The Astros have been a juggernaut dating back to 2017, evidenced by their three 100-win efforts, two American League pennants and World Series title. However, thanks to the sign-stealing scandal from their championship-winning campaign, the Astros’ recent excellence has been sullied in the minds of many observers. Although the club’s the reigning AL champion, it’s now going into 2020 with plenty to prove on the field. It also has a new GM and manager, having parted with the eminently successful Jeff Luhnow-A.J. Hinch duo after MLB issued each of them one-year suspensions for their roles in Houston’s misdeeds.
With spring training closing in, the Astros moved quickly to replace Luhnow and Hinch after firing them in mid-January. They tabbed former Rays vice president of baseball operations James Click on Monday to take over for Luhnow in the wake of selecting veteran Dusty Baker as their new manager last week. Click’s coming over from an organization known for doing a lot with a little, but despite the chaos that has enveloped the Astros, he’s not walking into a franchise low on talent. The 70-year-old Baker, meanwhile, is a calming influence and a longtime winner whom the Astros hope will help them sail through stormy waters.
Of course, one of the knocks on Baker is that he has never helped guide a team to a title in his 22 seasons as a manager. Could that change in 2020? Perhaps, though he’s inheriting a roster that has taken some hits this offseason. There’s no more ace Gerrit Cole, who left for the hated Yankees for a record contract after two straight sterling seasons in Houston. There’s also no more standout reliever Will Harris, who became a National in free agency, or offensive-minded catcher Robinson Chirinos (now a member of the division-rival Rangers). And the Astros haven’t done anything remotely splashy via the trade or free-agent markets (the latter of which is all but devoid of impact players now) to cover for their key departures or strengthen other aspects of their roster.
While this has not been a banner winter for the Astros, they do still look to be contenders on paper. Last year’s all-world offense – one fronted by Alex Bregman, Yordan Alvarez, Jose Altuve, George Springer and Michael Brantley, among others – remains intact. Better still, the Astros could get full seasons from Alvarez (the 2019 AL Rookie of the Year whom they didn’t promote until almost halfway through June) and the Altuve-Springer-Carlos Correa trio after those stars were limited by injuries in the most recent campaign. And while Cole and now-Red Wade Miley are gone from their rotation, the Astros still boast an elite top two with reigning AL Cy Young winner Justin Verlander and Zack Greinke. They’ll also get Lance McCullers Jr. back from Tommy John surgery, though it’s up in the air how the rest of Houston’s starting staff will look once Opening Day arrives.
As nightmarish as this winter has been for the Astros, there’s no denying there’s plenty of talent still on hand. However, another 107-win season may be too much to ask – especially with their division having gotten stronger in recent months. The Athletics, a 97-win club twice in a row, look capable of challenging for the crown. Meantime, the Angels and Rangers appear to have made significant improvements after the pair stumbled to sub-.500 records a year ago. All that said, how do you expect the scandal-ridden Astros to fare this season?
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C-Daddy
Still a 95+ win team, with or without the trash cans.
Baseball 1600
Nah
Four4fore
A’s are a 85-90 win team, the rest of the division looks to be sub .500.
Jockstrapper
Hahahahaha
delete
I think you have to expect some fall off considering they lose Gerrit Cole in addition to now no longer knowing what pitch and location are coming. Not to mention the psychological impact of being treated like absolute scumbags everywhere they go which is absolutely going to happen
newtzb0ss
I dont think you realize they stopped the sign stealing in early 2018, 2019 was completely clean.. they won 107 games last year..
delete
I don’t think you realize that no one believes that. Teams were very transparent about the fact that they believe the Astros were cheating in the playoffs last year. The Nationals famously took extreme measures in order to thwart Astros cheating attempts in the World Series. So let’s not pretend that just because the commissioners investigation was limited to 2017 that the Astros automatically magically decided to stop cheating after that year.
Orbit
So you believe that it didn’t stop….so does that mean you believe that other teams around the league aren’t cheating at all? Because L.O.L. if so
delete
Dude seriously wake up. The Astros were so blatant in their cheating. No other team can possibly compare. They so obviously have been knowing what pitches are coming. They start swinging before the ball is even released from the pitcher’s hand and sell out so hardcore for certain pitches. It is unbelievably transparent.
bhambrave
His name is Orbit. I bet his son is named Elroy and his daughter is Judy. We know what his dog’s name is.
dirkg
Lol. Google “Robinson Chirinos Buzzer” and you’ll see video from this past World Series (2019). IMO this may be the most egregious proof of all …
PinstripedPride
Yep @dirkg, that video evidence is so damning. And the lengths he goes to in order to prevent the umpire discovering it after it falls off makes the scene even worse
teufelshunde4
You really think they stopped? Lets see win a World Series then stop after that success.. LMAO
LaFlamaBlanca
@Newtzb0ss…is that a fact or an opinion???? Where is the evidence to support your statement??? Where you part of the team somehow ???
Ralphie
Yeah sure, cause cheaters just stop out of the blue.
MarinerMiner
Well A-Roid said he only took roids that one MVP year in Texas…oh he was caught two more times after? Never mind….
oldoak33
Were the Astros using buzzers under their shirts or taped to the ends of their bats?
oldoak33
So damning? It’s stuck to his thumb and he leaves it there after pointing out to the umpire that it was an authentication sticker at the end of his bat.
sevans36
Probably both. Stinks bc they are such a gifted team without that nonsense. What what verlander and his cohorts thought about the cheating. Don’t say they didn’t know of it.
brucenewton
The trash cans and/or buzzers ran from May 2017 through October 2019. The Nationals knew of their sign stealing and were prepared for it. Without that knowledge the Astros win it all again in 2019.
empirejim
Why in the world would the Astros players stop cheating? They got a Championship, they padded their stats, they padded their wallets. MLB did nothing to them when they got caught. And it’s not like they have integrity or anything resembling it. All they will do is cheat on a higher level and laugh about MLB’s impotent response.
Prospectnvstr
I don’t think you realize that the Astros were 53-28 ON THE ROAD in 2017. That record was TIED FOR 1ST in MLB that year. Yes, they did cheat on some games at home. They didn’t have access to their “magical” trashcan technology on the road. Don’t let facts get in the way of reality.
Lovinmlb
Should have a poll on how many plan to boo them. Really interesting team. People will watch to see how they are treated. To see how well their hitters do without cheating.
User 4245925809
Maybe fans in oakland will bang on trash cans instead of blowing those annoying bugles then?
missing the moustaches
Bugles? A’s fans in right field are banging on drums!
DrDan75
I think teams should distribute little trash cans and hammers to all the fans when the Astros come to town.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Can their new GM also hack rival team’s computers and can their pitchers still use pine tar?
MysteryWhiteBoy
Yeah, their GM didn’t hack any computers in the first place. As a matter of fact it wasn’t any team’s GM, but it also wasn’t the Astros doing the hacking
teufelshunde4
Just stealing IP from previous employers..
jbeerj
That’s the cards, not the ‘stros.
ronnyalton
Am I paranoid for thinking this was a bait question???
Vladguerrerojr20
90-94 the loss of Gerrit cole, 2 aces on the wrong side of 35 and no sign stealing. They’re just lucky they’re in the AL west.
the trading block
I’ll believe that when I see it
Kewldood69
TrashStro’s
Randy_Watson
Such a creative mind you possess
nymetsking
Shows creativity in adding possession to plural nouns too.
DrDan75
We called them the Lastros and the Disastros when I was growing up in the 80’s.
Royalsfan12
Literally did nothing this offseason. Only new addition is Garneau (plus a couple re-signs). While the Astros lost Gerrit Cole, Robinson Chirinos, Will Harris, Wade Miley, and Hector Rondon. I expect around 80 wins cuz they still got Verlander, Altuve, and Bregman.
newtzb0ss
80 wins? Are you retarded? they won 107 last year. that’s almost 30 less wins you’re predicting, just from losing one star pitcher.
DarkSide830
cmon man. chill with the language.
chesteraarthur
C’mon man, chill with the language policing.
Randy_Watson
80 wins?!!! LMAO, it’s time to hop your ass off the web & pack it in for the night!
Vizionaire
Try to play baseball when the whole stadium is filled with “Cheaters, cheaters!”
Robncypress57
Best offense in mlb baseball in 2019 with a 40.8 WAR, top ranked prospect Kyle Tucker starts in RF replacing weak hitting Josh Reddick, McCullers is back with some top arms such as James, Javier, Whitley, Abreu, and many others. Losing Cole will be tough no doubt. Astros win 97 games and take the AL West again.
teufelshunde4
Only cause the West has been trash. Hence the name Trashtro’s
A'sfaninLondonUK
Hogwash & nonsense. Collectively the West won more games than any of the other five divisions in 2019. Same happened in 2018. Must be all five teams cheating…
thickiedon
Tucker is no sure thing. James?!? Lol. Whitley is horrible.
jdgoat
It’s worth remembering they’re getting a full season out of Greinke this year and potentially McCullers. Those were the additions.
nymetsking
Literally?
MysteryWhiteBoy
MVP, MVP runner up, Cy young runner up, and that is hardly the only three pieces this team has, you silly silly little person
bhambrave
Cheaters all.
DrDan75
80 wins by August maybe.
DrDan75
80 wins by August maybe.
throwinched10
They will win less than last year. Losing Gerrit Cole will hurt more than people realize. Is Tucker ready for a starting role? Does Alvarez show regression? Also, to assume that Verlander will repeat is silly, given his age. He will still be very good but to think that a repeat of 2018 automatic is a sucker’s bet.
MysteryWhiteBoy
Cole hurts for sure, but a full season of Grienke definitely helps, plus McCullers is back as well
sufferforsnakes
Good enough that they didn’t need to cheat. Then again, maybe not good enough to win without cheating.
8
no way jose altuve hits more than 10 home runs this year.
Robncypress57
A healthy Altuve will hit 30+ HRs in 2020.
nymetsking
Not likely. His 31 in a year where the entire league was inflated was the only time he’s topped 24.
bhambrave
Without the trashcans? I don’t think so.
oldoak33
In 2017, Altuve hit 15 HR on the road and 9 at home. His home road splits were non existent. The only evidence that exists of Altuve being involved with the trash can scheme is banging 2% of all pitches he saw at home, researched by someone that watched and listened every pitch thrown at home that year.
bronxbombers
That’s not to mention the non bangs for fastballs. Which could double that number.
sithdude
Ok a little stretch I’m assuming on your claim but Altuve cheated the MVP away from Trout in 2017. If the Red Sox with Cora cheated in 2018 and it benefited Betts, Trout potentially would have 5 MVPs right now. And don’t even defend Bregman this past season with his cheating. Pull up any claim or percentage you want but there’s no defense, fact is Altuve cheated and his stats are most likely inflated. I don’t see him hitting over 24 again.
thickiedon
The trash can scheme probably pales in comparison to buzzer scheme
Rudy Zolteck
Lol dudes really out here thinking Altuve needed a buzzer to hit a hanger off Chapman. Alright man.
VegasSDfan
TrashBros 85-89 tops
Jimmy Johnson’s Ghost
Any team with Dusty at the helm is sure to underachieve. 85 wins tops
wordonthestreet
Dustys teams rarely under achieve in the regular season.
nymetsking
True. They’ll lose the divisional round, blowing a 2-1 series lead.
Rangers29
Going by logic, the Astros lost pieces Like Cole, Chirinos and Harris. The Angels got Rendon and a few viable starters. The Rangers made a top 10 starting rotation. The A’s didn’t do anything, but they have more good young pieces coming up. The Astros had to change the Gm and Manager, so they will have to adjust to the new clubhouse feel. Still a good team, but with more competition, I do not see how they are not a 90-94 win team.
retire21
Oddly phrased argument for the Astros to be awesome.
HalosHeavenJJ
The only thing they should really be concerned about is Father Time catching up to Verlander and Greinke.
The AL West is a pretty decent division but even with Oakland’s emerging staff and the Angels and Rangers improvements, a healthy Houston wins mid 90s games.
Boogaloo
Need to factor in games lost to injury for all the hit by pitches that are coming to these scumbags.
Altuve and Bregman better work on thier ducking skills.
Rudy Zolteck
Lol ok Internet tough guy, hit everybody you don’t like, man. MLBTR army at it again.
jsxanatos
i just hope the astros hitters get thrown at so many times this year. i hope the first pitcher to do it realizes that they will be a hero
nymetsking
A hero? lol
jsxanatos
do you not remember the cheers that ryan dempster got when he threw at alex rodriguez 3 or 4 times? probably not because you’re a mets fan
stevebaratta
I’m a Cubs fan, and the thing I remember most about Dempster is him blowing playoff games 2 years in a row. I think it was in the first inning each time. Yet fans love him at the Cubs convention, go figure.
Lovinmlb
Went with high 90s wins. There lineup is just beast with 6 all star level guys. Still have a #1 #2 starter. Can trade for another if needed. There best chance at a world series is now. Need to prove the cheating didn’t help that much. Brantley and Springer are free agents after this season. Won’t be cheap to resign. They need to be mentally strong cause this is it.
bhambrave
Frauds.
rycm131
Solid
DarrenDreifortsContract
Without cheating they are a 60 win team. 40 wins if Dusty runs Verlander and Greinke into the ground.
Rangers29
Yep it’s them and the Tigers!
jsxanatos
have they lowered ticket prices at comerica park yet. i haven’t gone to a game since the rally goose game in 2018. don’t think i should ruin a good thing
eyesaiah
Obviously still an elite team, I’m not going to put a number on it but they won’t fall off like the Red Sox that’s for sure
jsxanatos
red sox always win the world series and then fall off a cliff the following year. now it’s the astros turn, even though they lost in the world series last year
Rangers29
Actually this post has me thinking about something, and that is, Who is the new worst team in 2020? Do the Tigers repeat, maybe the orioles, I personally think that the Marlins will be better than people think (still bad though), maybe the Giants or Pirates? I think Orioles just because they have lost more good players, and are now in an even stronger AL east.
teufelshunde4
Bucs have been gutted… Giants still have a few players who can help win 65 or 70 games.
Pretty much Bell is the only decent regular in lineup. Archer is a shell of his Rays time.
stratcrowder
Weakened a bit, but geez, they’re still pretty strong.
stratcrowder
I’ll add that I think they’re still a 90+ win team as is. On paper.
mkeyankee
I would be comfortable calling their cheating good for 25 extra home wins (including questionable games). A bet for sub 80 is alright. Most likely an 85 win team.
poolerh
You’re way over estimating how much cheating actually helped them. It may have gained them a handful of extra wins in 2017. But 25 is a stretch.
jonesadoug
I don’t know how you all feel but I would like to see people holding up banners about 20 ft long right behind thier dugout at each game calling them cheaters. it will get to them but they deserve all the flap they can get
jsxanatos
i wanted to do this at a tigers game because nobody will be there. any ideas for what to write on a sign.
Rangers29
Progress
jonesadoug
CHEATERS
em650r
Can Dusty Baker be a good manager for this year?
bhambrave
I bet every Astros road game sells out, just so the fans can boo the cheaters and frauds.
jsxanatos
based, i want to go to comerica park for this exact reason
PinstripedPride
The Angels have already sold 800+ tickets to Dodgers fans so they can come boo the Astros.
ericl
The Astros road splits in 2017 were actually better than their home splits. They honestly didn’t even need to be stealing signs and that make the whole thing even more stupid. As for this season, the Astros’ lineup is steal loaded. Their pitching staff has taken a step back, but the division they play in is not that great. The A’s are a good team, but have their own flaws. The Angels pitching is still not good enough. The Mariners are bad. The Rangers have improved, but they’re still not as good as the Astros. Even with everything that has gone on & with the loss of Cole & Miley from the rotation, the Astros still have to be considered division favorites
jb19
No one in the comments section or media has made mention that their road splits were better than home splits in 2017. They just assume they got better at “cheating.” It’s become tiring listening to these morons.
jdgoat
I do not like the Astros but I think a lot of people are just simply blinded by hate. They make up anything to fit their own narrative, no matter how farfetched or unrealistic it is.
poolerh
As an Astros fan, I am deeply disappointed in them. However, the home / road splits in this case are irrelevant. The hard and cold fact is they broke the rules, and if Hinch would have had the backbone to stop it we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.
chesteraarthur
It’s absolutely relevant when you’re discussing how you think the team will perform.
poolerh
Home / road splits from 2017 are irrelevant for predicting any future performance. My point was that it didn’t matter what the splits were, the Astros cheated and broke the rules.
logan26
Who cares how good they are. They are cheaters and no good for baseball. Trashtros.
Simonmike
If you picked fewer than 90 you don’t have any brain cells or are an absolute hater.
teufelshunde4
After seeing a championship caliber team cheat its way to a title, get caught red handed then act like its no biggie.. Trashtro’s deserve nothing but hate..
Oh they still have talent, but they arent an all time great team. Just nothing more then cheaters. They blew their chance to make peace with fans, all it would have taken was some contrition & time. People love giving 2nd chances.
empirejim
If I’m an absolute hater it’s because the Astros are absolute cheaters. A stunning lack of integrity from the top down. Players and coaches sold out and for what? A TAINTED championship. The Astros are the Barry Bonds of organizations. Ya, it’s in the record books. But NOBODY respects it. The Astros are just a bunch of cheaters patting each other on the back……
worthington
They won’t win the Div. Verlander and Greinke are going to show their age. They have nothing else. Correa back is going to flare up. 86 wins.
Moneyballer
They have a loaded roster and McCullers is back. They will still be one of baseball’s best even though they are a bunch of cheating little turds!
Moneyballer
Too much talent not to be good but I absolutely want this team to suck! I will take great pleasure every time they lose this season especially when they lose at home.
Im thinking about bringing a trash can to their stadium and pounding on that thing during every single pitch! I have a feeling many players will be wearing a lot of inside fastballs this year. Get ready trashtros!
oldoak33
You need several new hobbies.
Rudy Zolteck
Peak MLBTR comment right here. Always reassures me not to take this site seriously.
R.D.
I think we’re gonna see a huge step back. It’s a very good thing they got Greinke. The division is the A’s to lose.
bigdaddyhacks
In all seriousness 86 wins. They are in for it this year. Can’t cheat, teams will be coming for them and guys will be sore from getting hit by 29 teams worth of starters.
oldoak33
Dude, they weren’t cheating in 2019 and they were the arguably the best Astros team In history. If you think the league wasn’t investigating them long before October of 2019 you’re daft.
sevans36
Yes they were. Robinson chirinos in the World Series. Google it.
Rudy Zolteck
If this was so obvious then why didn’t MLB include it in their report? Wouldn’t they want to come down hard on the Astros?
chesteraarthur
This line of thinking is stupid. Teams will run through their pitching staffs incredibly quickly if they are blatantly throwing at Astros hitters.
Rmee4life
I hope they do throw at them, pitcher will be ejected and 2 pitches later they will be standing on third! The team motto on the road will be “Make’m Boo Harder”
LaFlamaBlanca
A lot of people are underestimating both the Angels and Rangers. I love it though, it’ll make plenty of headlines, create confusion, and prove this division is nothing to sneeze at. I’m one of the people that think Houston will be pressing and the controversy that follows will divide the clubhouse which many people don’t realize makes or breaks your season. Team chemistry goes along way in professional sports.
bigwestbaseball
Astros are cheating scum bags.
dirkg
A lot of variables this season:
…
* Dusty managing
* Click GM
* Booing fans (opponents)
* Constant questions from media
* Cheating security blanket removed
* Player personality changes (will Bregman pose for the camera? is Altuve still mighty mouse?)
* Gerrit Cole removed
* Other key players removed (Chirinos, Harris, etc)
* Father time’s impact on the rotation
* Rest of AL West improving
…
Obviously they’re still going to be the favorites in the AL West, but with the above factors in mind, it’s going to be quite the challenge to continue the same amount of success.
LaFlamaBlanca
Lmao this comment section is littered with Astro illusionist. Let me break it down and shine a little perspective on you guys. First and foremost the astros will have the toughest season in terms of dealing with the psychological aspect of the game. Every away game played will be filled with boos and negative taunts and it will be a media nightmare with reporters constantly referencing the cheating, not to mention the 29 other teams backlash to the cheating. And in terms of stats they will attempt to replace a combined 499 IP, 43 Wins, and 15.5war (cole, miley, harris, rondon, and chirinos). Mcculler’s previous career high is 128 innings and he is coming off tommy john how exactly is this going to be a full season or crazy impact?? Their top 2 pitchers will be 36 & 37 years old realistically how much longer can they keep this up and or stay healthy??? Honestly if either one of greinke or verlander sputters a bit the Astros might not even make the playoffs altogether. Correa, altuve, and springer were all hurt at one point in 2019. It just seems that everything will have to go perfect in order for things to work out. Everyone but the mariners and astros got better. If the Angels can get a legit starter and Texas a legit middle of the order bat it’ll be a really interesting AL West race.
southsidemelting.
Trash can good?
coldbeer
Feast your eyes on this:
<79.5 wins
+175
Who's in?
bhambrave
I think it’s both funny and sad that Astros fans are defending this team. It’s indefensible.
chesteraarthur
Saying a team will perform well is not necessarily defending them.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’m a White Sox fan, not an Astros fan. I see the talent that’s still there. People who think most of their success came from cheating are probably wrong. We’ll see. I don’t have to approve of a team to say they’re good. The Patriots have cheated several times; Tom Brady is still among the best QB’s ever. Bonds is the poster-child for cheating; I don’t believe he belongs in the HoF, but he is one of the most talented OFs ever.
jdan74
The Houstealin Asterisks.
its_happening
Starting pitching is vulnerable. If they perform, the division is theirs. If they falter the AL West is up for grabs. Houston will still hit.
shortytallz
Dustros good for 85 wins, max
bravesfan
They are still a darn good team. The lack of trash cans this year doesn’t concern me as much as some of the talent they lost. But I think their farm is deep enough to replace what they lost pretty well. However, because of the loss of guys like cole and their coach/gm …. I’m not gonna be shocked if they take a pretty big step back this year.
HartnellDown
Who knows? We may be actually seeing for the first time, post trash can ban.
HartnellDown
Seeing them*
tigerdoc616
Cheating scandal aside, the loss of Cole is going to hurt. That, and the fact that the division has overall improved will make things a lot tougher on the Astros. Still likely a playoff team. But a couple of breaks go the wrong way and they could be sitting home in October. Their margin for error is thin this season.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I agree on Cole. I think that loss costs them about 6 wins from last year.
jjd002
Anyone that doesn’t think they are at minimum 92 win game is smoking some good stuff. Losing Cole and dealing with all the crap they are going to hear will cost them those 10-15 games. They’ll still win the division.
brucenewton
Yeah Verlander and Greinke need to stem Father Time another year. McCullers will be on an innings limit and likely unavailable late in the year. Rotation is very vulnerable.
dugmet
Played .580 on the road + some regression and – Cole = 88 or fewer wins.
echozulu88
Let’s say they win 95+ and their division; is everyone going to scream they must still be cheating or say okay they cheated but are still a great team?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’ll say what I’m saying now: they’re still very talented. I expect 94-96 wins from them. Verlander and Greinke are still very good, Alvarez looks like a great hitter, and they still have guys like Bregman and Springer. Some of their wins probably came from cheating and that sucks, but there’s still a lot of high-end talent on that team.
dimelotitony
I don’t think even with the team constructed that they will win 95+ games it sure feels more like 85-88 games you have another older year of Verlander & Greinke along with a Tommy John Bounceback in McCullers whom will be limited. They are also banking on M.Brantley to not go back to his d.l days when he was with the Indians as well as Yordan Alvarez to fight off that last year was not a fluke. plus their bullpen and starting rotation is not at any strength and the toll of being labeled cheaters will surely get to them.
Also Angels and Texas will be much improved and Houston will not go again 56-20 against their own division and A’s will always give them a challenge.
That is why I’m thinking 85-88 games and let’s not forget Grienke a whole year in the A.L. will get to him.
empirejim
Who cares? They are as tainted as a three-dollar hooker. Strip those cheating biotches of their title so we can move on. MLB Commish really blew it on his punishment. There is NO penalty to the players. With the obvious lack of integrity in the Astros organization I expect them to be finding ‘better’ ways of cheating. They don’t care if it’s against the rules, they just want to do it without being caught next time.
Rudy Zolteck
We see a Yankee fan in his habitat lol
Rallyshirt
Predicting 40+ loses before the trade deadline, a few high profile divorces and some national headlines for kids being bullied at school.
Many contracted ASTRO players will wish to leave the organization and ASTRO money will help make some surprising and interesting trades.
RLD
It doesn’t really matter if they leave Houston. The players will always be considered, CHEATERS. Cole is in New York and he was part of that CHEATING Houston team. He wasn’t a hitter, but does that mean he knew nothing about it?
skyyalpha
40 losses at the deadline still works out to ~90 wins over the whole season.
its_happening
At 41 losses at the deadline the Astros could have over 60 wins. Thus, still strong.
Psychguy
I hope karma limits them to 60 wins.
prov356
The AL West is more competitive than it’s been in years. For 2020, the Astros are a worse team while the A’s and Rangers are better and the Angels are significantly better. I look forward to watching how it unfolds.
Ryan H
I’ll just leave this link here for all the Yankee fans on their high horse.
barstoolsports.com/blog/1790299/chris-young-i-star…
Sealbeach Comber
A 2020 meltdown of the Houston Tanker/Cheaters would be just fine with me. Seeing head cheat-leader Altuve eat his words about a WS would be very gratifying.
Bart Harley Jarvis
80 wins, 90 wins, 100 wins – who cares? They’re still a bunch of dongs.
RLD
The Houston Astros are BIG CHEATERS. They won’t make the playoffs. Don’t say they didn’t need to cheat to win the World Series. The fact is, they did cheat.and no-one will ever know if that is the exact reason they won. Evidently Houston didn’t think they were good enough to win the WS without cheating.
Rudy Zolteck
Not really, still put up an incredible wRC+ on the road that year. You could reasonably conclude they didn’t need to.
RLD
Altuve is a liar, period. I hope no-one believes that cramp about him being shy, the reason he didn’t want his shirt ripped off. Who is thinking about that after hitting a huge Hr? When he comes to the plate, he was thinking, If I hit a big Hr, I hope no-one rips my shirt off, I’m awfully shy. Should I try and hit an Hr. or not?
skyyalpha
I hope it’s less than 85. I hope they go like 20-142. But realistically, this is still probably about a 95-67 team. Their division has gotten better, but most of the pieces are still there. They’ll win the division again. Bloody cheaters.
Yes, I’m salty.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Don’t blame you for being salty. If anything, I give you credit for being willing to admit they’re still a good team, even without cheating. Btw, I’m not an Astros fan, I’m a White Sox fan; I just like when people don’t devolve into trolls.
Just a fan
This team is going to be brutalized in opposing parks all year long. I’m being generous by giving them 87 wins this year
Pops
Will be interesting to see how Altuve survives all the inside pitches and violent double play slides by opposing baserunners. And how he will psychologically deal with all the boos.
Rudy Zolteck
Waltzed into Yankees stadium pretty easily this past year, man, you act like players are preteen girls.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Even without Cole and the trash can, I still think this is the most talented team in the AL West. The Rangers improved quite a bit, but were way worse last year than the Astros. The Angels didn’t address their pitching issues. The A’s didn’t do much and lost a couple guys, but they’re the only ones I think the Astros should watch out for. I still think they win about 95. Whether the A’s can top that depends on their rotation.
prov356
hyrax – the Angels did address their pitching issues. Just not how everyone wanted them to by signing Cole. Cole’s contract is an anchor that will haunt the Yankees for the next decade.
kodion
LOL All those HBP baserunners …They might complete the rarest-of-rare: The win-without-a-hit!!!
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This Astros team? Pre season will be harder on them than anything.
Two, three weeks max. of (winning) regular season play will lock in the us-against-the-world mentality. They will play a lot of high-energy games, home AND away! I wouldn’t be surprised if it helps them thru the “dog days”
I’m not betting against their talent.
But serious losing, considering all the scrutiny they’ll be under, is the ONLY way they will suffer now. Allowing them to play is no punishment, no matter what other penalties might apply.
bkemp27
I think the Astros are a good team still, but I don’t think their presence in other stadiums won’t go over well and would just put the team’s deminer down and remind them of the whole scandal but if they can put that past themselves, I can see this team winning and most likely reaching the postseason in some fashion.
budgreen420
I hope this low class garbage organization and it’s cheating, turd stained players win like 4 games this year. Pure gutter scum.
Rudy Zolteck
Well at least you gave them 4. What a good and civil crowd we got here on MLBTR, hahahaha
Indianfan
I hear they’re pretty good at stealing and relaying signs.
GreenBay astros
I find it funny how fans of other teams pretend like their team ISN’T.there is evidence of other teams doing similar things, and accusations of numerous other teams being linked as well. The problem with this whole thing is that the commissioner came down so harshly on the Astros (as he should have) but he did it too early. There is no possible way he can punish other teams the same way as the Astros. My assumption is that the red Sox will get a slap on the wrist, and other teams like the dodgers, brewers and rangers will be told to “knock it off.” If the commissioner decided to punish every team the same way it would be damaging to the game for decades. Should have waited to finish all investigations before doling out a harsh punishment to only one team. As I said before, I’m fine with the Astros punishment so long as all the other teams doing the same or similar actions are equally punished.