There have been some rumblings of possible extension talks between the White Sox and young star Yoan Moncada. He didn’t validate the reports but did say he’d be interested in a long-term stay.
This all tracks on paper. The White Sox have long been one of the game’s most aggressive teams when it comes to early-career extensions. Long before recently-inked deals with Eloy Jimenez, Luis Robert, and Aaron Bummer, the team reached agreements with Chris Sale and Adam Eaton that paid huge dividends.
And Moncada? He’s still just 24 years of age and is one season shy of arbitration. The switch-hitting infielder just turned in a monster 2019 campaign, launching 25 long balls and slashing .315/.367/.548 over 559 plate appearances. He relied upon a .406 BABIP to get there, but that reflected Moncada’s tantalizing combination of pop (97th percentile exit velocity) and wheels (72nd percentile sprint speed).
It’d probably be wise to anticipate some regression, but there’s little denying the validity of the breakout. Moncada just plain stings the baseball and has now proven he can deliver that consistently against big-league pitching. He will probably always swing and miss more than you’d prefer, but he drove down his strikeout rate from about one-third to a much-more-palatable 27.5%. Moncada doesn’t attempt a ton of steals but still clearly grades as a positive on the bases. Metrics have not been consistent on his glovework as he has moved between second and third base, but it seems clear that the tools are there for an average or above-average fielder.
Moncada has always had a thrilling skillset. Now he has shown he knows how to use it against the best pitchers in the game. He’s not yet a top-shelf superstar, but he’s a bona fide franchise building block who could easily become one of the faces of the game.
So … what’s his future worth?
This is a question often faced by teams contemplating how best to capitalize on the presence of high-grade young talent. Worst case, the White Sox will enjoy the rights to control Moncada for four more seasons — beginning with a league-minimum+ 2020 salary with his salary increasing thereafter through the arbitration process. If he sinks, the obligations will go down or even go away if the team decides to cut ties. If he rises, the Sox will pay more but will still enjoy a discount. Should Moncada continue to star but end up missing time due to injury, the club will have to weather his absence but could still recoup some value through reduced future costs.
That’s just how the (collectively bargained) arbitration system works. Players bear quite a lot of risk and their earning upside is tempered, which in many cases provides leverage to teams. Want to capitalize on your talent and early-career production to ensure you’ll earn tens of millions of dollars? Better sign an extension.
This is where things get interesting in the case of Moncada. Only a few players near arbitration eligibility while already sitting on a huge pile of cash. Even the very top draft picks don’t earn eight-figure bonuses. And with international spending caps now in place, young players from abroad no longer command the kinds of huge bonuses that … well, the kind that Moncada himself received back in 2015 when he inked a $31MM deal with the Red Sox (and that actually cost the team twice that amount due to penalties).
Aha. Moncada has already earned quite a lot of money. And he’s now only a season from turning that spigot back on through arbitration. There’s still risk for him. Arbitration places a heavy reliance upon a player’s platform season, so it’s still possible Moncada won’t earn all that much in 2021. And who knows just how things could play out from there. But unlike virtually all of the other players that find themselves in his position at this stage of their careers — even the few that have something like his resume — Moncada already has made one great haul of cash. That removes a major bit of leverage for the White Sox.
This matters more than you might think at first glance. How else do you explain the fact that (as I explained in writing about it at the time) Aaron Nola gave up so much career earnings upside to lock in a $45MM guarantee? (He even had leverage as a former seventh overall pick who had already reached arbitration.) Those that lack substantial bargaining power can go for shockingly cheap prices, as the Braves proved last year when they squeezed excellent young infielder Ozzie Albies. (Yep, I’m kicking a hornet’s nest, but we don’t need to re-litigate this one here.)
Odds are, Moncada won’t be taken to the cleaners. But where might his price tag land?
The White Sox have already charted somewhat new ground with their exceedingly early, reasonably robust promises to Jimenez ($43MM guarantee) and Robert ($50MM). So, they aren’t afraid of being somewhat bold. Moncada obviously has much better bargaining power than did his teammates, making those payouts an easy floor. As for a ceiling … well, it’d be tough to argue that Moncada ought to top Mike Trout’s $144MM deal. That original Trout extension still stands as the highest-ever contract for a non-Super Two player with two or more years of MLB service.
In between those marks, you have nearly $100MM of conceivable negotiating space. Clearly, they’re of limited value as comps, though it’s still useful to start with those kinds of limits. Finding a place in between can be challenging. Other 2+ service-class players have approached that nine figure mark. Carlos Gonzalez was promised $80MM by the Rockies; Hanley Ramirez took a $70MM guarantee from the Marlins. Those are stale comparables, though. In this case, though, there is at least one clear recent market marker that would surely loom large.
This time last year, the Astros locked in Alex Bregman with a $100MM guarantee. The deal paid him for all of his arbitration eligibility and added two seasons of control over would-be free agent campaigns. The Houston organization wasn’t able to add any additional control via options, which is reflective of Bregman’s excellence.
Moncada’s track record falls shy of Bregman’s at the time of the latter’s signing, so you might think the former would be valued at a somewhat lower rate. But we’ve also just seen a big crop of free agent contracts revive player expectations. (Bregman’s deal came on the heels a weak open market.) And Moncada’s aforementioned bonus earnings could help him hold out for that kind of money (if not even more).
All things considered, the Bregman contract seems like a solid target for Moncada’s reps. Whether or Should the White Sox wish to gain the rights to one or more options, they’ll likely have to promise more for the guaranteed seasons.
house71
6yr/90 million
ChiSoxCity
It will have to be nine figures. Something like 6/$120MM.
lowtalker1
6/130
AstrosWS20
That’s way too much. That’s north of the Bregman deal and Moncada isn’t nearly the player of Bregman yet.
John Kappel
You could do a deal that’s $100 guaranteed and gets like Bregmam, 2 years of free agency. Then there could be 2-3 club options that bring the total value of the deal to between $130-140.
Priggs89
“That’s north of the Bregman deal and Moncada isn’t nearly the player of Bregman yet.”
Well… I think there should be an asterisk next to that statement…
Paramatic
Unless that trash can added 3.5 wins above replacement to Bregman’s value and somehow made him an elite defender then yes, Moncada isn’t the player Bregman is yet.
InPolesWeTrust
If Moncada has someone telling him what was coming, he’d have better numbers than Bregman The Cheater.
Priggs89
Well, he did magically drop his K% by about 9 points and upped his BB% by 2 points after the 2016 season.
pappyvw
You’re right – unlike Bregman, Moncada has not had the luxury of knowing what pitch is coming. Astros are garbage.
wordonthestreet
6/120 is way to much
scurvyrickets
ChiSoxCreep…I mean fan-We’re missing ya over at the winners article! Gotta be pretty darn exciting to get another article about the Sox…that’s like 3 this month!!!
PiratesFan1981
I am thinking 120 million, 7 years with option out after 5 years.
MikeS2
There is no reason for the White Sox to give him a deal with an opt out. Right now he gets an opt out in 2024.
Opt outs are about exchanging security for potential. Pre-arb/Pre-FA deals are about exchanging potential for security.
oldmansteve
About tree fiddy
Oxford Karma
She give him a dollar!!!
InPolesWeTrust
Tree fiddy a week?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
7 years/$140M largely even spread with a large signing bonus portion seems like it’s realistic. It reflects the stronger market than Bregman, keeps the AAV down and takes what was a below market deal for Bregman and adjusts it to the modern market. Also figure those same Ramirez/Gonzalez deals were unusual in nature at the time and had very little comparable sand adjusted for inflation would probably each be about an even $100M nowadays.
Jeff Zanghi
It won’t be that much because you have to figure in what he realistically would make in arbitration. He’s not a FA — if he were a FA that figure would make sense — but he isn’t. He’s currently only making the league minimum (actually he may be making more because of how he signed with the Red Sox before the new amateur signing rules went into effect) but for arb purposes he’d start at $555K for this season then say $5M for next, $10M after that (assuming he continues to play like he has) and $20M in year 4 (rough estimates) so once you look at it that way that’s 4 years for $35M — so if you’re talking 7 total years it would be more along the lines of 7/$115M as the MAXIMUM (that assumes $20M/year for FA years not covered by arb) given all of that I’d say something more like 6/$75M or 7/$100 would be at the high end of what Moncada could be expected to sign for. Anything more than that and it just wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever for the White Sox to try to lock him up vs going through arbitration. Given the risk/reward dynamic — I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual deal fell more in the 7/$75M range than the 7/$100M range. It’s just how arbitration $ works — it’s not the same as just signing a FA to their full market value.
T. Navickas
I think you are pretty spot on. Everybody seems to have forgotten that Lu Bob also got a similar type of International bonus. He had the same leverage but minus 2 total years/one solid year of MLB experience. So if Bregman is the ceiling and Lu Bob is the floor I think he’ll land somewhere in the middle so 7 years/75-85 mil.
Jeff Todd
Robert has zero MLB service time (and no MLB track record). It’d be an insult to bring an offer in that range to Moncada. So I don’t really see it as a comparable in the way the Bregman money is.
Projected arbitration earnings definitely are relevant, but that’s precisely the math that was done on Bregman. It is all highly dependent upon precisely what the player does in his platform year, and … we just don’t know. That’s the whole game for player and team. Resolving that uncertainty in a mutually agreeable manner.
The Astros (rightly) predicted Bregman would again go wild. They took advantage of a weak market situation and hit what looks to be a home run with that contract.
It’ll be harder for the White Sox to pull off that sort of coup here. They aren’t going to get very far with the logic suggested here — “we’ll put you in-between Bregman and your future teammate that hasn’t even appeared in the majors yet” — in actually negotiating with Moncada. Moncada could still make a ton through arb. And his future free agency looks more lucrative after a big offseason (and with players like Bregman and Acuna already having exited the future market).
Those sorts of factors make me think it’d be closer to Bregman money than you might think just based upon those players’ respective performances. I guess it’s possible the Sox would draw the line in that $75MM range and that Moncada would accept — everyone has different motivations — but I suspect it’d be a nine-figure deal or close to it.
themaven
Very true.
You also have to factor in that Moncada received a 31 million dollar signing bonus when he signed with the Red Sox coming out of Cuba so he would be far less likely to sign an under market deal and be eager to test free agency to maximize his value.
In comparison Bregman signed for 5.9 million as a top pick.
ChiSox_Fan
Is this Aaron posing as “Jeff”?
Long winded reply.
6 years/$120 mil option after 6
ChiSox_Fan
Need to sign Moncada long term before he wins MVP this year.
Price will only go up!
Idioms for Idiots
@ChiSox_Fan
Don’t be that guy. If you can’t handle more than a 3 line reply, don’t read it. Simple as that.
scurvyrickets
@83-ChiSox has a tough time concentrating, because he is constantly thinking about the Cubs. He’s kinda obsessed.
MikeS2
If he keeps putting up 5 win seasons (IF!), then those arb numbers are low.
Mrtwotone
Give him the same contract as acuna and lock him up for the future!!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yes. You know what the hedgehog and the wombat say. Acuna Moncada.
KnoxReds13
White Sux
thurmanmerman33
Lol, I get it, you replaced Sox with “sux” but you didn’t spell it “sucks” because that wouldn’t of made sense. It was a clever play on words of sorts. Lol, so good.
gbs42
It’s “wouldn’t have,” not “wouldn’t of.”
If you’re going after someone’s wording, your own should be correct.
thurmanmerman33
Not going after anyone’s righting bra, just appreciating good comedying! What gbs42 stand for anyway, grammar butt sircus? Hahaha!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Comedy Gold. So good, so good!
richard dangler
Why would the Sox do this? He’s under contract for 4 more years.
Mrtwotone
Because it will be a lot cheaper to get him to sign now then after another all star caliber season
ChiSoxCity
Because it’s idiotic to wait until free agency to re-sign core talent. You save millions if they’re really good. Imagine locking up a young player who gets MVP votes to a longterm deal making between $15MM and $25MM. That’s a steal in the current market.
ChiSoxCity
Additionally, it works out for young players because they make what they’re worth, and can receive a bigger contract before they reach 32.
gbs42
“They make what they’re worth?”
Players often give up a ton of value for the security of a long-term deal. See Albies, as referenced in the article.
ChiSoxCity
Players make next to nothing pre-arb. Even during arbitration, top players never really earn their value, that is my point.
scurvyrickets
Where’s the Sox gonna come up with that big boy money? That may mean you won’t have your fireworks anymore :(. Gonna have to get that attendance over 100 a game to afford that extension.
socalsoxfan78
Do you realize that the White Sox have been one of the top 6 most profitable teams over the past couple of years? They have the money to spend, unlike the Cubs.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Because…Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Eloy, LouBob…its what the sox do!!!!
seanmc1983
Why would Moncada do it, is the better question. He’s slated to hit FA entering his age 29 season, and expected to become a legitimate superstar. Why would he accept below market value for those seasons? Chicago should have to pay handsomely for the privilege of preventing Moncada from reaching FA, and buying out his most financially lucrative seasons. Something like 4/150 for those age 29-32 seasons,
Plus another 50 on the front end to buy out his arb seasons.
ChiSoxCity
Another consistent year might give him more bargaining power, but the clock is ticking. It’s a risk for both club and player. A bad year or injury could adversely effect his value given his struggles in 2018.
bitteroldman
There;s always a risk involved in waiting for a payoff so why wouldn’t you sign for less money now knowing that circumstances beyond your control could end your career tomorrow?
Rallyshirt
Ramped contracts with late team options seem the proper way to handle a team with such a glut of young players. Any extension to Moncada should also be a ramp, two years ahead of the rest of the core payment progressions for staging and when Abreu and Grandal are off the books. Right now, I could see a 5yr-$70M guaranteed with bonus incentives, maybe $24MM team option year 6.
MikeS2
Because having him under contract for 6 years would be more than 4?
Because cost certainty has value?
baseballhobo
A whole lot.
ChiSox cubPunkers
I don’t care, resign at $100M+. He is worth it!
sufferforsnakes
Some very bizarre proposals on this thread. He has to prove more before he gets that level of money.
ChiSoxCity
Yeah, no. Talent evaluation is king. Teams who wait too long usually price themselves out and lose the player. Got to get them while they’re young.
Priggs89
Does he? It only gets more expensive the more he proves and the closer to free agency he gets…
If the Indians could go back in time and lock up Lindor after his 99 game rookie year and buy out a free agent year or two, don’t you think they would happily do it? It’s a calculated risk that they can afford to take.
themaven
The player has to want to sign the deal.
Lindor came into the league with 3 million dollar signing bonus and signed a 10 million dollar plus shoe deal after the 2016 season.He’s rejected all overtures of multi year deals from the team,signaling his intent to test free agency.
Moncada received 31 million from the BoSox signing out of Cuba,making him far more likely to do the same.
Priggs89
Same exact thing was said about Robert…
Idioms for Idiots
@Priggs89
Cleveland’s been late to the party on quite a few occasions recently. Should’ve traded Kluber last Winter, should’ve traded Clevinger this Winter (though not sure if he would’ve passed the physical), should’ve traded Lindor this Winter.
So not surprised they didn’t extend a stud early in his career to save money (and avoid the position they’re currently in).
MikeS2
You mean like Francisco Lindor?
rycm131
3 years 12 million (4 per year)?
rycm131
3yrs 12 mil
Dumpster Divin Theo
One Million dollars. Mwah hah hah hah
jdgoat
Get it done!
seth3120
In the works of KGB… “Pay him pay that his money” team friendly or not I’d want security in my first deal. Teams typically benefit the most overall but can you imagine all this promise and not making enough to take care of you and family for life. Just keep the extension around 29-30 and you can take the risk and try to earn that big pay day
Dumpster Divin Theo
Nice analysis J Todd. Note: his Ks were much less swing and miss than taking strike 3 looking due to an overabundance of caution. This plate discipline could reap dividends as he becomes more aggressive (as in 19) and in the future as he gains the benefit of more borderline calls as he accumulates some vet street cred from the umps
Priggs89
Street cred or robo umps. Either one works in his favor.
maximumvelocity
6/120
54scooterb
8/169 for an even 200 million before reaching free agency.
The Human Rain Delay
How do people even get mad at this notion? Two sides sit down and hammer out a deal or they dont….. its really not even up for debate amongest anyone but the player and the team ownership paying the bill-
Players should do whatever the hell they wanna do in this situation….. some folks are conservative some like to gamble its really not our place to scrutinize this
sss847
125/8 yrs?
8
As much as Peralta got
seanmc1983
They’d be buying out his most valuable FA years, which his reps and MLBPA would be acutely aware of. I’d say something like 8/200 would get it done, figuring in 35-40MM AAV for those ages 29-33 seasons.
BeeVeeTee
Moncada is only going to get better with that line up around him. Moncada can easily be a 30 home runs, 120 RBIs and batting average around .300 for the next five to seven years. A seven year $120 million dollar deal would be perfect for him with the final two years being club options. It would be smart to pay Moncada now then wait it out.
ChiSoxCity
Get her done Rick!
ChiSox_Fan
I am only afraid that some players may develop bad habits and performance may go down once they have the money!
wordonthestreet
Typical White Sox fan living in fear
scurvyrickets
ChiSox It’s hilarious that you are literally responding to your own comments now lolololol.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Considering that Moncada received a $31.5M signing bonus in 2015, if I was his agent, I would recommend he take it year-to-year and hit FA at age 27. A four-year extension at $72M with two mutual option years ($23M per) may convince him to sign.
bitteroldman
Cant be a UFA until 2024, when he’s 29 years old.
YankeesBleacherCreature
28.
Idioms for Idiots
Technically you’re both right, since his birthday is in May.
jdwakefield
6 years / $150M. Git ‘er done.
vanswanson
one good year and extend him? pump the brakes a bit
BeeVeeTee
Moncada showed the MLB he is a good hitter with learning how to take pitches with working counts to swinging at the right pitches. There is a reason why Moncada was a high rated prospect. It took him a full year in the MLB to learn MLB pitchers which was different from facing AA and AAA pitchers where he dominated them.
Idioms for Idiots
@vanswanson
It’s not like he’s been in MLB for 5 years and has finally had one good year. He was the #1 overall prospect in MLB for a reason, and he showed last year why. Why not extend him before he commands a ridiculous contract?
Idioms for Idiots
6 yr/$90MM with 7th & 8th yr options at $25MM each (with $5MM buyouts each yr).
Idioms for Idiots
I wish this news wouldn’t have made it out there for all to see, but since it has, hopefully a deal gets done this week. I don’t want this either dragging on all Spring or that both sides can’t come to an agreement. My guess is Hahn will figure something out to get it done, but I’d rather it gets done sooner so it doesn’t become a distraction.
I know it’s not life and death for the extension to get done, but since this news is out there, I think it would be seen as a disappointment by many if one doesn’t get reached this Spring. I’m sure this is why Hahn likes to keep these things quiet until they happen.