The Indians’ offseason has largely been dominated by the specter of cutting payroll (such as the Corey Kluber trade to the Rangers or the persistent trade rumors around Francisco Lindor) rather than major acquisitions, the team’s signing of Cesar Hernandez notwithstanding. However, it seems as though the Tribe at least considered a significant addition, as Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that “the Indians were in on” Starling Marte before the Pirates dealt the center fielder to the Diamondbacks earlier this week.
The nature of the Tribe’s offer to Pittsburgh isn’t known, though we can at least make a speculative comparison to what the Pirates received from the D’Backs — $250K in international bonus pool money, and two interesting but non-elite prospects (shortstop Liover Peguero and right-hander Brennan Malone) who are each at least two or three years away from reaching the majors. Since the Bucs sent just $1.5MM in cash to Arizona as part of the deal, the D’Backs also took on almost all of the financial obligations for Marte, who is owed $11.5MM in 2020 and is controllable via a $12.5MM club option ($1MM buyout) for the 2021 season.
It could be that the Pirates simply preferred Peguero and Malone to whatever prospects were floated by the Tribe, and that money wasn’t a primary difference between Cleveland’s offer and Arizona’s offer. Still, assuming the finances would’ve broken down in a similar fashion, adding $10MM for Marte’s salary would’ve elevated the Indians’ 2020 payroll to a little beyond $106.5MM, as per Roster Resource. That still represents a notable step down from the $150MM+ payrolls the Indians had at the end of the 2017 and 2018 seasons, or even the $129.3MM year-end payroll from 2019. Since Marte’s 2021 option is likely to be exercised, Cleveland could have still found payroll room considering that Carlos Santana and Brad Hand could both come off the books via club options of their own, Hernandez is a free agent, plus who knows what other payroll space could be carved out by future trades (such as a Lindor deal).
As Hoynes notes, the Tribe’s interest in Marte indicates that the team could still be willing to spend to upgrade its 26-man roster, whether such a move happens in the offseason or perhaps closer to the trade deadline. Marte would have been a clear boost to Cleveland’s shaky outfield picture right now, though the Indians have enough outfielders in the mix that they might prefer to see which (if any) of those players steps up to become a reliable regular performer before looking at bringing any new players onto the roster. Oscar Mercado currently looks like the only Tribe outfielder slated for true everyday duty, as Jake Bauers, Delino DeShields, Greg Allen, Jordan Luplow, Bradley Zimmer and (when he isn’t at DH) Franmil Reyes are all vying for regular playing time.
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Francys01
Yasiel Puig is still a free agent so Cleveland invest something to improve the team.
petersdylan36
No they didn’t. They say they did, but they didn’t
Burgeezy
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BobSacamano
Have you ever tried Hebrew National, Sabrett, or Nathan’s Hot Dogs? Johnsonville is okay, but come on!
themaven
The $1.50 hot dog and soda at Costco is tough to beat.
jleve618
A lot of things at costco are suprisingly tough to beat. Lately I’ve been digging their chicken pot pie, and I am not even a big pot pie fan.
themaven
Their pesto sauce is pretty righteous as well.
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
The $1.50 hot dog and soda is why you have thousands of Andy Reid looking clones running around the States!
spinach
What’s with all the un-linked names in the article?
Jbarger
Trade Lindor while you can still get something for him…..To the Cubs preferrably…
matteste187
Dom Smith jd davis Amed Rosario and David Peterson could probably get u Lindor if I’m the mets
Badacidtrip69
nope & nope
Michael Chaney
JD Davis can hit but can’t play defense and the rest of that is very unappealing. They’re not terrible players overall, but for Lindor it would take a lot more.
dynamite drop in monty
Love these delusional proposals. “My team should trade a gift basket of garbage for your teams superstar!”
VonPurpleHayes
That’s pretty much WFAN callers all day.
themaven
Ummm no.
PiratesFan1981
Indians weren’t going to get Marte. This article is just something to stir the Indians fans. There is nothing in Cleveland that Pirates would want. It wouldn’t be hard to pass on what D-Backs gave up, but Indians have not a single prospect Pirates would consider having.
cygnus2112
Look….. There’s something stirring up on the grassy knoll, lol!
mathblaster
Indians farm system is pretty solid, especially in the “high upside youngster” department which is what the Pirates got in return
themaven
If anything the Indians have far better prospects in the lower minors than the two the Pirates received.
usafaaron
“Have not a single prospect Pirates would consider having” LOLOLOLOL You just got a bag of potato chips from AZ in return for Marte
solaris602
I don’t think the lack of prospect capital in Cleveland’s end had anything to do with the failure of this deal. Dolan likely refused to take on Marte’s salary and option. Granted he’s a total bargain at that price, but the Tribe isn’t gonna be bringing on even a Mike Trout if the AAV exceeds $10M. That’s the reality of CLE right now.
RedFeather
Neat.
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wjf010
Love these articles about teams that HAD interest in someone who signed elsewhere or was traded elsewhere.
BTW – the Indians are in teardown mode now, so any interest was post-trade…maybe to placate the thinning fanbase.
Jeff 1Bworthy
Not a real teardown. Every move indicates they want their cake and eat it too. Contend and rebuild on the fly at the same time. Right or wrong, they will be stubborn about it.
CKinSTL
Clearly in tear down mode. They have traded all of their stars except for Lindor, Ramirez Perez, Bieber, Carrasco, Hand, Clevinger and Santana.
the kutch
The Tribe isn’t in “tear down mode”…They are in Baseball Purgatory, caught between cheapskate ownership and enough talent still on their roster to slip into the postseason, where everything and anything is possible…Any team in the bigs could find a home for all 8 players you mention here and that’s a good floor with a high ceiling….
The Tribe FO deserves credit for their creativity, as evidenced last season at the trade deadline, adding 2 bats, in Puig and Reyes to fill their biggest deficiency…
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a lot of latitude, even in the Kluber deal…It doesn’t look like they got much back, but,they must know something we don’t because they keep the boat afloat despite ownership’s efforts to sink it…
Jeff 1Bworthy
A real tear down would be to trade all of the players from above for high ceiling prospects.
Some team directions aren’t black and white as all-in or complete rebuild from scratch. Near the end of “the window”, a team can risk it to go all-in for one last season with expensive FA/trade for veteran band-aids. The alternative is to risk it with the unknown young farm graduates. Indians chose the latter, instead of kluber, puig, Bauer etc. They are going with plesac, Civale, Mercado, Daniel Johnson etc. The unknown farm graduate route is less certain, comes with greater risk, but offer greater long term benefit. If you want to contend and rebuild simultaneously, you definitely need to graduate one solid SP, one everyday position player and one bullpen arm per year. If that comes at the expense of an veteran or two at the end of his contract, must always roll the dice with the uncertain rookies and trade away the vets.
nebelski
“All” of their stars except 8 guys. “All” must mean 2 guys–Kluber and Bauer? Bauer HAAAAAAD to go.
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Indiansjoe
It’s ok, make up for it with Mookie:)
Indiansjoe
It’s ok, make up for it with Mookie:)
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Kevin28786
What’s the point of this “story”, anyway? Slow day, I guess.
its_happening
It would fit the criteria of a trade rumor. Hence the website.
phillyballers
Every team did
yes
If it is true, it means Puig is asking for an outrageous amount and multiple years they don’t want to invest.
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Cherington has succeeded in alienating many of the 12 fans that the Pirates have left.
Why would you trade your best player for two potentials three years down the road?
He could easily have kept Marte for the deadline or next year and easily got this return.
I think that he is off to a terrible first step as it seems like it is a salary dump.
frustratedpittsburghpiratesfan
Pirates will continue to dump salary with no MLB spending guidelines in place.
This will continue until the present Pirates owner is “dumped” and called out on what he has been doing for over 20 years.
Based on MLB revenue sharing and low payroll, My estimate is that Nutting is pocketing over 100 million per year. The Pirates are basically a feeder team to other MLB teams. Keep it up MLB! Your doing such a great job to create parity. A big joke!
Les Chesterfield
Very little interest apparently as that was the asking price.
Also shows Indians are not trying to contend. For 6 million you could trade marte for more in prospect wealth than what it cost to acquire him in the first place
Regi Green
Well,since they missed out on him,they might as well trade Clevinger for Odubel Herrera
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The trade proposals suggested by well-meaning fans are often preposterous and only rarely make any sense at all.
Indianfan
I’m sure they had interest in a lot of guys. Are we going to see a story on all of them? A ridiculous story. They’ll dip into the trash bin in a week or two and do their annual try to ease the fans; pain signing.
Moneyballer
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Begamin
he costs more than $1 so the Indians removed themselves from the bidding
Melchez
Must not have been much interest… D’Backs got him cheap.
Moneyballer
Would have been a nice addition for the Indians. Surprised they couldn’t offer more than what the Pirates got for Marte. Diamondbacks got one of the best deals of the offseason here.
Joegio
You Cleveland fans are as much as yinzers as bandwagon pirate fans
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Joe-he is correct.One does not have to be a Yinzer to know that.Why even trade him in the first place?Prospects like this only have a relatively small chance to succeed,and Marte is the Pirataes’ best player at an affordable price.
The only reason is to get cheaper and tank.
Rexalint
Make no mistake they are not going to tank. To truly tank you are trying to get the best possible player available. And that simply doesn’t fit the plan.
The plan is to get whomever is the cheapest near the top of the draft. They are not going to try to draft a guy who’s capable of a lot of Home runs or a pitcher who’s capable of a ton of strike outs and can win 20 games or more.
Those types of players cost a lot more whenever they reach arbitration years. And Nutting is trying to make as much profit as possible. While crying about being poor.
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Rex-That is a fatalist outlook.Nutting wants to win almost as much as s anyone else and is willing to pay when he has a good team.Like many owners he does not want to spend $20-40 M more just to win more games but not to compete.The problem is that he seems to not be willing to extend a winning era,but this is not unlike other better run ball clubs.
This is not the days of drafting Brian Bullinger #1 in the entire draft just to save money.
The hope is that Cherington can provide better scouting,drafting,and training personnel so that they copy the Astros and Dodgers systems in providing quality minor leaguers.The Pirates have not been awful at that but they need to be much better as a small market team.
Rexalint
They was winning games from 2013-2015 and he refused to add much to the payroll at the deadline. They needed major help with bats and pitching and all they did was add minor players who didn’t affect the payroll that much. And as a result they only won one wild card game as a result.
Then they began to sell off players and have nothing to show for it. They vastly over valued prospects and refused to trade them until to late and had to settle for some signed baseballs and magic beans.
The biggest travesty of all was trading Glassnow and Meadows for Chris Archer. They really don’t have much in the way of talent now to trade to maybe one day improve. They already traded Marte for two high risk guys.
And are only left with Bell,Musgrove, Kela and possibly Archer if he can start pitching well again. And you’re not going to be able to rebuild a franchise with a handful of prospects and draft picks.
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I agree with some of what you say but not all.
Their future is in developing fine scouting,drafting,and training personnel to provide a line of good minor league players.
The Pirates added players like Moreau,Blanton,Soria,Happ,and Byrd at or near the trade deadlines so that theory is completely busted.The reason that they lost the wild card games was that they faced the best pitchers in baseball at the time in those games in Arrieta and Bumgarner.
Archer was clearly overvalued but Meadows and Glasgow are still works in progress.NH “went for it”for once and he lost because Archer has been nowhere near a #2 pitcher.
They would have had a decent team this year if they did not trade Marte but would not have competed for the wild card.
Rexalint
I said that they added some players at the deadline. But they was no where near what they needed because the owner didn’t want to much to the payroll. They was rumored to be in on some good players but they vastly overvalued their prospects.
They could have traded Polanco,Taillon, Glasnow before it was too late. And they could have won a world series. Taillon and Polanco can’t stay healthy. And Polanco can’t hit. His best season he hit .258 and he’s had 20 plus homeruns just twice.
Taillon has started 25 games or more just twice and he’s out all this year. They could have had a good return for him and he could have been someone else’s problem.
They wasted both Cole and McCutchen’s best years in Pittsburgh. And like I said they have absolutely nothing to show for it.
As for Meadows and Glasnow being works in progress. Meadows and his 33 home runs and .291 average would have looked good in the outfield last year. And they completely blew it with Glasnow. He was a mess here and he’s getting better in Tampa
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Not sure that NH and Nutting had a crystal ball.You are saying that they should have traded Taillon and Polanco before they got hurt.Hindsight is always 20 20.
You are still wrong on the additions at the trade deadline during the period between 2013 and 2015.
If they vastly over rated their prospects why did they trade Meadows and Glasgow who you think are all stars based on one year.Glasnow was as you say a mess here and pitched much better for TB and it seems that he finally may have put it together if he can stay healthy.
They have four ML players to show for for Cole and two ML players for McCutcheon and some of them are good.
With all due respect it seems like you just want to rant about Nutting and the Pirates but if ranting is OK I would suggest to make sure that you have good reasons to do so and that you state them clearly.
nebelski
I know there is a new group managing the club, but based on past trades and, more especially, “near-trades,” I would guess the Bucs were pushing for Plesac, Civale or Plutko in addition to at least one good prospect.
nebelski
Cleveland has been a perfect fit for Marte for quite a while now. This is the first time when it probably wasn’t quite as “perfect.” Tribe’s pitching is still strong, but has thinned. They also have more decent outfielder options than they have the past few seasons.
thebluemeanie
I never understand these type of “team x had interest in player x” articles. Nothing but pointless speculation.