The San Diego Padres have acquired reliever Emilio Pagan from the Tampa Bay Rays. In exchange, they’re sending centerfielder Manuel Margot and prospect Logan Driscoll to Tampa Bay, per The Athletic’s Josh Tolentino (via Twitter). The deal is official, per MLB.com’s Juan Toribio.
Both teams add strength to strength here. The Rays get an elite defensive centerfielder to back up one one of the league’s best in that department, while the Padres give their already-strong bullpen another weapon to lock down the ends of ballgames. Both teams, interestingly, are addressing an area with this trade to which they’ve already devoted resources this winter.
Turning to the players, Pagan departs one strong bullpen to join another in San Diego, where he’ll team up with incumbent closer Kirby Yates and 21-year-old flamethrower Andres Munoz. The Padres will be his fourth team in as many seasons after year-long stints with the Mariners, A’s, and Rays. Last season was his most successful to date, however, as he notched a 12.3 K/9 versus 1.7 BB/9 in his 70 innings as a Ray. San Diego seems to value his ability to retire both right and left-handed hitters, citing Pagan’s matching .179 BAA in their press release.
The Friars have dedicated quite a bit of resources to a bullpen that now looks like a genuine asset. They earlier re-signed Craig Stammen to a two-year, $9MM deal and convinced Drew Pomeranz to give San Diego a second go-round with a surprising four-year, $34MM commitment. The Padres also brought in former San Francisco Giant Pierce Johnson after a successful stint overseas.
Pagan’s one season in Tampa Bay came after being acquired from Oakland in the three-way deal that landed Jurickson Profar in Oakland and sent Brock Burke, Yoel Espinal, Kyle Bird, Eli White, and international draft pool money to the Rangers. The Rays also received a draft pick in that deal. Pagan served as the Rays de facto closer last season, notching 20 saves in 66 games with a 2.31 ERA/3.30 FIP.
For their part, Tampa adds an elite defensive centerfielder in Margot who may yet have another offensive gear in him as he nears his age-25 season. Margot hit an underwhelming .234/.304/.387 last year, in line with his career mark of .248/.301/.394 – but by just about any measure, Margot ranks among the game’s very best at traversing the centerfield grass. Last season, he scored 6 DRS, 5.8 UZR, and 11 Outs Above Average. Margot provides the Rays with defensive certainty up the middle should Kevin Kiermaier again struggle to stay healthy.
The Rays have made of a winter of adding outfielders by way of relatively surprising multi-player deals. Margot joins Hunter Renfroe as San Diego expats now based in Tampa. The Rays also dealt top pitching prospect Matthew Liberatore to St. Louis for Jose Martinez and Randy Arozarena, who now figures to start the year in Triple-A. Austin Meadows, of course, remains on hand as an everyday player in the outfield.
For the Rays in particular, the move represents another somewhat disorienting instance of doubling down on a particular area. Their earlier trade for Martinez, who figures to spend much of his time at designated hitter, came shortly after the signing of Yoshi Tsutsugo, another prospective candidate to spend time at designated hitter.
Here again, the addition of Margot could be seen as an over-saturation of Tampa’s centerfield pool, where they’ve already added Arozarena. The Rays have reportedly been after Margot for some time, however, and though Kiermaier remains the unequivocal starter in center, they view Margot as an “impact defender,” per Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times.
Driscoll was the 73rd overall pick of the Padres in the 2019 draft. His ability to play both catcher and outfield certainly marks him as a prospect of some intrigue. In 39 games at Low-A in 2019, Driscoll hit .268/.340/.458.
Wait, what?
The Rays being the Rays
The Rays like you. Why don’t you like them back?
‘NewYorkSoxFan’ pretty much sums himself up with that moniker.
Judging me off a username sums you up…. Stratcrowder lol
No one can do what K.K does, just ask him
BIG TIME
Pagan has a pretty good head start on Edwin Jackson’s record.
LOL
San Diego looking to build a stronger pen, but no idea who is playing CF full time. For the Rays, precursor to a Kiermaier trade, even if it’s not immediate. He’s midway through his contract and heading into his more expensive years, owed approximately $36M over the next three seasons. Problem is he can’t hit or stay on the field, and he’s about to turn 30 when his greatest strength—defense—is a young man’s skill. Kiermaier will be gone by mid season, although they’ll have to throw some money in. Probably hoping he’s healthy and shows enough early on to help facilitate a trade. Some team will probably be mesmerized enough by his highlight reel. Margot’s bat hasn’t played yet in the majors, but he still has upside and he’s cheap.
I think the Ray’s fan will miss Kevin Kiermaier’s modesty. “No one can do what I do”. One of K.K. quotes. I don’t remember if he said that after a nice catch or on another 0 for five night at the plate.
…why?
How many OFers do the Rays need? They def sold high on Pagan
Just like they sold high on Souza.
They bought high on Souza.
They traded Trea Turner for Souza basically.
The Nats are still giddy after that deal. Trea Turner and Joe Ross for essentially Souza. Thanks for saving Zimmerman’s no hitter. And Trea Turner is a top 5 SS in my opinion
just about the only time the Devil Rays ever lost a trade.
May have something to do with the impending injury for Kevin K. They want OF insurance bad enough to give up Pagan. Not for nothing, but the Rays tend to come out on top when they make trades. I’m obviously a Yankees fan, however, I cannot help but root for the Rays when they’re not playing the Yanks. They do so much with so little and are very successful. I love seeing it.
Why tho
Logan Driscoll…you got for 2nd round pick last year for Pagan…selling high…and love the hedge fund comment! Matthew Silvermann did work for Goldman Sachs first!
wow…what a trade
I hate saying who won and who lost a trade until months or even years after the trade. But I really question why the rays felt the need to do this. This just doesn’t make sense to me
Sell high and move on. The Rays are run like a hedge fund.
Only if you mean that they regularly underperform vs the market
They sold high as Ejamp said. Something seems odd with respect to Pagan. Four teams in four years? As to sf2win, I disagree as the Rays and A’s always seem to outperform projected expectations.
Totally agree, I’m flabbergasted by sf2win’s comment on the rays
???
What market are you in
Sf2win was commenting on the financial market… Fund managers never beat the market over any substantial period of time, so it’s probably not a good idea to make that comparison positively.
The Rays have the highest return on dollars invested in baseball.
The best hedge fund managers like Ray Dalio almost always beat the market.
Dalio is the exception, not the rule. Investing is a zero sum game.
Don’t cite the Ray’s ROI when you have absolutely no way of confirming it.
Cost per win. Best ROI in baseball.
And AJ Preller is an idiot. He’s the perfect sucker for good GMs.
cuz they can turn chicken salad into Pagan. Margot is already a prime centerfielder who hits left handers and will improve. they destroyed my Padres in this trade.
Margot will always be a .245 BA overall, nice guy good D but no offense.
i disagree. not by much. but even then…. 245 is like league average nowadays. lol. i fully expect for pagan to digress.
So who plays center for the padres?? And why do the padres need another reliever? I’m so confused
Margot was set to platoon anyway because he can’t hit. Trent Grisham was projected to platoon with him. Now it will likely be Grisham or Franchy Cordero. Taylor Trammell could be a possibility too depending on his spring.
The same Taylor Trammell that has never played in AAA and put up a .689 OPS in 500+ AA plate appearances last year? He’s not even close to a legitimate option at this point.
Trammell can’t play center either. That’s why he was expendable in the first place
He wasn’t even the cf on the Reds AA team. But because Preller got him, most Padre fans think he’s now ready to be playing everyday in the majors.
@nypadre66 …
No, not “most” Padre fans. Only the myopic low baseball IQ homers who, for some reason, think Preller’s the Second Coming.
As of now, we do not have a CF. In fact, our outfield defense just got worse. The only thing that has improved this offseason is the bullpen.
And Kiermaier can hit? Thanks Johnny Superscout
margot rakes lefties, is young and improving. love cordero but he’s lefty like grisham. pagan will never have another year like last. this is what the Devil Rays do. take an average pitcher, dress him up and make him look good. and FLEECE another team in a trade. unreal.
Margot doesn’t “rake” anybody.
Pham in LF. Grisham/Cordero in CF. Myers in RF. They will give Myers the chance to win an everyday job given his contract.
As well they should. I think if he actually plays everyday, he can regain his prior form that earned him that contract. I personally think Andy Green’s 162 different lineups in 162 games, or whatever it was, didn’t allow many of these guys to settle into a position and find their groove……
What “form” is that? Myers is below average on defense and he strikes out a ton. He’s a .240-ish hitter with 20-25 HR power, and that doesn’t get it done. Especially with that contract.
What “form” is that? Myers is below average on defense and he strikes out a ton. He’s a .240-ish hitter with 20-25 HR power, and that doesn’t get it done. Especially with that contract.
Sorry about double post. Must have hit button twice.
Doubtful but maybe Mookie?
Might be JBJ. I suspect this might be a precusor for Padres to take the Twins spot in the Betts trade.
Something like:
LAD gets Betts and Price
BOS gets Verdugo, Yates, Myers and maybe prospects from SD
SD gets Maeda and Bradley Jr.
SD doesn’t get Betts, but gets the salary relief they crave unloading Myers and Maeda for their rotation?
Anything is possible. Then again, so is puig.
No one wants Myers unless you pay down his salary and attach a good prospect or two to him and San Diego so far as been unwilling to do this
The Padres won’t be helping the Dodgers acquire Betts. Not only do the Padres want Betts themselves, but the Dodgers are the very team in their division that they’re trying to chase down.
Padres sure as heck wouldnt help the Dodgers acquire Betts AND deal Yates … won’t happen
exactly.
With that deal, the Dodgers would be laughing at the Padres all the way to the World Series
LMAO. there’s no way Padres do this trade. we trade Yates but don’t get Betts? yeah right. smoke some more crack.
i’m not confused. Preller got OWNED by the Devil Rays. what’s confusing. awful trade.
You keep saying it and are literally the only person thinking it. I love your certainty of how Margot will improve and that Pagan will regress. Margot has nearly 1,000 abs against righties. It hasn’t been good.
Padres coming out better than Rays on this trade, Pitching is prime and key not a .240 lifetime part time CF
Per many experts out there, Padres just moved their pen into the best in the league, up there with NYY. So, at least one thing on the team in championship caliber. Now to work on the other parts of the team……
And Emilio Pagan travels again, I’m starting to wonder if he’ll ever stay on the same MLB team for more than one season
Nah I’m hoping he plays for every team before he retires
That would be epic
The Pham trade was rough, but at least it made sense…
I understand that relievers can be volatile from year to year. With that being said, Pagan has had 3 solid years with 2019 being his best and Margot hasn’t done anything. Padres won this deal.
Or the Padres gave up the only CFer in their roster, who was a top prospect in the not so distant future… for a reliever who’s ERA is shiny but is prolly going to regress.. plus another player
All to not compete? Lolz sure Padres won
How can an MLB player be a top prospect in the “not so distant future”?
Also, according to their ESPN depth chart, they had Trent Grisham penciled in as their starting CF anyway.
Really? Are you just bad at English or what?
Not so distant future= last 3-5 years let’s say. It could be 4, or 6. It’s not the point
Margot was a very highly ranked prospect- mid 20s in all of MLB for 3 straight years, the headliner for Kimbrel to Boston, and has been mediocre in the last 2 years
Yay for an English lesson!
Not so distance future implies within the next couple of years not the past couple of years. That would be….uh….the not so distant past….
You’re pretty snarky about somebody else’s grasp of English when you’re the one mixing past and future tenses within in a single sentence.
“…who was a top prospect in the not so distant future…”
Make up your mind. Did his prospect status take place in the past or is it yet to come?
I make my living as a writer.
Your English lesson was terrible.
That must have been a South Carolina public school English lesson.
It’s hilarious that when Ry showed your idiotic mistake in quotes, you not only missed it, but continued along with your Inguhlish lezzon and still didn’t catch yourself saying “future=last.” Might even be the post of the year given the sense of irony your username adds. Lolz for sure.
@commonsenseslapsyou. LMAO! You are a special kind of stupid…
I was thinking the same thing. His user name is as priceless as him doubling down on stupid while calling someone else stupid is. Bravo!
Margot is below ave. on offense, time to go, he had his chance at tbest a platoon CF
Trent Grisham? Yeah, he’s going to be a stud.
(sarcasm).
The Padres definitely won this deal, the Padres still have Trammell and Cordero, even if the latter is injury prone. Margot has never reached the potential the team expected of him when acquired.
definitely LOST this deal. margot improving, already incredible defense in prime position, CF, and rakes lefties. all for a reliever who had one good year. plus we threw in 2019 2nd round pick.
He was a top prospect IN THE PAST. but hasn’t done much of anything and we have too many outfielders right now. We just improved our bullpen for a platoon guy and a prospect.
Padres had three center fielders
They seem to roll that way now they have two
Prior to this, they had jank, Cordero and Margot
Jank is already gone. We have Grisham and Cordero.
On which planet is Grisham a ML-level CF? It isn’t this one. Where is this nonsense coming from?
Did Margot play his home games at Gizmonic Field, aka The Big G?
He did a good job on defensive plays, but his bosses didn’t like him so they shipped him to the Ra-ays.
Pham Cordero grisham Trammell. They could go out sign pillar. Padres have cf options.
Grisham has played in the corners more than center in his minor league career and has hit worse than Margot at every level. His only major league experience, he hit .231 with no power and he’s a career .251 hitter in the minors, which is about Margot’s major league average. At least on paper, the Padres 2020 outfield is very weak.
Myers will start in RF for the Padres. This trade locks him in. They have to hope he doesn’t suck this year. Handing CF to Grisham is a mystery. He really has not been good at any level other than his month in AAA.
What position does player “All” play?
Margot’s offense hasn’t been all that great these last few years. He is a pretty decent center fielder. A change of scenery might help him.
They must figure 1) Driscoll, who can catch, is the real thing. If they make him a full time catcher and he keeps hitting, he’s a prize, and 2) Margot can hit better than he has. Even if he doesn’t he’s a 2 win CFer. That’s far from nothing, while Relievers are as volatile as a Mordor volcano.
Margot has always been a slow learner and unable to take direction from his coaches and that’s why he’s gone, I hope he can do better than his .235 BA
lol. you’re a fool. pagan had 1 good year, 1 bad, and 1 average. his 1 good year was with the Devil Rays. this is what they do. make something shiny and unload him on someone else. and FLEECE them. guess what just happened. Pads got OWNED.
Ummmmmm……. No. Padres had a bad outfield last year, and 2/3 of that outfield is now in Tampa Bay. And that makes the Rays the winner in this trade? Sure, guess you’re smoking your breakfast……
margot is one of the best defensive CFs
renfroe might have won a gold glove if he played 1 position.
margot .860 OPS vs lefties last year.
yeah, those 2 were terrible. NOT.
How does Margot make TB better than Pagan?
Is a Kirby Yates trade imminent?
Pagan has played with a different team every year of his 4 year career so far. When was the last time that happened?
That’s the 1st thing I thought when I saw this deal.
How much do you think Chaim Bloom likes Pagan and/or Yates?
umm cuz he’s one of the best defensive CFs. hits lefties and is young and improving. D-Rays could take you or me and get a season out of us like they did pagan. they sold high and robbed the Pads.
Sure, so since he “hits lefties”, that means you are going to be happy with him 39% of the time, since that’s the percentage of lefties in the majors. Good trade, well done…….
A Kermaier trade is what is probably coming. He is the Rays highest paid player. But trading his closer and relying on a one year wonder is not beyond Preller as we have seen in many of his acquisitions.
Every season the Rays turn some mediocre player into a shiny piece they can trade away. Pagan is just the latest one.
4 teams in 4 seasons does not say good things about Pagan.
Again the Rays are being too cute. This makes no sense just like Liberatore for platoon outfielders. Margot is terrible with the bat. Just sign Pillar if you want good CF defense.
That also makes no sense when you have a top 3 defensive CF in the MLB already.
pillar isnt good at CF anymore
But Kiermaier sure is! LOL
Kiermaier’s turning 30. His greatest skill will fade quickly as it did for Pillar. The Rays are preparing to transition to the younger Margot.
The rays don’t see arozarena as a platoon outfielder. Margot will get platooned sure. Pillar is not as good at defense as you think he is
margot is terrible? 775 OPS versus lefties. you’re dumb. dude is young, improving, and a rare whiz defensively in CF. pagan is a 1 year wonder. D-Rays fleece a team again.
He actually had a .886 OPS against lefties last year, but only .619 against righties, giving him a mediocre .691 OPS.
As I replied above, don’t mention the fact that only 39% of pitchers are lefty, so that means AJ is basing his educated opinion on this trade on 39% of his performance……. LOL
yep. cuz, guess who, the Devil Rays play a lot of platoons. and actually, when you don’t have a star in a position, that’s the way to play baseball. 2 guys combined stats being star worthy when you play a platoon. so, margot’s incredible defense plus 886 OPS on days he plays is almost star level. pagan is going to regress. you do the math.
.775 OPS against lefties … so what? That’s barely above league avg!
886 my bad. and guess what, that plus excellent defense in CF is preferable to a reliever who will regress.
Oh watch out Dodgers, here comes the Padres! Hurry and blow up your farm system for Mookie before Padres take the rug from under your feet. LOL
Yes, I am sure the Dodgers are worried as the 50 year Padre rebuild continues….
HA!!! This is so sad and true!!!
Padres don’t have the budget for Betts,. who was a pipe dream all along and was contingent on the Red Sox taking Myers, who they don’t want.
What this might be is the precusor to the Padres taking the place of the Twins in the Betts trade. Essentially Maeda for Yates from the Padres perspective, maybe with a prospect or two also going to Boston.
Myers and JBJ could be switching team in the deals, too.
Would you trade the best reliever in the game for Maeda? Neither will the Padres.
yates for maeda? you’re a special kind of dumb.
Nope, don’t like that
Confused?
Aren’t the Rays trying to compete and have plenty of Of depth?
More coming from the Rays – something up their sleeve.
It seems to me that they would want to get rid of Kiermaier. This gives them a cost effective replacement. Perhaps they have a team with interest in taking on most of KK’s deal.
I think they would love to move KK, IMO.
That helps clear up the outfield a bit. Making a great bullpen even better. I’m okay with this trade.
The PadRAYS
Renfroe and Margot
They need to trade for the Franimal
They love him in Cleveland.
…..He makes the women here in Cleveland wanna puke
It’s that shimmy
Raypads, Pham and Pagan
Nick Anderson is now the Ray’s closer!!! WOO HOO!
The rays don’t believe in closers
How many OFs do you need. Rays GM (or whoever’s in charge of this) needs to get fired.
Get real. He’s outstanding.
Zero titles = not “outstanding”
so that makes billy beane the furthest thing from outstanding i guess, strike four.
When not commenting on the strike four profile—you can find strike four as “commonsenseslapsyou”
KC would be lucky to have anybody from the Rays front office.
Detroit would trade their entire roster for one.
Huh?
Maybe the Rays are looking at another trade?
Neander has shown the ability to improve the roster or think ahead. Just a few seasons ago the Rays had a thin MLB OF outside of KK. Liberatore is still just a SP prospect & the Rays wanted to improve their hitting in the short term (Martinez) & acquire to 2 future pieces Randy A. (OF with +speed/control) & swapping out competitive balance picks (Rays moving up 28 slots).
The Rays finished 18th in run scoring in 2019.
Erik Neander, the reigning executive of the year, is a god you fool. The rays are building a superteam like the dodgers, except with 150$m less
Ah yes, the “superteam” that won’t even win their division.
really? because they Fleece EVERY TEAM in trades. they stole from the Padres here. an ascending already great defensive CF for another 1 year wonder reliever that they created.
Margot will never be better than a lifetime .240 BA let’s get real here I see a lot of envy from outside bloggers Padres came out ahead on this deal especially when Yates moves on in July
That’s wat will most likely happen. This gives them a key piece to deal Yates in July. Actually anytime between now and then, just wait for the first contending team to lose a closer to injury. Interested to see the return they could get for Yates…..
Who plays CF for the Padres now? Franchy Cordero? Trammel is probably not quite ready.
Trent Grisham
Should be a fun Spring Training!
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Legit question, any techies know why my comment was tripled up? I blame the stupid wifi… or Russians!
Not the Russians, it’s the members of the Iowa Democratic Caucus who are now running this board……
Franchy/Myers platoon could work
because Myers is such a good defensive cf. If he gets to play this year, he could strike out 300 times.
Myers will be the starter in RF.
Grisham and Cordero will be the CFers on the roster.
If Grisham/Cordero are the best CF options we’ve got, it’s going to be a long season. In fact, the only bona fide (qualty) OF on the roster now is Pham, and he’s nursing a UCL issue.
The Rays are gonna play everyone in the outfield…left field line, short left field, left centerfielder, centerfield, right centerfield, short right field, deep right field, right field line.
Analytics nerds : that’s brilliant!
And they’ll probably win 95 games doing it.
Padres attach Yates to Myers for a bag of used chewing gum?
Might as well include them in the Betts deal, along with a couple of top prospects of course.
Yates didn’t fare well in his prior TB/NY stints in the AL East. It’s not impossible, but not likely. I think boston. Isn’t too interested in a 32yr old SP, but you toss some of the young guns in and maybe???
@ATLSOXFAN
Nothing you just said makes any sense. Yates is a reliever! In fact he was the best closer in the game last year.
Typical blogger that chimes in on every trade and they think they have all the answers LOL
is this the same rays GM that traded archer for meadows & glasnow? what are they even doing this offseason?
Wait until the season and you’ll see lol. Your answer is in the question.. he knows what he’s doing
winning trades like always. DUH.
Rays fling Rays things and selling high on players coming for career years, they do this often and typically very successful in it. Not many players leave Tampa and have better years, in fact I can’t think of one. Bullpen is very very good and they usually know and understand the deep underlying stats better than anyone and see regression coming for Pagan and see untapped potential in a former top prospect. Pagan was completely expendable to a Rays organization who really doesn’t like to have a true closer
I also see this as the beginning of the end of the KK era in Tampa
No doubt. KK has become way too expensive for what he produces offensively. Not sure where he’s going but he’s going somewhere soon.
I think Margot had underperformed. He is talented but hasn’t shown much. I’m glad we moved him.
B I N G O
The Rays have a top manager and coaching staff. The Padres have not and do not.
Margot will straighten out with the Rays.
Well let’s hope Margot can hit better than .238 that he did in 2019
for a 1 year wonder reliever? NOT.
you just NAILED it.
The Pads are trying to shorten the game, very savvy.
Now all they have to do is shorten the Dodgers.
“Well, that’s the real trick, isn’t it?” – Han Solo
It’s not savvy if we can’t score runs, can’t play defense, and the SP doesn’t come through.
Only defensive liability is possibly CF now. I foresee the Starters and the hitters both rebounding as a whole this year. The ‘pen will be studly.
Not even. Do you look at any numbers? Do you watch any games? As a whole, this team is way below avg defensively.
Padres needed to move an outfielder. Plus we got something in return, score!
sell low on an improving player for a 1 year wonder? lol NOT scoring.
Margot regressed last year, evident you don’t know what’s going on duh
And you would think he would have some knowledge, since it appears to be a Padres jersey in his avatar, but I guess maybe he doesn’t actually follow the team.
Higher wRC+ and more valuable in fewer plate appearances, but sure…
886 OPS vs lefties. unsurpassable. D…. all = the utimate platoon player. i’ll take that over another reliever and one that is gonna regress at that.
Margot plus prospects for Ken Giles?
Jays already have lots of OFs with uncertain potential…. two of which are out of options. Can’t imagine they would trade for another OF unless it’s a pretty sure thing he’s better than what they already have. With Margot that’s far from certain.
We’ll take some prospects though?
And why would Tampa trade Margot for a reliever with one year of control, when they just traded away a good reliever with multiple years of control to get him?
This may be a prequel move to a subsequent Mookie trade as the Twins is out and either Rays or Padres can chime in.
Could be, we will see. It is late to make a trade, but the Padres had too many OF options
As a Rays fan, every time I see a trade made by them, my first reaction is always “what the hell are they doing?” and then it ends up working out somehow
I think you speak for every baseball fan in the world
Bloom has been doing that to RSN all winter as well. We only hope he brought some of that magic with him
You guys are going to fall in love with Renfroe.
It SEEMS like a strange deal, but there could be lots of stuff.
1. Pagan, despite some decent results, keep gets passed around like the proverbial, well, you know. Could be an off the field issue.
2. The Rays now seem to have 26 OFers. I’m sure they’ll make room (Margot’s probably a better hitter than he’s shown) ; Cash usually does this stuff well.
3. Could be the Rays are in love with Driscoll, a 2019 draft choice.
4. But the real big news is that the Rays are taking on about 2M in additional salary (Margot). That might indicate they REALLY wanted to move Pagan, for whatever reason.
Mets still need a quality full-time CF.
KK?
CF’s will be valuable for in-season trades.
Mets don’t know how to do anything right so they are done this decade with big moves Marizneck was enough for them for a decade
Rays have five true MLB-ready outfielders now, given how bad Martinez and Tsutsugo are defensively: Meadows, Renfroe, Kiermaier, Margot and Arozarena. And Kiermaier is injury-prone and ain’t getting any younger.
I for once disagree with the rays like come on you trade one of your best bullpen pieces for another outfielder like they got that Japan slugger Yoshi and Martinez from the Cards and Renfroe from the Pham trade also rumored to be in on Puig and also they have one of the top 20 players in baseball in Medows so I do not really understand this trade from the Rays prospective,
They also had the best bullpen in baseball last year and had 3 guys underperforming. The bullpen is loaded with arms and they got pagan on the cheap and will do it again with someone else. The rays don’t have a set bullpen like other teams anyways so really any player in the bullpen is a moveable piece and they know the stats and they see something in Margot. Also I bet you this is not their last trade
is there ever a last trade for the Rays….
That’s what I’m saying though, this makes even more players available now and could bring back other players to replace pagan. You can never really say the Rays won or lost any trade because they have so much turnover it never really matters
So you think this more of a Flip for the Rays because of their bullpen Depth
I 100% think so
probs Kirby to boston in mookie trade. Bloom used to work for Tampa and has been talking to SD for weeks. SD might want Maeda. Maybe Myers and JBJ switch teams, too.
You said all that with one breath? Not one period or comma until your air ran out. Good job. You made hold my breath until I finished reading it.
dude it’s just an opinion I’m just a 12yo baseball fan
In the short term, seems more likely to me that the Rays trade KK than Margot.
The Rays are stockpiling a nice pool of potential OF’ers.
it’s real simple. trading a player they turned from chicken $h!t into a 1 year wonder for a player who’s young, improving, already incredible defensively who pads sold low on. it’s called FLEECING teams. the Devil Rays just schooled another team again.
2017-.263/.313/.409
2018-.245/.292/.384
2019-.234/.304/.387
How is he improving AJ the Rastaman? Those numbers look pretty steady. In fact, his best year by a pretty large margin was his first year.
cool. i’ll take his D + 886 OPS vs lefties. perfect platoon player > than a reliever who will regress.
I for once disagree with the rays like come on you trade one of your best bullpen pieces for another outfielder like they got that Japan slugger Yoshi and Martinez from the Cards and Renfroe from the Pham trade also rumored to be in on Puig and also they have one of the top 20 players in baseball in Medows so I do not really understand this trade from the Rays perspective,
Say it twice so someone listens!
or dies holding their breath.
Me neither. But the comments above are correct, they sold high on Pagan. However, KK and Margot on the same team doesn’t make sense. Maybe they’ll flip Margot or trade KK
Kiermaier is gone
for sure now
i’ll cut and paste:it’s real simple. trading a player they turned from chicken $h!t into a 1 year wonder for a player who’s young, improving, already incredible defensively who pads sold low on. it’s called FLEECING teams. the Devil Rays just schooled another team again.
o ya and also Kevin Kermier or KK
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is setting up another move. Yates out the door to dump Myers salary? Or maybe Padres getting back into Betts deal somehow?
Could be related to Betts. Also, the Padres bullpen was garbage the first half of 2019.
This strengthens a soft spot. The Padres should win quite a few more games with an improved bullpen
Team Bloom used to work for and team he’s been talking to for weeks make a trade on the night the Twins have imposed a deadline for their Betts deal? I smell Maeda to San Diego and Yates to Boston, maybe with Myers and maybe SD taking JBJ.
that seems like a realistic trade that would not put to much heat on Bloom after trading Bettes away
I’m going to bookmark this. That sounds right on point.
San Diego has zero interest in Maeda and Boston has zero interest in Myers.
San Diego has interest in Maeda.
Boston has interest in Myers if it means unloading Betts price and jbj. They can stick him at 1st. They clear Betts price and jbj off the books it’s a huge win for Boston’s payroll.
Padres get Maeda JBJ Price
Red Sox get Myers Verdugo Cordero Quantril and Miller
Dodgers get Betts
Padres would much rather have price and jbj than Myers.
Pham Grisham JBJ makes a great OF, esp defensively.
Maeda, JBJ and Price would add $30 million to San Diego’s payroll even after losing Myers. Quantrill by himself has more value than either Maeda or Price. But SD gets to lose him, Cordero and Miller for the honor of taking on the Sox and Dodgers leftovers and rejects? Not going to happen.
Price still goes to LAD. Padres get salary relief, Maeda for the price of Yates (also salary relief as he is $7M) and probably some prospects. They take on $11M of JBJ to offset the $40 or whatever is left on Myers’ deal. Myers’s AAV is close to JBJ’s, but JBJ is off the books sooner (he can actually be cut before Spring Training for real cheap, I think).
Boston loses: Betts, JBJ and Price
Boston gains: Verdugo, Myers, Yates and maybe prospects from SD
LAD loses: Verdugo and Maeda
LAD gains: Betts and Price
SD loses Yates, Myers and maybe prospects
SD gains, Maeda and JBJ.
Basically SD taking MIN”s spot in the original three-team trade and gaining Maeda and salary relief for Yates. Pagan replaces Yates as closer (and is $6.5M cheaper).
Padres are not trading Yates for maeda. The sox wouldn’t want him anyways he only has one year left. The minute they trade betts and price they aren’t contending.
If you really want that to work the dodgers keep yates. Who they tried to trade for last year and they send high end prospects to the sox.
Maeda is on a 4 year 12 mill contract. 3 mill per year for next 4 seasons. Quantril isn’t as valuable as that, not even close, esp after his showing last year. Maeda would be a wise investment for the next 4 years, at worst a #4 or #5, much better than quantril.
Cordero can’t stay healthy and isn’t even in line as an every day player. Currently Grisham Pham and Myers are starting OF.
Bradley is on a 1 year deal and Padres keep Yates by taking him back for 1 year as a 4th OF, Price is on a 3 year deal. Padres have no need for Myers, but need pitching which Price and Maeda provide.
Maeda costs more than that.
Above his 3m base salary he gets an assignment bonus upon trade, and, then there’s the series of bonuses for games started and innings pitched respectively.
As a reliever he runs arounder 5m/yr on the lower side, and, if he maxed out, nearer 15m with bonuses, 32+ starts, and 200 IP.
Reality is Maeda is probably a 12m/yr starter with some, but not all, incentives hit.
I know this must be hard for you fans of other teams who are desperate for something to happen to save the trade that your teams are mired in but cannot complete.
Believe it or not, the Padres are entirely capable of making trades for themselves that have NOTHING TO DO with your team’s situation. The Padres are overbuilding their bullpen. It’s a very popular thing to do. They are doing it for their own good, not to facilitate their opponents trade.
Also, trying to tell a Padres fan what their team needs just makes you sound stupid. What, did you just read an article or two on mlb.com and now you think you know what the Padres need better than their die-hard fans who follow them religiously do? The Padres DO NOT NEED any more #3 to #5 starters. An ace? Yes. More rotation filler? Absolutely not, they have more than enough.
Btw, Quantrill ended up with bad numbers last year yes, but you obviously didn’t see him absolutely dominate for a month straight. You can’t see that kind of thing when all you look at is numbers. Last year was his rookie year. This year he will have an ERA below 4.00, and he is going to provide FAR more value from here on out than either Price or Maeda.
He dominated 1 month out of 5 lmao. In July….then proceeded to get destroy in August and September.
In July he pitched against San Francisco…. Twice. That’s like saying someone is an ace cause they had great games against Kansas City or Baltimore or Detroit.
He was obliterated by better teams nearly every time he pitched in April May June August and September.
Context matters. He ended up with bad numbers because he pitched himself into bad numbers.
apparently a lot of you are on crack if you think the pads would trade yates for maeda. LMAO… unbelievable.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. yates for maeda? ummm…. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA
put your crack pipe down & stop spamming this page with your delusions plz.
you don’t have to get so mad about people making unrealistic hypothetical trades.
that’s dumb too. sure, Pads trade yates to division rival & give sox high end prospects. sure. i’ll sell you a snowman outside my front door here in Tampa too. LMAO.
he’s far more valuable at his salary and control, ascending, to maeda more expensive and on the tail end of his career. you freaking DOLT. lol.
All American Johnsville Dogs…………your post is just opinion not based on fact.
Quantril was 6-3 before losing 5 straight. Perhaps Quantril was tired, first year in the league.
Time will tell on Quantril and his value-less-ness to the Padres.
All American Johnsville Dogs………..Quantril record against San Francisco was a win and a no-decision.
Quantril’s 4th loss was against the Reds, pitching 6 innings, losing 2-3.
Admittedly, Quantril’s next 3 starts allowing 8 runs against the Dodgers, the Diamondbacks (Leake with the win) and the Cubs, pitching “himself into bad numbers”. But fatigue could be a factor.
I am willing to start Quantril in 2020 before discarding him.
GO CANADA GO
GO STANFORD CARDINAL BASEBALL
They had the best BP in the NL in 2019 look it up,
Driscoll is interesting. WTH Detroit do something!
interesting deal. This makes me wonder what the plan is for Arozarena? He seemingly has a similar skillset as Margot does. In-prime players who can play CF are valuable though, and I think Margot has more upside with the bat than he has shown thus far.
One thought is that Keirmaeir’s contract is up at the end of 2022, Margot will be 28 and Arozarena will be 27 by the start of 2023, and the Rays have as team-option for KK in 2023. So, they are thinking in advance to fill key roles, cheaply, for future Rays teams.
Orrr, since this is a site for crazy rumors… maybe the Pads are jumping back in on Betts? 🙂
If some team offered the Rays 5 “Nixon’s the One” hats for KK, they’d jump up and down. Waaaaaaay to much money is due KK, and this may indeed be a pre-curser to deal him.
The Rangers badly need a cf, and have money they’ve offered around burning a hole in their pocket. If the price is mostly taking on KKs salary, that sounds like a potential match to me.
Who wants KK he’s dead wood unless they eat most of his contract
Arozarena profiles as more of a corner OF, but he has the speed to play CF. He has more pop than Margot has shown.
Although with Renfroe, Meadows, and Tsutsugo can only play a corner spot. Renfroe is a top notch defender in RF, so that is probably where he plays. Meadows probably starts in LF. Tsutsugo becomes the DH.
That leaves Kermaier as the odd man out. He has to be involved in a trade soon. I would guess after he shows in camp that he is healthy. .
Not sure where Martinez plays.
Pads preparing for a surprise Bryant trade. Bryant for Yates and prospect, Manny moves back to his favorite position, Tatis moves to 2B.
that is not enough for those prospect thirsty Cubs and they do not have the payroll to resing Bryant
Betts is going SD.
If Betts to Padres, then Price to Angels I bet.
Or Betts either they can not resign anyone he is going L.A for sure They NEED to rely on young talent they put most of their FA money in Machado and in Hosmer who both underperformed a lot in 2019
This move by the Rays ought to kill those Yasiel Puig rumors once and for all.
A’s traded Pagan to acquire Profar and now they’re teammates
sometimes the A’s don’t make sense, but like they Rays they will figure it out
Gotta be a first.
Not nearly as odd as Harry Chiti being traded for himself.
Trade Machado for Bryant.
Pass. Keep Machado
Would the choking Cubs even take on his contract?
I’m just happy the Mariners were able to get Ryon Healy back for Emilio Pagan when they did. Especially since Pagan had just wrapped a fantastic rookie season, had supremely encouraging peripherals — plus an insane amount of team control.
underrated sarcasm I got you bro
Being a Rays fan means loving the name on the front and never getting attached to the name on the back. The rays are counting on a bounce back year from Alvarado and to be honest Nick Anderson was their best reliever down the stretch he has closer written all over him with that k rate. Seems weird now but trust me the Rays always find a way to win these trades!!
they will the Rays always find a way
not sure why pads need so many relievers
Probably because their starters are still relatively young, especially when people keep referring to Paddack, Gore, Patino, etc, being in the group of starters. Those kids are not going to go out and throw 7 innings every game, probably more like 5-6. So you need some bullpen help to get you 3-4 innings a game. Now they have Stamman, Munoz, Pagan, Pomeranz, Yates, etc……… That’s a lot of quality arms to cover that gap……
Yates, Myers and prospects to Boston for Betts.
Only if Boston throws in Sale and pays his salary till his contract expires.
Yates, Myers and prospects to Boston for Maeda and JBJ. Padres take the Twins spot in the Mookie Betts trade, me thinks.
Wait so the Rays traded an above average reliever for a CF who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. And a no name prospect who won’t be catching if he makes it to the majors. Lol I usually love the moves Rays make but this one will end up as a bad trade, when margot craters to a low .200 avg and under .300 obp smh.
Driscoll was a second round pick last year. And Margot was a top prospect not to long ago. Margot also is above average defensively.
WRONG. 775 OPS against lefties means “can’t hit?” on what planet. he’s also 25 and getting better. pagan another 1 year rays creation wonder. sell high and get someone else’s sell low. have you ever noticed how the Devil Rays always fleece other teams and wonder how? this is exhibit 26 of that. pay attention cuz obviously you haven’t been.
Margot is getting worse not better look up his stats before you make some dumb statements
WRONG….. He isn’t going to hit against lefties all season, only 4 times out of 10. So you think that 40% playing time make someone into a great hitter????? So you think trading Pagan for someone who will only produce 40% of the time???? LOL, that’s laughable……
YES CUZ GREAT D PLUS 886 OPS WHEN YOU PLAY IS BETTER THAN A RELIEVER WITH AN ERA OVER 3.
You are so over-valuing Margot. Incredible.
I don’t know which commenters are worse here. The ones that believe the Rays front office can do no wrong or the ones that truly talk as if they can do a better job than them. They are both annoying in different ways.
the most annoying are the grammar correcter
I think you meant is instead of are. :o) Sorry, had to.
I think he meant “correcters” instead of “correcter,” in which case “are” would be correct
Not crazy about this trade but how can anyone argue with how the Rays do it?
I wouldn’t go as far as saying the Ray’s FO can do no wrong, but they’re really really good at what they do, given their budget. For example, in the compendium of trades, guys like Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows can trace their lineage back to Delmon Young.
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Young -> Garza -> Archer -> Glasnow & Meadows
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Of course there are more players involved, but the guys I listed were the centerpieces of their respective trades.
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So somehow the 1st round draft pick of 2003 is somehow still yielding dividends today. That’s how good the Rays are at trading….
imagine Pagan playing on the same team for more than a single year
ikr fellow philles fan
So all that remains of the Kimbrel trade is Javy Guerra, who has since been converted to a reliever and is now out of options so he’s probably going on waivers in a few months.
I’m sure many Cubs fans would say you can have Kimbrel back for nothing.
jimthegoat you have to include Pagan…plus Logan Allen was used to get Profar.
They were traded for value….not released.
logan allen was not traded for Profar
wait, sorry, thinking of the other Logan Allen.
Austin*
Logan Allen was not used to get Profar and even if he had been I don’t think I would call that “trading him for value.”
No Logan Allen was used in part to get Taylor Trammell. Which you chose to omit because that don’t gel with your “I am always right attitude!”
Padres bullpen is solid.
Munoz, Pomeranz, Stammen, Pagan, Yates. Rays are collecting OF – Meadows, Kiermaier, Margot, Martinez, Renfroe, Arozarena, Tsutsugo. I wonder if the Rays have another trade brewing.
Given that most of the starting pitchers will be lucky to get through 5 innings before they’re hammered, they’ll need to have 9 in the bullpen.
nypadre66 he didn’t even mention Castillo…..Strahm…..Johnson……Perdomo…..Wingenter……and possibly Baez and Morejon.
Pitching w’s games not OF’s who K all the time and have OBP below .300
Watch some baseball. You need balance.
So, if KK is gone as is being speculated here. Where to?
he is going to get traded to the A’s and get traded back at the deadline lol
Haha
Pirates maybe? Or are they too shook to trade with TB again?
What do they have to trade for him after that Chris Archer trade
Archer goes back to TB and they put him in the pen
That is too expensive for a pen piece especially for the Rays
For a bag of peanuts and a beer
Clearly they have faith in Grisham. Makes sense considering they went out and got him specifically.
I think a lot of Brewers fans wanted him out of there and it did not go so well because the Brewers traded away there #2 starter in Davies and the 2nd baseman they got is out 6-8 weeks with a wrist injury
So Kiermaier to the Pirates or somethin
Poor Padres. Will they ever be relevant?
Sooner than you think…
Wow. I don’t think Preller is done. There are too many relievers on this roster, but I guess it will all shake out in spring training. If the Padres aren’t contending for a wild card spot by early July I think Kirby will be dealt.
As for CF, I’d think if Franchy has a nice spring and if fully healthy, he gets the nod. He’s the most “five toolsy” guy of the options available, although I think Grisham could really surprise by taking another step up next year. Myers and Naylor in RF? Myers and Grisham in RF? Myers and Hosmer platooning at 1B? I d0n’t know, but I’d like to see them keep Myers at one position for the entire year. I’m not sure he can hit the ball anymore with all the defensive uncertainty clouding up him psyche.
Seeing as how the Padres starters consistently got shelled in the 6th inning, I do understand the bullpen build up. Have two arms ready every game at the start of the 6th, and once there is a base runner, yank the starter and bring in the heat. So many options.
I’m cautiously optimistic that the Padres will stay in the wild card race until September. But I think I say that almost every year.
I honestly don’t know what people see in Franchy Cordero. He can’t make contact, he can’t play defense and he can’t stay healthy.
By Dylan A. Chase | November 14, 2019 at 3:02pm CDT
For what it’s worth, Preller still characterized Cordero as, “One of the more talented and physically gifted players in the league in terms of a speed/power combo.”
His problem has been health. Nothing else. Every time he gets any positive momentum, he gets hurt. This is probably his last chance.
“His problem has been health. Nothing else.”
… except the aforementioned contact and defense issues.
he doesn’t have defensive issues and striking out a lot. WHO DOESN’T. except others aren’t hitting 500 feet bombs on the reg like Franchy. i love the dude. still know that this margot trade was atrocious.
Best trade the Padres made for a top RP for a below average CF
I think Yates could go to Boston for Maeda from Dodgers and SD and BOS swap bad OF contracts in Myers and JBJ. Padres take the Twins spot in the Betts/Price trade, I”m saying.
Why on Earth would Boston want Kirby Yates the one year rental if they trade Betts?
if he puts this comment on every other comment, maybe people will start believing it.
no. cuz his maeda for yates hallucination is quite frankly the dumbest $h!t i’ve ever heard.
Here I thought that the original trade didn’t work because Boston wanted a starter and viewed Graterol as only a reliever. So Boston gets Yates and who takes Price’s place in the rotation? This also assumes that the Padres want Maeda, which they don’t. It also assumes that the Padres would make a trade just to help out the Sox and Dodgers, which they wouldn’t.
Again. What would the rebuilding Red Sox do with Kirby Yates the one year rental?
Yates also did not fare well in the AL East when he played there when he was younger.
Boston doesn’t just want any starter – they got one reclamation project already in Perez.
They want a young, controllable starter with upside who is on a cheap near-minimum contract.
Yates checks none of those three boxes
yeah you dummy. and yates didn’t throw the split finger fastball back then. he’s a COMPLETE different and dominant over multiple season pitcher since he learned and started throwing it. do you even pay attention? this stuff is common knowledge. don’t worry. pads ain’t trading yates for anyone from the sux unless one of them has “Betts” on the back of his jersey.
30 ft/sec speed(premium and more than enough to steal 20+ bases and play a premium CF), hit a 490ft HR to straightaway CF(longest HR in Petco Park history), has a plus arm and he has been hitting like crazy(roughly .360/.410 in the DR) this off-season. That’s 5 at least average tools, with 2-plus and 2-double plus. You’re right jimthegoat, what’s to like?
An interesting trade. Preller is really ready for attrition from the bullpen which is a great thing. Pagan has a good arm and probably slots in as our 2nd or 3rd best bullpen arm (depending on your opinion of Pomeranz being able to keep it up) in a bullpen stacked with talent. I like that part, but I’m less enthused with losing our only plus defensive CF on the team.
Pham, Myers, Cordero and Grisham are all miscast as CFs. Pham and Cordero likely don’t have the range, Myers most certainly doesn’t and Grisham doesn’t have the arm. Having a defensive replacement of Margot was the way I saw getting away with trotting one of them out in CF to get more offense in the lineup. Still, I can’t blame Preller with being fed up with his offensive ineptitude even with him finally figuring out how to steal bases last year.
I wonder what the chances are that we see Hunter and Manny turn it up a notch with Tampa and put in all-star caliber seasons. This season certainly is make or break for Preller, and he’s taking some huge gambles overall.
Pagan’s a real get for Margot and Driscoll though. Tons of K’s and few walks in a tough division in a tough league with more control than Manny. Look at what they paid for Nick Anderson (a top-50ish prospect) who’s a similar pitcher if you squint and you see the making of a good value trade for us here even if we are adding to an already stacked bullpen. I like it, and man is this pitching staff gonna’ be fun to watch. Here’s to hoping Gore starts the year in the show (or is quickly promoted) with Patino not far behind and Yates not dealt in a separate move. People are sleeping on the pitching staff outside of Padre-fan land and are gonna’ be very surprised when they see how important it is to go so deep with quality arms.
You shouldn’t hope Gore starts the year in the show. But it would be par for the course for Preller.
Why? He probably steps in as our number 2 right now, every projection system sees him as our second best pitcher (over 3 WAR) this year. He’s legit, the only reason to keep him down would be service time shenanigans.
I live about an hour outside of Amarillo. I’ve seen him pitch live a couple times. He’s definitely legit.
Service time is the only reason they need to keep him down. And even that would only be for 2-3 weeks.
He is awesome but he still has work to do. It is said that he usually only has 2 pitches working for him at a time. He still dominates, but he does it with 2 pitches. All 4 grade as plus, they just don’t all grade that way on the same night. He needs to increase his familiarity and comfort level with all of his secondaries so he can get them all working at the same time. That kind of thing is done in the minors.
Why goat, We all hope Gore does make the starting rotation out of ST, If he comes on like Paddack last year he’s a shoe in for sure. If he starts the year he’ll end up with 15 W’s his first season and could being us a wild card. Of course Myers has to platoon with Naylor and things will be good if Tingley does this.
Jankowski may be back on waivers soon given the Reds’ suddenly crowded OF.
Jank or another 26th-man for late-inning CF defense not already in the roster could break camp with the Padres.
dude. margot can hit lefties and is improving. pagan is a one year wonder, and worse, a devil ray creation. we got fleeced. period.
LOL AJ Rastaman you don’t have a clue you sound like Monkey Boy before they kicked him off this page.I don’t know what team or fan you are but its certainly not a Padre, your annoying for sure
fan since 79 you dip$h!t. & more of a clue than you or anyone else who thinks pads won this trade.
If the Rays would be willing to take Wil Myers back they would have the Padres starting Outfield from last season.
At Pagan’s current pace he will pass Edwin Jackson’s record in 2031 (assuming he continues to play for a new team every season).
This trade helps both teams. Margot has underperformed and needed a change. The Rays needed his 20 stolen bases too. Lost too much speed with Pham gone. I think Margot will do better with the change. This took away not just a backup OF but two of the Padres starting four OF’ers..’
Hmmm….this does seem like SD could be setting themselves up for a trade with Boston; I’m just not sure they’d agree to a 3 team trade with one of those teams being the Dodgers and the Dodgers ending up with Mookie.
Now that SD knows Boston is willing to eat 50% of Price’s deal, I wonder if they take on both, provided that Boston takes back Myers of course. Not optimal for Boston and their CBT issue but if they can get better prospects out of SD then this could have some legs.
I doubt SD ends up with Betts. Their owner doesn’t see to want to add payroll.
Getting salary relief and Maeda would be a good deal for them, though.
If you believe spotrac figures, boston projects about $41m over cbt when benefits etc are added.
If 27m mookie, 16m price, and 11m jbj drop off the books they can afford to take back on up to 13m throughout the year and/or in salaries of players coming the other direction.
Just moving price/mookie doesn’t really leave room, although in theory they could release jbj, try to sign holt/puig/??? cheap and platoon someone with jdm in a corner of.
Better question, can BOS/LAD negotiate on the side with SD since there was an agreement in principle in place involving MIN? I’d think you need to formally cancel the existing arrangement with MIN first.
Why on earth would Boston take back Myers?! Unless Gore or Trammel were involved, which they are not, a deal would be done by now.
Kiermaier is starting to make some serious money. $10,166,666 per year. If there is one thing the Rays hate, it’s paying high salaries. Look for him to be next to go.
I could see how the delay on the Betts deal holds up a Bradley deal. It is possible that a team has pivoted to Kevin Kiermaier with the season so close.
Pagan only had a 60% save percentage. But his other numbers are very solid. k/9 over 10.
Whip under 1. Excellent era. The guy will make a great 8th inning guy in the Padre pen.
Relievers come and go and Tampa Bay knows this. Pagan on his fourth team in four years can attest to that. Unless you’re an elite closer, you’re not much that much.
Rays speculating that the new baseball will be dead? Lots of defensive and contact driven acquisitions.
Renfroe is all about power. He also plays excellent defense.
Renfore also K’s 40% of the time and is terrible with a bad OBP, the last thing SD needed was an OF who hits a bomb or K’s three times a game.
Renfroe only struck out in 31% of his plate appearances in 2019.
@nowheretogo ….
Your numbers on Renfroe are completely wrong. Did you just make them up?
Questioning rays leadership lolz……the pride of men
It was time to move on from Margot…but betting on Franchy to stay healthy?
Pads pen is legit and people forget they are also getting Jose Castillo back
Lastly, anyone who thinks the Padres are going to help the Doyers get Betts is a fool
Does this mean more playing time for Grisham? I think I saw their depth chart had him behind Margot in center
I would be hesitant to deal with the Rays. That being said They must have money in the bank because they don’t spend it on the product in the field.
Bloom knows the talent pool, esp the pitching pool. Benny is a Rays type player; 2 years $10 M for Kiermaier and a pitcher from the 40 man roster. I have always loved the way Benny plays but he may fit better elsewhere.
Dalbec is blocked with the Sox; he may be someone to dangle as a trade possibility.
exactly. never deal with the Devil Rays.
unbelievable. Devil Rays fleece another team AGAIN. Padres fan in Tampa & can’t believe we gave away a 1st rate young defensive centerfielder who kills left handed pitching for another Devil Ray successful reclamation pitcher who will disappear back amongst the masses now that he is no longer a Devil Ray. oh wait, AND we gave up a versatile young player we drafted in the 2nd round in 2019? we were already killed in this trade before we threw in the prospect. unfreakingbelieveable. YO… PRELLER! WHEN THE RAYS ARE CALLING YOU ON THE PHONE… DON’T. FREAKING. ANSWER. THE CALL! cuz you are going to get OWNED. whoops… too late.
Na man… if the padres want a rp they win this all the time. Hand yates linebrink adams bell etc etc
yeah. back in the Towers days. that’s what the Devil Rays do nowadays.
It’s early in 2020, but here’s a nomination for worst take of the year.
Margot kills lefthanders? Batted .330 in 2019 vs. LHP with a whopping 2 HRs. In 2018? Batted .238 vs. LHP with a .280 OBP. Projected as a 1.0 WAR player by Steamer in 2020.
In exchange the Padres received MLB’s 8th best closer of 2020. No. 1 was Yates. Yet Pagan’s opposing hitters’ wOBA was actually better than Yates. Four controllable years. Strikeout/popup rate among top 5 in baseball.
Good Lord.
Way to cherry pick. .278/.338/.437/.775 career vs LHP and last season he was even better at .330/.420/.466/.886.
Projections are worth their weight in well, nothing. Because they always wrong. Margot has averaged 2 WAR the last 3 seasons. That is what he is.
Pagan was a setup man in Tampa and he will be a setup man in San Diego. That still doesn’t solve their overwhelming lack of starting pitching, Where are they going to turn when Richards and Lamet are shut down after 120-140 IP? What are they going to do when injuries happen to their starting rotation? We know they will, so who is going to step in and eat those innings?
You are also cherry picking…… The fact is, left handed pitchers only make up 39% of the major leagues. So are you going to ignore the other 61% of the time he is going to suck? Or are you just planning on him being a platoon player against lefties? If it’s the latter, then you are admitting the Rays just traded a top- notch RP for a platoon outfielder that won’t even play 50% of the time……And yes, it does solve some problems in San Diego’s starting pitching problem, if they now have someone to pitch an extra inning each game to make up for what the starters can’t go.
i’ll answer both of these points at once. gore and patino could both be up and if so i’m sure they will be league average at best… to fill in those spots. plus quantrill – luchessi loser + morejon. THE LAST THING WE NEEDED IN THE OFFSEASON WAS STARTING PITCHING. and you’re most likely wrong if you think pagan is a “top notch” RP and going to repeat the season he had when it’s a career outlier and it happened when he was with the devil rays, who VERY OFTEN polish a turd before selling high. pagan’s ERA will go above 3 this year. that’s average for a RP.
Sounds like you know it all, NOT, your explanation are so far off base you need to get yuour brain in the game. Yes Stats do count just like when it comes time to bring forth arb numbers,
Padres came out better in this trade at the end of 2020 you’ll see Margot hitting another .240 with Pagan having an ERA under 3.00, then tell us your next story, LOL
Pagan is 29. He has exactly ONE good season out of three. He’s now on his 4th team. He’s a dice roll at best. But, I’d roll those dice.
Margot will continue to crush lefties, play great defense, & i doubt pagan will be under 3.00
dude its not 2006 please stop saying “Devil Rays” are you also a Boston Braves and Washington Senators fan?
i don’t give an F what year it is. the logo, colors, uniform design, mascot, EVERYTHING was better as Devil Rays so that’s what i’ll call them all the time.
Oh your getting festy, tough guy, just too bad you don’t have a clue about the game stop living in the past, try and clean up your message or you’ll be off the board for good
ooo threats! clean up my message? how about clean the sand out of your V, crybaby. lol.
After being up for 15 hours this post does not even say whether this reliever is right-handed or left-handed. Is no one proofing these things?
Pagan was tough last year. Glad to see him out of the AL East for a slap hitter/4th outfield type.
Padres Fan, here……… I will miss Manny after all these years with the Friars. Devil Rays Fans, you got a great pick up here- Offensively, and, especially, Defensively. However, because of this trade, by bringing in Pagan to add to our already stacked Bullpen, (Kirby Yates, Drew Pomeranz, and Craig Stammen), I can now say with confidence that: The Friars have the best Bullpen in The National League.
Did you say offensively, you’re kidding, look at his BA last year a whopping .238 I really hope Manny does better in the AL East but I have my doubts
Not sure what the Padres are doing. A position player for a reliever when their biggest holes are on the starting pitching rotation. Leaving CF to a rookie who has not impressed at any level of baseball. No OF depth at all.
That’s why your not a GM but a back seat observer who lives on the negative side of the tracks
hey clean up your messages already. negative side of the tracks? sounds pretty condescending and racist to me. lol
So typical these days: “I don’t agree with you, therefore you are racist.”
Sad.
Good bullpen move, but the Padres media still doesnt have to lie about this year being “The Year” or year to compete with very minimal SP moves.. We don’t have an solid Ace yet nor did we invest much in starting pitching, when we needed it, not relying just on potential, but consistent, experienced starters. Paddick seems to be our Ace, which he can be, but two problems 1) not a lot of experience, 2) a lot of pressure under his belt. 2-5 guys might be solid, and we don’t know how Richards will perform out of TJ, not to mention overpaid him essentially for one year, or this year. We should work on getting some solid SP in our rotation, even one guy for damn starters. It would be a different story if this was a setup year, which would be fine for me if they were actually honest about it., if thats the case. Offense is okay for me, its the rotation that needs the most work, and no im not suggesting overpay for a guy like Dallas or Wheeler, I’d prefer trading for some prospects, if we are supposdely in it to win it this year.
Padres won’t be ahead in 5th inning….bullpen value diminished. Margot needs an opportunity. Preller gave up on him….stupid. PADRES can’t do development. The players don’t get better. Renfroe struggled….they sent him down. The coaches suck. We have to overpay for hosmer and manny. Time for Fowler to clean house. Down with Brown.
You must be a Doyger fan or a Gnat fan, certainly not a Padre fan. So glad your not a GM we can put some money up front I’ll say Padres come in with 82W’s in 2020. Put up or shut up.
Well said, here.
Preller “gave up” on Margot? Preller put him in the starting lineup from Day One. You might want to look at how many ABs and games played Margot had before you make that claim. Margot played himself into mediocrity. If anything, Preller gave him too much opportunity.
You’re probably an Indiana Indians fan.
KK is probably on the market now. Money saving move, also provides an option to JBJ for teams needing a CF. Maybe Tampa would like to see Boston stuck with paying JBJ.
Margot helps maintain a defensive priority established by KK, and he is more durable. Maybe he can get coached up to hit a little better against righties.
Nick Anderson became a beast, and he was a waiver pickup last year. Pen is still fine. Tampa squeezes a lot of production from what they have to work with, and they are great at evaluating talent.
I’m looking forward to their next move.
My bad – Anderson was a waiver pickup, but Marlins had done that. Tampa traded for him midseason. Got confused as both teams are in Florida. They both saw something.