The Reds have officially struck a four-year, $64MM pact with free agent outfielder Nicholas Castellanos. The Scott Boras client also obtains opt-out opportunities after the 2020 and 2021 campaigns.
Castellanos will be paid in the form of a $16MM salary in 2020, $14MM in 2021 and $16MM salaries in 2022-23. There’s also a $20MM mutual option for a fifth season that comes with a $2MM buyout. Those salaries are impacted by a series of deferrals that alter the payout structure.
This is a fascinating agreement for a variety of reasons. It represents a finishing flourish from Boras, who orchestrated a masterful winter of signings. MLBTR had predicted a four-year, $58MM deal for Castellanos. The young slugger had been the last major free agent left unsigned; attention now will turn to an uncertain but highly interesting trade market. And the Cincinnati organization has now poached a top performer from a division rival — and not for the first time this winter. (This deal matches the guarantee the team used earlier in the winter to lure Mike Moustakas.)
Most of all, it’s a deal that may portend more action to come. The Reds outfield picture is so fully loaded that one or more current players will surely end up out of the frame — perhaps with another organization entirely.
When the Reds added Shogo Akiyama, we noted the resulting roster crunch and wondered whether the club might spin off a younger talent via trade. Thus far, the Reds have only shed Nick Martini. But with Castellanos on board the case for a blockbuster is arguably all the more compelling.
Akiyama and Castellanos figure to command fairly regular playing time. Jesse Winker could take the larger side of a platoon situation. Perhaps Nick Senzel will be included in that group to form a strong four-man primary unit. But that’d mean optioning Aristides Aquino … and figuring out what to do with players like Scott Schebler, Travis Jankowski, Phil Ervin, Jose Siri, and Rule 5er Mark Payton.
Both Senzel and Aquino are potentially intriguing trade candidates, depending upon the Reds’ plans. In the wake of the Castellanos news, it has emerged already that the former is being dangled on the market to some degree.
While we wait to see whether there’s any broader fallout from this move, there’s one takeaway that we can make straight-away: the Reds’ lineup is now rather loaded. Castellanos will presumably slot into the middle of a unit that now features Akiyama and Moustakas along with preexisting stars Joey Votto and Eugenio Suarez.
Castellanos has had some ups and downs but the numbers have been there at the end of each of the past several seasons. He has produced at about 20% north of the league-average rate since the start of the 2016 season. And Castellanos ended 2019 on a tear, mashing out a .321/.356/.646 run in 225 plate appearances with the Cubs.
Could there be more in the tank? A voluminous accumulator of doubles, Castellanos began to find his long ball stroke late last year and could be a breakout candidate in the homer-friendly environs of Great American Ballpark. And he won’t even reach his 28th birthday until March.
On the other hand, there’s some downside that must be considered here as well. Castellanos runs rather well (73rd percentile sprint speed) but has rarely translated that into contributions on the basepaths (-9.8 career BsR) or in the field (-100 career DRS). While the DRS and UZR grading systems both saw some improvement in Castellanos’s glovework in 2019, neither graded him as even an average performer. And Statcast’s outs above average measure placed him in just the 4th percentile leaguewide.
C. Trent Rosecrans and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported the deal (Twitter link). Contract details were reported by Jon Heyman of MLB Network (links to Twitter), Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer (on Twitter), MLB.com’s Mark Sheldon (via Twitter), and ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan (via Twitter).
good for this dude. hopefully he got paid
Laid*
One usually comes with the other.
No pun intended
much more than I expected both annually and in years.
*poon
I agree. Good for him, and good for the Reds, but I suspect this is a substantial overpay.
Yeah why did the Reds just sign a DH?
Because he can hit the ball hard and far.
Fully agree
Because there will be a DH likely in the NL starting next year and this year the line up is remarkably improved. Plus we have lots of trade chips and can fully platoon all these guys
Because what team DOESN’T need a guy who had 88 extra base hits last year? I guess they could have signed Peter Bourjos for his defense, but he’s already playing CF for the Cardinals, because they love cool, fast guys who hit .205. wait. I’m sorry, that’s Harrison Bourjos in St. Louis.
And he gets to leave next year if he’s sweet? I’m ready to throw him in the package for Lindor or Seager
The Reds are thinking outside the box. The Reds already have a fat guy at 2nd base. They can just take the worst defensive outfielder and put him at shortstop and hope no one hits it to him.
All kidding aside, they have the best rotation in the division along with the best lineup in the division. I do not think they are done. They have Galvis at shortstop but are probably looking for an upgrade. The Reds are a team that will trade prospects, I could see a Senzel, Galvis, Winkler, and Greene to Indians for Lindor. If they end up with Galvis at short on opening day,, they would probably still be ok.
I wouldn’t worry too much about Castellano’s defense when he plays at GABP. His bat will mean more than his defense. The division has been rather stagnant and the Reds are seizing the moment and moving all their chips to the middle of the table. You like to see teams like the Reds that recognize an opportunity and go for it.
You may want to look up the definition of “pun.” AKA the lowest form of comedy.
Best lineup in the division? Rizzo, Bryant and Schwarber are all projected better than any reds hitter. I’d say the order is the Cubs, Brewers, Reds, Cardinals and Pirates.
Are you high? You think the Reds are giving up Senzel, Winkerler (sic) and Greene” for Lindor?!
No freakin’ way. Indians get Senzel and Winker and MAYBE a 20-30 rated prospect. No more for certain.
@redsrealist You are high. It would take senzel, india, and 2 more pieces. (Gutierez+ another?) And winker could be included. I’m not saying reds should do it but it would take that. He immediately become the reds best player and prob give them a chance to win a world series.
@rbz the reds have a more complete lineup now. Bryant is gone soon and schwarber is good not great. I don’t project him better than Suarez and he is not that much better than castellanos in that park. Cubs are on the outside sitting this year. Sorry
No DH in NL possible before 2022.
@triber4life Bryant is not gone yet, due to the pending service time dispute. Looks like the Cubs will evaluate where they’re at come through deadline, if we have a resolution by then.
Schwarber outhit Castellanos during the second half last season, and is better defensively. Look at Fangraphs depth charts — they project the Cubs for a .339 WOBA and the Reds for a .325 WOBA. The reds rotation is better than the Cubs, but the difference in position player talent is stark. Do the Reds have a single 4 WAR position player? Cubs have three: Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, with Schwarber and Contreras good for 3 WAR.
@rnzz69 Yes, Suarez had a 4.5 war last year. Shogo had a War of 4.7 in Japan. As a slap hitter and high obp guy, i dont expect it to go down much, but it is open to speculation. Castellanos had a WAR of 2 in 50 games in Chicago, which of course projects to over 6 over a full season. Can he maintain that rate for a full season, not likely, but a 4.0 war is not out of the question. Moustakas WAR was over 3. Acquino had a WAR of 1.0 in 50 games, which would also be 3 for a full season. Votto probably cannot be a 7.0 wAR guy like he was a couple years ago, but 3.0 is within reason.
The is a big difference in morale coming into the season. The Reds will enter the season with a good morale. The Cubs will not. I do expect Bryant to be traded at some point. Even he gets a settlement in his favor, he is not going to love playing for the Cubs.
With that $, no prob.
Agreed. Probably 4/60 or 4/64.
Didn’t get paid by the lowly Cubs – they have no money!
This signing will haunt the Cubs for years to come. 4th place finish at best this year.
they have no fit for him
I agree. The Rickets own Chicago but they should no longer own the Cubs. All together now “GO TO HELL RICKETS – GO TO HELL RICKETS”.
Do you operate with an unlimited budget?
Oh how quickly ye forget… how long had the Cubbies’ historic drought lasted? 108 years, and they finally got it done with the help of Boston’s baseball lord and savior Theo Epstein.
Finkle is Einhorn
Einhorn is Finkle
Einhorn is a man!oh my god!
Is that your gum digging into my hip?
Who are the 3 teams clearly better than he Cubs in the central and why…….. Every team lost a key free agent but the Reds. Cubs lost their bullpen and Castellanos, but with him they were about the same as before him TBH. Hamels? he was hurt or running out of gas in the 5th most games down the stretch.
Cubs have some flaws, but they are still a dangerous team to sleep on.
ChiSox are in a position to win now. Will be interesting to see if they can do that with the youth they have and sophomore slumps that usually occur.
Reds – 92
Cards _ 91
Brewers – 88
Cubs – 80
Pirates – 63
Let’s the Twins, Cleveland, and maybe the White Sox. With the Royals gaining.
Cubs also lost their depth in Zobrist and Russell and arguably their best starter in the first half in Hamels. They have less talent today than the team that won 84 games. Are there 3 teams clearly better? Maybe not, but I wouldn’t be surprised they finish 4th given the old and declining starting rotation and lack of depth.
You’re absolutely baked if you think there’s a 12 game difference between the Reds and Cubs.
What exactly did they get from Zo and Russell last year?
Cardinals and cubs will finish 1-2 in the nl central. Reds 3rd, brew crew 4th do to the lack of starting pitching. Pirates last.
Ozuna and Grandal losses are equal to Castellanos….I see Reds 95, Cards 85, Cubs 84 and the rest under 80.
They got a lot more from Zobrist and Russell than Almora Jr and Descalso who are still on the team. More importantly they have no depth. It looks like Tyler Chatwood is going to be the 5th starter with little behind him which is not good for an old, declining staff. The pen right now is Kimbrel and a bunch of pitchers with little to no track record at the MLB level. As currently constructed, I would gladly take the under on 84 wins as this team is not as talented as the 2019 team.
Lol cubs aren’t gonna finish 4th. 2nd at worst. They’re still the odd on favorite. They win at least 90 games. Reds with 86-88 cards 85-87 brewers and pirates 65-80. Obviously pirates will have the 65 wins.
Zobrist and Russell were non-factors last year. The loss of both is insignificant.
I’m a Cubs fan and I generally agree with this prognostication. Look they won 84 with Joe Maddon and now with less talent and a rookie manager, why would anyone think they will win more games unless you’re just a fanboy?
I’d give the Cubs at least 81.
I figure the Cubs are at best third! But that’s as high as they go!
Because they underperformed last year and teams typically have a bounce back under the first year of a new manager.
Right…it’s at least 15-16 at this point.
Reds aren’t going from a 75 win team to a 92 win team by signing Castellanos and Moustakas and Wade Miley. You guys are high. Cincinnati is spending money, but they didn’t sign 17 wins.
they had the most 1 run losses in baseball before additions
Spot on
“Brewers have no pitching and are a 4th team” hmm sounds like the last 2 years.
Royals “gaining” weight?
Reds don’t win 92
Why would the Cubs finish ahead of what they did last year? 3rd at best. Brewers, Cards and now probably the Teds are ahead of them.
That has been said for the last two years and how has that worked out for the cubs? The brewers have finished ahead of the lowly loser cubs
You transposed those numbers for the Reds.
You’re wrong, They have the best pitching now, An upgrade at 2nd base, And that outfield, They have the extra 17 wins, You did see our FA signings right or did you just drink those away. You need to step away from the bar.
Wrek- They’re not the odds on favorite on any betting site that I’ve looked at. Most of them have the Cardinals at 16/1 to win the World Series, and the Cubs and Reds are tied at 30/1. Most division futures aren’t really out yet. I’m a Cardinals fan and don’t agree with those odds, but I can honestly see any of those three teams as interchangeable.
Anyone who’s looked at Fangraphs depth charts or ZIPS projections and see the Cubs at 89 wins, MIL at 85, STL AT 84, and the reds at 81.
Because the brewers lost half their team and the cardinals already putrid offense lost its cleanup hitter. The Cubs had an extremely high amount of blown saves that cost them that division. This will be a crap shoot
Cubs favorite? They are 3rd at best. Like Brewers, their rotation is not very good. Reds are first right now on paper and cards second. People wanna see history and that has nothing to do with this year. Reds made moves. Cubs are prob going deal Bryant too, so they won’t have him.
Zobrist and Russell combined for a 0.0 WAR. Hoerner and Happ produced 1.7 WAR last season and are projected at 2.4 WAR in 2020.
Cards are the favorites in the Central at 89.5 wins. Cubs and Reds are tied after this signing at 86.5 wins. Going to be a fun year.
BTW, White Sox are at 83.5 wins.
It won’t take 92 to win division
So u think with that lineup they only put 2gether 5-6 more wins than 2019
Imagine being so butt hurt by the Cubs that you feel the need to hate on them in the comment section of an article that has to do with the Reds, while being a White Sox fan. HA! Keep up the great posts @ChiSox_Fan,
***butt hurt is soooo 5th grade
Sounds like 5th grade was a rough time for you.
Lol
Cub fans seem so bitter….just because you’ve replaced the ’85 Bears as the team that should have been a dynasty-but failed is no reason to lash out.
did you go to Catholic school?
We aren’t bitter. We’re just explaining how absurd this guy’s NL Central predictions are and how the best sports books in the world all disagree with him. Why is considered bitterness to disagree with someone?
Lmao
I agree. The Reds win the division. The Cubs finish 9 games out of first.
Some Cubs fan you are. Did you jump on after the 17 min rain delay
The facts are things just don’t look good for the Cubs on paper. If team A has a better staff, a better lineup, and said team has more depth to avoid any losses due to injury than team B, then those facts combined typically lead to the conclusion that team A will finish ahead of team B..
You just have to take your homerism out of the equation. Regardless how we feel, it does not change facts on paper. It is baseball, so technically, anything is possible, but to say the Cubs are going into this season with a better team than the Reds, that is just false and ignorant.
It is no different than someone saying the Red Sox have a better roster than the Yankees, or the Mets are better than the Nationals or Braves..On paper, it is quite clear which teams have the more complete team..
I like the Cubs, and hope they do well..HOWEVER, for the Cubs to finish above the Reds, a lot is going to have to go right for them, and a good bit is going to have to go wrong for the Reds..
@ChiSox, If that is the case, then it will probably only haunt them for one year, as he will opt out.
Brewers won 89 last season and they lost Grandal, Moustakas, Thames, and half of the depth from an already terrible rotation. They didn’t replace any of those losses with players of equal or even significant value either.
I don’t see them losing only 1 game in the standings.
Poor Ricketts, all that money from online investment markets and once the curse was broken, the Cubs’ payroll is there red headed step child.
Their*
Let’s now end the “Miguel Andujar (or any other defensively challenged bt first player) has no value narrative”. Castellanos is a bat only player and he just signed for $64 mil with a National League team. Add to the fact that Andujar is 3 younger and 4 years of control he could be a valuable trade asset if he can prove healthy and repeat his rookie year performance. And he might even improve his defense and become at least an average defensive 3b. First. he needs to prove himself again. The Yanks need to find at bats for him.
Cincinnati? Wasn’t expecting that
It was reported over a week ago that Castellanos and the reds were close to a deal. It’s surprising that it took so long
Actually no surprise on the timing either. Scott Boras client and Boras was not going to rush to sign if he was still talking to any other team. He is a smart agent and he would try to get another team to match or beat the offer the Reds made. . Obviously, no other team would do any better than the Reds so he eventually signed.
Castellanos was still considering White Sox platoon role for same money.
Surprised he stayed in the NL with no DH. Probably wanted to haunt the Cubs.
DH is coming to NL.
Not as much as the Cubs seem to haunt you
So do we go ahead and add, say, .35 or so to Reds’ pitchers ERA’s as a result?
He is not as bad defensively as advertised. He will be fine especially in that ballpark.
He’s the Reds 3rd 3rd basemen. The plan is to play him at short.
LOL. He hasn’t played third in years. He couldn’t play short if his life depended on it.
He’ll be in a corner OF. You’re just being dramatic
He plays right field.
Kevin Mitchell (5’9”, 250 lb) played a significant number of games at SS for the 1986 Mets.
Would be entertaining to see the Reds try the same with Moustakas, or even Aquino!!
*** 5’10”
Badly.
He will play RF. He will be close to league average defensively. They didn’t sign him for defense.
He was atrocious for 2 months playing in, arguably, the easiest defensive outfield in baseball. What makes you 1) think he’s not as bad as advertised and 2) think he’ll be fine in Cincy?
Naivety?
If you’re talking about Wrigley, when the hell was he atrotious there? I watched every game and he never made an error or even a single misplay.
Also, with the way the wind plays, Wrigley is HARDLY the easiest defensive OF in baseball.
Are you serious or just stupid?
He problem is not fielding balls hit at him. It’s getting to balls.
Wrigley with that wind is hardly the easiest outfield in baseball. You must not watch many games.
51 games with the Cubs and ZERO errors.
You didn’t watch him obviously.
If you watched his routes to the ball, the man is terrible.
He’s inept
Actually RF in Wrigley is very tough. Do your research.
He’s going to absolutely take in that park
Rake
His defense is improving and now he has much less ground to cover in the Great American Smallpark
How is his defense improving?
That would mean his defensive numbers (DRS, UZR/150) have improved in each year he’s been in the OF
…math…..
His first 5 seasons he played in Yellowstone park. Then at Wrigley for 2 months. He’s not even bad on defense. Haters also said Kyle Schwarber was horrific in left field. They didn’t say this before the 2015 NLCS. Castellanos is an above average defender
I mean I haven’t seen him play much so I’m no expert but saying he’s above average goes against everything I’ve ever read about him.
“Above average” ?
So you’re saying you know absolutely nothing. Thanks for clearing that up.
Another stupid comment from dynomite drop
Hey, hey, listen, guys… Look, I don’t want to mess with no reefer addicts, okay?
Monty, Reading many of the articles and looking at the constant reference to his poor defense it is understandable to then take that information and have that be the reality. The reality is he started off as a not very good RF in a very large RF at Comerica. Recipe for disaster. Even Tori Hunter posted positive defensive metrics before and after roaming RF at Comerica.
UZR was -12.9 in 2018, -4.5 in 2019 with tigers, -.6 with the cubs. So in his 2 months with the Cubs, Average range, no errors (reference to making the plays he’s supposed to make). etc. Part of it is progress in RF, part of it is ballpark adjustment, giving me the confidence he will be in a pretty good situation at GABP’s RF.
51 games with the Cubs and ZERO errors. Watch a game sometime then comment.
How is it not improving?. He went from the worst in 2018 to Mickey Brantley level in 2019.
Which means he’s still bad, but it’s improving. And Chicago is a hard RF to play so is Detroit.
Cincinnati seems like a good fit for him.
Reefer addict? Seriously?
Don’t know about above average but not atrocious. He’s a part time DH being forced to playing field full time in NL which is not ideal for Reds
It’s a quote from Back To The Future. You guys take this comments section way too seriously.
@Rico
Finally a lucid and thought provoking reply. Thank you.
Imagine a MLB player being “forced” to play real baseball…
@mistry
Errors are really a terrible way to measure defense..
You can watch a flyball fall a half foot in front of you, and as long as you pick it up cleanly and hit your cut off, you’re good to go..lol
Castellanos’ fielding has definitely improved with more time, and especially by getting out of his former park, for what that’s worth..However, if you ever want to be taken seriously, avoid using errors in any debate measuring a player’s abilities on defense..Analytics are your friend, and they’re available for a reason, they paint a much clearer picture of a player’s abilities or lack thereof…
Not trying to be an dbag or anything, just trying to let you know..
According to StatCast, Castellanos was a -7 OAA. Right between Brantley and Braun on the list. 7 runs below the average OF.
The guy he is replacing, Puig, was exactly average.
OAA has him in the fourth percentile in the major leagues. Koamalu please stop spouting garbage! He can’t field!
Actually, 51 games with the Cubs and ZERO errors. They now have a great player.
Stop already. You have said that on several threads about Nick. Zero Errors means he didnt bobble something he got to. It means nothing more. I was really trying to ignore you, but when you keep repeating the same thing so manytimes after others have attempted to explain to you, and you still dont get it.. Stupid is as stupid does.
Well, some folks aren’t smart enough baseball fans to be understand what any given defensive metric means or doesn’t mean. He seems to.be one of these, but feels that repeating the same cringey comment over and over will make him right.
F.O. dumb ass.
Think He’s a 5(+2)e0?
Cool
Hope he got paid. I really like the adds the Reds have made. My pick to win the Central.
Pick again.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can’t pick the Reds to win their division.
You can and I did. On paper they look pretty solid. That’s what preseason predictions are…
Chief why not? You aren’t a Cubs fan are you? The Reds owned the Cubs last year in spite of injuries and underperforming offense. I think they are well positioned this year.
Good for the Reds and good for him
The NL Central is pretty exciting, and I have the Reds winning it this year, but you can’t sleep on the Brewers, Cards and maybe even Cubs.
What about the Pirates…you can’t sleep on them too, right?
I hope the Bucs tighten up soon, I have family in Pittsburgh and the season is a lot more fun for us all when both the Reds and Bucs are contending, weekend trips back and forth, trash talking, etc. Who knows hopefully they’ll surprise everyone this season
Sleeping on or near the Pirates only results in one thing. Scurvy.
As a Pirates fan I agree, there’s only one team in the division that’s got no chance. Should be an exciting year for fans of all the other teams in the division.
The central is gettable and that is what the Reds are counting on by adding these players. They will surely contend. The East and west are different animals. I think the Braves, Nats, and Dodgers are still a few steps ahead of the other teams, but I am hoping the Phillies have enough (with one more starter) to close the gap.
that’s awesome
Nicholas gonna love playing at GABP.
Expected but don’t like the fit as good as TEX. #noDHinNL
Ah man, good for the Reds and their fans. Really liked this guy and was hoping Texas would get him. He’s going to do well in Great American.
Yes, congratulations Reds. Many Cubs fans will now give up on the Rickets family and the true Cubs fans will start demanding that Epstein leave. I’m starting a comedy club in Chicago. I’m going to call it “The Rickets legacy”. The top three in the N.L. Central (St. Louis, Milwaukee and Cincinnati) get in free.
Yeah all they did was snap the longest running title drought in sports, what a terrible front office and ownership group.
Since then, that FO has been pretty awful…what’s your point?
And after their sole. championship in 116 years now, they gave up
And why do you suppose it was so long?
Lol, They are strapped for cash, have talent in the minors right now (4 top 100) and their will be more within the next year or so, and the guys they have are not sloutches.
Pitching will be good with Lester, Darvish, Hendricks, Quintana, Mills/ Chatwood.
Bullpen is not a disaster with Wick, Wieck, Kimbrel, Ryan…. And they have a bunch of AAA/ AAAA arms that can and will develop. Bullpen arms are usually ones that pop up out of nowhere or reclamation projects.
For as much as people think they know on this site, they know nothing about baseball and longevity of a team being competative. I do not want to be what the Phillies were for the last 4 years of Howards contract. That is just 1 example.
Lol people think we Boston fans are insufferable from all the success we’ve enjoyed in the 2000’s, look at all these whiner Cubs fans.
At long last they got the one thing they’ve always wanted and hardly 3 years later they want everyone’s heads for *only* going 271-216 since. Get a f-ing grip you babies.
Whiney cub fan!
So strike three for JD unless trade for Bryant, Bell and Marte or DSmith and Lowrie in the works. Way to disappoint the fans again JD.
When you say JD, who are you referring to?
Never mind, it’s Jon Daniels.
Rangers GM.
John Dorian from Scubs, probably.
Rangers GM
Rangers do not have the ammo to get both Marte and Bell, if Bell is even available
He wasn’t a great fit, I’m glad the rangers didn’t sign him.
Castellanos can rake. He is a good fit with any team that does not have a RF only type player better than him offensively. Or a DH for an American League team.
They should have signed Castellanos. Bryant led the Cubs in errors with 15 and hit .284. Castellanos hit over .300 and han no errors when with the cubs. Why would anyone really want whiny (I can’t get our of Chicago fast enough) Bryant? The Cubs fans don’t.
I’ve been wishing for us to get Josh Bell since the begining, he would be a great power bat in that lineup, (plus he’s a switch hitter). And if we got Marte with that, that would be the cherry on top. Our lineup would look like so,
Choo
Andrus
Marte
Bell
Gallo
Calhoun
Odor / Solak (pls Solak)
Frazier
Chirinos
Why would they get josh bell. And they’re not getting marte anymore
Will put up mvp numbers in that park. Reds are going to be tough
The Cubs just got throat punched…They had their fans convinced that Castellanos would be signed after the Bryant case was resolved. Kudos to the Reds…one way to win your division is to sign the players that can beat you in your own division.
That is what Arte thought when he signed Hamilton away from the Rangers…didn’t work for them…
i dont think anyone was “convinced” about anything related to the Bryant grievance.
It’s only a 4 year contract. The Cubs should be able to sign Castellanos as soon as Bryant’s case is resolved.
Now that is darn funny. Well played. Actually I predicted last week that within 24 hours of Castellanos signing somewhere that the Bryant Grievance would be resolved. I might have said within 30 minutes of the signing but I’ll give myself a day. It would be so fitting that just as the last free agents go off the board and teams like the Braves and Twins no longer have a spot for him that suddenly the KB thing would clear up. This Grievance process is one of the most embarrassingly slow things I’ve ever seen played out.
I don’t believe the Cubs ever implied that would happen. You can’t expect a free agent to wait around thinking maybe you will have money to spend.
Cubs tried that with Heyward,,,,,aside from 1 extra inning speech….i dont think theyd do that trade again
All the cubs ownership needed to do was open up their checkbooks and take a few tax threshold penalties and re-sign castellanos. that’s it.
“A few tax threshold penalties” isn’t just loose change from your sofa cushions. Teams are not bottomless pits of dollars.
The tax hit for NC would have been less than 5M bucks for the cubs.
They are lying to fans claiming the tax is an impediment. Owners are simply cheap, and the Cubs owners are extra cheap because they were caught doing shady things during Wrigley construction, got caught+ sued, and now project 2x expected costs+ not done
Tax? Has zip to do with an inability to pay a tax
It is not your money. Would you spend it and lose 5-6 million in the process? Is Castellanos that good?
Led the league in doubles, to start
with a 2.7 WAR is he worth going over the tax and not being able to sign Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Schwarber, Contreras to extentions? (not all will sign them, but at least 2-3 will) with Castellanos, there would not be enough money to sign these guys.
Sofa Cushions is my chubby neighbor’s adult film name.
Is your neighbor a he or she?
nobody who knows anything about baseball ever thought yhat the Cubs were going to sign Castellanos.
That is a very “Monday morning quarterbacking” type of comment. If Bryant’s Arbitration case ended in December, he could have been traded or given the Cubs clarity on the future to potentially making a move. They weren’t “out” until today.
You are dreaming. No way the Ricketts.were going to pony up for 4/64 for Castellanos. Have you not been listening to.literally every thing that has been said and written a out the Cubs offseason efforts?
Except Epstein who said “we love Nick”
Predict next move…Reds obtain Nick Ahmed from the Dbacks, the best defensive SS in baseball, for Galvis and Senzel.
Hahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaa
Air
Hahahahaha haha
Where do I begin? Best defensive shortstop in baseball? Hahaha
He was barely above replacement level per fangraphs. You’re not getting Senzel. You’re drunk. Go home, don’t pass Go
Lol nick Ahmed isnt close to the best defensive ss in baseball he barely makes the top 10. Obviously best is javy Baez and it’s not really close.
You heard of Simmons?
You’re right that it’s not close, but it’s Simmons, who may be the greatest SS in baseball history.
Simmons?…..who?
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What about sending Senzel plus India and others for Lindor? Cleveland has to trade the guy at some point, and Cincinnati has an outfield jam
A trade for Lindor is exactly
Why I think is next on the red wish list
I believe the same. I think the Lindor deal will be done in next 5 days if not sooner. Everyone forgets that last year everyone instantly returned their seats to the upright position in a split second when the unexpected Puig/Dodgers 3 player trade was announced. Buckle up naw and be ready!
I feel like if it was as easy as sending Senzel, and they were cool with that, it would have happened by now. Maybe Aquino and Lodolo or Greene for Seager.
Ahmed is basically Galvis.
Ahmed 4.5 WAR. Galvis 1.6. Ahmed GG 2018 & 2019. Where do you come up with they are the same?
Seems like a lot for Ahmed
Props to the reds for going for it, even after one attempt blew up in their face (Dodger trade, they got fleeced)
NLC should have some fun games
Uhm, they got Homer Bailey out of Cincy. There was no fleecing.
And Puig brought Bauer
Trammell brought a year and a half of Bauer.
They traded Puig for Bauer. plus still have Farmer. The big dissappointment in that trade was that they got nothing out of Alex Wood.
Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray have infinitely more value than a half season of Puig did. Either Downs or Gray could’ve gotten gotten Bauer. That’s stupid to think that “Puig got Bauer.” When that clearly wasn’t the case. Trammell got Bauer. They lost that Dodgers trade by a mile and a half.
The tigers offered him 3 years 15 per year before last season. He said he was offended by that offer seems like he couldn’t do much better on the open market……. always liked nick hope he can put up some numbers in that park.
He got an extra plus more money…. this a lot better than that offer. If the a tigers add an extra year it would’ve been something like 4 years for 12 or 13 million per year based on what you said they offered.
He publicly came out and confirmed that he has never received any extension offers from the Tigers after stating multiple times he’d love to stay in Detroit (for some reason). The tigers did for 2 years publicly try to trade him though.
He wasn’t extended by Detroit because tigers GM Al Avila is a clueless clown.
EXACTLY!
No one chooses Boras as an agent and “wants to stay in Detroit”
Nice job, Castellanos! I will be watching the Reds closely this year. I hope they do well
If Senzel plays short, that is a lethal lineup. Their only real weakness would be defense. They look like a definite wild card to me, if not a division champ.
It’s as likely that Barry Larkin will find the fountain of youth and come out of retirement.
Your right, Senzel prob could play SS as well as CF
Let’s see what he can learn fully focused on his outfield defense. I would hope he had been working out all winter and will get a lot attention this spring. His defense can be improved. From what I’ve read his issues come from reading the ball in flight laterally. Play a little deeper and take a few thousand fly balls over the next two and a half months, Nick.
A good coach, lots of reps, studying hitters, learning his new pitchers, having a smart center fielder talking to him, being positioned properly – if all these things don’t make him an average outfielder, then make sure you have a solid 4th for defense. Would you rather have 650 at bats or 10 misplayed balls that probably have no effect in the game’s outcome?
Good signing for the Reds. This should lead to one or two more trades of outfielders to fill needs or prospects. Does Winker still have options?
Do you feel he didn’t focus fully on his defense BEFORE becoming a free agent? If that’s the case, good luck getting him to focus after paying him.
Seriously, though, having watched Nick his entire career in Detroit, focusing on his defense is why he has shown improvement. He works at his craft and has improved in the field and at the plate. I can see him becoming an average OF. As the Cubs found, he can carry a team.
Can we not reply to our comments now? Why did they remove that? Trying to reply back to someone who replied to my comment
Can’t do that.
This feels like there is definitely a trade looming. You could field a whole team with their outfielders. Maaaan, and I just got Aquinos autograph last week. So long Punisher. It was nice knowing you.
Yeah, Aquinos had an excellent start but he’s like Yordan Alvarez he’s a DH
Aquino plays very strong right field defense. Cannon for an arm. In no way should he be restricted to DH.
Lol, I guess you didn’t watch Aquino play. He’s got enough speed for CF and a cannon
Still won’t put them Into contention
Why not?
I think I picked almost every hitter except Castellanos and Moustakas to sign with the Reds…
Nice work by the Reds. Now let’s try to trade Nick Senzel, Phil Erwin, Freddy Galvis,, Tyler Mahle, Jameson Hannah(10), Vladimier Gutierrez(11) and Scott Schebler for Indians shortstop Lindor. That’s seven players for Lindor and maybe Luis Oviedo(14) from the Indians.
Then try to rework his contract for 3 years 2o million per year.
You can try, but you will not get Lindor for Senzel and table scraps. Also Lindor would never sign that contract extension as he will make much more money in his last year of arbitration and first year of free agency.
Senzel is enough to make a deal for Lindor. Senzel and Mahle are an overpay. But yes the rest of those players don’t factor into the decision
Large overpay for two years of Lindor
Reds are not getting Lindor straight up for Senzel and Mahle adds little to help get the trade done.
@ChiSox_Fan. I cant upvote replies either but thanks for letting me know
Don’t enjoy him too much Reds fans. If he has a good year next year he’ll likely opt out. Seems like a one year, four year contract to me.
Big Red Machine 2.0! Tigers might end up trading the Reds for an outfielder Congrats Nick!
Yes I can definitely see the Tigers trying to get Winkler or Schebler on the cheap from Cinci.
Once again, Boras showed why he’s the best. Got Castellanos his money. He clearly showed the Reds how NC could help them. His defense will not be as big a liability in Cinci as it clearly was in Detroit. He will hit 30 HR’s and could top 40 in that ballpark. In fact, playing in the NL is also the better league for him. Now his next contract will be even bigger.
He sucked in Detroit was a club house cancer
You have him confused with Al Avila.
Braves may be interested in a deal offering a young mlb starter (Wilson, Toussaint, Newcomb, Wright) for Senzel.
Would be an interesting scenario
Why would Reds trade for a young starter? Short stop and bull pen are their needs
RIP Kobe
Reds will not trade Senzel for a young starter, if they are trading him it’s for something they need, a SS or catcher or both
Are you kidding the reds are trading Aquino. Not a chance after what he did last season. See ya Nick. Aquino is staying put in Cinci
Can Arenado play SS? Give them Senzel and the farm.
If the Reds could get a decent return an Aquino, I think now is the time. In my opinion, his value will never be higher
agreed.
Highly agree.
Wow. Good for him. Better deal than I expected for him
Finally, time to move Senzel to 2B, Moose to 3rd, and Suarez to SS. That would make the lineup look like this…
C-Tucker Barnhart
1B-Joey Votto
2B-Nick Senzel
3B-Mike Moustakas
SS-Eugenio Suarez
LF-Nicholas Castellanos
CF-Shogo Akiyama
RF-Aristides Aquino
Like one of my teachers say, FLAWLESS
Castellanos and Aquino in the corners…Woof.
Better Hope Akiyama can cover the entire OF.
Aquino can cover ground, don’t get where you came up with that
Suarez is too big now for SS
They’re both RF’ers for one thing. Both’s only real defensive asset is a solid arm. Moving Castellanos to LF is a bad idea. If anything I believe Aquino would be the better of the two for LF.
If they hit a bunch of HR’s I guess the reds are hoping that’ll make up for the liability. Which it may. Winker has a JV arm and Akiyama is a real CF so it might not be any worse than it was last season.
Those he has proven to be able to hit the last few years. He should have went to an al team.
Nick will put up nice numbers in Cinci for sure…and the 2 opt outs are bonus for him…Would not be suprised to see him as an all-star this year…. as for the division the first team to 90 wins takes it….but it wont be cinci….they still look like around a 85 win team but the central is not a powerful division….so who knows. Good luck Nick at least your not playing for the Tigers anymore….
There are 4 teams in the division who could win 85, so their win totals will be held in check by having to play each other so much. A 90-win team in that division could be better than a 98-win team in the AL Central.
My Rangers are out here dropping the ball on big name guys right now. I just hope that once the Bryant grievance is settled, we will trade for him (hopefully he’d settle for two years).
This I think is what Daniels has been waiting on. Bryant makes since in that depending on greivance outcome you know you have two years hopefully so you arrange trade for two years. If they went Arrenado you don’t know if you get 2 or 7, much harder to determine value. If Bryant trade doesn’t develop hope one for JBell or for Mancini works out. Perhaps Inciarte and Camargo or Duvall from Braves. Smith and Lowrie provides a back up SS but not sure Smith is upgrade over Guzman. Unlikely because we don’t have tradeable SS but Senzel for CF and Aquino or Winker for LF would be palatable depending on trade pieces required for deal.
Senzel, India and Aquino for Lindor. Might actually make the Reds division favorites, no? Of course they’d be pushing their chips all the way in for short-term success.
Wow — that’d get the deal done. Lots and lots of talent for 2 years of a superstar.
I still don’t think that gets it done. India’s star faded a bit last year and Aquino was a flash in the pan. I’d think to get the Indians to listen you start with Senzel, Lodolo and Winker… and prob more. Take a look at trades for other similar players in the past… the price is going to be almost unfathomably steep.
To put this signing into perspective: Ozuna is 1 year older and amassed 215 more plate appearances (PAs) than Castellanos, yet Ozuna has 12.4 more career WAR than Castellanos.
And Castellanos just got $46M more than Ozuna. Also note: Castellanos didn’t have a compensatory draft pick tied to him like Ozuna did. Either way — good job, AA.
Congrats to the Reds and their fans. Everyone else in the division is asleep.
A little more than I thought he’d get, given how his market has shrunk, but solid pickup for the Reds. Now they need to trade Senzel. Very good off-season fit Cincy.
cvbs fans are so delusional is sad. Castellanos, Hamels and Strop are gone. They don’t have a center fielder or a quality leadoff hitter. Lester is over the hill. Their bullpen is terrible. They’re starting the season with a minor leaguer at second base. Kris Bryant’s grievance still lingers like a bathroom stench over the entire organization. And they have a rookie manager who thinks getting in young player’s faces is the way to motivate them. Epstein’s hands have been tied up by an ownership more focused on revenue and growing equity than winning. It’s all a perfect storm for disaster. The Cardinals and Reds are the class of the division unless the cvbs pull off a series of trades that give them immediate big league talent in return. Until then, they’re just a 76-78 win team.
*below .500 if any starters get hurt
How much do the cubs pay you for the rent in your head
Cubs have no money, they are definitely living there rent-free.
Lol they’re squatting
Cards and brewers have both lost some of their best players too while reds are stock piling credible talent. Reds are clear favorites
The Cards lost Ozuna. Not a big deal with their prospects coming up.
Why is the bullpen terrible, the ones that killed the pen last year were Strop and Chisek.
I doubt that Hoerner starts, but how is that any different than what the ChiSox are doing with putting top 100 prospects on the MLB team? lol
Where did you see that about Ross? What a reach by you.
Cards have not done much this offseason and traded away 2 good OF pieces and are relying on prospects, kind of like the Cubs are doing at 2nd base.
Descalso, will also see time and cannot go anywhere but up.
Ian Happ will be a breakout star, you heard it here first. The guy is ready to make a name for himself. He will be the leadoff and CF guy.
lol
Whiney cub fan dreaming about “breakout” Ian happ lol that’s funny. Cub fans have become very amusing since they decided to fall sleep in 2016.
MLBTR needs to let the Reds know the National League doesn’t have a DH.
I’m happy for Castellanos. He goes to a team that should do well. He goes to a hitters park. He’s got some professional hitters around him. He should do well.
Castellanos has a chance to put up some big numbers in that ballpark. OF defense improved in 2019 from 2018, his first full year. Strong throwing arm in RF which makes up for the range. Wish the Blue Jays went after him. Would have given him a 5-year deal.
He improved from really, really bad, to really bad.
Ladies and Gentleman, your new Cub killer, Nick the Stick Castellanos.
If I’m a rebuilding team- I’m after Aquino. He’s got 40+ homer potential no doubt and that could happen this season in the right setting. Doubt the asking price is that high.
I’d say take what you can get for Aquino. He was never even a top 5 prospect in the Reds system. He was always known as a one trick pony and he got hot when called up last year. He has traditionally struggled in the minors. Reminds me of a modern day Willy Mo Pena.
Reds are stacked
Gotta hand it to Boras once again. He netted his boy at least $64 million. If Nicky has a big season, he can go back out to the market. If not, cash your $64 million. Same thing after the 2021 season. Heads he wins, tails he wins.
At this point reds will most likely roll out w Galvis at short and give him 1/2 a season to Keep his spot due to payroll and his successes. If he can’t produce and A’s and/or Rockies falter then Simeon and story come into play and obviously lindor too as Cleveland will not keep up w twins. And if Phili falters than realmuto May also come into play. Regardless for first time in long time- reds are in the drivers seat
Former Cubs fan here. Hope Reds and Nick beat the doors off Cubs. Congrats Cincy, you spent some money and team is better these last couple off seasons. Cubs and Red Sox should pay attention.
Former fan…… what a joke, more like never a fan LOL
Not really. I’ve been a Cubs fan for 70 years and I’m FINISHED.
No you’re not.
It’s great to see the Cubs looking up at both the Cards & Reds!
I think you can officially stick a fork in the Cubs! They deserve it!
I’d love to see Puig in Chicago. What a great match that would be.
Puig reminds me off how most cubs are. Overrated and cocky.
Last big free agent signed now they can announce the arb case lol
This is really surprising to me. I expected his total contract to drop after Ozuna’s signing. Heck of a deal for Castellanos, especially from an NL team.
Good for him and his opt-out for both years. He’s going to fit in good there but if he sustains even 90% of his 2nd half 2019 performance I cannot imagine anything but an opt-out situation.
I look forward to him returning to Wrigley (at least the first at-bat! :))
It’s crazy that Nick Senzel is now possibly available. Reds have been so high on this guy and now ready to pass him off. They should just let Senzel play 2B and watch him mature into a solid player. Guy has seen so much position change from the Red organization that he probably thinks he plays for the Pirates. Coming from a Pirates fan, trading off Nick would be a bad idea. The guy can be one of the cornerstone pieces of the Reds.
Wow I believe the Reds for what they’ve done this off season are the clear Gavin the Central Division
he is going to be great for the red, the same way is yelich for the brewers.a pain for my cards.
SENZEL to SS with a year to learn while Galvis is around? Back to OF if Castellanos opts out after 2020…
I doubt Castellanos it’s out after 2020 or 2021. While there was interest in him, it didn’t seem like any other teams were willing to go to this price range. The only reason I’d see him opting out for is to maybe try to return to the Cubs, but they still may not be willing to spend for him next offseason either. Even though they’ll have money off the books, they’ll also have more holes to fill with the money they’ve tried to save. The reds just need to hope he performs because they’re likely stuck with him for the entirety of this contract.
The man hit 50 doubles into the power alleys of Comerica. Watch that turn into 50 bombs and see the complaints about his “atrocious defense” fade away…
But his defense is not atrocious. He was right at league average playing RF in Wrigley. That is a tough ballpark to play the position.
I think you missed what they were implying by “atrocious defense” being in quotations. They weren’t agreeing with the sentiment, they were saying that those who always speak of it will be quieted by his offensive production.
You haven’t watched him play defense much.
Guess the Reds weren’t scared away by all the rumors of bad defense…..see, it just proves that if you can hit, you’ll have a job in todays major leagues.
@Hard to walk with four balls – even minus his time spent at 3B (which was a horror show), he has over 2,600 innings in the outfield of bad defense, and that doesn’t change whether you like it or not. Even in his sample size in Chicago, where his defensive supporters are touting the “turnaround” – he grades out poorly in nearly every metric. This isn’t including the eye test, where he arguably looked bad too.
And saying “his arm is above average” doesn’t make it true. He can throw, but that doesn’t mean he throws effectively. Just like he can run – it doesn’t mean he can run effectively, which is why his range and his baserunning have graded dreadully his entire career.
Add into that, it’s been proven that defense has a sharper ageing curve than offense, and it does not paint a rosy picture. Bottom line is, he’s a bad outfielder who is probably still going to be bad. No matter how many tantrums you throw over it.
Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Don’t measure others by your limitations.
His defense is atrocious – playing passable D for 300 innings in Chicago, doesn’t undo 7,000 innings of horrible defense in his career.
I understand certain people want to be positive about things, but there’s being positive, and being blind. Pretending Nick C is anything but dreadful with a glove, is blind.
Cam that is nonsense. Nick came up as a 3rd baseman, the Tigers worked on making him into an OF. His arm is above average and his defense stats have been trending upwards. You’re opinion is garbage.
Red go all in to try and get Votto a ring.
I think everyone who was on here yesterday complaining about clickbait articles and fake news should be apologizing profusely. You look foolish.
The Reds are now in position to win the division. We have the bats, arms & D. I think/hope they are not done yet. SS is where I believe they are looking, Seager would be nice, LA has Lux and Galvis could be included in a deal including Senzel +.. Though Story or Lindor of course would fit well. Holt could be signed too. Could also use a backstop and bullpen arms. If a top SS is dealt for watch out, we’ll contend for the Series. Good time to be a Red’s fan. ….and fwiw Senzel will not play short or he’d already been there., Williams said couple weeks ago that he won’t because of comin off shoulder surgery and because they and others don’t see him as a fit for SS. Ain’t happennin’. See Redleg Nation..
I think they start the season with Galvis, but I would agree they are the borderline division favorite on paper. The Cards, Cubs, and Brewers are close enough that anything could happen. My pick would be 1.Reds
2.Cards
3.Cubs
4. Brew Crew
Cincinnati’s roster configuration is going to be interesting heading into ST. Something’s definitely going to have to give in that outfield — as in one player must be traded.
Trade Aquino and Senzel to the Cardinals
hmmm trading within the division.. sound strategy, sound strategy
Sad day for Cubs fans.
I’m a Cubs fan and I’m happy for Mr Nick. He apparently wasn’t going to get a reasonable offer from Theo and company. Who knows what the Cubs front office plan is exactly at this point? An outfield of Schwarber, Heyward and Happ, apparently. That doesn’t concern me as much as not addressing the lack of a leadoff hitter and not swapping out one of the rotation “pieces” with an upgrade. Trading Bryant for a quality younger lefthander and whatever else they could get and then moving Quintana for prospects would at least address trying to improve the rotation, get younger and get them under the luxury tax threshold. The Bryant grievance ruling may come down in the next several days and still the front office may do nothing!?! Hard to believe they are going to waste more prime years of Baez, Rizzo, Schwarber, etc by not trying to address obvious needs.
Giants should have been all over this. Clearly tanking for the picks.
How do you know the Giants were not all over it but Nick picked the Reds
Why would the Giants want another opt out provision contract? They’re a long shot wildcard team that would be assuming another Cueto type risk.. and this time with no serious playoff aspirations to risk it for.
I can see many teams lining up to see how they could acquire Senzel and/or Aquino.
Aquino hit 19 homeruns in very little playing time. To trade him or send him down to AAA would be a not so great move. Dude has raw power
He’ll always be Nicholas to me.
“Hi you can call me Drew.” — Andrew “Drew” Bernard
That is just god awful. If he gets injured or plays poorly they’re on the hook for another 3 years and over 50 million dollars. Assuming this risk gains the Reds 1 year of his services at market value? If he plays particularly well he opts out while still young and picks up a better contract…. so best case scenario they get a market value player in a slot that’s relatively easy to fill (quality hitter, defensive liability), worst case scenario they basically throw away 64 million dollars. I don’t see the upside to this kind of contract, Boras wins again.
Exactly. That opt out is odd. It doesn’t look like they got a discount, so they’re giving up control of the situation for… what? They should have at least gone 2 years before the opt out. If they trade Senzel and lose Castellano to an opt out, this would end up very poorly for them.
This is solid for my MLB The Show team… well done Reds!!!
yup makes no sense for Reds, not like they even had to include any of these conditions for him given the player and market. Best case would be 1 great year and he opts out.
Congratulations to Scott Boras for proving the truth of the adage ‘There’s one born every minute’. Completely stupid contract. The opt-outs make it moronic.
Not sure I agree… Ozuna just signed for a 1 year deal @ 18 million dollars with a qualifying offer. An argument can be made Castellanos is a better & if he ops out it means he raked @ GABP & the Reds got him for 1 year @ 16 million dollars with no qualifying offer plus if he does opt out the Reds can make him a qualifying offer and get draft pick compensation. The only way this doesn’t work is if he gets hurt or completely drops off, which is basically the same risk you take with all free agent signings
If he opts out, the Reds can give him a QO. They get a quality player at a decent price with draft choice compensation. What have the Reds lost?
Dead wrong. If Castellanos opts out then Reds got a VERY good year out of Castellanos plus they will get a Round A Comp Balance pick. That’s a pretty good investment of $16M
If the Reds can flip some of those 1 run losses into wins with these adds then they aren’t all that far away.
The Reds can buy as many DHs as they please. But they’re still a second-tier, small-market organization playing in a AAA ballpark. My, have the once mighty fallen…
Nice photoshop job. He’ll be wearing #2