The Mets were one of several teams reported to have interest in Francisco Lindor back when the Indians are seemingly testing the market for the All-Star shortstop earlier this winter. Jeff McNeil was known to be one of Cleveland’s prime targets in talks with the Mets about Lindor, and The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (subscription required) recently shed a bit more light on the “significant dialogue” between the Amazins and the Tribe.
“The Mets aggressively tried to acquire [Lindor] at the winter meetings,” Rosenthal writes, noting that it would “likely” have cost New York a three-player package consisting of Amed Rosario and two prospects. Both this proposal and Cleveland’s interest in McNeil were too much for the Mets, however, and beyond the cost in trade chips, Rosenthal has also heard from some corners that “finances played a significant role” in negotiations.
Lindor’s salary for the 2020 season hadn’t yet been finalized by early December, though MLBTR’s Matt Swartz projected the shortstop for a $16.7MM payday in his second of three arbitration-eligible seasons. As it happened, Lindor topped this projected number by agreeing to a $17.5MM deal for 2020, an even healthier raise than expected over the $10.55MM salary he earned in 2019. Assuming Lindor has another outstanding year in the coming season, his arb number for 2021 now looks to fall in range of $23MM-$24MM.
Still, something in the neighborhood of $41MM over a two-year span is more than reasonable for a player of Lindor’s caliber. The Mets were known to be trying to move Jeurys Familia and/or Jed Lowrie in order to create payroll space, and the club hasn’t made any hugely expensive acquisitions this winter, signing Dellin Betances, Rick Porcello, Michael Wacha, and Brad Brach to one-year contracts for a combined $25.6MM in guaranteed money (a total that could rise significantly based on options and incentive clauses in the various deals).
Taking on both a big salary and parting ways with controllable talent like Rosario, McNeil, or prospects was too much for the Mets’ liking, which isn’t an unreasonable stance. McNeil, after all, has been outstanding in his two MLB seasons and Rosario is coming off the best of his three big league campaigns, with the 24-year-old starting to deliver on some of the potential that made him one of baseball’s best prospects. That said, the overall crux of Rosenthal’s piece examines how the Mets are still feeling the impact of last offseason’s blockbuster trade with the Mariners, as the added salaries of Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz (who both struggled badly in 2019) have limited payroll flexibility, while moving top prospects Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn both thinned out New York’s farm system and also made the team seemingly more wary about moving any more of its top minor leaguers.
Had the Mets not swung that deal with Seattle, who knows how the Amazins’ fate could have changed both during the 2019 season or into their business this offseason, as New York could have been more willing to take the jump on a swap for Lindor or another trade target in Starling Marte (though the Pirates also put a high asking price on Marte in talks with the Mets).
To be fair, Rosenthal notes that as great a player as Lindor is, he “was a luxury item, not a must-have” for a Mets club that already had Rosario, plus top prospects Ronny Mauricio and Andres Gimenez coming up the pipeline at shortstop. There’s also the fact that the Indians may not have been “especially motivated to act” on a Lindor trade, as the big returns Cleveland reportedly wanted in any potential deal indicated that the Tribe would only move Lindor if presented with a special offer. The door now appears to be closed on the possibility of Lindor being dealt this winter, as Cleveland addressed their own payroll concerns by trading Corey Kluber to the Rangers.
walls17
Wow I would have definitely pulled the trigger on Rosario + 2 prospects for Lindor
VegasSDfan
Depends on which two prospects. Plus, what about an extension to Lindor
matteste187
I wonder if Rosario Davis and dsmith would have gotten it done.
kahnkobra
no, they wanted Rosario plus 2 prospects
spooky
Rosario and two prospects and you worry about what two prospects for Lindor? If there is any truth to this story than Brodie shat the bed once again just like trading for Cano and signing Lowrie. Just the Mets doing Mets things. Stay mediocre.
rrieders
With the Kelenic trade, The Mets do not have any propsects in their system so highly rated as to prevent them from trading for Lindor.
Rosario and any two Mets prospects for a superstar like Lindor is a no-brainer. The problem is and always will be the Wilpons being unable to raise payroll to accomodate his salary and the subsequent extension.
walls17
The two prospects don’t matter at all. It’s not like their top prospect is Wander Franco. They’re trying to win a championship, they’ve already squandered the farm, if you’re going all in who cares about their 45 FV prospects?
ctyank7
Rosario and prospects or Rosario, Davis (Best position:DH) and a kid would be fine. Rosario and McNeil would have been foolish. That’s trading two regulars for one — with both $till affordable for the money con$cious Met$.
RunDMC
Rosario and McNeil would be foolish only because McNeil is a 5-WAR player in 2019. Rosario, on the other hand (1.8 WAR) — you’d be adding 3-4 wins, minimum. NYM doesn’t have control of Thor much longer and deGrom will never be better — the time to strike is now. You could easily put their rotation up against the WS champs (WSH) — and minus Rendon – if NYM added Lindor with Alonso, McNeil – I’d say they’d have a better offense and bullpen. They could be contenders for 2 seasons with that acquisition.
jmag1976
yeah… no way
SalaryCapMyth
With the Mets farm system, no..it DOESN’T matter which two prospects. If they had a Gore or an Adell, I’d get that a little more but they don’t.
norcalguardiansfan
My guess is that if the Indians were ready to accept Rosario and two prospects for Lindor then Frankie would be a Met. The Indians were asking for Gavin Lux for Frankie. Who do the Mets have who approximates Lux? That player is the one the Tribe wants.
Simodine
Only person who would of done that is the mets.
smytds
…but they didn’t. Maybe you should’ve read the article
PTBNL
I don’t care what other 2 prospects it would’ve been, if you can headline it with Rosario and keep Nimmo, Conforto, McNeil and get back Lindor, you do it. Then flip Smith for some pen help. If the Mets had traded for Lindor, they emerge with the Nats and Braves as legit East contenders.
PTBNL
Honestly, the Mets should be doing whatever it takes to get Lindor and get Brad Hand in the deal too. If Rosario + 2 prospects gets lindor, I’m guessing adding Dom Smith and maybe another lower level guy gets you Hand. Something like:
Rosario, Smith, Mauricio(61 pipeline), Alvarez(62 pipeline) and Kilome
kingjenrry
That doesn’t make much sense at all for a player set to hit free agency soon. At the end of the day, it’s just another example of the fallout from the Cano trade. No team wants to trade with the Mets unless they’re extorting Brodie since he set a precedent.
Michael Chaney
Don Smith and a low level guy doesn’t get you Brad Hand.
smytds
I’d rather keep the prospects and Rosario for his four years of team control than Lindor for two. With Lindor, are the Mets better than the Dodgers? Astros? Yankees?
matteste187
Yes
AllRiseForTheJudge
lol no they are not. Not at all. What Lindor does, though, is put fans in seats and the Mets need all the help they can get right now.
kingjenrry
Patently false. Mets’ attendance figures are just fine.
Mick1956
AllRise – all good points. The Mets need Lindor, not the hope of control over unproven players of the future. If they keep living in the future, they’ll never win in the present. Their fans have been pretty patient with them, but just a couple years ago they had arguably the best rotation in baseball, which only had one legit shot for the WS. But, they are nowhere near the Yankees. Still, why not keep improving?
spooky
You know who won the WS? Washington so just get in the tourney. Did anyone besides Giants fans have them in ’10, ’12 or ’14… No. I can’t stand when people think teams should stand down because other teams are better on paper.
PTBNL
Prospects are cool, parades are cooler. The Mets gave up Kelenic for Cano and Diaz and you wouldn’t give up Gimenez/Mauricio and Alvarez/Baty, Allen for Lindor!?!?
I would do it every single time to get an MVP candidate
kingjenrry
The Kelenic deal will likely go down as Top 3 worst in team history, so you want them to do it again? They can’t if they wanted to since they don’t even have a player close to as good as Kelenic on the farm.
kahnkobra
not for only 2 yrs of Lindor
jim stem
Can we see if Kelenic makes an all star team before we induct him into the Hall?
Prospects are just that. Any time you can trade a prospect for a proven, young all star, you do it. No one could have guessed that Diaz would fall apart like he did and Canó was nothing more than a salary dump, so forget that aspect already.
If you want to blame anyone for the current state of that trade, blame the Mets pitching coaches, manager and maybe even Diaz himself for being so bad.
Hopefully someone straightens out Diaz, whether it’s his head or his mechanics, and see what he can do. He is too young to give up on after one off year.
Cano will most likely be active for less than 81 games and should be in the bench or hitting 7th when he is available. As soon as he fails a drug test the team can hopefully recoup some of his salary.
kingjenrry
Exactly. They need more than Lindor and robbing Peter to pay Paul is not the way to run a team.
kahnkobra
exactly
ctyank7
But they couldn’t afford Lindor beyond 2021, meaning they had forced themselves into a two year window. Plus they still lack a bona fuse CF.
PTBNL
A 2 year window where they have Alonso, McNeil, Lindor, Nimmo, Davis, Conforto, deGrom, Syndergaard. That’s better than a 4 year window with Rosario and prospects
PTBNL
Why do people worry about control? The object is to win now, worry about tomorrow when it comes. Teams that consistently try to “stretch” their window, never open the window all the way. Push your chips in and go win. The Red Sox and Cubs both he young teams when they won and kept them in tact. Both are looking at rebuilding(which is stupid). Point being, when you have an opportunity, seize it, don’t hug your prospects and former prospects because of the control they possess.
Joggin’George
Making moves with no regard for the future is bad strategy unless you’re an obvious powerhouse division leader.
jim stem
Pretty sure the Marlins and their fan base were a lot happier winning the World Series with one year rentals than winning 65 games and out of contention by June 1 every year…
ForestCobraAL
Jeff McNeil is the Mets franchise player and a very good one.
Unless they were trading for Mike Trout he would be untouchable.
AllRiseForTheJudge
Jeff McNeil is a utility guy with no clear position. Francisco Lindor is an elite superstar who hits from both sides of the plate and plays elite defense. Nobody should be untouchable in talks for that kind of player, especially not someone who has no clear position.
jmag1976
only reason he is a utility player is because he is blocked at 2b after that stupid freaking trade, forcing them to get his bat in any where they could. hence why he played everywhere else. on ANY other team, that kid is a starter and a bona fide star.
hell, I’d even say, on his track record so far, this kid is a 3k hits and 300 hitter by the way ND of his career… in other words, HOF
jmag1976
only reason he is a utility player is because he is blocked at 2b after that stupid freaking trade, forcing them to get his bat in any where they could. hence why he played everywhere else. on ANY other team, that kid is a starter and a bona fide star.
hell, I’d even say, on his track record so far, this kid is a 3k hits and 300 hitter by the END of his career… in other words, HOF
Chasingamymatt
You are aware McNiel is 27 already? he would need to play to mid 40s to get 3k hits. no chance. Hes had 2 good seasons but lets not go overboard here.
jmag1976
let’s revisit this in about 11 years then lol
kingjenrry
McNeil is worth more in a trade than Lindor because he has more surplus value. Lindor is a better player by a good margin but McNeil has more control by a much larger margin, and is getting paid less than 1/20th what Lindor is earning.
jim stem
Actually, Alonso is their franchise player of the future. McNeil wasn’t even a prospect 3 years ago but had figured something out. He will be the 2bman as soon as Cano is out of his way. He may even be in CF all spring to see if he can handle that move, if not at 3b. But I fully expect JD Davis to be at 3b all spring which is his natural position.
Remember, those guys were only in the outfield due to injuries and since they kept on hitting, stayed in the lineup.
AllRiseForTheJudge
If the ask was really Rosario + a pair of prospects and the Wilpons (I’m sure BVW had little say in the matter) walked away, their fanbase should riot. That’s nothing for a guy of Lindor’s talent.
Ma4170
Exactly… and I like Rosario a lot… but Lindor is elite top 10 mlb level talent… and I’m not sure where lately people act like having someone for two years is insignificant.. not to mention prob the last two years of degrom’s prime
jakec77
I’m happy with Rosario at SS, and think he will have a good year.
But boy it’s tough to not trade him and a couple of prospects (obviously depends who, but really no one in Mets system is untouchable) for Lindor.
AllRiseForTheJudge
Lindor is a much better hitter and defender. It’s like SD asking for Rosario and two prospects for Tatis Jr. You do that every day and twice on Sunday.
tomyo10
As an Indians fan, I get where you Met fans are coming from. You don’t want to give up your best prospects for anyone. I have watched the Indians collect suspect after suspect for years. When you have a chance to get a Lindor, you do it. You can afford him. You can afford to sign him long term. I’ve watched Frankie from day one. This kid is as special as it gets- on and off the field. I don’t want to lose him, but the Tribe won’t pay him. He would be the face of baseball if he’d end up in NY.
goldenmisfit
As a Yankees fan I agree with you when you have the opportunity to get a guy like this you do it. But, as someone who keeps an eye on what goes on in Queens they would never have made this move for the most obvious of reasons. After two years he’s a free agent and he’s probably going to get Machado money that is a price the Mets would never pay. This is how they operate so they probably figured even if the Indians were willing to budge on McNeil they are pretty much asking themselves our two top prospects and another player to get a guy for two seasons? Wow this is something I could definitely see the Yankees doing definitely not the Mets.
hockeyjohn
I hate articles like this one when they say “would have likely been Rosario and two prospects.” That was Rosenthal’s opinion. I doubt Cleveland would do that if McNeil was their focus. Cleveland tends to set their goal in trade talks and not vary from that goal.
CKinSTL
Agreed. It appears to be speculation and it makes both teams look bad.
Melchez
I wonder if Cano gets in the Hall? His numbers are very close to Baines and Cano has 4 more years left on his contract. He may benefit most if the NL goes to a DH.
dynamite drop in monty
Lol
gavinrendar
With Bonds, Clemens and McGwire are having this tough a time getting in, Cano’s chances are pretty low unless voters change their takes on steroids.
stansfield123
Perfectly understandable that finances were a concern. The Mets are a small market team after all. How many people live in NY, like 70?
whynot 2
It is so easy to be critical when it’s not your money, isn’t it?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yes?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Wow, I thought Jed Lowrie, Jerry’s Family and J.D. Davis would’ve gotten the Mets both Lindor and Bieber. The Mets have the best farm system!
whynot 2
What a silly unicorn!
Ry.the.Stunner
You can’t just trade someone’s family in the MLB. That’s unethical.
parkers
It is depressing to read all the reports concerning the Lindor proposal and the background of the Cohen decision to cut bait.
Realizing the Mets are reported to still be in debt up to 350 million dollars over the Madoff crawl back of funds.
But the Wilpon’s desire to be lone decision makers for the next 5 years while at the same time have Cohen pony up 2.6 billion strikes me as having your cake and eat it too.
Sadly for them decisions have consequences. This is time for them to consider the fan base and do the honorable thing.
I realize that Fred has a deep love for the team based on his Brooklyn Dodger associations. He is also thinking about his sons future, since his entire life has been working for his dad’s businesses, most of all the Mets.
I empathize for him but also realize the realization that the teams success, both financially as well as on the field, depends on being able to make baseball decisions without financial restraints.
Fred you must do the right thing.
parkers
As people critique the job that BVW does, I believe the restraints that he faces from ownership has to be recognized. It is easy to stand on the outside, without knowing everything, while being critical. His job is to navigate what he believes to be the best course and at the same time not point fingers when the Wilpon’s curtail him.
In affect he becomes the face of management, yet with one hand tied behind his back.
jim stem
If Diaz had an average year for himself, the Mets make the playoffs and nobody is talking about that trade.
Kelenic May turn into a very good player at some point. Or he could be Nimmo, Haniger, Marvell Wynne or Gerald Williams. Or he might get hurt and never play a single game at the MLB level, no one knows. But one thing for sure is that no player is any good until he proves himself at the major league against the pitchers who already know how to pitch, not still trying to make the majors themselves.
MetsFan22
If he is nimmo mariners have a good player
MetsFan22
Mets don’t need Lindor to win WS. I’m not saying the will but they could without him.. keep Allen Mauricio Alvarez and Baty who look like they will be studs soon. Oh and Rosario will be a top 15 SS next year. And he’ll keep getting better just like he has. We could live with him.
luclusciano
Ha. This
holycow16
Go Cubs Go
parkers
After reading about Nimmo’s injury issue, it is easy to see how injuries can totally mess up even the best. In fact Nimmo will be fine in center, if he can stay healthy. With his ability to get on base, together with his above average speed, he fits as a lead off hitter. His hustle and positive demeanor is a bonus.
As we look to the season we tend to over think who will play where. But between injuries and slumps the long season fins a way of changing things. I like the comments that BVW made about last year being a learning year for him. He thinks that he is better prepared to deal with the unknowns.
dematteo1982
As a Mets fan who has proposed a Rosario, Nimmo,Peterson and Gimenez for Lindor in the past…im sick to my stomach to learn Rosario + 2 prospects would have gotten it done…idc if the prospects were #1 and #2…when you can get a top 10…arguably top 5 player in all of MLB…you get that player…
And to worry about paying Lindor in 2yrs when Lowrie..Cespedes and Familia all coming off the books in that time (close to $50mil) is crazy….i know the Mets dont operate like a NY market team..but again…getting a Franchise altering talent like Lindor…as shown with Cespedes deal…you pay the player…
Between losing a new billionaire owner (who is also a fan of the team..meaning he would prob spend big) and this news Lindor could have been had for Rosario ( who i like..and think his potential is superstar player..ie…close to .300 hitter..20+hr..30+ sb….key word potential) and 2 prospects…had me sick to my stomach…Lindor IS a superstar…
I get u got burned last year…but this is a trade they needed to make and didnt
The life if a Mets fan…..
hockeyjohn
dematteo1982 – It was Rosenthal that thought that Rosario and two prospects that would get Lindor. I guarantee you that would not be the case. If McNeil was the Indians prime target then he would have to have been in a deal for one to get done. The Dodgers have a much better farm system than the Mets, yet they could not get Lindor as they would not include Gavin Lux, who was the Indians goal, in an deal. I hope that eases your stomach concerns. .
Indianfan
Sounds like the Mets wanted Lindor from the Indians as a Christmas gift. Silly Mets. If you come back, bring a bag of talent with you.