Outfielder Joc Pederson is currently in limbo, waiting to find out whether the Dodgers will actually trade him to the Angels. He’s still a member of the Dodgers for now, though, and they defeated him in arbitration Friday. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link) sheds more light on the process, writing that the Dodgers bolstered their case by arguing that Pederson’s merely a platoon player. They’re not necessarily wrong – the 27-year-old left-handed hitter has fared miserably versus southpaw pitchers since he made his major league debut in 2014. However, those on the MLBPA side feel it was problematic that the Dodgers were even in position to battle Pederson, per Rosenthal. There’s an argument that Pederson’s hearing should have been tabled because of the holdup in the Dodgers-Angels trade centering on him. Indeed, Rosenthal reports that the union and Pederson’s representatives at Excel Sports Management filed a motion for a delay in his arbitration hearing. Nevertheless, it ended up taking place on schedule, and the Dodgers – who could soon be his ex-team – came out on top.
- The reason the Pederson trade hasn’t gone down yet is the delay in the Mookie Betts swap featuring the Red Sox, Dodgers and Twins. The Red Sox are reportedly wary of the health of Twins righty Brusdar Graterol, who’s one of at least two players they’ll get back in the deal. They seem worried he’s destined to be a reliever, not a starter. But Graterol’s agent, Scott Boras, insisted Friday that his client still has an opportunity to become a starter in the majors (via Alex Speier of the Boston Globe). “I had this conversation with the Minnesota staff,” Boras said. “There’s a very clear probability that this player will return to be a starting pitcher.” While Graterol’s a past Tommy John surgery patient who missed a large chunk of time last year with a shoulder impingement, doctors have informed Boras that the 21-year-old will be fine going forward. “No doctor has told me that there is anything about his future going forward other than that it is very bright and he has no limitations,” Boras stated.
- The Mets’ potential sale to minority owner Steve Cohen fell through Thursday, and now it’s possible he won’t be able to purchase another team, according to Josh Kosman and Thornton McEnery of the New York Post. The belief of the Mets and MLB is that Cohen “acted in bad faith” during negotiations, Kosman and McEnery write. Cohen had been working to buy the franchise for $2.6 billion, but he attempted to change the payment schedule, and he may have wanted to lower the overall sum. And while Cohen wouldn’t have been in line to become New York’s control person until 2025, he’d have wanted input into how the Mets were run before then. That didn’t fly for the Wilpons, the Mets’ current owners. However, the Wilpons still plan to sell the club to a different buyer.
User 4245925809
You just know the word of Boras is the solemn truth, or at least the path to most money with biggest lies he can come up with.
pasha2k
Bravo John!!
Strike Four
Lies? Are you arguing the players he reps actually aren’t good? Because that’s categorically untrue.
louwhitakerisahofer
At what point did John say the players Boras represents are not good?
parx
Boras has nothing to do with the Boston front office already failing in due diligence and then leaking medical information that’s confidential, what a minor league team for a minor league city
chesteraarthur
He doesn’t let facts get in the way of his ramblings
Berger
Do you understand how these deals work? They have an agreement pending medical examination, upon their positive medical review they announce a trade. There is no exchange of information on any player unless there is an agreement in place.
The Red Sox we’re doing their due diligence by reviewing the records.
Leaks? That’s a ploy statement by the union to inject themselves into a process that agreed to in writing through a agreed upon contract that they no longer like.
Jim Emmons
It’s the Twins making/not making the trade. Borsa is just defending his client
Rembergaryredus
You took the words right out of my mouth. of course Boras is going to say he can still be a starting pitcher. Lol
Ketch
Boras will also tell you Brusdar can leap tall buildings in a single bound and hear silent E.
Jim Emmons
So are the Twins. Their doctor says the kid will be fine.
jd396
The sale falls through and somehow the Wilpons come out as the good guys? The Amazin Mets.
metslvt17
No they’re not the good guys. Cohen wanted to have a say in the team he will be paying more and more money for and the Wilpons couldn’t let control go, even in increments to the guy who would soon own 80% of the team. That’s ludicrous. Who’s going to pay billions of dollars for no control and let the outgoing owner run the franchise into the ground to maximize his own profit, with absolutely no regard for the future. Assholes if you ask me.
AllRiseForTheJudge
The Wilpons are an absolute disgrace to baseball and the fact that MLB is publicly backing them says there was a quid-pro-quo with the Beltran situation. Fire Beltran and we’ll give you carte blanche in the future.
deweybelongsinthehall
My guess is during the preliminary discussions was informal and he assumed Jeff Wilpon just wanted a title and salary to look impressive but then found out the title actually under league rules left him totally in charge. Who would let someone else control his money like that?
Danieley3
Well said, especially from strictly an investment/business perspective, which is clearly the Wilpon’s MO at this point.
dugmet
Sounds like Cohen agreed to one thing and intentionally tried to change terms at the last hour. That is not appropriate.
JustCheckingIn
To me, sounds like Cohen asked for more money or a diff plan once the Wilpons insisted Jeff remain a key FO person
And sounds like MLB has once again taken sides and will pretend the Wilpons are angels. Lolz Mets
dalejr
Sucks being a Mets fan. The Wilpon’s give us a sliver of hope then pull the carpet out from under us. At least I still have the Browns
wkcats
the wilpons will never sell the club.if I had the amount of money they where offered and told I couldnt deside how to handle my investment I would never make the deal.mlb is killing themselves by protecting owners like the wilpons.we will continue to be one player short of being a winner each year because of their refusal to spend the extra few dollars.again who would be crazy enough to buy a team and let the sellers run the team
Boogaloo
One player short? Lol, Mets fans are hysterical.
The Spankees or Dodgers could be “one player short the last few years. The Mets are alot worse off than them.
guest54
Wilpon’s = Lucy
Mets fans = Charlie Brown
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
Yup…Imagine Cohen giving the Wilpons $2.6 Billion and they still want to run the team for 5 years..GTFO
That’s like me selling you my house and you can’t move in for 5 years because I’m gonna still live there.
pasha2k
Omg when did greedy Boras become a medical opinion? All he’s thinking bout us how much money he’ll get down the career road.
metslvt17
Right? Lol
“Agent who profits off a percent of client’s contract’s medical report reveals client will be a top of the rotation starting calibur superstar, and not a middling 7th inning reliever.”
Case closed
GeoKaplan
Honestly, it’s almost like Boras is trying to break this trade logjam. Bloom pumped the brakes when he concluded Graterol wouldn’t be a SP; Boras is suggesting that he could. I know this is Bloom’s first big deal, but he really screwed the pooch on this one, and other teams are going to think twice about doing anything with him other than swapping AA players. I understand his hesitancy, but this has gone on way too long, and too many players and teams are frozen in place by his impulsivity.
pasha2k
Geo, DD screwed the RS team not demanding restitution when SD lied to the team and traded a hurt PomPom n he could not function. Can you imagine a fallout here if he gave Mookie away for a voyeur n damaged pitcher? The voyeur I can live with, but one of the teams needs to beef up the trade. I think Bloom is doing it right not like what DD did n never made SD make good on a trade.
CubsRebsSaints
I agree. Verdugo and a reliever for Mookie Betts isn’t an adequate return.
Plus you’re paying a lot down on Price’s contract, which should give you more value as well. It does seem like Bloom should of done more homework before agreeing on principle to trade. But! This is why they do these medicals. The trade wasn’t official, but to he media it was a”done deal.” It’s all overblown as well.
JoeBrady
Just for the record, Pomeranz was really good in 2017. Just thought you’d like to know that.
bkbkbkbk
How does a man become a medical opinion?
retire21
It involves a series of injections, some behavioral modifications, a ton of paperwork, 3 non-related witnesses and a large bag of unmarked bills.
MrAngelFan
@pasha2k The article said the doctors have informed Boras that he will be fine moving forward. He started 11 games last year, but based on his stats there doesn’t seem to be any issues. In other articles it said Graterol was still hitting 100 on the radar gun. The whole thing may have more to do with the blow back from the Red Sox fans and less to do with Graterol. Dodgers may need to wait until next year when Betts is a free agent to get him. Red Sox offered Betts $30M per year, The top players like Betts are worth $35M per year.
prov356
pasha – “greedy Boras”
What makes him greedy? Boras owns a business and should try to make as much money as he can. By that measure, Starbucks is greedy for charging $5 for a cup of crappy coffee, etc. It’s good business to increase profits. The market decides what Boras makes, not Boras.
Boras was not providing a medical opinion: “No doctor has told me that there is anything about his future going forward other than that it is very bright and he has no limitations,”. He is reporting what he was told by the doctors. BTW, I’m not a Boras fan. But truth is truth regardless of how it fits an agenda.
Bruin1012
Prob the point is who cares what Boras says and thinks about his client. It’s up to Bloom to determine if this is a fair and equitable trade for Boston. I’m guessing an agents truth is different then GM’s truth when it comes to a players medicals in a trade.
prov356
Yes.
amk3510
Bloom put 9 players in limbo because he wants to weasel a bigger return. Great thing to do days before spring training
Moneyballer
Watch the deal implode and Mookie walk next offseason. As a player, I can’t think of a more disrespectful process to have to go through. Boston should be ashamed as to how this went down. Betts can’t possibly be a happy with boston at this point. I have no idea why they haven’t done the deal, they get 2 high upside players, save a ton of money, and reset for a quick reload. The cost savings alone makes this worth it.
AL34
Because of character issues on Verdugo and Blooms failure to investigate a potential player and weight concerns and arm issues with the other guy. This is all on Bloom who is terrified of the backlash of this in Boston. The only way they get out of this is cancel the deal and pay Betts close to what he wants.
Hire a manager already Bloom!!!
JoeBrady
Blooms failure to investigate a potential player and weight concerns and arm issues with the other guy.
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Nothing personal, but that’s an idiotic opinion. You read on MLB-R that Graterol had TJS, and you think you actually know the condition of his elbow & shoulder?
AL34
Because of character issues on Verdugo and Blooms failure to investigate a potential player and weight concerns and arm issues with the other guy. This is all on Bloom who is terrified of the backlash of this in Boston. The only way they get out of this is cancel the deal and pay Betts close to what he wants.
Hire a manager already Bloom!!!
AL34
Because of character issues on Verdugo and Blooms failure to investigate a potential player and weight concerns and arm issues with the other guy. This is all on Bloom who is terrified of the backlash of this in Boston. The only way they get out of this is cancel the deal and pay Betts close to what he wants.
Hire a manager already Bloom!!!
SG
Classic 3 post AL comments 3 times again.
How does he get to do that?
Trade Rumors system usually rejects multiple identical posts.
AL must be a GM or a sportswriter?.
looiebelongsinthehall
Moneyballer. No disrespect but it goes both ways. Mookie did nothing wrong but how many top athletes on big market clubs turn down negotiations two plus years before free agency? It hasn’t happened before that I can recall. Oklahoma City (Durant) is not Boston. The team thought they could compete last year as otherwise that was the time to trade him. Teams like the Yankees, Dodgers, cubs under Epstein and. Ostensibly just don’t lose free agents they want to keep. The tax penalty thresholds haven’t kept up with the free agent contracts. If there are no changes in the next CBA, the Yankees will feel the crunch when Judge negotiates if he too will demand to test free agency to set his value. The Dodgers planned beautifully and will be ok with Bellinger but eventually it will catch up to all big time clubs with multiple stars.
Moneyballer
God forbid Mookie Betts try to capitalize on his market value. How dare he! Totally his fault for not taking a hometown discount and stay in Boston.
teufelshunde4
Players should seek their highest value. That said only time I get pissy with a player is if they talk about staying with one team for years leading up to FA, then flip script and say its all about business & respect. Money is not respect.
lucienbel
And God forbid Boston review the medicals and not like what they see on Graterol. That’s why all deals are pending medicals. I like how everyone is acting like there’s no chance that the medicals are actually problematic. Maybe they are maybe they aren’t, but the reality is no one but the team and Graterol has seen them.
Bruin1012
You have to remember it’s not like the Red Sox, Dodgers, and Twins have contacted the players and said you have been traded because the trade hasn’t been finalized. Players should know that.
Cooperdooper7
You think maybe the rush to get everything out in social media is the problem…. the 9 players in limbo are only in limbo because of this as reports and assumptions of this proposed deal are just that and trade news should be reported when it is actually accurate and finalized. What point of the phrase contingent on team reviewing medicals do you and all these other fools not understand?
HalosHeavenJJ
Cohen was smart to step away. The Wilpons would’ve signed massively back loaded contracts to stick him paying for their decisions.
If anyone needs to be blocked from owning a team, it’s not Cohen.
Strike Four
What a copout to call a righty “merely a platoon player” when he mashes righties. There’s more righties than lefties. It’s not like it’s a 50/50 even split….what a stupid take.
jkinser20
Joc didn’t get 50% of what he “should” have been paid. The fact that he can’t hit lefties is still enough to knock his price tag down.
MrAngelFan
@StrikeFour Joc is a lefty, not a righty. Joc plays primarily LF/RF. Unfortunately this is the position of so many of today’s best players, Betts, Yelich, Judge, Acuna, Harper, Soler, Soto. You lose value when you can’t play every day and there are so many examples of people that can. As an owner, you would rather pay one player for a position rather than 2. Even if the split isn’t 50/50, you are still going to need to pay 2 players to play 1 position.
wordonthestreet
@Strike Four
When you play only against righties and someone else plays when there is a lefty it is called a platoon. That is what it is.
A platoon has nothing to do with 50/50 split nor does the article suggest the Dodgers defined it as 50/50. The only stupid take it yours.
rangers56
What company on planet earth no matter what it is would sell to a person and allow the old owners to hang around – NOBODY ! I buy the company I want to made decisions on my company – I am paying all this money and I don’t have a say ? THE WILPONS MUST GO ! In my opinion the Mets have not have a legitimate star since mike piazza and it was Nelson Doubleday that wanted him not the wilpons – they do everything on the cheap and we nets fans suffer !
Ella B
You do realize that deGrom has won back to back Cy Young awards and is a legitimate star? Right? But I do agree that the current owners must go.
brucenewton
Mets are always a top 10 payroll.
Finlander
After the poll results were in on this deal, Boston caved.
AtlSoxFan
You need to remember what the terms Boras used actually mean.
When talking to a doctor, being cleared and told you have “no restrictions/limitations” it just means you can act as normal. It does NOT mean you have no risk of future injury, AND it does not mean that there aren’t conditions going on inside you that may predispose you towards an injury.
Also, when is the last time anyone here went to a doctor and his medical opinion was “you have a bright future”… thats no disgnosis.
The whole thing has turned into a circus. Kick the twinkies out of the deal, make it a LA/BOS affair, and get it done. Blow up all the deals and just make verdugo/maeda/joc for mookie/price/$. Everyone is happy.
Moneyballer
Dodgers clearly aren’t willing to part with a second high end prospect to appease boston, this is why the Twins are pretty much essential at this point. Do you think boston wants Kenta Maeda to replace David Price? Would they just do a 1 for 1 swap with Betts and Verdugo? No they would not. Without the Twins offering a prospect with a 100 mph fastball the deal gets way worse for Boston. Fact.
jmi1950
Until all of the teams state it’s a deal , there is no deal. This is what happens when the writers jump the gun, and try to say they were right and one or more of teams — who never said anything — are in the wrong. Responsible reporting would have said a deal was close. Instead, it was falsely reported as done.
Vizionaire
this is not the writers’ fault. red sox allowed the medical info to come out public. which is against mlb regulations.
twins33
Trades aren’t done until medicals are reviewed and physicals passed. Then the teams announce it. All of the reports were “deal is done pending medical/physical” which is still the case. The problem is the leaking of the medical issue which had to be from the Sox.
AtlSoxFan
Who says it was the sox that leaked the medical issue?
Could someone in LAD have leaked it because Arte was getting pissed as has been reported? SURE.
Could someone in MIN have leaked it to try to create backlash against BOS for trying to reject medicals? SURE.
Could someone in BOS have leaked it because they wanted to give cover for why they weren’t rubber stamping things? SURE.
I’m not aware of anyone citing who released info… any e have a source?
twins33
Why would the Dodgers have Graterol’s medical records and know what the issue is? Graterol is going to Boston. There are privacy rules under HIPAA. The only two teams who know what’s going on are the Twins and Sox.
Why would the Twins torpedo Graterol’s value by leaking that he has “bad medicals”? This hurts the Twins more than anyone except Graterol himself because now the Sox are asking for more and if they don’t get more, Graterol’s back with the Twins and is now worth almost nothing in a trade. Either situation is bad from the Twins perspective. The only way the Twins come out good is if the trade is accepted as is (though a lot of other Twins fans disagree).
The only team that has anything to gain out of leaking it is the Red Sox. They can then ask for more or just call the whole thing off. Either is good for them since they were clear losers based on the terms that were reported.
AtlSoxFan
Of all the teams, the ONLY one who actually has NOTHING to gain by the leak IS Boston.
Who said what the issue is? Nobody. For that matter, it’s possible NOBODY “leaked” the objection.
LA, as a party to the trade, doesn’t need the specific objection, or the player records, to know that boston isn’t approving the medical review.
When asked for comment LA publicly stated that verdugo passed his physical/review
Boston likewise could state that both price and betts passed their review.
There is no leak when MIN can’t/doesn’t claim the same. It’s simple deduction by reporters and, unfortunately, there’s only one more team and player involved who obviously didn’t clear.
You ignore that LAD could be trying to placate arte and the LAA who reports said were very testy about the delay to their own deal. You don’t think saving rather than lose that trade isn’t something in LAD’s favor to pass the blame off on boston? Right. Try thinking clearly.
As far as MIN goes, didn’t you read above? I’ll say again, trying to turn up pressure, such as drawing in boras, mlbpa, etc to pressure the red sox to cave and as min stands pat, helps them and their position. Realistically, once boston objected graterol’s value took as full a hit as it ever could regardless of whether the trade went through or not.
If it went through they don’t care about his value to the next guy.
If it didn’t go through, every team in baseball would know boston refused to take him after the medical review stage. There is no downside or harm as you allege that wasn’t already going to happen, and thats a fact.
You’d like to “blame” someone, fine. But it’s not rational, and there is neither proof, nor any more substantial likelihood that boston “leaked” anything than any other team or nobody having done it.
What you miss is the leak of failing medical review, if one occurred at all, was NOT required in any way for boston to either demand additional compensation or to call off the trade. If they failed to gain conpensation, and went through with the trade anyways, it’s BOSTON stuck with the as you put it, now relatively devalued/valueless graterol.
twins33
You think Boston can just agree to a trade pending medicals and then for absolutely no reason call off the trade or ask for more? That’s hilarious. No one would make a trade with that GM ever again if someone could just change their mind as the wind blows. A contract is a contract and yes agreeing on a trade pending medicals IS a contract.
And I don’t know about you, but I saw Graterol’s medical being messed up way before anyone mentioned anything about the other players passing. So how were reporters able to deduce it was Graterol and not a different player? Psychic wizardry?
And for the Twins to leak that Graterol has a problem with his medical after years of not mentioning it just to “pressure the Red Sox?” How is that even a thing? It doesn’t make sense and again hurts Graterol who they may still end up with again.
The issue was never the medical problem itself, it was someone spilling the beans about it. Dodgers want Mookie, they want the trade to go through, not fail. Twins aren’t going to trash their player for no reason. That leaves the Red Sox who have a legit issue with his medical and they have every right to.
OtisSnord
#1 question that should always be asked: Cui bono? Who benefits? The only team that stood to benefit from the release of the medical information was the Red Sox.
JerseyShoreScore
Not sure why owners/GMs cannot remain silent on trade terms, until after they have cleared the players.? It seems silly for officials to leak information out. Even worse, they leaked the injury info on top of the trade terms.
JerseyShoreScore
Not sure why owners/GMs cannot remain silent on trade terms, until after they have cleared the players.? It seems silly for officials to leak information out. Even worse, they leaked the injury info on top of the trade terms.
twins33
Excitement, I guess. That’s the only reason I can think of.
AL34
This has to do with Verdugo and Bloom being afraid of the backlash in Boston. This guy did not do his due diligence in checking on this ball players character at all. I am not impressed with this GM Bloom at all not to mention the garbage he picked up this off season. Verdugo has had character issues and disciplinary issues with the Dodgers. He has a back and shoulder issue. The pitcher is not only recovering from Tommy John surgery but has weight issues along with shoulder problems. His elbow tendon is a transplant hamstring tendon.
Yeah I believe anything that comes out of Boras mouth
John Henry is an absolute idiot for letting Bloom do this!
The only thing I can figure is they are going to maximize profits and sell the team by making it more attractive to buyer by staying under the luxury tax.
sithdude
What are the character issues with Verdugo?
AtlSoxFan
Rumors about verdugo center around taking video of women fighting and something about a 17 yr old who was assaulted by some men iirc in a hotel room but not by verdugo himself.
As far as bloom, he has taken the idea of finding reclamation projects to something of an extreme by signing and trading for nothing else (I mean there are hundreds of prospects out there without serious/long lasting injury histories he could’ve pursued, but… at least now you know what his task within the TB front office was, finding those particular kind of candidates.
JoeBrady
AL34 is just blowing smoke again.
The Verdugo issue is that three LA players were drinking with three girls at ST. The 6 of them went to someone’s room. At which point a fight broke out between the girls, and one of the players (we don’t know which one) filmed the fight. Some time later, one of the girls alleged that one of the LA players, molested/assaulted her (not Verdugo), and that he stopped when Verdugo came back into the room.
SG
AL I searched the internet and couldn’t find the disciplinary information on Verdugo you speak of. Thank you for letting us know about this. You must have privileged information.
And AllSox you may have found the mole. Bloom is really a Tampa double agent that has infiltrated Boston.
Valkyrie
Cooperdooper7
All assumptions on your part—- next idiot.
Goose
Knowing Boras is representing the kid is enough to nix the trade.
Vizionaire
yeah, sox have a few of boras clients. you wanna cut’em all?
AtlSoxFan
Bogaerts was represented by Boras. Turned out ok for BOS, including the extension recently that had what appears to be a discount off FA prices.
Boras is only as much of a pain as his clients ask/allow him to be.
DarkSide830
that Bogearts extention is going to be a HUGE steal in due time. but really, don’t like the myth that Boras clients dont sign extentions. everyone has a price.
jetpowerbass
I’m looking at the Red Sox roster, and their bullpen sucks. They should welcome a potential stud reliever. If they weren’t sure that they wanted Graterol, they shouldn’t have agreed to the trade. If Bloom pulls out of this deal, no team will deal with him in the future.
angelsfan4life
The trade between the Dodgers and Angels, should not be delayed. Both teams agreed to the players involved in the trade. There are no concerns about any of the players involved in the trade. The simple hold up, is the Dodgers just wasting time on the trade.
twins33
If the Dodgers and Angels agreed that it was contingent on the Dodgers/Sox trade going through, then yes they can hold it up. And that is what has been reported all along. It’s the smart and logical thing of the Dodgers to do
OtisSnord
Angels fan here. I wish the trade would go through ASAP, but you’re absolutely right.
AtlSoxFan
If the dodgers don’t get Mookie and Price they have a use for joc as depth and a possible trade chip / QO Pick generator.they also no longer have motivation to clear salary.
Sorry, but the return from LAA isn’t exactly earthshattering. Just like not wanting graterol for themselves, it’s a move only made to rebalance things as part of the Boston deal.
angelsfan4life
If Peterson had trade value, then I would agree with you. Peterson also would most likely not get a QO. Unless he has a unbelievable year, this year. The Dodgers have been trying to trade him for the past three seasons. Besides that, even if the deal with the Red Sox does fall through, the Dodgers still will have 5 Outfielders left. The Dodgers don’t want or need Peterson.
JoeBrady
If Peterson doesn’t have trade value, why is LAA trading a decent prospect for him?
Donkatsu
The Dodgers wont give Pederson a QO. They didnt even want to pay him 9.5mil. The QO would be alot more than that…
slslinde
Screw you sox. No more from Twins
saintguitar
I hate Boras but I agree with him. Graterol can become a starter although his innings may be limited for some time.
Ohtani is projected to be a starter after his TJS and Ryu has been a successful starter after his TJS for many years before he made the move to the majors.
If Boston really value Graterol and his potential, his history of TJS alone cannot be the reason why they won’t pull the trigger on the trade
Lightning
100% correct! A lot of pitchers have had Tommy John surgery and come back to be very effective starters. As for Graterol having “medical issues” he sure looked fine and Twins fans loved seeing him throw over 100 mph as one of the only pitchers to shut down the Yankees in their playoff series last fall. If the deal falls through it falls through. A lot of us Twins fans will be perfectly OK with Graterol as a reliever or starter going forward.
twins33
It’s not just TJS. They’re probably not worried about that at all at this moment as it was a few years ago now. It’s possible he could have another but people come back from it all the time, albeit usually with less talent.
He had a shoulder issue last year. It was an impingement, took two to three months to get over. That’s a normal timeframe for such a problem but it can lead to far worse things in the shoulder, like tears. Majority of players with big shoulder problems have a hard time coming back from injury ever. It’s usually a career death sentence so if Graterol has a serious problem with his shoulder it’s a big deal for him and whoever has the rights to him.
VegasSDfan
I would ask for a different player. Shoulder issues never go away.
Cancel the deal until they offer a different player.
prov356
I assume there are Red Sox fans on here but I haven’t read comments from any of them ranting about losing Betts. I think fan blow back has little or nothing to do with the delay. My guess is it involves Graterol’s medical report because that’s what they are saying it’s about and there’s no evidence to the contrary.
The Angels are a perfect example of how a team doesn’t put much value on fan blow back. They haven’t addressed the pitching issue for years, yet we still fill the stadium, buy the jerseys, pay $12 for a dog and soda, etc.
I believe the deal will happen when everyone involved is satisfied, as should be the case.
Paul Griggs
There’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. Every casual Twins’ fan knew Graterol had arm issues. Their pitching coach said he was going to be in the bullpen. The Twins’ projections had him as the future closer. This, from a team that desperately needed starting pitching that led them to bring in multiple lower tier free agents. The Sox dumped salary, as the ownership demanded, but got very little in return. They lost one of the 5 best players in baseball, a guy still coming into his prime.
JoeBrady
I’m a RS fan, and I like the deal. A lot of the folks in here have no clue about what they are talking about.
1-Everyone knows that Graterol had TJS and an impingement issue.
2-No one in here knows the condition of his shoulder and elbow.
3-No one in here knows if he might need TOS.
Every once in a while, I’d like to hear the blowhards start off their rant with’the fact that they know not a single important thing about Graterol’s medical condition.
ottoc 2
The Red Sox signed Betts in January to a one-year contract for $27 million. What kind of contract do you think he would have gotten if he had been a free agent instead of arbitration eligible then? I’m pretty sure it would have been for a lot longer than one year and I suspect that with 30 clubs bidding, it would have been for more than $27M.
Maybe Betts didn’t figure he’d be traded when he signed back in January. Another big season with teammates he is comfortable with, in a park he is accustomed to, and then the offers will come pouring in. Now, he has to hope he stays healthy and does well in a new park with new teammates
SG
“No doctor has told me that there is anything about his future going forward other than that it is very bright and he has no limitations,” Boras stated.
I feel so comforted now Scott hearing that from you.
Paul Griggs
I’m a Twins’ fan and I think the Red Sox are trying to save face by shaking them down and, even though he’s supporting my position, I don’t trust Boras. Normal people don’t say things like, “No Doctor has told me he won’t be able to be a SP.”. That reeks. Boston is trying to save face and the Twins should not give in to their bullying. The Red Sox are cheaters.
halo6219
Glad to hear the Wilpons are still going to move fwd w/ a sale to someone….they need to be out of baseball…speaking as a West Coast baseball fan
em650r
The good thing about Joc is he lives in SoCal so he won’t have to find a place to live.
Cooperdooper7
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported Friday that the punishment issued to the Red Sox — who have already parted ways with now-former manager Alex Cora, who was involved with both the Astros and the Red Sox — is expected to be light. Nightengale said that MLB has not found
evidence of cheating.
“Two high-ranking officials involved in the investigation told USA TODAY Sports they believe that the Red Sox will receive no more than a light punishment, with little evidence of cheating,” Nightengale reported.
robertk
How about taking Minnesota out of the deal and giving Maeda and a mid level pitching prospect to Boston, making it a two team trade?
twins33
I’m guessing if the Sox wanted Maeda, a third team would have never been involved in the first place.
AtlSoxFan
Bloom covets having a rookie highly regarded SP in the rotation. It’s how he plans to offset Sale’s contract for the duration of the deal from a team budgeting standpoint.
Graterol is not that guy right now, and the trade contemplated right now (the hole price leaves in the rotation). They might wind up with him anyways, but, bloom wants to capture what he now sees as missing value.
When the trade first broke I envisioned (at best) graterol spending 2020 opening in AA then moving to AAA, working on this other pitches and building stamina. Then, depending where the IP were, maybe he broke camp 2021 with the sox, or, maybe he came up midyear after time in AAA.
I’ve said many places I like the idea of a maeda/price swap with one other piece tossed in – prospect/joc/etc. But bloom wants that league minimum salary in the rotation so thats tough…
madmc44
No one is to blame, start with that premise. Sox fan here. If Mookie is moved at the deadline fine. If Price has a good season he can be moved at the deadline. The Dodgers are involved in all 3 trades. They can easily sweeten the pot by adding another prospect or reducing the cash ask for Price. It will be done. Minn keeps Graterol and maybe the Sox get Maeda.
Cooperdooper7
Sox do not want Maeda and his 12.8 mill per year contract… The Dodgers are doing this to offset the cost of Betts and Price as well as moving Peterson. Substitute May in the deal…Then still keep the Trade on with the Twins and keep Graterol and plug him into your bullpen ….. now here comes all the Dodger fans.. wait… we don’t want Graterol… he is damaged goods… Then now you
see the Red Sox point.?
Javia
The Dodgers never wanted Graterol and they still don’t. How does forcing a team to take something they never wanted prove anything Cooperdooper7?
May is far more valuable than Graterol ever was, even before his injury questions. May has already proven that he is an ml ready starter with tremendous upside. The only way the Sox could get him would be to add Devers to the trade. Let’s not throw in replacement names with nowhere near equal value Cooperdooper7.
AtlSoxFan
Maeda only makes what he deserves, and it’s not a 12.8m contract.
His base is 3m. He’s got thresholds for IP and GS. If he started 32+ games, and tossed over 200+ IP to max his incentives out for a total 14m salary including base, that means he was pretty darn good or you wouldn’t keep tossing him out there.
After looking at FA contracts this offseason, 200IP and 32 starts of #3 production for $14m? But wait, unlike most contracts if he’s hurt and not making starts? 3m base. If he isn’t producing and you stick him in the pen? Again, base 3m plus a little extra based on use.
It’s a nice contract without much downside. LA has a surplus of arms though so..
No1metsfan69
I just got the alert from MLB.Com that the Twins have dropped out of the deal & are keeping Graterol.
DarkSide830
i dont get the issue with Joc. who cares if his soon to be ex-team battles against him? why would they want to suppress his earnings with another team. you’d think they’d not care, but the fact that they won anyway doesnt exactly reflect well on his case.
Jim Emmons
The ‘other team’ may want to give up less for him. He’s easier to Trade at $7 million than $9 million. The Angels or any team that gets him can always pay him more if they like.
Jim Emmons
The ‘other team’ may want to give up less for him. He’s easier to Trade at $7 million than $9 million. The Angels or any team that gets him can always pay him more if they like.
Silverse02
Maybe mark Cuban will buy them. Also herd jeff was to have full exec perks. Which is silly if you have the money, move out the way.