Apparently not content to let Jim Crane draw all the headlines for ownership comments worthy of skepticism, Red Sox principal owner John Henry, chairman Tom Werner and president/CEO Sam Kennedy on Monday all denied that the trade of Mookie Betts and David Price to the Dodgers was driven by a desire to dip south of the luxury tax barrier.
In a lengthy prepared statement released on Twitter, Henry appealed directly to Red Sox fans, speaking of the “extraordinary challenges” with which the team was faced this winter and praising the work of chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom, general manager Brian O’Halloran and the rest of the team’s baseball operations department.
Henry attempted to connect to the fan base by reminding that everyone in the ownership group was first a fan, thus making them empathetic toward the pain and frustration fans have voiced in the days since the trade. “I grew up a fan of the St. Louis Cardinals,” said Henry. “My favorite player was Stan Musial. My heart would have been broken if Stan the Man had ever been traded — for any reason.”
Sticking with the Musial thread, Henry went on to lament the unfair system that prevented Musial and other players from generations past from being paid at their market rate and present the decision to part with Betts as the type of choice all clubs are forced to make “in this economic system.” To quote Henry at greater length:
“We were faced with a difficult choice. You can talk about dollars. You can talk about metrics and value. But in the end, even though we are consistently among the highest-spending clubs in baseball — with this year being no exception — we have to make hard judgments about competing for the future as well as the present. … In today’s game there is a cost to losing a great player to free agency — one that cannot nearly be made up by the draft pick given. We’ve seen other examples of this recently. … We felt we could not sit on our hands and lose [Betts] next offseason without getting value in return to help us on our path forward. We carefully considered the alternative over the last year and made a decision when this opportunity presented itself to acquire substantial, young talent for the years ahead.”
Werner suggested that the team had other ways to shed salary if that had been the main goal, noting that they could “hypothetically” have traded Price without moving Betts as well (Twitter link via WEEI’s John Tomase). Kennedy at least appeared to acknowledge that the financial element of the trade played a role, noting that the trade wasn’t “exclusively” about resetting the team’s penalty level (Twitter link, with video, via NBC Sports Boston):
“There are clearly certain advantages by resetting and getting under [the luxury tax], but we’ve tried to be clear that this was not exclusively about the CBT and getting under that CBT threshold. There would’ve been other ways to have done that. You don’t trade Mookie Betts to get under the CBT. We traded Mookie Betts and David Price and got back significant value in return.”
Of course, all of this comes fewer than five months after Henry said unequivocally that the Red Sox “need to be under” the $208MM luxury tax threshold for the upcoming 2020 season (link via the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier). “We’ve known for some time now we needed to reset [the penalties by staying under the threshold], as other clubs have done,” Henry said as recently Sept. 27.
Months later, Henry tried to walk that statement back, emphasizing that the team was more focused on “competitiveness” than resetting its luxury penalty in 2020. Red Sox brass will surely argue that the team is indeed better-poised to compete over the next half decade with Alex Verdugo, Jeter Downs and Connor Wong now in the organization, but there’s no doubt that the Boston club is a demonstrably worse team in 2020 without Betts in right field and without Price in the rotation. Perhaps the Red Sox could chase a Wild Card spot if things break right, but they look to be squarely behind the Yankees and Rays, at the very least, and the competition for the Wild Card spots in the AL will be steeper after active offseasons from the White Sox, Blue Jays, Rangers and Angels.
It seems particularly important to point out that Red Sox brass has sought to paint this as an either-or scenario: either trade Betts (and, ahem, $48MM of the $96MM owed to Price) now or risk losing Betts as a free agent this winter. That seems to ignore the possibility of taking aim at a rebound effort in 2020 with Betts and Price in the mix, then trading Betts at the deadline if the division looks out of hand. The return, of course, would be diminished, but the Sox would surely have been able to extract some long-term pieces while endeavoring for a competitive 2020 season.
It would be inaccurate to call the Betts/Price trade a pure salary dump. Henry, Werner, Kennedy and other Red Sox officials have a legitimate point when highlighting the long-term value they received in dealing away that pair of highly paid stars. But it also feels disingenuous not to acknowledge that dropping below the CBT threshold was a key — perhaps even the key — in making this deal. After all, Boston has previously let key players walk as free agents for minimal or no compensation — Craig Kimbrel and Jacoby Ellsbury come to mind — and they traded Jon Lester midseason in 2014 after spring extension talks didn’t come to fruition.
As for where they stand in the 2020 season, Henry didn’t want to concede that the Sox might be taking a step back, instead rhetorically asking reporters (Twitter link via the Boston Herald’s Jason Mastrodonato: “Don’t you think this would be a record payroll for a bridge year?” That’s not exactly a declaration that the team is all-in on winning in 2020, but it’s also less than an acknowledgment that this diminished version of the Red Sox is clearly something less than a division contender.
GothamNeedsMe
God, I hate this FO and extreme disconnect with the fan base. Most fans who aren’t casual are aware that trading Mookie was the safer bet. But don’t scream poor mouth and getting below CBT and then deny it weeks later. Super unlikeable bunch. BUT they did bring 4 WS…so…
Just awful at the PR part, meh.
ColossusOfClout
Henry is FOS and everyone knows it.
looiebelongsinthehall
Bottom line is the team has won the most since they took ownership. Of course there’s pain at times but us Sox fans should not act like spoiled royalty.
thetruth 2
What are you talking about? This FO broke an 86 year drought. Don’t be one of those whiners.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The Red Sox org also has a history of trying to make major departing free agents look bad. Clemens, Boggs, Mo Vaughn, etc. while they had taken out ads in newspapers to thank the fans. Just admit that you’re trying to reset and be done with. The Yankees were upfront with it and the backlash was minimal.
Randy Red Sox
Plus hardly any { if any} Yankees left under similar circumstances.
Michael Birks
The last of the players you mentioned left the Red Sox in 1996, did you just wake up? We’ve won 4 WS since then
looiebelongsinthehall
Exactly Michael. My main complaint with Henry is his blatant disrespect for Tom Yawkey who simply grew up in a different place and era. Where would the Jimmy Fund be today without his efforts? How many kids of whatever race (and their families) have been helped through his generosity and vision?
Vizionaire
liars!
jdgoat
So they’re just dumb and not cheap then?
Ejemp2006
This trade will be a long term net positive. Betts wanted to leave. Corner players aren’t worth the money Betts will command. Verdugo is an incredible young controllable talent. Going under the tax allows them to reduce the pain when they sign the next FA flame arm.
Smart business. Good baseball. Even without Betts, they have the talent to get a WC. We small market teams don’t like your insolence.
Psychguy
Verdugo = stress fracture in his back; Betts is going to play CF with LA and by all accounts per MLB Radio experts say Betts was an excellent RF in a very difficult zone to navigate. Your uninformed opinion lacks credibility.
123redsox
Betts isn’t going to play center. Bellinger and Pollack are going to play center. You really shouldn’t be calling anyone uninformed. Yes, verdugo has a stress fracture but stop pretending like that is a torn ACL.
Psychguy
As reported on MLB radio this past few days Betts plays CF. How is a stress fracture similar to ACL. Verdugo’s injury kept him out for a significant amount of time last year, You are also uninformed.
123redsox
A stress fracture isn’t anywhere as bad as an ACL. Were you really not able to put together what I was saying? Mlb radio isn’t the end all. If i actually knew you i would bet money that betts plays right. Jason Martinez backs that idea up and he is the most credible source you’ll find when it comes to major league coverage. So sorry to inform you sir, but you are the misinformed one.
123redsox
Verdugo was the dodgers 4th outfielder last year. His lack of games and at bats was not completely due to injury. He wasn’t going to get at bats over bellinger or pederson (36 Homers also from the left side) or Pollack who just got paid… regular at bats were bound to be a struggle to find..
hawkny11
Stress fractures heal with rest. It takes 4-6 weeks in most cases. Verdugo should be playing RF by the 2nd week of the regular season, perhaps sooner.
Cam
Your 4-6 week timeframe means absolutely nothing considering Verdugo still isn’t healthy 6 months (!) after his last game.
There’s optimism, and then there’s being oblivious. You’re oblivious.
123redsox
You really shouldnt call anyone oblivious. Injuries take time. Not 3 months… i dont know where you got your 6 months from. May want to learn how to count
Randy Red Sox
Only partly right. The way the FA process works those “flame” arms don’t become FA’s till their “flame” arm has almost “flamed” out { See Chris Sale, David Price} and then the Sox are stuck paying big bucks for those guys with the “flame” arms to pitch for other teams. The way to build is from developing from with-in and supplementing with a few mid-level FA signings.
123redsox
The sox traded for sale entering his age 28 season… guys dont usually start to burn out until their 32, 33, 34 seasons. Generally speaking
dynasty in boston
I agree.
phillyballers
Corner players aren’t worth what hell command? Like Harper before him?
123redsox
Exactly! @ phillyballer
DarkSide830
why hide it. its not even that shamefull – just proof to the league that the luxury tax serves its purpose.
kingken67
Wow, they didn’t trade away Kimbrel in the middle of a WS winning year and THAT’S your top counter example to this?
FatChance65
In the end, they were right. Don’t just watch a guy walk and get nothing in return. Were I Chaim Bloom, I would’ve tried to get back something better than what they ended up with.
heater
He did that once. No way it would’ve worked a second time for an even better return.
FatChance65
True that
Michael Birks
I’m unhappy that we lost the players that we lost but I am happy about the ones that we gained, they seem to be interesting players, this could be an
exiting year
madmc44
I would say Bloom was over his head in talks with his former mentor and may not have been aware of the overall talent pool. the Dodger’s possess.
Back probs and possible legal issues made Verdugo expendable. I think he was less concerned about Verdugo’s issues and more about Graterol’s.
Clavette
Hard to compare letting Ellsbury or kimbrel walk compared to losing mookie in free agency.
Michael Birks
+100
Samuel
Good to come here and get the real skinny. Perfect place for the Enquiring MLB fan.
Unleash the demagogues!
Awaiting the ANTIFA A’s fan that posts here. Next they’ll be hiring him as a writer.
Scrap1ron
The s**** getting deep, where’s me hip boots. You think they practice this in front of a mirror until they can do it with a straight face?
theredsoxrule
the only mistake the owners made was making this speech public…true fans understand they made the right business decision by trading another spoiled crybaby athlete who couldn’t live off of the 10yrs 300mill extension and wanted 12yrs 420mill so bye bye Betts won’t miss you at all…the crybaby fans will just prove they are just spoiled pink hats who are too dumb to insult
mike156
You really hate the players, don’t you? Tell me something, if you could throw a baseball where you wanted it at 97MPH, or perform at Betts level, you wouldn’t want to be paid? You’d insist that, as a public service, you take below market?
User 4245925809
U do realize NY is going to be going thru this in another cpl years? how do u think they are going to Pay Judge and company with Cole and Stanton making 25-35m+ AAV and already sitting at/over the cap? it’s not like between mid 70’s and handful of years back when NY could use open checkbook and buy anyone they wanted with -0- repercussions. Those days are done. Seeing NY fans complain about anyone else move a player over salary is pot calling kettle black and beyond humorous when they bought every title they won.. sans 1-1 from 70’s onward.
mike156
If this was directed at me, I’m not sure why. Betts has a right to free agency. Judge, when his time comes, has the same. If the yankees decide he, or Torres, or anyone else is not going to be worth the dollars he can make as a free agent, so be it. I’m not complaining about the Red Sox moving Betts. i get it. It’s an economic baseball decision, just as Betts’ decision to not take an extension and gamble on health and good performance in a contract year. If I have a bias, it’s toward a free market. Players should make as much as they can, and teams can make economic choices.
User 4245925809
It wasn’t that time Mike. Others and get tired of juvenile behavior from some “fans” who can’t see things right in front of them from both teams.
pasha2k
No body speaks about Mookie being a true Fenway hitter. I hope he does well but I doubt it once he gets his contract.
Michael Birks
I hate them, but the Yankees are going to be unstoppable this year
Michael Birks
Good year for a bridge year
Michael Birks
I’m a Red Sox fan too, but I have a different cake, I think that this Red Sox ownership group has been abysmal at public relations since about 2010
Michael Birks
Take***
Nuschler
I know this will piss off you Red Sox fans but Betts made it pretty clear he was moving on so why not get what you can? You say you got a bad return? It’s the best return they were offered. Yeah, they could’ve waited until July and maybe made out better. I think Red Sox fans should be far more concerned about the forthcoming penalties and backlash and the potential delegitimization of the 2018 title because of the sign stealing scandal.
thetruth 2
This.
Gomez Toth
Just to be fair, and not to say the trade was a mistake, but Betts never said he was moving on. He said that he was going to become a free agent. Nothing would have prevented the Red Sox from negotiating with him in free agency.
Doofydoofer08
Dude the report is not even out and they never cheated during the playoffs so if you think that’s the main concern you got another thing coming
rememberthecoop
Steve you are so against the Red Sox ownership for their perceived lying. Personally, I don’t blame them for moving him. Teams that pay 35-40 mil per year on one player will have a hard time winning That’s a lot even for a club that spends. Look, they’ve spent money and proven they want to win. Now, I will say that Verdugo needs to be ready to go and be an everyday player. If he is, he won’t put up Mookie numbers, of course, but he is capable of 25 Homer’s & a .360 OBP.
MoRivera 1999
PERCEIVED lying? They just outright lied about moving Betts and Price together to duck the luxury tax. I think they made the exact right move but don’t go and lie about why you did it. It’s a perfectly legit reason… own up. Smart fans get it.
stansfield123
It’s fairly obvious to anyone with basic reasoning skills that the trade was motivated primarily by a desire to rebuild the farm system, not to avoid the luxury tax.
If all they wanted was to avoid the luxury tax, they could’ve done that without giving up Betts. They have other useful players teams would’ve taken on salary for. It’s just that there would not have been any high end prospects attached. And Betts would’ve been gone at the end of the season anyway.
MoRivera 1999
Pffft!!! They couldn’t move Price without Betts and they needed to move Price to duck the tax. End of story. It was a smart move and perfectly legit. They should just own it. Smart fans should get it.
pasha2k
I get it Mo, you’re right on, n they let the Brockstar leave!!!!!!!!
Michael Birks
Losing Mookie and price did not piss me off, I still don’t understand why they couldn’t come up with $6 million for Brock Holt, Instead of the other two utility players that I’ve never heard of
bobtillman
So enough with the Sox ownership is cheap. They spend a higher percentage of their revenues on payroll than any other team in MLB; it’s not even close. And yes, they lie about the revenues…so does everybody else.
It’s pretty apparent that Bloom is not going to have the autonomy that DD had. DD had almost carte blanc as long as they were winning or coming close. Moreover, you would have NEVER seen a conference like today without DD being there….Bloom, who wasn’t there, has “the boys” looking over his shoulder. But I give Chaim credit; LA was almost definitely going to surrender Verdugo (with few tears). If everything goes right in his career, Wong is a back-up. Downs however was a “get”, so the return was actually better than I thought it would be.
YankeesBleacherCreature
You’re second and third sentence are contradictory.
22222pete
I dunno, saving 80 + million dollars and getting a couple of prospects plus a cheap cost controlled player (even if he misses some of 2020) seems like a no brainer. With Sale and Eovaldi damaged goods anyways, its not like the team was going anyplace even with Betts. Reset the tax and then make another push after 2020. Remember, the unloaded salary at the end of 2012 and made good use of that savings in 2013. Main difference is they got nothing in return
And you know, if Betts numbers fall off away from Friendly Fenway, they might be able to resign him for less money. Heck, if the Dodgers fall apart in 2020 and the Red Sox are doing well (not predicting that), they could bring Betts back via trade. Might not cost much if Betts struggles with league and park adjustment.
Doofydoofer08
Dude did you just call Sale damaged good go watch another sport your claim is baseless
AL34
Don’t raise ticket prices after you just cut payroll.
AL34
Don’t raise ticket prices after you just cut payroll.
AL34
Don’t raise ticket prices after you just cut payroll.
3Men&ABibee
RedSox are cheating trash. Burn Boston burn.
Doofydoofer08
And your an idiot yet I still had to read that’s idiotic post
notagain27
This was a two part problem; the luxury tax hit combined with the fact that even with Betts the Sox had a slim chance of beating the Yankees. John Henry wasn’t about to spend above the threshold for a team destined to fail thanks to DD.
tsteel
The fans who go to the “historic”, “bucket list” stadium to overpay for the worst seats in baseball are getting exactly what the owners know they will pay a premium for!
3Tavgreg
This ownership group just struck gold with Liverpool in England’s Premier League,(soccer). They bought them for $300 mill less than 10years ago, and are now worth an estimated $ 1.7 Bill. They won the Champions League last year, and are going to win the Premier League by a record distance this season. That makes it a good year to reset with Red Sox.
butch779988
Henry lied his ass off about this. Does he think everybody is stupid?
dpsmith22
More lies and spin. it’s hilarious that these guys think fans are stupid.
bigdaddyt
when Baltimore looks at your organization and thinks it’s a joke then you know you got problems
ffrhb14Sox
Baltimore last won when? If they think the Boston organization is a joke, that’s just more proof why Baltimore hasn’t been good in forever.
RickEO
400 million. A BIG no thank you
They could of waited till the trade deadline but i have absolutely no problem with this. Being that he wanted to test the market is his prerogative and this was inevitable
MafiaBass
It’s a shame they don’t just speak the truth, but at the same time, it’d be really crappy of them to admit they wish DD didn’t extend Sale the way he did.
pasha2k
I remember at the time the owners wanted Sale signed saying they did not want another Lester scenario.
pasha2k
LIARS!!!!! So sick of the owners, n they let the Brockstar leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thefenwayfaithful 2
Lol Holt was a nice commodity but Hernandez has much better tools and they don’t need more lefties on the roster.
It’s ok to have a fan favorite player but this was a no brainer. No chance Holt was being resigned.
Rsox
Mookie’s contract situation was going to be a distraction all season long and honestly moving on from it after all the Cora nonsense is probably the best thing for the team.
I have my Mookie Jersey and I’m sorry to see him go but that’s what players do. At some point there came a time when it was time for Nomar to go, when Manny being Manny wasn’t amusing anymore, and when Paplebon’s (like Betts) main concern was the almighty dollar. Players come and go. Careers are finite, and rarely do stars stay with one team anymore.
AL34
This managerial group was great for 4 World Series but as far as hanging onto players they have a checkered history! They jerked around Johnny Damon after 2005?and lost him then tried to sell us Coco Crisp via a trade. Damon was a far better ball player. They jerked around Jon Lester and lowballed him and then traded him and jerked him around again and lost him for 15 million dollars. Now another guy in Mookie Betts who is loved as a player and for what he does in the community like feeding the homeless, they let go for secondary talent when they can clearly afford him. That is what annoys me about the management of this team. I did not like what they did to Terry Francona either and the way he was treated as was Theo Epstein as well.
ffrhb14Sox
No defense for ownership but you gave 3 examples over nearly 20 years. Here are a few on the other side, Wakefield had a $5M option year after year, Ortiz was resigned, Pedroia taken care of, Bogaerts took a fair offer before FA, signed Sale early. Not all on one side or the other are right or wrong, just deals. Love Mookie, wish he never left but he tied hands by not wanting to extend. They got an MLB ready OF, top 50 prospect and another prospect and the salary difference resets draft and international pool money.
Flapjax55
Damon was not worth 4/$52m and Lester not really worth the $155m he got from Chicago who overpaid. Damon’s performance dismissed in NY right on queue. Lester was a #2 or #3 talent that wanted to be paid like an ace. They actually offered Lester more than they should have. Loved the grit from both of them but the market dictated that they move on. Both were good moves especially Damon. As the pitching market kept rising Lester’s contract looked better. But he’s not an ace. He was for a very short time.
InPolesWeTrust
Would you rather of had Lester at $150M than Price at $210?
thefenwayfaithful 2
In what universe can they clearly afford him with the deals in place? They lose draft placements. They pay overages. The only way to keep it up is to keep driving up the payroll indefinitely until it all collapses and you’re spending $300+ mil a season to come in 3rd.
No doubt Lester negotiation was questionable but the Sox offered Betts 10/300 and Betts countered at 12/420. If they want to pay 12/420 in a few months when he’s a free agent they can go resign him. This move was both necessary and smart. Anyone that sees it otherwise doesn’t understand the situation.
carmenciardiello
So they traded him because they don’t think he’ll return value. got it
AL34
I disagree with you on Johnny Damon! He was a good player for us and far superior than Coco Crisp who never was great. Lester could have been retained but Larry Luchinno low balled him and the first offer was an insult. Henry has the money sand there is no guarantee on these Dodger Players at all one with disciplinary issues as well.
thefenwayfaithful 2
The criticism faced by the Red Sox front office is just silly. In fact, if it werent for us fans habitually forgetting the business side of baseball, Betts would have been traded at the deadline last year for an even larger return as I’d suggested when I saw this roster going south. If Betts truly wanted to stay, like others before him including Trout, he’d have accepted an extension or at least made talks interesting. If the Sox truly felt they couldn’t build without him, the Sox wouldn’t have inked Sale to a mega-extension and locked up Bogy on a huge deal all but eliminating any possibility there was room to sign Betts.
This wasn’t a decision to drop under the luxury tax line. Much like Cherington had to do in 2012-2013, the Sox made their beds with a couple of bad deals and a chemistry that couldn’t be recreated. It was time to move on. I’m with Henry 100%. This is what was best for the Red Sox even if some fans can’t see it yet. If Mookie left for a compensation pick, that would have been a huge mistake.
Finally, don’t blame Betts. The Players Association can’t have both of the best players in baseball not testing the free agent market. The market needs guys like Betts and Trout to drive the maximums up. That’s what’s best for all the players. Again, the business of baseball.
Moleyrussell’swart
This ownership could not be more unlikeable. Impossible for these POS billionaires to relate to fans. Mookie should have been locked up in 2015. They wait until he reaches arbitration. Morons! Obviously they are incapable of developing starting pitching if they could they wouldn’t have to pay $200 million for washed up starters. Really know how to evaluate talent though. Hanley, Pablo, Rusney, pedroia, price. Money well spent! Don’t waste your money watching this train wreck. They raise ticket prices and trim payroll and fans will still show up. Absolute dirtbags.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Your argument unfortunately collapses into itself. You’re saying look how much they spent, but then showing that spending didn’t equal winning and it was actually the nutty bunches like Damon Millar Mueller and Victorino Napoli and company that brought rings to the city. This has nothing to do with ownerships unwillingness to spend. The ownership group just felt investing $400 million in one player was a bad use of resources. Regardless of individuals net worth businesses are here to be profitable and successful. This trade helps the business be both. Every time this team is in a position to win, ownership has stepped up in big ways.
Rsox
They tried to extend Mookie several times over the past few years, Mookie just wasn’t having it. The last reported offer was for 10 years and 300 million for which Betts countered with 12 years and 420 million. Unfortunately for him I think that number more summarizes what he was smoking when he made that counter offer than a realistic amount of money that he will actually get in free agency next winter.
Its not dissimilar than the Cubs situation with Kris Bryant. Cubs have offered Bryant numerous extensions over the years but he has no interest in signing. When the Cubs finally trade Bryant, be it this year or next, Cubs fans will be saying the same nonsense: “didn’t get enough for him”, “should have extended him years ago”. Can offer all the money in the world but can’t make the guy sign if he doesn’t want to.
thefenwayfaithful 2
I think every commenter on this site would do well to purchase Out of the Park baseball and play GM mode just to get a grip on what it’s like to balance assets, fan expectations and a sustainable future. It’s not perfect but it does help give perspective.
InPolesWeTrust
Mr. Piss on our heads and call it Rain Henry