The Reds came into the winter ripe for an upgrade at shortstop, but they haven’t done much at the position thus far. The club’s biggest move there has been picking up light-hitting veteran Freddy Galvis’ $5.5MM option. As things stand, Galvis is slated to enter 2020 as the Reds’ starter at short, though they have their sights set on a much more notable option. Cincinnati has “shown interest in” the Dodgers’ Corey Seager throughout the offseason, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes (subscription link).
There is no indication the Dodgers are about to trade Seager, nor is it clear what the Reds would be willing to give up for him. No doubt, though, he’d cost a significant amount in assets. Seager, who debuted in 2015, won NL Rookie of the Year honors the next season, has earned a pair of All-Star nods, and has established himself as one of the game’s most well-rounded shortstops. While the past two seasons were injury-truncated campaigns for Seager, the 25-year-old nonetheless put up 3.3 fWAR and hit .272/.335/.483 with 19 home runs across 541 plate appearances in 2019.
Any team acquiring Seager would be getting a player with two arbitration-eligible seasons left, not to mention someone who’s projected to rake in a more-than-reasonable $7.1MM in 2020. The Dodgers – despite a fairly quiet offseason so far – continue to have the makings of an elite team, so there’s no pressure on their part to give up Seager. That said, dealing Seager would bring back a valuable return that could help LA in another area, and it would free up short for super-prospect Gavin Lux or, in a less probable scenario, the Indians’ Francisco Lindor. The Dodgers have shown interest in Lindor, but if we’re to believe Indians brass, it’s unlikely he’ll change homes prior to the season.
I like it
Like it don’t LOVE it
I’m in lust
The only way the Reds should trade what the Dodgers are going to want for Seager would be to also reach an extension with him. Too much to give up for just two years.
How can you say it is too much if you don’t know the cost? And what if one of those two years brought a WS title? The Reds have a potentially very strong team with just a few glaring holes. Getting someone like Seager will easily fill one of those holes. They need to find a shortstop soon and then start working on finding a couple of reliable bullpen arms.
Why not open season with Senzel at short, see how it goes. potentially better than anyone on market besides Lindor. Barry Larkin quoted that he thought Senzel could play shortstop. leaves outfield with Winker/Ervin, Akiyama and Aquino/
I thought Suarez to SS (his natural position), Moose to 3B (his natural position), and Senzel to 2B (his natural position) makes more sense than anything out there. Galvis then becomes a nice utility guy, which suits him best anyway. Senzel needs to play 2B everyday for the rest of his career. He’s much more valuable to us playing there.
So he’s never really played short but you say he’s potentially better than anyone one on the market besides Lindor? Did you think about that before you typed it?
Senzel’s natural position is actually 3B.
He has bigger, and no longer has the range.
That ship has sailed.
I think Senzel is going to be used as a potential piece to a trade. Now if they went for See her or Lindor they would need more than Senzel, possibly a prospect or draft pick.
I like the idea of Senzel going back to the infield, unfortunately I can’t see Suarez saving too many runs at SS. Dare I say, if Votto continues his decline, move Suarez over to 1st, Moose to 3rd, Senzel to 2nd. Doesn’t solve the SS problem, but makes the outfield less crowded for Akiyama.
Your right but the reds are not moving Suarez from 3rd . And at this time in his career don’t think he would move to SS
Your right but the reds are not moving Suarez from 3rd . And at this time in his career don’t think he would move to SS , senzel is a good ball player but , I don’t think he will play 100 games a year do to he get hurts , right now I would trade senzel, winker mahle for a good SS or a OF , but this are the reds , you never know what they have plan
They shouldn’t as Senzel is 5 years from arbitration
I know you didn’t mention Seager in your post but I don’t see the Dodgers taking Winker in any deal unless it’s to flip him
I disagree. The division is gettable in the next two years. Go for it before the Cubs stop investing in Wrigleyville and television networks and get interested in the on the field product again. Cubs are giving you a window so seize the moment.
Seager is getting 7.6 this coming season
This just in, Tokyo Giants have interest in Aaron Judge. Come on man, bring up actual trade rumors. Just because they asked about Corey doesn’t mean they’ll make a move. I’m sure they asked about May, Lux and Verdugo too. Plus they have no one to trade that LA wants. What is LA doing about their starting rotation? Who’s actually on their trade block? What about their large abundance of outfielders?
MLB Trade……….wait for it………Rumors…
You need to look in the mirror man. You literally just said a rumor wasn’t rumor-y enough for you.
#rumoraddict
Funniest post I’ve seen on here in awhile. Love it. People like this and grammar trolls
Has the definition of rumor changed?
ru·mor
/ˈro͞omər/
noun
a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.
Yeah, pretty lazy article used for clicks.
i agree, but actually Seager has been a hot stove discussion with Reds fans from the beginning this year.
Do you work for the Dodgers?
I guess not. you have no idea (nor do I), what they would take.
Seager is also injury prone.
I would not up too much.
It’s seems like every year the Dodgers stockpiles pitchers but they still have trouble! Maybe a signal they should get rid of their pitching coaches
Where you hear that about Judge? There is no breaking news about that nowhere and if true it would have been all over here and other sports media! More fake news!!!
yeah, and i have interest in making a multi-billion dollar company.
Seager’s going to Seattle to pair with his brother, that’s such a Mariners move. They’ll probably give up Kelenic plus way more than you’d think for him too, lol.
Glue sniffing when typing.does not work well.
Yeah you might.forget how punctuation works.
Cut it out with Francisco Lindor…….
Please.
It’s as tiring as reading about Donaldson.
If the Indians and Dodgers or Indians and Reds were going to make a trade, it would either be done by now, or well on its way.
Find a new made-up scenario to push on people.
Sometimes you just have to throw a rumor log on the rumor fire, I guess
Yes…..
For the thousandth’s time because you have nothing of substance to write.
There’s a very real scenario where the Dodgers cave on giving away Lux and this becomes a three way trade where both Lindor and Seager end up traded. Not saying it will happen but to act like it’s impossible is naive. There’s so many moving parts in these things. It doesn’t always happen fast, but sometimes it comes out of nowhere.
“Ugh I can’t believe I was forced to read another clearly titled article. When will this madness end?”
Agreed ….Lindor rumors are getting to be more and more like the Antonio Brown saga
i also want a mclaren senna!
I want a bowl of ice cream.
me too! but i want the whole bucket to myself!
Then get your Rollie pollie arse to the grocery store and buy a gallon of ice cream. Get your sprinkles too, fat boy!
Hahahaha
You have an expensive taste. It’s no F1 but shes pretty. The red and white race car or different?
i was a former low level racer and senna was my hero.
25 year remembrance was last year I believe. Ayrton was a hell of a driver. Fan of Schumacher myself. Nice to see F1 fans in here.
Indycar
Hmmmm. Won the Formula One World Championship is 88, 90 and 91. Still going with Formula 1 thanks tho.
Easy
Reds get Corey Seager, Bo Naylor
Dodgers get Francisco Lindor
Indians get Keibert Ruiz, Jonathan India, Mitchell White, Edwin Rios, Stuart Fairchild
Thats nice and all but its going to take one of their starters at bare minimum to get the starting SS from the most win now team in the leauge (tied with the Yankees).
No it wouldn’t. Dodgers have plenty of options for starting pitching. Dodgers would take the best package available from the reds no matter who’s included, starting pitching or not. They have the luxury of putting lux at ss and muncy at 2B if they do trade Seager.
The dodgers would prefer relief pitching before starting pitching as that has been their Achilles heel last couple seasons.
Kershaw Maeda Stripling Gonslin May Buehler Urias. Some are gonna end up in the pen but they could stand to add a big arm or two.
Fun trade idea: Marcus Semien for Sonny Gray straight up with Oakland taking on the whole contract.
Fairly reasonable trade proposal but I think Oakland is excited to go with a young, inexpensive SP staff this year (now that they are finally healthy) and see if they can develop all of them. I can’t see them taking on Gray’s full contract given their payroll constraints. If they can’t lock up Semien to a palatable contract, he’ll be the next star Oakland player to be traded for a package of cheaper players (think Donaldson to Toronto).
Why in the world would the Reds give up the extremely team friendly contract they have with Sonny Gray? They have him signed for 3/$35M or 4/$43M including the 4th year option. For 1 year of Marcus Semien, I doubt they’d even make the effort to laugh at Oakland. For Sonny Gray plus Joey Votto’s contract maybe Cincinnati would listen.
Only way Seager is going to the Reds is in so sort of 3 way deal with the Dodgers getting Lindor, Betts or Hader In like a 10 player blockbuster deal. If anyone can pull off some sort of trade like this it would be the Dodgers front office.
Name the last time the Dodgers FO pulled off a “blockbuster deal.”
This FO has made a few: Machado and Darvish at the deadline or the original Adrian Gonzalez megatrade are a few examples.
They don’t make headlines just to make headlines, though: All of those trades addressed a specific roster weakness at an acceptable cost that did not detract from the current product on the field.
I wouldn’t call Machado or Darvish blockbuster trades. They were both for rentals, a couple of months for a handful of mostly unimportant prospects. The Gonzales trade surely was, but it didn’t happen on this FO’s watch.
They make some big trades, but seem unimportant at the time. Kemp trade, and joining in on the frazier trade and doing the puig trade for prospects was good
The Kemp deal was really just a bad contract swap. Nobody expected him to even make the team let alone play up to a last hurrah for a few months. It was almost entirely about money, so nothing blockbuster about that trade. I don’t understand the assumption that this FO is always coming up with masterful, team-altering trades, when in reality, they never have. Their trades are almost invariably about juggling the books and nibbling around the edges.
This is old news. The Dodgers were considering moving Seager as a part of a package for Lindor or Betts, and the Reds were trying to be the third team, trying to land Seager for prospects while the Dodgers got Lindor or Betts.
Dodgers don’t trade Seager unless they get Lindor, right? Or is clearing the way for Lux and exploiting the Reds’ position a Friedman move? I dunno. Just asking.
This makes more sense than anything else written about the Dodgers since the 2019 season ended. Obviously Gerrit Cole was the uber move they needed to make yet almost nothing was written about the Dodgers in this regard because the word was out that the Yankees wanted Cole.
This is a good move for the Dodgers to recharge their healthy farm and make it superior.
Reds in case you have not noticed don’t really have rumors that pan out as front office don’t leak info… My guess is Reds are not even trying to get Lindor or Seager.. If anything it will be a shocker like Story and no not saying story will be a Red just using an example
Huh
why would the reds want seager with 19 home runs last year when they already have galvis who hit twenty-three?
Seriously? Lifetime numbers-
Galvis-.248/.291/.675
Seager-.294/.362/.853
Do you notice a slight difference tim1954? Besides which Seager is much younger.
Baseball, Agree w it or not, is a what have u done for me lately league.
Galvis spent last season playing in one of the greatest launching pads in the game
Front offices are smart enough to realize that he won’t hit like that away from Great American Small Park.
People know how park factors on offense work. Galvis also didn’t manage to even reach a .300 on base percentage, which is just hideously bad. Seager has a career OBP of .362.
Freddy Galvis wouldn’t make the Dodgers’ 25 man roster. If they took him in a trade, they would literally release him.
Galvis didn’t spend last season in Cincy, unless you consider 116 PAs to be a “season”. Spent most of the year in Toronto, where he hit 18 of his 23 HRs in his 473 PAs.
Ahh yes, that’s right, I forgot he was a new signing.
Doesn’t change the reality that he put up a 89 wRC+ while doing so; players who get on base under .300 are offensive liabilities.
That is really quite poor.
Seager is an enormously more valuable hitter than Galvis as he has always reached base at well-above average rates
Haha and toronto is a pitchers park?
its seager for just two years, isnt it? why trade a lot of young talent for 19 home runs for two years was my point. would seager’s presence lead the reds to a world series much more than galvis (and the talent traded away for him?)
Seager was hurt, and coming back from injury. To think the stats from the past two years reflect what he’ll do next season is really foolish
A menage a trois between CLE, CIN, and LA makes sense on different levels, but that doesn’t make it likely.
surely the Dodgers would insist on pitching in this deal. Thats really all they need.
I like how author refers to Galvis as “light hitting”. he had more total bases that Seager last year.
A man with an on-base percentage under .300 (both for the 2019 season and his career) is justifiably described as ‘light hitting’. That is pathetically bad.
Maybe the Jays can offer Bichette for Galvis and see if the Reds bite, yunno, since Galvis had double the total bases of Bichette last year.
Yeah, it’s cause galvis sucks and Seaver’s good
What makes most sense for reds is that they sign Ozuna and trade senzel for lindor. Seems like reds are the team balking at that trade while dodgers and padres didn’t even make a real offer to Indians for lindor. I see reds hanging onto their young talent so doubt it goes down for prospects w dodgers. Reds should value Greene and lodolo higher than senzel and their next two prospects are a C and a SS which are their two biggest position needs so doubt they would even consider moving either of them.
If dodgers need top notch relief help- Iglesias the closer could be a great fit. He had a bad mental year last year but was still throwing a 100 in September. Him and maybe India for seager. Reds can move mahle into a back end roll and move Amir Garrett to closer.
Cleveland would require Senzel & some one like Lux too in order to trade Lindor. In other words, the Reds don’t have enough quality prospects to trade for Lindor straight up. Lindor is a superstar; Senzel is an unproven prospect who barely got his feet wet last year. It’s just not going to happen unless they can find 2 more Top 50-60 MLB prospects (or young stud MLB players) to include in that deal.
Eventually Cleveland will require a comp pick for lindor bc they aren’t going to fork over 35 million a season for lindor. Today they can’t get senzel so they can hold out all til trade deadline if they want but that may not make a difference as u still need a buyer. Go into next offseason and you’re return will be equal to a comp A pick.
After the return for Kluber you think Indian fans would be a bit more rational but guess not
Lord Jesus! Les you make absolutely no sense. So the Reds, who happen to have made several additions to compete in 2020, are going to decimate their BP. WTF are you talking about? I don’t know if Iglesias had a “bad mental year last year”, but I think you’re having one now. I mean I’m an Indians fan and don’t really care, but that makes absolutely no sense.
I disagree on the bullpen part but agree with everything else. Starting SS I’ll take any day over a closer. Closers are only good if they get the chance to close on a reg basis (meaning, you have to get the lead first!). Iglesias was horrible last year and the Reds could use Amir Garrett in the role next year, sign or trade for BP depth, and have much better projections than they do now. SS, CF and C (and SP but not relevant for the point) are the most premium positions in baseball. If you can get a top 5 talent at one of those positions you do it if you are trying to contend for a WS. See Reds exploring options at SS, signing Shogo and pursuing Grandal heavily.
Cdav u butt hurt bruh bc I laughed at your beyond ridiculous trade offer ??
Does anyone smell the possibility of a three team trade? Those are pretty difficult to pull off but they do happen.
Calling a shortstop who hit .260 with 23 home runs last season “light hitting” makes me laugh. I remember the days of true “light hitting” middle infielders such as Eddie Brinkman, Johnnie Lemaster, Mike Tyson and a hundred more like them. Guys who had 10-15 year careers as starters and who now, even in their primes, wouldn’t even make a AAA roster. Just amazing how the game has changed.
Galvis was a poor player on offense last year, putting up a batting line that was almost 20% below league average after you account for his home park. While GABP inflated his power numbers, he continued to get on base at an embarrassingly bad rate, matching his career OBP on the south side of .300 (league average is .320). It is virtually impossible for a player with an OBP under .300 to provide even league average offense.
Galvis is not an asset at the plate and light hitting is an adequate description of his talent.
It is true that Eddie Brinkman and Johnnie LeMaster were even worse hitters than Galvis was, but Galvis was closer to their offensive production than he was to league average.
Players who reach base at a clip under .300 are not really viable starters on a MLB team unless they are catchers, where the offensive bar is so low that they can get by with fantastic defense.
Galvis had 47 plate appearances at Great American Ball Park. That really inflated his power numbers.
He hit a remarkable 2 HRs at GABP with a .642 OPS.
Oh, come on. Calling Mike Tyson light-hitting can’t just go unnoticed.
It’s hard for me to see the dodgers as willing to move seagers present value unless it led to them replacing that value by acquiring either a top of the rotation SP, a shutdown bullpen piece or an elite player along the lines of a Lindor or Betts…either thru a 3 way or multiple deals)
A 3 way with the Mets & reds for Thor.
A 3 way with the brewers & reds for hader.
Maybe a trade for Betts followed by a separate trade with the reds.
Etc etc
You get the point. Something along those lines.
In terms of the value I’d expect in return from the reds if it was a return value of just prospects…I guess my expectation would be something along the lines of Lodolo, India, Richardson & Siani.
Now…I’m obviously biased and I’m quite certain that reds fans will hate the thought of including Lodolo…but unless the reds were to include either a Lodolo, a Hunter greene or an Amir Garrett type of talent or value in the trade then I don’t really see why the dodgers would want to move seager but Im certainly willing to admit that I could be completely wrong.
i honestly cant see seager/lindor moving. I can see brewers trading hader for perhaps Will Smith (catcher)
People get that the gap between Seager and Lindor is like 1.5-2 wins right? for the same number of years of control?
The Dodgers aren’t going to trade Seager+multiple high value prospects for the pleasure of upgrading their shortstop production by a 2 wins for 2 seasons.
There’s a lot of heavy fantasizing going on here.
My question is the motivation to move Seager to the Reds or any team. You would have to imagine a trade would involve a 3 team swap where the Dodgers get Lindor or Betts (or similar players) and the Reds provide majority of the return to both teams in the trade. As a Reds fan this would be crazy awesome to see… but I see no reason for the Dodgers to give him up without equal or better MLB talent in return. Reds aren’t giving up mlb ready talent besides a mostly unproven Senzel, so something would have to give. Remind you Dodgers are pretty friggin good and haven’t won a WS is a long, long time. No reason to trade a perennial All Star talent for the heck of it.
Seager for castillo
No.
Better include about three more pieces with Seager. Castillo has maybe top 5 or 10 trade value in all of MLB. Four years of control, pre-arbitration salary.
Go get him!
Listened to a great interview with Dick Williams on WLW last night. He said they know Senzel can athletically play the SS position, but they won’t use him there because of it being the most taxing throw for an infielder to make, and he’s recovering from shoulder surgery.
Fan=Fanatic=overvalue of players and prospects on one’s favorite team.
There is no indication the Dodgers are about to trade Seager, nor is it clear what the Reds would be willing to give up for him……… Non News
I called this from the start. Seager is a young star (when not injured), doesn’t cost as much as Lindor, a possibility to sign long-term and may not cost you Senzel.
Winker, India, Santillian & Rasiel, for Seager and Josiah. Coming from the Red’s side it may be light, but I still can’t believe we gave up Josiah and Jeter Downs to shed Bailey last year. Understand the want to win, but man Josiah just started learning to pitch prior to being drafted.
Here’s a thought why not use Galvis at short, Moose at 2nd, and Suarez at 3rd. Senzel can play center.
The Reds signed Shogo Akiyama as their primary CF
I’ve read that there is no set position determined for him yet. But the Reds GM stayed in an article on MLB that he believes he can play all spots in the outfield and can give Senzel rest time and is a great piece to work with Aquino.
If lurking in wild car territory is the objective, it could be accomplished with that lineup you projected. Or we could still utilize that lineup on off days and compete by bettering the team. The idea is to excel where we struggled most.
Per WAR, Moose will help our worst position, 2B. Next obviously is SS and C, Galvis<Seager and Ty Steve may push his way up for a cameo yet this year. Would love for Jose Garcia to decimate Milb and arrive, but seems to be too many "ifs" involved to expect to win.
Honestly, not many catchers are available, especially at a lower cost $$ wise for the reds, to make a splash a la Seager. We should be able to add some salary per Krail's recent comments, Any candidates you see improving the Red's targeted window of the next two years?
here’s a rumor Alberto Mondesi to the Dodgers for 3 top prospects
Three-team deal incoming? Reds get Seager, Dodgers get Lindor, Indians get Senzel and prospects from the Dodgers.
I love Seager as a Dodger, but if it means getting Lindor, boy bye.
Just for fun, let’s hear some suggestions. Work out a trade where the Reds get Seager and the Dodgers get Suarez, since the Reds could move Moose to 3B. Remember Suarez’s deal is EXTREMELY team friendly for 6 years.
Bdonnell that would never happen for the reason you stated at the end of your comment.
No trade is even gonna happen or would I do this but India, Tyler Mahle, and Nick Lodolo would be a good fit. Mahle to help at the present and I’ve heard a lot of people say that Nick could be this year and a great left handed starter. But again no trade will happen.
I’ll add another crappy 3 team trade idea because it’s fun:
Indians get: Nick Senzel, Hunter Greene, Kiebert Ruiz and Jeter Downs
Dodgers get: Francisco Lindor, Triston McKenzie
Reds get: Corey Seager and Mitchell White
Indians get an elite prospect / recent pro, a top 50 prospect, a top 60 prospect and a top 100 prospect.
Dodgers get the best player int he trade plus a pitching prospect that’s one of the Indians top 3 prospects and top 80 overall..
Reds get a substantial upgrade at SS as well as a pitching prospect ranked in the Dodgers top 10.
Or to put it another way: Reds lose Senzel and Greene and gain Seager and White. Dodgers lose Seager, Ruiz, Downs and White and gain Lindor and McKenzie. Indians lose Lindor and Mckenzie and gain Senzel, Greene, Ruiz and Downs.
Alright, so who’s getting ripped off and why?
One of the better trade offers I’ve seen. I think the deal breaker might be on the Cleveland side, asking to include McKenzie in the deal. Losing a cost controllable asset like McKenzie goes against what the Indians are all about, especially a highly ranked one. Plus, who knows how Greene will recover from his TJ surgery; there’s extra risk there. With that said, this is still one of the better trade proposals I’ve seen. Add a slightly lower prospect than McKenzie and I really think you are on to something here…nice work!
Reds are getting ripped off. Hunter Greene is going to be a stud ace pitcher. The guy is huge now. Was a string bean throwing 103 still out of high school. TJ won’t impact him very much because he is extremely athletic. Giving him + Senzel is an extreme overpay for seager and a pitcher not nearing as valuable as Greene
Reds fans are over-valuing India as a prospect. He had a slightly above average showing in the minors last year and has now slipped down to the Reds #4 – #6 prospect (depending on which site you use). While he doesn’t have any real minor experience, it seems Lodolo is by consensus the Reds best prospect, pending the recovery of Hunter Greene of course, and Santillan is highly thought of as well. Experts are comparing India’s ceiling to that of Chase Headley…who had a few good years but was certainly not a huge difference maker like Suarez is. If the Reds can use India to get an established MLB player, they should jump at the chance to do so, but it seems that India’s prospect value continues to depreciate.
Dorothy so true and which is also the case for fans of pretty much every club. Which is the case of being a fan. Also prospects in general are over valued. So many top prospect in baseball never reach the potential they are said to be. The question is value and if the team taking the prospect feel it meets there need and feel that they can develop that player.
I don’t see how you can argue that prospects are generally over-valued. Not only is every case different, prospects are nearly always a major feature of any trade, so they are valued by the teams in the player marketplace for what the buyers and sellers think they are worth. The oddest aspect to all of this discussion is when the talk is about free agents, the dominating argument is that they are always being overpaid. Then when it comes to prospects, they are over-valued. Is any player right-valued? The correct answer is, they all are, that’s the marketplace for players in action. The counterargument is really just nothing more than many fans don’t like to see those values being expressed, for no better reason than they personally disagree with them. It’s like howling at the moon, as if the moon is going to care.
Bluesky I’m just speaking to the fact that prospects of a fans team are over valued by said fan. The value a Reds fan might put on India would generally be higher then a Dodger fan would think.
Point taken, but everybody making too much and being valued too highly is the dialog we have here so often.