philosophy similar to what Tampa Bay and Oakland used for years? could it be that teams that have adopted that Philosophy for years now see a new competitor with more money adopting their philosophy? you see keep in mind John Henry can play Moneyball whenever he wants or he can step on the accelerator and spend money whenever he wants because he’s rich. That gives the Red Sox a major advantage over many other the teams.
wwfinn
Yep, exactly.
bobbyo4
Bingo, folks sometimes forget that Henry loves the moneyball theme. As much as I hated to see Betts go, it was the smart thing to do. Price also had to go but this should have done after ’18 while his value was better. The reset had to be done but Henry/Werner simply just needed to not raise ticket prices & explain strategy in a more transparent way this offseason. Their PR & disconnect w/ most fans has always been mind-boggling & Kennedy doesn’t help.
MoRivera 1999
Better response to the article than 90% of the others here. You understood it. You analyzed it. You offered a cogent analysis, some questions, and an observation. I like it. Thanks.
shortytallz
This article has lots of words, but doesn’t say anything.
Strike Four
(Supposedly cheap) A’s keep star on his last year
(Extremely wealthy) Red Sox trade their star on his last year
Totally ignores the state and direction of both franchises (one on way up, one on way down) and why this was always going to happen. Does not offer any kind of conclusion.
The articles that need to keep being written is why Boston feels Mookie is not worth 12/420 when he absolutely is worth that, and probably double it if teams weren’t hiding how much money their owners make off them (including off field, indirect-MLB ventures).
shortytallz
Thanks for restating what I said but with more words and the added feature of worthless speculations.
MoRivera 1999
ANNNHHHT. Wrong answer.
wwfinn
Semien is a desirable player but his overall production is more in line with Jackie Bradley Jr than Mookie Betts. The risk of losing him to free agency is not as big of a gamble as with Mookie, who made it clear he wasn’t interested in pursuing an extension, and the A’s could still trade him. These are different organizations in different markets and only time will tell if either made the “right” call. Mookie notwithstanding, the Red Sox will continue to have a big payroll, albeit a more careful one.
SG
Exactly right.
Oakland will likely not offer a player a long term contract, and stay with that player for long, like Boston had done with Price.
To compare Oakland’s approach to Boston’s is apples and oranges.
John Henry announced a house cleaning the end of last season right after he dumped Dombrowski.
John Fisher of Oakland hasn’t, to my recollection, ever made a statement like John Henry made about clearing payroll.
Anybody that saw Moneyball knows Fisher sets a budget and sticks to it.
Billy Beene will play this Semien thing out until he works it exactly to the best deal he can get.
If he offers Semien a long term deal he knows he has a trade already sewed up for Semien and that the acquiring team getting Semien demands a long term deal in place before a trade.
Or Beene will wait until the trade deadline and trade Semien then, if the A’s are out of it.
Or Beene might just keep Semien, if the A’s are in it, and go for all the marbles and issue a QO to Semien after 2020 and get a draft pick for him next year.
Beene has more patience and balls than most primarily because his owner demands coming in at or under budget.
Boston fans, and it’s owner, demand excellence and don’t care as much about cost.
The interesting thing is when you see Oakland spend a fraction of what Boston spent in 2019 and have more wins.
From watching Moneyball you know John Henry admires value as well as winning.
wwfinn
Well said!
MoRivera 1999
wwfinn, SG
Good thoughtful responses to a thoughtful article.
Northeasternskier
Help Wanted. Naive Jackasses to write un-researched, un-informed articles for MLBTRADERUMORS.com
MoRivera 1999
Northeasternskier
“Help Wanted. Naive Jackasses to write un-researched, un-informed articles for MLBTRADERUMORS.com”
Says a jerk who has absolutely no writing or editorial qualifications or credentials. No thanks. I’d rather read MLBTR. Keep ’em coming, Jeff.
tigerdoc616
I enjoyed reading this. Thanks Jeff. It is an odd time when one of the biggest spending teams trades its best player fearing it would not get proper value when he left via free agency. Yet one of the lightest spending teams is holding it’s best player and, at the moment, not worrying about losing him via free agency or any return value.
But I have to wonder whether this also has to do with the state of each team’s farm system. Trader Dave did a number on the Boston farm system to build that last title team. We know all about that in Detroit. Not really sure the state of the Oakland farm system or if they have a knack of developing players and finding the proverbial diamond in the rough. So maybe they don’t fear losing a guy like Semien.
pickandersen
The fact that I understand this article when most people don’t makes me feel super smart, but in reality, it’s probably the other way around.
Really enjoyed this article. Puts things into perspective. I think Semien is an easier player to extend than Betts, so I’d say that’s the main reason why the latter was traded and the former’s name hasn’t even been discussed.
Manny's Pancakes
Good article. I wonder, though, why is it treated as a forgone conclusion that the Athletics are financially limited? While a lot of the money ball tactics might have been necessary 10-15 years ago, Oakland and the Bay Area is one of the most populous metropolitan markets in the country.
Put a perennial contender on the field and people will buy tickets!
SG
I’m guessing that Oakland is not as desirable a place to see a game vs. SF?
I’m also guessing that with MLB ticket prices going up big over the last 10-15 years that that’s a risk, for Oakland’s owner Fisher, that he’s not likely to take?
prov356
I hate it when I get a taste for something and drive all the way to the restaurant just to find it’s closed.
its_happening
Has Henry been asleep for nearly a decade and 3 GMs ago?
MoRivera 1999
That’s a better response to this article than 90% of the nonsense complaints I’m reading. Thanks.
dynamite drop in monty
I like the pretty lights.
TheAdrianBeltre
I was hoping for more speculative articles like this. You guys know baseball, and realistically I was wondering the same about Oakland and their SS. As opposed to what you hear, this was much better than a twitter rant.
TheAdrianBeltre
Wait, someone is using their knowledge to discuss something that we all love, as opposed to stuff we can all get from our media feeds! I’m learning too much! Boycott!! Boycott!!
JoeBrady
Just a couple of notes:
1-Some of this might have to do with windows of opportunity. The A’s are not going to compete every year, so they might be planning on 5-year segments. While the RS should compete every year, so they need to get the most value out of every contract, whether it is for one year or 6 years.
2-Semian only had one huge year. In his previous 6 years, his OPS was only .713. Betts, barring injury, is almost a lock for a 5+ WAR.
MoRivera 1999
Thanks for the intelligent response. It’s a breath of fresh air. (I still think the A’s should have at least shopped Semien. It’s not like they’re going to resign him if he repeats 8.1 WAR as some are suggesting as being behind what the A’s are thinking.)
chicagofan1978
Why are people ripping on this article? Read it or don’t. Nobody is paying to use this website. Jeez people complain just to complain
holecamels35
So far I’ve learned about 2 out of 10 commenters on here know how to read.
Lou Klimchock
Jeff, I appreciated this well-written piece on the state of baseball regarding player salaries and how that plays into a team’s decision on how they balance the rosters. I thought the headline was catchy and drew me into this commentary. I shook my head at some of the comments posted here. People seem to want things just handed to them instead of comprehending and analyzing the contest and then coming to their own conclusions. I found your muse refreshing.
Strike Four
Thanks, Jeff’s dad.
pater06
As an A’s fan, I thought this article was very interesting. I believe that the casual fan never goes deep enough to compare the two situations for a variety of reasons, but there are some striking similarities here that are very interesting – especially considering the different budgetary universes that these two teams operate in.
Strike Four – you’re embarrassing yourself and all other A’s fans on here with your blatant homerism and asinine “commentary.” Just stop. No one except you enjoys reading the garbage you spew out.
prov356
“analyzing the contest”
Lou – Did you mean “content”.
Lou Klimchock
Yes, Thank you.
Cooperdooper7
Personally…. Semien is 30 years old and up until last years Monster offensive season and improved defense, he has just been an average to slightly above ML shortstop. MLB Network had him 32nd in the top 100 players in Baseball which to me is a MAJOR stretch. He would be lucky to crack 100 until last year and you don’t base those rankings on 1 career year. Now if he repeats last year…. then maybe i would put him somewhere between 70 and 100…
MoRivera 1999
8.1 WAR makes people stand at attention.
madmc44
So what gets the most prospects: trading Betts now , at the deadline or if he signs elsewhere if he rejects the QO?
Who brings back the most prospects–Betts? JBJ?? Price??—-Betts of course
The answer Betts to all now.
If they got off their hands and Moved JBJ for Myers+ $15-30 M they get 3 more pieces.
Perhaps the Padres have come to the opinion that keepings Myers and prospects is better than making a trade.
MoRivera 1999
Not directly on point to the article but still better than 90% of the responses here, most of which express an inability or refusal to understand the meaning and purpose of the article. You raise interesting points/questions about JBJ/Myers. Can’t say I have an answer.
Nolan88
Did Tyson fury already get knocked out and then woke up to write a baseball article? My head hurts from even attempting to read this article of terrible construction.
MoRivera 1999
That’s a personal problem. “Did Tyson fury”? My head hurts from even attempting to read this comment of terrible construction.
whosehighpitch
I cannot decide which post is worse. This one or the Mookie Betts jersey swap. Horrible
MoRivera 1999
Well I’m glad you didn’t bother to tell us your opinions on the issues raised in the article.
SG
Jeff Todd.
Hope we see more articles like this.
It really helps to think outside the box and question why?
Great job asking questions like this?
g8752
Yes, agree 100%.
Jeff you did a great job asking questions like this.
southsidejoe14
A’s are unlikely to win the division??? I have them as the favorites.
Also, the author failed to take into consideration that short stop value is at an all-time low. It’s crazy how many very good short stops there are right now. The short stop position is literally deeper than 1B.
MoRivera 1999
The A’s could’ve shopped him around and found out what he would bring. They could always say no. Now they don’t know. If Semien has another 5+ WAR season, no way they are going to be able to keep him. They’ll be stuck with a low draft pick.
Daniel Andrews
The article is excellent, because it highlights what many still don’t understand and is forcing people to think. Teams like the A’s shouldn’t unload players like Semien at every single chance. The draft pick means more to an organization like the A’s when they are competing and can’t just unload salary and still be competitive. Also, if Semien accepts the QO it ends up being another year of control and for Semien that QO might be the best route to take.
Mick1956
Wait a minute! Mookie was traded from the Red Sox??
g8752
Jeff.
Here’s some other things to think about.
The penalty if a team goes over the cap and the multiple year penalty as well.
The AAV and average contract duration of each player on the team by team.
The annual team revenues.
The financial reasonableness of the player(s) you are bargaining with.
The risk a team and player take in such decisions.
Fangraphs is an estimate, as you correctly noted.
How does Boston lose Betts and Price, Oakland keep Semien, have a better record than Boston in 2019 and get ranked below Boston by Fangraphs for 2020?
Doesn’t that suggest Fangraphs projected way better results for Boston in 2019?
Sh-t and injuries and issues happen.
Might that not be way John Henry is skeptical?
The Rsox dump half Price. the SDP want to dump Myers at half price. Many team may be seeing risk in long term top dollar contracts?
When big income teams adopt a Moneyball approach little teams can’t as easily compete.
Maybe there’s a glut of SS’s in 2020 so it’s not as easy to move Semien?
Maybe teams see 1 year of Semien’s excellence as a fluke? And take a wait and see?
One things for sure.
It’s easier to get into a long term top dollar contract than to get out.
If this game was easy we’d have repeat championships.
Boston had only 4 in 15 years.
Has anyone else done better?
SG
How about a split on the degree of difficulty of the pitcher that a hitter faces to gets hits and RBI’s off of?
Right now we just count them as if they’re all equal.
But what if a player repeatedly ran up the count against a bad pitcher or a bad team or a team with a depleted over worked staff and bullpen?
I don’t think we should just assume that it will all equal out over time.
With all the metrics we have why not try to add this one to the list?
Perhaps a median measurement as well rather than just an average.
This will perhaps allow you to measure whom is a streak hitter rather than a day in and day out grind it out type player.
I know we have a well hit measurement.
Something along’st those lines.
Perhaps a way of measuring a Quality At Bat.