The trade that would have sent Dodgers outfielder Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling to the Angels for infielder Luis Rengifo and outfield prospect Andy Pages appears to be dead. A report last week indicated Angels owner Arte Moreno was the one who put the kibosh on it. Moreno confirmed Monday that he did shoot down the LA-LA trade, per Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register, though he wasn’t willing to say why.
“It wasn’t all impatience. There were other things,” Moreno said of the causes for the failed swap, which fell through as the Dodgers waited to acquire Mookie Betts and David Price from the Red Sox (that ended up happening). Now, according to Moreno, the Angels have “moved on.”
Had the Angels gotten Stripling, he’d have looked like one of their most talented starters on paper. The club entered the offseason needing rotation help, and it has added a couple durable veterans in Julio Teheran and Dylan Bundy. It looks as if the the Angels continue to need front-end aid, though, especially with Shohei Ohtani set to stay off the mound for at least the first month and a half of the season.
The Halos did make a legitimate attempt to sign the No. 1 free agent available, right-handed ace Gerrit Cole, as they offered him $300MM over eight years back in December. But the Southern California native instead accepted the Yankees’ record-setting offer of nine years and $324MM. Moreno discussed the Angels’ Cole pursuit, indicating they simply couldn’t match the Yankees’ aggressiveness. “Walking in there and you knew, no matter what I bid, we’re going to get outbid,” he said. “We had a pretty big number out there.”
With the season getting closer, it may now be too late for the Angels to land an impact starter. However, if all goes well into the summer and the Angels are contending, Moreno’s hopeful they’ll find one via trade. The team has “the financial flexibility” for such an addition, according to Moreno, who noted it’s seeking someone “who can substantially help us, not a No. 4 or No. 5.”
General manager Billy Eppler may be tasked with finding that type of starter in a few months, but his future’s uncertain beyond 2020. The Angels exercised his option for this season late last year, though they haven’t made the playoffs since hiring Eppler before 2016, so he could be on shaky ground. It doesn’t seem they’re going to rush into an extension for him just yet. Rather, “As a group, we need to win,” said Moreno, who added, “I probably should fire myself” for the franchise’s recent performance.
the angels will be in the postseason this year. how far they go is anyone’s guess.
Rendon is the question
1000 OPS
900 OPS
800 OPS
The recent history of free agent players hasn’t been kind to the Angels.
But there is a chance they can have three players around or above 1000 OPS
Trout
Rendon
Ohtani
That can make up for their possible lack or production at C, 1B, RF
Especially if Simmons, Upton, LaStella can hit near or above 750 OPS
angels are well built for juice-less balls. besides, they don’t cheat.
Don’t know who makes it easier to win the AL West.
The Angels or Seattle
Have to go with Seattle. At the end of the day you can be happy you aren’t them.
What a train wreck.
if the angels are a train wreck, what would be the asstros? titanic?
You call Seattle–a rebuilding tean–a train wreck, and you’re an Astros fan!?
+Stevil
hmmm
suspicious stuff, he might have hopped on the bandwagon?
yeah I am actually curious to see what happens if the ball suddenly dejuices – it will drastically change mid tier position players and boost off speed pitching
No, he means that a team that hasn’t sniffed the postseason in two decades is definitely not doing it right. And it’s not that they’re rebuilding. Before this they were stuck never winning 90 games or losing 90 games. Granted 2018 was actually a bright spot, but the AL West was pretty nuts. It’s just that they’re stuck in a malaise.
The Astros can’t get down on anyone rebuilding after what they did early in the 2010s lol
Astros are going to crumble and its going to be hilarious. If one of the old men at the top of the rotation gets hurt or falls flat, this team will unravel quickly.
Not even hating, just pure facts after losing Cole, and leaving behind a paper-thin rotation.
They won without Cole. Might have to get creative, but this acting like one big name is going to save everyone from the basement is…. the Angels. Pre-Rendon I should say.
Astros won 107 games in 2017 and we finished 35 games behind them in the standings. They were the best team in baseball.
Even with Cole gone they still have one of the top 5 starting pitching staffs in the AL. If you are basing your comment on Verlander or Greinke unravelling, you need to rethink your position. Verlander and Greinke were two of the top 10 pitchers in baseball and the steadiest performers in baseball the past 6-7 years. Urquidy and McCullers were well above average and josh James and his 100 mph FB will be moving into their rotation until Peacock is healthy so that rotation is far from paper thin. I wish our rotation was that “thin”. .
You may be able to shave off 4-5 wins for Cole leaving and being replaced in the rotation by McCullers, but that is still a 100-102 win club.
As an Angels fan I would love to see the Astros fall apart, but what is much more likely to happen is that they rally around an “Us Against the World” mentality and they crush the AL West and win 100+ games again in 2020.
Verlander obviously can’t hold up forever. But, we’ve been saying that for a few years now, so who knows. As for Greinke, I think it’s worth noting that he’s already adapted to throwing 90 pretty gracefully. Obviously he can get worse, but if he’s already doing well throwing slow I don’t see the need for as much alarm as if he was still rapidly dropping from 95 to 93 and so forth. If he was still throwing hard, there would be concern that the wheels would fall off. I think this is a fair way of looking at it beyond “durr Astros are finished” but better than “durr Astros 107 wins repeat.”
Nothing against rebuilding because that is what the Astros had to do but it is the results after the rebuild.
Seattle always has this haphazard way of building their roster.
Since we have been in the AL West they are the team I always wonder WTH is going on with their front office
Angels?
I really like the direction of their farm system. Just matters if they are willing to stick with their young players.
Free agency? Hasn’t helped them at all. They have been by far the worst team in the AL West in the FA market.
Upton needs a good season this year. He’s a much better player than he’s been the past couple year and he’s being paid as such.
unlikely hasn’t had a good season for long time,
Upton hasn’t had a good season in a long time? Seriously?
He ranked 23rd in wRC+ the prior two years before his injury. This stuff isn’t hard to look up. For perspective, Kris Bryant ranked 23rd last year.
Justin averaged about 4 WAR per season from 2016-2018 then he got hurt in 2019. If he is healthy we should expect a season like 2018. About 4 WAR.
Last season we got negative WAR from the players that are still available to play LF this season. Goodwin will be starting in RF so not available, Bourjos and Puello are gone, and Fletch is penciled in as the starter at 2B.
So Upton needs to be healthy for us to have a shot.
From everything I heard today, Fletch is going to start at 2B. Simmons doesn’t have to get close to .750 OPS to be an asset to the team. Upton is a huge question mark in terms of health. He looked great today, but if he does not stay healthy we are going to have a huge hole to fill in the lineup. Castro is a plus on O and D behind the plate. Beyond him we are weak. We will probably have only Trout above 1.000 OPS but a real good chance to have 2 more above .900 OPS in Rendon and Ohtani. If we have 3 players over a .900 OPS it will be the first time in franchise history. Only a handful of teams have ever done that.
I think if Simmons hovers around that or even gets into the upper 700s, he is a top-tier player with how many runs he saves. I think he will be up there with Ozzie Smith as “1B” for defensive SS if he holds up.
From your fingertips to God’s ears. With his defense I would be happy with league average OPS from Simba.
lolol
at you!
Perhaps, but the Angels odds to reach the postseason might have improved had owner Arte Moreno not put the kibosh on the Dodgers trade.
Maybe the Angels odds of messing up Adell and Marsh was to leave them in the PCL, while Pederson was taking up an outfield spot.
Stripling would have been a fine add, Pederson would have been problematic.
Joc would’ve been an upgrade and a one year gap filler for Adell, lefty power bat would’ve looked nice on the angels. Moreno botched this
When did a team with Mediocre to no pitching slug their way into the playoffs?Never.
Mid 2000s Yankees, 2006 Mets, 2006 Cards just off the top
You forgot the Boston Red Sox. The 2015 Royals had neither.
I wish more people would do a little research before making comments.
Look at the pitching staff of all those teams you just mentioned. They had good pitching. Not a bunch of 4-5’s like the Angels. C’mon, do your research bro!
2006 Mets had an ace and two Hall of Famers in the rotation. Cardinals had one of the clutchest postseason starters who won the 2005 Cy Young award.
Angels have relative unknowns unless you work for Dr. James Andrews. It’s a big risk,
I was thinking the same thing. There really is no comparison between the current Angels pitching and that of those other teams mentioned.
Spoils the narrative to do research.
Bold prediction: the Astros will have a worse rotation than the Angels.
@Freddy That is a completely moronic prediction. I love the Angels, but I am under no delusion that we are as good as the Astros rotation.
Even with Ohtani returning for 20-25 starts and adding an above average starter in Teheran, the Angels are just slightly above average.
The Astros have two of the top 10 starters in baseball and their #3 and #4 starters are as good as anyone else besides Ohtani on the Angels.
They have a top 5 rotation. We are hoping to be better than #15. With our offense and defense that should carry us to contending for a WC spot.
The recent orioles playoff teams were all an example, 2019 Cardinals, 2017-2019 Yankees, take your pick.
Cardinals had one of the best pitching staffs and a bottom third offense
Yanks was a dominant bullpen, not sure I buy into this. Flaherty better than any angels pitcher currently, so cards are not that team either
Yankees had the #15 starting rotation in ERA. They were mediocre last season.
offense will be worse in 2020. Cardinal pitching will be worse also.
2007 Phillies, they had a disastrous pitching staff but they had a tremendous offense and they got in, but it was really mostly because the Mets lost 15 of their 20 games, including the final game of the season.
A team with weak pitching can grab a division or wild card, but it takes more on the mound to reach and, especially, win a World Series.
The Ace of the 2015 Royals was Edinson Volquez.
The Best Starter on the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals had an ERA+ of 108.
2015 Royals had an incredible bullpen. Can the Angels duplicate that with the parts they have?
angels have assembled a great pen but ran out of steam having to pitch so many innings.
No
Mr. Guest.
The 2015 Royals had a great bullpen. I don’t any team that can duplicated that. Their bullpen ace was a failed starter who was an after thought.
Bullpen can win a championship, but if you know who is going to pitch well in relief, major league teams would love to hire you. But it’s really not a skill anyone posses.
When one of your best rotation arms overdoses in midseason it puts a strain on everybody else.
2015 Royals starting rotation was 23rd in ERA. Their pitching staff as a whole was 14th. That is mediocre.
The 2011 Cardinals starting rotation and staff overall was 12th in ERA.
2nd most innings from a bullpen in baseball. That is what makes innings eaters like Teheran and Bundy so important.
There are some fringe examples but I agree with this. When the only pitcher to reach 100 innings was Cahill (6 ERA/FIP) then that is a glaring problem, and worse than what these other teams faced.
Mr. Intimidation. That was last year.
So are the A’s a problem this year when neither Puk, Montas, Luzardo or Manaea reached 100 innings?
Puk and Luzardo weren’t even here, so yeah that is kind of a problem for them lol unless they come through and dominate. Manaea got hurt but we can assume he’s healthy now, at least to begin the year. Montas got suspended for PEDs so is kind of another story.
Cahill was healthy and still only reached 100 (poor) innings. My point was that even when healthy, Angels starters had the lightest workload in the majors out of staffs that didn’t use openers. And yeah that sucks, to be honest, because their relievers are pretty talented. We could see them manage the load quite fine until they burned out. Cole is an excellent example of a talented guy who was used way too much, in my opinion. I hope that they find it in 2020 though.
The only thing that matters is who is pitching this year. Who is no longer pitching for the teams is not relevant.
I’m saying do the A’s have the same problem as the Angels because they have three pitches who were hurt most of last year and one who was never very good and was suspended for PED use.
Never really good…..2.43 era 1..15 whip before the suspension….And you were just telling other people to do their research
JDC what comment are you referring to?
Montas was not a top 85 prospect and had a negative WAR until the year he was caught cheating.
Outside of a year he used steroids, Montas has a 4.90 career ERA. You cannot include years when they are caught using steroids in determining talent level. Montas had never been very good before using steroids.
Also, 3 of the angels 5 starters are top
Top prospects who all could easily take a step forward. Their demise is overblown when it’s comes to SP. now health, that’s another thing.
Which Angel starter wasn’t a top prospect.
Ohtani #1.
Bundy #2.
Teheran #4
Heaney #25
Canning #56
Profar was number 1 for years, what’s your point
Yogi. I was curious who he was talking about.
The A’s are are plugging in two top prospects. Two prospects outside the top 5o. Three were injured. One is coming off a PED suspension and yet everyone seems to be optimistic they wont have problems. And everyone seems to attach the worst case scenario to the Angels
I don’t think there is a lot of balance of thought.
Probably has something to do with the A’s winning 97 games each of the last 2 years while the Angels haven’t had a winning season since 2015… One also has a track record of pitchers getting injured that’s impossible to ignore.
It’s not hard to see why a non-Angels fan would give the benefit of the doubt to the A’s over the Angels.
Priggs89,
It absolutely has to do with those 97 wins. But those wins don’t carry over to 2020. I think there is much cause for optimism regarding those A’s arms. But I also think there is room for optimism regarding the Angels arms.
My prediction is whoever gets the most innings from their projected top six starters (Ohtani included) will finish higher in the standings.
Yawn= everyones a top prospect….. you have a bottom 10 rotation in the league…its easier if you just say it out loud and begin the acceptance process
The Salt Lake Bees greatly appreciate all the contributions given by so !!
Montas wasn’t a top prospect.
And not everyone is a top prospect. There are MVPs who were not top 100 prospects.
Ohtani showed Ace stuff and results before the injury. He is being babied into the rotation but will still get 20-25 starts.
Teheran has been a #2 starter in terms of results. 119 ERA +.25th in ERA.
Heaney has been a better than average starter in the AL when healthy. His problem has been injuries.
Canning was a rookie last season and was better than average.. Expect improvement.
Bundy was just about an average starter. 99 ERA+ on scale of 100 being average. Moving from the bandboxes in the AL East to the cavernous ballparks in the AL West should help some and having Callaway and Maddon should help too, but even if he is the same pitcher, 170 IP of league average play is incredibly valuable.
Sandoval, Pena, and Peters will provide depth. Pena has been better than average as a starter. Sandoval was a rookie last season. Peters has been a swingman.
The wins don’t carry over but are a good evaluator when making future projections. I don’t think the Angels did enough to add in their areas of weakness to make up for that gap. It’s out of their control but they need Ohtani back on the mound as fast as possible I’m surprised of the month and a half delay
1979 and 2002 Angels
The path to the playoffs is *easier* with starting pitching, but your “never” reference is far from the truth.
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The 2002 Angels were anchored by Jarrod Washburn and included Kevin Appier, Ramon Ortiz, Aaron Sele, and later a rookie John Lackey. It was their bullpen of Weber, Donnelly, Frankie, and Percival that carried them (along with their power lineup).
The 2002 staff finished number one in runs allowed. I always thought that was a bad example.
My point was that the 2002 Angels did not rely on their starting staff as much as their offense and bullpen, BUT your response had me look up their stats…
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baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2002.shtml
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And you’re right (#1 in runs for AL, 4th in MLB), that staff actually had quality numbers across the board. Good take.
1979,1982,1986 Angels and 2002
2019 Yankees.
Had they gotten both Joc and Strip, then I would be right there with you. Now, I’m not too sure.
Moreno is a fool for allowing his temper to cancel what would’ve been a great deal for the Angels.
Joc may never be an everyday starter, but the guy absolutely mashes RH pitching. His OPS .920 vs. RHP would’ve been the 2nd highest on the team last season. Considering that historically, LHP only accounts for about 25-30% of pitches thrown in the bigs, even as a platoon player, Joc would’ve gotten the lion’s share of playing time in the OF.
Stripling would’ve given the Angels depth in the rotation & the pitching staff. He started 15 games last season, which would’ve been tied for 3rd on the Angels in 2019. But the reason Stripling started so few games for the Dodgers is b/c the Dodgers rotation was so good. If he were on the Angels, he’d have been in the rotation all season & likely would’ve led the team in starts. His ERA as a SP of 3.60 was better than any Angel SP by a wide, wide margin. Even w/ the Angels’ new signings, Stripling would be a great 3rd or 4th starter on the team (but given the Angels’ track record, potentially a front of the rotation SP…).
The Angels’ ceiling is 2020 is third place. Having two great players does not guarantee that they will be a good team. Their rotation is mostly fourth or fifth starters and their bullpen is not a strength. Ohtani is recovering from Tommy John and won’t be pitching until mid May. I wouldn’t count on him for much more than 100 innings pitched and 300 at bats.
The Rangers starters are much better than the Angles. Same results as last year…4th.
People forget the Rangers seemed to really hit it off with Mathis catching veteran starters. Interesting to see how they do.
you are correct
Ohtani is a #1. He will only get 20-25 starts, so not really an Ace, but top of the rotation when pitching. If he is starting in mid-May he will miss 7 starts before joining the rotation full time and he will get around 140-150 IP..
Teheran was a #2 starter. 119 ERA+. 24th in ERA.
Heaney has great stuff and better than average performance. His problem has been staying healthy.
Canning was a rookie last season and was better than average. We can expect improvement from him.
Bundy was average. 99 ERA+. What he brings is 170 IP. We needed innings eaters. I could see a slight improvement from him just in moving from the AL East to the AL West.
Felix Pena will be back and healthy in 2020. He is solid depth. Sandoval was a rookie last season and he was used mostly as an opener in 2019. It will be interesting to see what he can do without pitch counts and inning limits in 2020. .
Our bullpen is solid. With Ohtani returning and Teheran and Bundy, they will no longer have to throw almost 5 inning per game. Having Ohtani, Teheran, and Bundy in the rotation also means that our relievers will no longer have to start or open games. No more bullpen days because we don’t have a starter. Bedrosian, Ramirez, Garcia, Cole, Rodriguez and Robles won’t be starting games in 2020. Last season they combined to make 24 starts.
Our ceiling is a WC appearance. 87-88 wins is what is probable.
Are you kidding ? They only have starting pitching that no one else wanted. They dropped the ball not accepting the Dodgers gift
this is what a poorly ran organization looks like.
Lol. They signed trout for life, convinced Ohtani to play, drafted Adell and have encountered two huge tragedies in a decade. Oh, and they have as many WS victories this decade as any team on the west coast this decade, more if you go back two.
@BK. LOL!!!
Last I looked, the Giants were a West Coast team.
You know the giants are on the west coast right?
Giants are on the West Coast. We have one WS. Dodgers and A’s have none.
If you really believe that go to Vegas and put a few Gs on it, Vegas has them 100-1 on WS.
england premier league’s leicester city had 5,000-1 odds of winning the title. they were just up from 2nd division and 2 years removed from 3rd.. they won the title! a person bet 10,000 euros on that team and won a fortune!
Actually, Pages is a Dodgers prospect outfielder who was also headed to the Angels. Your initial graf reads as if it was the other way around.
@Connor Byrne – yes, there were 3 Dodgers and 1 Angels player listed there, but apparently two other Angels prospects were supposed to be announced later going to LAD, any idea who they were?
Nobody knows, and that’s why nobody can say categorically that it was a great deal for the Angels.
You can’t say that A is greater than B, if A = 84 and B = “I have no f#%%ing idea”
He should take his own advice! This is on Arte. If Eppler pulls off that trade, it makes him look great. Good deal for the halos. Stripling may not be the solution, but at least that trade is a step in the right direction.
you don’t even know the details of the trade. the most likely thing happened was angels refused the demand of more/better prospects.
Let your GM do his job. That trade was a massive win for the Angels.
Presumably, though we never did hear what was going back to the Dodgers along with Rengifo (apparently another prospect or two).
A lot of places named Taylor Ward as one of them. So fair to say it wouldn’t been equal value going back.
Exactly, the Dodgers were willing to take less inexchange for the Salary dump of Pederson and Stripling to get under the competitive tax threshold.
Moreno probably didn’t want to help the Dodgers do that after he saw all that Friedman had been doing. No matter to the Dodgers, they will work around this.
As for Anaheim, yes, Moreno should fire himself because like most bad owners, they don’t let their qualified people do their jobs. Moreno has screwed up more trades and signings than made out on them. And I’m an Angels friend/fan.
Yeah had to be, and definitely wasn’t Moreno acting like a spoiled wanna be Jerry Jones and not wanna help the dodgers
Without knowing who the prospects were that the Dodgers asked for, there is no way you can say that with certainty.
Moreno is a carnival barker. All bark, no bite.
It had to be that the dodgers were asking for other prospects that the angels were not willing to give up… Moreno knows the trade was perfect but there’s something that they’re not saying. Like Dodgers drove up the price at the last minute or something
Probably Brandon Marsh
Good idea.
I really think he breaks out this year.
Angels may be finding someway to unload Upton in July or in the off-season.
upton has a full no-trade.
Who would want an old non producing outfielder and Angels would have 1 outfielder left. lol
Upton is 32. Upton was 23rd in wRC+ the prior two years before his injury.
I really think you guys are nuts.
Dodger was too busy tries to get the Betts and Price trade done. Then Boston would not take the pitcher from the Twins, So Dodgers took him. Dodgers probably quit calling the Angels or even didn’t call them back and Art got mad.
Please Arte fire yourself. Better yet sell the team .
r u nuts?
LOL. Don’t think so.
Good owners stay out of the way.
Arte has no Vizion.
Tell that to Jerry Jones too
Angels Owner Arte should have let that deal go through
It was good for the Angels…
Nothing good happens when owners get involved in day to day operations. They should set a budget then sit back and watch the baseball guys go to work.
Watch Maddon make bad move after bad move. Third place
Arte should trade that molestache for a razor
Seemed like a no brainer deal to me. Couldn’t understand why he skipped it. He give up nothing for two decent players. Easy decision
As every0ne else has been pointing out, we only know what the Angels were getting, not all of what the Dodgers were getting. Can’t assess the potential deal.
Yeah but not giving up prospects is what keeps losers losers
He’s such a terrible owner. They go nowhere until he’s gone.
This seems like a pretty fair price for Joc and Ross. I wish DET would make an offer!
There is an error in the article. The deal is not as written.
The trade was
Joc + Ross + Andy Pages to Angels
Luis + ukn Prospect + ukn Prospect to Dodgers
With the 2 unknown prospects(/young players) going to Dodgers said to be “noteworthy” (might not have been that exact word, but think so)
Angels dont really have but about half a dozen “noteworthy” prospects plus a couple that recently graduated off lists that could have been one of the names, so the other two can likely be speculated on fairly accurately
Ahh, I guess that makes more sense.
Maddon is a below average manager. Way overrated. Third place
Yet all Maddon does is manage winning teams. He took over the laughingstock of the league and by year three he had the Rays in the WS. He then leaves and takes over the biggest loser in professional sports and within 2 years the Cubs win a WS. He has averaged 87.5 wins a season and his teams have won 90+ games in 9 of 14 seasons and been to the playoffs 8 of the past 12 seasons.
Coat tail riding on awesome gms
Arte is one of the wrost.
If he were the owner of any other team in the game and did all the micromanaging stuff he does, he would be tarred and feathered on the daily. I cant believe Angels fans so regularly bend over for this guy. Doesn’t make any sense, especially with the club fluctuating between irrelevant to a massive disappointment with an unbelievable track record of destroying every pitchers arm they get ahold of the last decade.
Sell the team!
Living In Orange County I can tell you nobody really gives a shizzz about the Angels in the area-
They are strictly a “call me if you can get there” and your “bringing back the cute rally monkey right?” fan-base-
This is a perfect nesting hole for a guy like Moreno
really? is that why the team averages 3 million people in attendance every year?
@JD That is funny. 3 million fans every year. Top 5 in attendance year after year since Arte bought the team. People care and care passionately in this area.
@JD where in the OC do you live?
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I live in North County and see and hear a ton of support and excitement. We have many family and friends in South County and see the same. OC seems like the land of Chevy Suburbans with an Angels “A” on the back window.
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In addition to the aforementioned yearly 3M fans, if you get out to Spring Training (highly recommended), there are thousands of OC fans excited for the coming season (every year). I’ve experienced a lot of passion for this team, but am curious where you are…
Moreno, who noted it’s seeking someone “who can substantially help us, not a No. 4 or No. 5.”
This guy is so out of touch. Stripling would easily be their 1 or 2. Otani wont pitch anywhere near 160 innings… Stripling has never had an ERA above 4.00
To be fair, his career ERA as a starter is 3.71, and that is even heavily influenced by his being one of the teams ‘great only at Dodgers stadium’ pitchers. He has a career 3.89 ERA on road, with 3/4ths of those appearances being out of the bullpen. (If factor for only road starts, I’m sure his ERA is over 4. I just cant get those numbers atm)
Over the past 3 seasons, Stripling has made 23 road starts and has an ERA of 3.78 in those starts.
Whoa crazy that someone got facts all of a sudden on here
Stripling has never pitched more than 122 two innings and would have been the oldest pitcher on the staff. Not just the oldest starter, the oldest pitcher.
Stripling would have been a fine add, Pederson would have been problematic.
Stripling turned 30 last November. He is in his prime.
Thirty is hardly prime. I like Stripling, but he’s never pitched 125 innings and he’s 30 years old.
I’d like to have had him. The Angels could use him, but we don’t know who the Angels would have had to given up, and Pederson would have been problematic.
Adell and Marsh can’t linger in the PCL. It’s not a place conducive to building prospects.
Pederson problematic? He’s a clubhouse leader and fan favorite. If by problematic you mean mean a platoon player, that’s different, Either way your way off in that statement.
Both would’ve upgraded that third place team
Stripling has never had a season without at least 2 trips to the injured list.
Maxed out at 21 starts.
Less than 5 IP per start.
ERA+ of .96 as a starter.
3.71 ERA as a starter and 4.22 as a starter outside of Chavez Ravine.
Stripling is a perfect swing man. A #5 of #6 starter. The kind of guy that can’t stay healthy enough to be counted on as a starter, but is good when available.
I thought the owner’s name was Morono.
1988 and none spending all that money and zilch!
“It wasn’t all impatience. There were other things”…yes like Arte’s butt hurt ego that the Betts trade was first priority for the Dodgers and Joc to the Angels was a salary dump for them.
The Angels haven’t had a pitching staff worth anything in well over a decade. They had the chance to keep Grienke and Arte choose to sink a ton of money into Josh Hamilton instead. Clueless organization that doesn’t learn from previous mistakes, continues to sign players to big money deals that don’t actually make sense to what they actually need.
“The Angels haven’t had a pitching staff worth anything in well over a decade.”
Do you make this stuff up as you go along?
The 2014 staff was incredibly set up. They won the most games in baseball.
Weaver was 31, a year older than Stripling is now.
Wilson was the ace of back to back world series teams in 2011 and 2012 and coming off a all star appearance.
Shoemaker, Skaggs, Richards. They just acquired Heaney.
The team was set. How’d that work out.
One season since 2009 and they got swept by the wild card game winning Royals. That actually helps further my argument, not prove me wrong.
How?.
The Angels allowed two runs in nine innings in game one. They allowed one run in nine innings in game two.
The reason the Angels didn’t advance is because Mike Trout got one hit in that series.
I’m not really sure how that supports your position.
Moreno , sorry you aren’t winning 85 games with that injury prone staff. 100% healthy you wouldn’t win with that AAA staff. You got pissed like a baby on that trade and took your toys and went home. Before that you wasted 35,000,000 on a player you didn’t need so you could flex your ego. I feel sorry for the So Cal fans. No wonder the Dodgers are so popular. I am sure Eppler can find some more pitching off the smoldering pile of garbage and overpay like he always does for old worn out pitching.
Crazy Larry
So is Oakland not winning with their injury prone staff?
Even with A’s pitchers being injured, they come back strong. Manea was out for most of the year, but did you see how damn well he pitched the few starts he got last year? Look at Luzardo when he got called up, pitched like he was in the majors for a while already. Chris Bassitt? He is not well known but pitched pretty well too. Mike Fiers?? 15-04 record last year and killed it . Montas before PED suspension? Easily an all-star. Even with their “injury-prone staff” the A’s got 97 wins and the Angels did not. A’s have a group of talented young pitchers that can get it done.
As I said, cause for optimism, but innings out of the pen and 30 innings by Manaea don’t do much to answer the questions.
Puk and Luzardo had zero starts big leagu
Mike Fiers is a notch below Teheran and people are dissing Teheran left and right.
Fair enough, but to answer your question. YES, A’s can get it done. It’s the young rotation that makes them a good rotation. Somehow A’s pull it off with a low budget. I mean just looking at the early 2000s, Zito, Mulder, and Hudson were all low budget pitchers and got it done. I see a similarity here with Manea, Luzardo, and Puk who many experts in MLB believe will be even better. In terms of Manaea, I am just telling you if he can awesome for a few starts, imagine what he would have done with a full year. Same with Luzardo, which everyone expects to challenge for rookie of the year this season. Even some competition with Puk.
The A’s can get it done, and they can also not get it done. To 2015-2017 the As lost 94, 93 and 87 games. Wins and loses don’t carry over from one season to the next.
I’m not disrespecting the A’s. Those pitchers could be great, but there is a reasonable chance they struggle.
If I was an A’s fan, I’d be very optimistic. Like the A’s, the Angels are going to get their innings from a completely different group of pitchers. There are a lot of talented pitchers on both staffs. There are a lot on injury concerns on both staffs.
To me, the optimism and pessimism seem a bit one sided.
“I probably should fire myself”
Arte, please take your own advice and gtfo! You are a horrible owner, and the Angels will never win with you commanding the ship. Exit stage right, thank you.
Just like walking into the circus…. you know a clown when you see and hear one.
I do HaloShane, and that’s you.
Anyone discussing the timeline of when the talks began?
Before, during, or after the Dodger trade talks gained traction?
That should be considered; considering we are mentioning Arté
Strip and Pederson were perfect fot the Angels. They were practically picked up for nothing. Joc has potential for 40 home runs and strip a 12 to 15 game winner. Too bad Artie pulled a Pelosi Hissy fit and nixed the deal.
Artie nixed the combined 5 war difference that would have gotten the Angels the one of the wild cards.
captnKrunch,
Who were the Angels giving back.
As far as five war? Are you saying the combination of Goodwin/Adell and Patrick Sandoval will combine for a zero WAR? I’ll take that bet.
I’ll take that bet in a heartbeat.
Pederson would have been a 1.2 WAR improvement over Goodwin alone.
Stripling would have been a small improvement at best because he would not make many starts. His best has been 21 starts and he is as injury prone as anyone on the Angels staff.
I loved the trade, but it still would have been only a 2-3 win improvement. I still think that having Pederson in the lineup every day would have allowed Jo Adell to be weaned into the lineup and that would have been a good thing. by next year Adell will be the starter and this will be a moot point.
You have no idea who the Dodgers were asking for in return other than Rengifo and you have no idea what other reasons went into him killing the deal. A hint would be that Stripling has never had a season without at least 2 trips to the injured list.
While his track record is not good, at least Moreno is willing to spend money each year which puts him above many greedy owners in this league. He just needs cede control to his front office and sign the checks.
Like a lot of you, I did a major “WTF” when this trade fell through.
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That being said, I was listening to Sports Talk XM and recall one of the hosts saying this is a tactic in negotiations to leak the “known” players in the deal while the “unknowns” are still being worked. The fan base gets fired up about the “known” players and theres pressure to get the deal done. Meanwhile, the “sending” club (Dodgers) gets flack for not getting enough, so they tell the receiving club (Angels) to sweeten the deal more…
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Makes you think a little…that’s pretty much how it played out…
Can we take Artie up on firing himself?
Arte is a stand up guy and he knows that if you refuse a trade for medical reasons that it will negatively affect the player or players earning potential going forward even if they perform well, so he is simply refusing to answer question about why he put the kibosh on this trade. It would have been great if the Orioles and Red Sox organizations had shown the same restraint.
Today Arte addressed a number of former players and other current and former team personnel and said we offered Cole a higher AAV than the Yankees knowing that he was only interested in going to one of 2 teams that were in the playoffs last year and expected to win their division this year. He also said that after signing Rendon we still have enough payroll flexibility for 2020 and beyond to go after any player that we need. Obviously he can’t mentions players by name that are under contract with other teams, but when asked if we could go after the top FA in the market who expected to be asking for 12/420, he said that if Billy determines that any player is a fit that he is under no payroll restrictions. .
Cole took the highest bid that is undisputed. 9 years 324 is just a better offer
Jeez people are soo delusional. I fail to see how Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling were the difference between Angels being a playoff team. GTFO!!! Stripling hasn’t ever pitched over 120 innings nor gone a whole year as a full starter and you expect him to be the best option on the Angels hahaha. Joc pederson ? Lol did you guys forget Angels let Kole Calhoun test free agency, thats literally the same player people are you all really this dumb?
LaFlama. Joc and Kole are two different people. They can’t “literally” be the same player. Are YOU really this dumb?
The LA Times version of this interview includes this tidbit:
Told that fans don’t think the owner’s impatience is a good reason to blow up a trade that would improve the roster, Moreno started, “Well, have you ever met …”
He didn’t go any further.
“I won’t get into it,” he said.
Interpret as you will.
Pages was going to LAA from LAD FYI
Not really LAD MO to demand more in a trade after its agreed upon, they do 10-15 deals a year since 2017 and haven’t ever done something like that
Have to think Arte really just got impatient. Which is horrible…. think he cares more about the Dodger/Angel rivalry than any other player or fan
Honestly, not a Halos fan, but I like Moreno. Tries hard, willing to spend without hesitation, willing to admit he should probably “fire” himself as his moves haven’t paid off. Results can change, effort & commitment generally doesn’t. Anytime he wants to sell the Angels & buy my Mets, I’d welcome it.
They are taking gambles on Bundy and Teheran. Both will give up their healthy share of dingers and don’t have nearly the same groundout potential as Stripling. Joc would have been a nice bat to put into the lineup as well. So basically this is the Angels falling well short again of relevance. Yes they got Rendon for offensive production but offense only gets you so far when they barely addressed their rotation depth that was a problem from last year.
“I’m just glad Arte Moreno isn’t the GM for my favorite baseball team.” – every fan