After adding another significant free agent to their lineup, the Reds may not be finished. The club is “considering” finding a deal involving top young talent Nick Senzel, according to Jon Heyman of MLB Network (via Twitter).
It doesn’t appear that there’s a specific deal already lined up, but the signing of Nicholas Castellanos to a four-year contract further crowds the outfield mix, representing the latest move that seems to limit the opportunities for Senzel.
While Senzel was heralded as a potential franchise centerpiece, he hasn’t quite found a fit yet in Cincinnati. At various points since he was selected second overall in the 2016 draft, the versatile 24-year-old has been tasked with lining up at second base, third base, shortstop, and center field.
As presently constituted, the Reds would seem likely to deploy Senzel in some kind of outfield timeshare while perhaps also giving him some innings in the infield. But there’s an obvious alternative, laden with both risk and upside: cashing him in via trade.
Just what might be contemplated isn’t yet clear. The roster’s one glaring area for improvement is shortstop, though perhaps there’s still room to add pitching and the team has long been said to have interest in finding a more offensively capable catcher. Senzel has exhausted his prospect eligibility, but he’s still the type of controllable, MLB-ready asset who could conceivably be a headliner in a package to acquire any of the myriad high-profile trade targets who’ve been discussed over the course of the winter.
There’ll surely be wide interest in Senzel, who could be plugged right into a lineup and remains controllable through the 2025 season. His debut effort wasn’t a grand slam; he slashed .256/.315/.427 (90 wRC+) with a dozen home runs in 414 plate appearances last year. But that’s hardly a miserable showing for a rookie and he’s still seen as possessing ample talent with the bat. The positional versatility makes him a potential fit just about anywhere and the contract situation is a huge positive.
We’ll give you the entire team.
Tigers or Orioles fan?
Both teams.
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The g-men are government agents
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Late to the comments, taking care of Me Grammy……
Tigers don’t trade for talent but they do collect 4A players so the guy Cincinnati just designated for assignment and is destined for waivers, that’s the guy they get.
or just send back Johnny Cueto — they loved him in Cincinnati
Giles plus Pardinho for Senzel, who says no?
Reds
“Not a perfect fit”
LOL. The Reds get 0 players that make their roster for their top MLB-ready talent?
This is actually very fair IMO, not a perfect fit but I see the merit.
Agreed.
My 2nd grader
Reds would say no. Jays would have a CF and I’d be down with this. Jays would have another trade to make getting rid of at least 1 OF.
throw in the great derek fisher and the reds say yes.
Assuming you’re being sarcastic. If all it took was Giles, Pardinho and Fisher to land Senzel the Jays should be saying yes before the second syllable in Fisher.
Would love to see Senzel with the Jays… but doubt the Reds would accept this.
Maybe Giles, Pardinho, McGuire and Riley Adams?
Could Danny Jansen be involved here? Gotta think him and Senzel are pretty similar value right now.
Might have to throw in a Kay or Gaviglio and replace McGuire with a Conine. Still not sure if the Reds take that.
Alex Manoah?
Alek Manoah
After finally getting pitching, you now want to start trading pitchers? lets not overvalue this kid either 400+ plate appearances does not = four players for one
Definitely would trade Giles. This team likely competes in 2021 but probably not this year… so Giles is a luxury.
Pardinho is a great prospect but the fact we’ve got such great pitching prospect depth means we can move one.
Senzel before he graduated to the Majors was a higher ranked prospect than any Jays player not named Vlad. One season later he’s certainly still worth a good package.
Jays do not have a CF that can be trusted.
Absolutely deal Giles with others for Senzel. Once the Jays decided to acquire pitching this offseason it becomes a scenario where at least one young arm becomes expendable. Had they not obtained all those guys I would agree with you. Senzel to go along with Bo and Vlad gives the Jays 3 of the Top 10 prospects from a year ago.
Jon will overpay for him and he’ll be a bust. I’ve seen this movie before.
Get a hobby, dude.
What do you call these posts of his?
Garbage.
didnt keep Brinson for him ti bust at least
Didn’t keep Brinson long enough to bust. Just didn’t get any production from the guys he traded him for.
oml Jeff dont appease the commenters
Jays desperately need “good” outfielders if the price is right. Although somehow Teoscar posted a higher WAR than Senzel, but he is only 24
He has higher upside then Teoscar.
I think this is something the Jays have to push for
I agree. Not sure what they want for him. It’ll be interesting to see if something can be worked out. I’m sure SRF or another young arm would be involved.
A 4+ war shortstop or catcher. That’s all.
Danny Jansen?
Jays could use a CF.
Exactly, Redleg. I think quite a few posters here haven’t been following the narrative close enough to comment.
Senzel can play CF. That’s the appeal. They should consider him.
Matthew Boyd for Senzel. Straight up.
Boyd would be the long man in the bullpen for the Reds as of right now. Hard no.
He would EASILY be the reds #2 starter if not their ace.
Careful, implying Boyd is anything other then the most overrated pitcher in the history of the universe here is a one way ticket to exile.
Yeah, people here sure do love Boyd.
Nah, just trolling that a pitcher that had a good half season and otherwise has shown to be a middle of the road starter would be the ace over one of the better staffs in the league gets you there.
Oh good god. He wouldn’t even be their #3. Castillo/Gray in some order are a clear 1-2, with Bauer third. Boyd and Disco are pretty comparable, one would be the 4, one would be the 5.
Moneyballer wtf are you smoking? Guy has never posted a FIP under 4 and has only been under 4.5 twice. and he’s a #2 or ace? Of the barren wasteland that is the Tigers pitching staff, sure. In a rotation featuring Bauer, Gray, and Castillo you’re out of your damn mind. With quality back end of the rotation arms like DeSclafani and Miley already in house, he wouldn’t even be a sure thing to crack their rotation.
lol here we go
Haha, can I have some of whatever it is you’re smoking?
Put down the drugs
How? Gray and Castillo are both better than he is.
He gave up 39 bombs pitching in Comerica. No way he plays in GABP.
I thought you were going to say he can’t play defense.
What do you mean he would be the Reds 4th starter behind Castillo,Grey, and Bauer
With no DH, Boyd might only give up 35 in the NL Central 🙂
No chance that the Reds do that.
Bet the Reds can get either Story or Correa if they add one of their SP prospects or their C prospect.
either would be great but I hope like hell they keep Stephenson. C is a weakness in the system and he’s pretty close
Didn’t story just sign an extension?
Only through arb.
Just locked up his last two arbitration years, this year and next.
yes, so he is more tradable now.
Story just signed an extension, and nobody wants a cheater on their team except Houston and Boston.
Albert Belle’s corked bat likes this.
And he was rightly suspended for it, and served his suspension.
Correa gets to skate free.
So if one is suspended for cheating, it no longer counts as cheating? You people just want pounds of flesh. Sad.
Your first sentence makes absolutely zero sense. How do you cone up with this stuff?
And where/when did I say it no longer counted?
If you had brain one in that huge melon on top of your neck, you would be living the sweet life out in Southern California’s beautiful San Fernando Valley!
Actually, I do live in Southern Kalifornia, but thanks for your latest insult.
Maybe one day this site will actually enforce their comments policy rules.
Yeah no one wants Correa! Dirty cheater! No team in the MLB would be interested in a young AS SS.
Gotta get me some of that young AsSS
Correa has a chronic back problem. No thanks
Storys extension makes it easier to trade him now-
I’m secretly hoping the Braves pursue one of these two
Senzel and India for Story. That’d soften the blow of losing Arrenado too.
Story already signed extension with Rockies
No. He didn’t. All he did was lock up his 2 arb years.
I really have no idea what the Reds are doing.
Nick Senzel should have been the everyday second baseman in Cincinnati. Period.
I’m with you. I’m more confused with every move. Starting to think Aquino isn’t safe either. Phil Erving hasn’t had a fair chance to win a job and hit well. I think Winker is on the bubble. I think they offer a trade to Toronto for Votto . He’s got a NTC, but it’s home. It’s a mess. I think the reds feel that Senzel isn’t the one.
I hope Aquino isn’t safe. Not convinced he’s a regular at all.
Votto isn’t waiving his no trade clause after waiting this long for the Reds to be competitive to join a rebuilding team.
Votto in serious decline. consistently pitched high inside and can no longer get to that pitch. Looked at a lot of called 3rd strikes in 19.
There is no way the Reds will trade Votto they have no depth at first base other than him besides Farmer who is a big step down from a future HoF first baseman
Joey Votto and Eric Hosmer are neck-and-neck for MLB’s worst contract.
I agree. senzil @2nd, moose @3rd, and suarez back to ss where he is at least lg. average defensively. I think I read that suarez considers himself a SS. Did a good job there one of the many times Cozart was hurt. Of course Senzil needs to shake the injury bug. Gives Aquino a chance to prove he belongs, and if he doesnt u got 5 guys who can platoon there. Van Meter would be a descent backup at 2nd. of course if u can get Seager for Senzil and ? that would be better.
Part of a Seager trade?
EXACTLY what I was thinking….
Why would the Dodgers trade a quality SS for a mediocre utility man? They already have Taylor and Kiki who are superior players.
& Kiki loves me
Because that “mediocre utility man” almost won MVP as a rookie a couple of years ago, and hasn’t truly had a chance to return to form.
Oh wait jk I read that backwards
Read much?
Vinny, you don’t know crap about Senzel. There’s a reason Cleveland wants him. He has positional flexibility, and has hit at every level he’s played at. Senzel was having an above average rookie year until the hitting coach dorked with his batting stance.
The kid is going to be a star.
^^^ gets it.
Earmbrister. He hit at every level.. except the most important one. He was a .6 WAR player in MLB. No power and can’t get on base. If he was something special the Reds would keep him.
I love Kike and CT3 but they have 1-2 years left until FA. Senzel gets you that replacement for many years plus can move Lux to SS.
Puigpower. Seager is a better player than Lux. Lux has not yet proven to be anything at the MLB level. And yes Kiki and CT will be free agents one day. So what? If the Dodgers want to keep them they will. LA is not the Miami Marlins.
It’s the years of control Senzel has that attracts other teams.
Gavin Lux needs a place to play in LA
I can envision a 3-way trade that gets Lindor to LA, Seager and Senzel to Cleveland, and a couple prospects to the Reds.
Reds giving a high end prospect better return much higher MLB ready prospects. Otherwise pointless for Reds.
Why would the Reds, who are trying to compete right now walk out of that trade deal without a starting SS? Cleveland would be the team after prospects.
Cleveland won 93 games last season despite many injuries. They are not trading Lindor for just prospects. That is not the stated goal of the Cleveland front office.
Ya. I’m sure the Dodgers wouldn’t like it, but even if the Reds gave us Senzel in a three way deal, I think we would ask for Lux.
That’s why this deal probably can’t happen. Our price may change at the trade deadline.
If Seager and a young reliever went to the Reds and a couple of more prospects (from Reds) to the Indians, I could see it working.
Dodgers – Lindor
Reds – Seager, Julio Urias
Indians – Senzel, Jonathan India, Vlad Gutierrez
I could see that being fair to all sides.
Cleveland says no. Cleveland has a better 3B prospect than India, Nolan Jones, that should be ready by the end of 2020.
All the trade talks involving Seager should be scrapped. In a year (if not sooner) Seager moves to 3B and Lux takes over at short
Word is Seags will not move
Refs would most likely trade Senzel, India and Galvis not Gutierrez if they’re trying to get Lindor or Seager.
Why would they want to keep the ss they’re trying to replace?
u need glasses. Reds need a SS!
Nice work by the Reds getting Castellanos. Now let’s try to trade Nick Senzel, Phil Erwin, Freddy Galvis,, Tyler Mahle, Jameson Hannah(10), Vladimier Gutierrez(11) and Scott Schebler for Indians shortstop Lindor. That’s seven players for Lindor and anther minor leage player maybe Luis Oviedo(14) from the Indians.
Then try to rework his contract for 3 years 20 million per year. That’s giving him a better deal per year now than he already has for an extra year.
LMAO!!! Giving up unwanted quantity for unequaled quality does not qualify as a legitimate trade offer. Also, unless you’re ready to offer Lindor a contract in the $300 million range, you’re dreaming.
Him offering Lindor only 20 million is an even bigger insult. It’ll take about 36 million per free agent year, and at least for 6 years (plus the 2 arbitration years).
They learned lesson from Votto’s huge contract. That’s why getting Seager seems more reasonable.
dude the Indians have zero interest in Ervin, Hannah, Schebler, and Gutierrez. They don’t need Mahle. Galvis works only if they need a stopgap. Would need to be Senzel and India as a starting point
All 7 players are garbage.
Zippo chance.
LMFAO! Are you drunk? If you were a gm and offered that, the owner would fire you. Smh.
kyblue please lay off the bourbon until the afternoon, holy smokes…. Yeah man I’ll trade you four Chevy Cavaliers and a posh Lincoln navigator for your Aston Martin, heck I’ll even take on some of your payments! That’s essentially what you just rolled out
Great comment, Dock… though you may be selling that Lincoln short if it is in fact one of those extremely rare “Dock Ellis Edition” Navigators.
The Indians could probably just claim Schebler when he inevitably gets DFA’d. No need to trade for that guy.
Kyblue50 – so much to reply to in your comment above. #1 – Lindor would not sign a 3 year 20 million contract. He will make more than 20 million in his last year of arbitration and more in his first year of free agency so that is a non starter, #2 – Cleveland would not trade Lindor for Senzel and table scraps. 5 of those players would have to go on the Indians 40 man roster. The Indians already have 9 outfielders on their 40 man roster so their is little need for Ervin and Schebler (who would surely be released.) Also both Ervin and Schebler are out of options so they must make the team or be waived. Tyler Mahle would end up in the minors as he has had little success in the majors and is not needed.
Cleveland’s front office is very smart. They are not going to trade a player the quality of Francisco Lindor, for a package of quantity rather than one including quality.
I would say Senzel/India/Aquino or Winkler/Galvis and prospects for Lindor?
Those are much more reasonable trades, but I’m not sure the Indians would be open to ANY trade for Lindor at this point in the off season. We would essentially be bagging on the season. Replacing Lindor with Galvis would be a huge drop.
Giving up on this year is not necessarily bad in the long run, but the Indians are a careful, organized team and I would be surprised if they altered their plan in this huge a way, at this point.
That leaves only the two bench players without options. Got to take one of them in place of Aquiño
I think Cleveland can deal directly with the Reds.
Lindor, Clevinger, Aaron Civale and Brad Hand to the Reds.
Indians get back Senzel, Galvis, Hunter Greene, Tejay Antone, Sal Romano, and Curt Casali.
Indians get a future star OF in Senzel. A prime SS in Galvis. A can’t miss ace in Greene as soon as he get over his surgery. Antone is only 26 years old and about to break out a as potential TOR starter. Romano is the same as Antone. And Casali would be good for the Indians if they play him at AAA and can call him up if one of their 2 catchers gets injured.
It’s more then the Reds should give up, especially since they’re taking on salary. But to get some good players you have to give up some future stars.
this is just bad.. clueless trade proposals should have a filter..
#1 – the Indians aren’t giving up 2/5 of their starting rotation.
#2 – At this point in the off season, I don’t think they are making any major changes.
#3 – for that haul, you’d better be talking Senzel, Greene, Lodolo AND India.
#4 – Galvis is not a prime SS.
Samuel, drinking this early in the day is dangerous to your health. Please don’t drive.
I won’t comment on his trade other to say that the Indians would hang up and block the Reds number.
Sounds enticing but Casali is too important for catchers depth until Tyler Stephenson progresses.
Greene isn’t going anywhere
Lmfao …. Swing n a miss
Castellanos can opt out after 1 year so you better be prepared for that.
It’s definetely a win now season. NLCS or bust because I don’t think just winning the division would keep Nick from seeking greener pastures.
Matz straight up, makes sense for both
where would the mets play him?
CF
Where does Nimmo go?
To the Jays of course.
I’m a Mets fan and that’s very wishful thinking. Matz wouldn’t crack the Reds rotation. They will go for a SS or C
How does that make sense for the Reds? While Matz is darn good they need a shortstop.
I think is a fair deal…Matz for Senzel straight up.
Senzel is a bust. Otherwise the Reds wouldn’t want to jettison him so badly. I wouldn’t trade a top prospect for him.
A bust? Time for a new eyeglass Rx Vinny.
Vin is a one of the more short sighted and closed minded posters here, forgive his stale imbecility.
That .6 WAR at 24 yrs old just screams budding Superstar.
you might want to look at Josh Donaldson’s numbers.
reading your comments here I wonder if you even follow or know anything abt this game.
hope this helps.
You’re dumb.
A trade to Detroit for Boyd would be a smart move by both teams. Boyd’s a lefty that strikes batters out and under control for 3 season and Nick could fail in Detroit until he figures it out while their rebuild happens.
Even up would be selling Boyd short. I’d look for a three way trade with two players coming back to Detroit. Senzel to Tigers, Boyd to 3rd team. 3rd team sends SS to Reds, 3rd team also sends a player to the Tigers.
Senzel will have a break out year. Don’t get rid of his already CIN. This will be a bad choice to make. You will regret it. If a guy is on the front of baseball card packages, like he has been…he must be pretty darn good.
The problem is he’s not going to be in an environment in Cincy to get constant reps at one position which is going to make it harder for him to succeed.
If they could just set him up at 2B or 3B for the entire season then I agree, he could be primed for a breakout, but if he’s playing out of position and being used like a utility man then they might as well just cash him in via trade.
Senzel, Galvis and Vladimir Gutierrez to Oakland for Semien and Puk.
Why the hell would Oakland do that?
They have Barreto at 2B and a solid CF to go with that!
Oakland would never, NEVER do that deal.
That MIGHT work if Puk was left off. Although it would still be highly debatable.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was for Corey seager because any team with a chance to have two franchises players turning double plays for 5 plus years for cheap with lux and senzel should salivate at the opportunity
Seager is better than Sentzel. And they are only one year apart in age.
Sounds like a perfect fit for the Rangers who need a CF. Fits the Rangers timeline as well. What would it take Cincy fans? Solak to play 2nd and one of our SP in AAA?
Senzel doesn’t move unless a top 12 SS in 2020 comes back.
Lol.. Top 12 SS for a top 100 under achieving outfielder … Fair enough
Reds need ss & c upgrades and decent rp. Doesn’t like Oakland has anything to offer.
Honestly think the Braves should be in on Senzel. Makes perfect sense for them and they could move him back to his natural 3B
They were pretty slick to grab Swanson. Way too early to give up on a talent like Senzel.
Castellanos is a great signing but trade Senzel? I wouldn’t. Some outfielder has to go though.
Someone please tell me why they would give up on a young cheap solid player like Nick Senzel to SPEND MONEY on a defensively challenged Nick Castellanos? It really blows my mind.
I’ll tell you one more thing, that opt-out clause after one year is very telling. What it says is that Castellanos could only command a 1 year deal elsewhere and the Reds want an insurance policy as to why that was the case. I view this as a 1 year prove it deal and if the reds like what they have they will get the chance to keep him. 4/64 is more of a wish than a guarantee here.
Moneyballer, the Reds don’t have ANY insurance. It’s a player option aka opt-out.
It is a 1 year prove it deal….for the reds to prove to NC that they are a contender and then he has the option of opting out and going back into free agency.
Metrics and the shift have made defense nearly pointless. The ball either leaves the park, or to where it goes most frequently based on statistics. Outlaw the shift maybe, and then defense might matter again.
Castellanos is one of the better hitters in baseball and still improving… his defense isn’t that bad anymore and defensive metrics especialy in corner OF are very overrated (by many on this site)… senzel May be good one day but he’s not yet and Castellanos becomes the reds second best hitter at this point behind Suarez immediately… criticizing this signing makes no sense to me
Moneyballer. It is because the Reds don’t believe Sentzel is as good as you do.
You don’t even know how to spell the guys name. Stop spewing nonsense everywhere
If they didn’t think he was that good he would’ve been gone by now.
They never included him in any trade offers for players less than Grandal’s or Lindor’s caliber
Your having a real bad day today
Orioles trade
SP Cobb, coming for an injury return bounceback
RP Givens
DH3B Renato Nunez 31 HRs
for
Senzel
and a Rookie / Low A Prospect
Haha in your dreams.
This is one of the most ridiculous trade proposals I’ve seen on here, and that’s saying something!
Turrible, turrible
The last thing the Reds need is another 3B and another SP.
He screams Preller, and would fit great in the outfield/2B mix for the Pads. That said I’m not sure the two teams match up particularly well. San Diego doesn’t have an offensively minded catcher to market (unless they market Mejia, but he’s better with the bat than Senzel at C) and no SS to trade either. Greg Garcia had a great showing last year and could play some SS if needed.
Garcia, Michel Baez, Hudson Head, and another prospect for Senzel?
You know, if the Reds are going all in on “defense is overrated” by singing Castellanos and playing Moose at 2B… might as well just put Senzel at SS.
Or go all-in on an all-bat SS options several days a week like the 1986 Mets did with Howard Johnson and Kevin Mitchell.
Joking of course, though Moustakas/Aquino at SS would be fun for fans of any team other than the Reds to watch.
Jays will absorb Votto if you want, he can come home.
Vottos no trade clause. He’s not going to ok a trade to play in the third worst stadium in MLB.
That “third worst stadium” is also a 10-min drive from where he grew up. That “third worst stadium” is kind to hitters along with the rest of that division. If the Reds want future financial flexibility they should explore that. Toronto might be one of the very few places Votto would say yes to.
If I am Toronto I do not bother with Votto.
Fake news. This stuff happens after every big trade and/or free agent signing. Jon gets his viewership up and then someone else will come in later on and deny he’s available
Senzel, RHP Mahle, OF Ervin, and RHP Iglesias for LHP Price, OF Bradley Jr, and C Vasquez. Boston covers 30-35 mil of Prices contract.
Yes, I’m fully aware this is a “video game kinda trade” lol
why? Bradley sucks, is expensive and is a rental. Furthermore they want to get a rid of an OF, not acquire a worse one.
This is a perfect trade match for the Phillies, trade Segura for Senzel to play CF allowing Kingery to play 2B they both could backup each other as well. You could take on the Galvis contract as well to matchup trades. Galvis another infield platoon option at SS & 2B incase of injury or days off. Win win both teams
Senzel for a declining, 30-year old, expensive, displaced SS?
No Thanks.
Nobody leaves. Aquino gets optioned until there’s an injury or Winker slumps. Platoon guys and let them worry about it. They are under contract to play however their manager sees fit. What’s the problem having a loaded potential at one position? Yes Galvis isn’t amazing but is it a hole that can be plugged with others around him? Stay still and wait. If you can get superior return then yes. But why not just wait until the deadline and see if others don’t throw more at you. Reds make good moves for once and right away they want to burn the city down. Sit still and let everything develop around you.
I agree, Brad. While every fan wants an eight- or nine-position Murderer’s Row, it’s not going to kill the Reds to have Galvis playing SS most days.
And while he’s likely to regress, Van Meter is a serviceable backup SS.
Any number of better SS options may become more readily available closer to the trade deadline, should CIN be a legitimate contender at that point.
James McCann and Danny Mendick for Senzel
How about we throw in Suarez and Castillo, too?
Nice sarcasm.
Rangers offer Tejeda, Solak, Apostel Huff and Hernandez for Senzel and Aquino. Senzel plays CF Aquino in left or included in trade with Odor and Winn for JBell.
As a Rangers fan….NO
Okay.. first these trade proposals are asinine. I’d try this.
Aquino opens the year in AAA. Senzel, Castellanos, Akiyama play almost daily with Winker the fourth outfielder.
Irvin, Vanmeter go to the bench. Payton gets offered back to the A’s. Jankowski also goes to the bench or optioned if he can be. Schebler gets optioned, traded or flat out released.
Now you have a powerful 1-8, and a solid bench of Barnhardt/Casali, Vanmeter, Irvin, Winker and Kyle Farmer. Jankowski as a late game def. replacement.
Nicely done, Anonymoose. Aquino is a wild card, Schebler appears to have topped off, and Jankowski to me is a decent but replaceable 5th OF worth trying to sneak through waivers.
I generally agree with this approach. But i’d also be good with a Senzel for Seager trade if we didn’t give up anything else of real value. I still think Winker has real potential and he’ll fizzle in a bench role.
Aquino opens the year in AAA, Starting outfield is Castellanos, Akiyama and Winker. If Winker continues to really struggle against LHP then he platoons with Schebler and/or Vanmeter. Irvin/Vanmeter/Schebler/Janowski/Farmer on the bench.
Starting 8 of Akiyama, Votto, Seager, Castellanos, Suarez, Moose, Winker, Barnhardt.
Seager is a proven commodity who was not only ROY but also 3rd in MVP voting in his first year. “Yes,” health has slowed his output but when healthy he’s a force. It’s unrealistic to believe the Dodgers would be enticed by Senzel followed by “[nothing] else of real value” for him.
Keep Suarez as clean up dude
how about Simmons and a 3-10 prospect for Senzell? any chance of that?
I heard Senzel to the Rangers for Odor is a chance lol.
Betts for Senzel. Who says no? Betts move to CF to anchor the defense, and bats cleanup. Senzel moves back to 2nd for the RS.
Obviously reds say no. What use do they have for a $27M expiring.
the Red Sox, unless the Red include another top prospect AND take Price too.
Reds also would need to send back Castillo and Suarez for Sox to even stay on the phone.
Now that’s just silly. Both Castillo and Suarez separately have more value than Betts right now due to quality play/contract status.
What on earth? you want a top of the rotation arm, a multi-positional young talent and a top of the league 3rd baseman for an expiring contrtact on a corner outfielder??????????
As great as Betts is, that would just complicate things given how many OFs the reds already have.. I could see that as part of a 3 team deal with the dodgers though.
I believe Suarez was a shortstop in the Detroit organization. How bout put Moose at 3rd Suarez moves to shortstop Senzel plays 2nd base. Your starting outfield is Winker in left Akimura in center and Costellanos in right. Phillip Ervin and Aquino are extra outfielders plus lorenzan can play center at times. Schbler won’t make the club and Galvis stays as swing man in the infield
I like your natural position concept that prevents any further trades or deals
If White Sox want a RF platoon with Mazara would Senzel be a good fit? Get two still young and potentially high ceiling guys and see who takes command?
Senzel isn’t worth as much as y’all think he is. NIce prospect, but a mediocre first year in MLB and a serious injury question mark (shoulder injury is no bueno). No way he’s enough for a one for one trade for an elite SS. They’d have to come up with quite a bit more to get a Lindor or a Correa or a Story or Seager.
He is not a one for one for an elite SS, but he could still be the best asset in a package deal for one. Senzel paired with a young pitcher such as Mahle and maybe the catcher prospect Stephenson would be a nice package for Story or Seager. It might take a bit more for Correa. Lindor would probably require another big prospect, but I could see that getting done as well.
Senzel didn’t set the world on fire immediately, but a lot of players didn’t. Some players take a little bit of acclimation.
I would give Senzel, Mahle and India in a trade for an elite as
Nobody is worth trading the whole farm (Mat Latos)
Unless their name is Ken Griffey Jr (pre draft)
Or Derek Jeter
Today maybe. Odds are Galvis Holds his own, senzel improves while Indians and Rockies both struggle to compete. Reds aren’t in any hurry to make a move
Suarez to short, Senzel to third…why isn’t this a more discussed solution?
I could see suarez to ss, moose to 3rd and senzel to 2nd.
Doubt it though, Suarez bulked up to put the ball in the stands. If he were to drop a few lbs and play there all SS I could see it. I just don’t think you mess with a top 3rd baseman over all of this. Roll with a stacked OF and made a deadline deal if needed at a lower cost. The lineup and rotation are good enough to stay in it all year long.
Because Suarez has bulked up since his SS days and has become a really good 3B defender. No reason to halt progression
Suarez to shortstop
Moustakis to third and Senzel to second makes more sense.
Their natural positions.
Senzel and Galvis to Dbacks for Nick Ahmed.
Nick Ahmed 2019 4.5 WAR, has 2 Gold Gloves vs. Galvis 1.6 WAR, questionable defense
Reds would want an extension with Ahmed to make this happen. Like they did with the Yankees in the Sonny Gray trade last year.
Though Castlanos has a one year opt out clause,I like how they get extensions in their signings to prevent the one year rental. Keep the window open for 3-4 seasons.
Seriously? That is a ridiculous overvalue of Ahmed. Nick Senzel was a top 10 prospect last year. No he didn’t win the ROY or anything, but he still has a ton of upside. The Reds are not trading him for a very slight upgrade over Galvis.
No more Boyd talk how about Spencer Turnbull + prospect?
Senzel is not being shopped, just tweeting something to tweet it
How is he at 2nd base?
BUGZ Not saying no, but the Dbacks love Nick Ahmed. They kept him over Didi and Dansby Swanson, before his hit tool began to develop, and that has come along quite nicely the past two years. It would take more than Senzel and Galvis. Dbacks almost always look for young starters with huge potential.
Nick Senzel and Trevor Bauer to Astros for Carlos Correa. CIN gets a huge upgrade at SS. HOU can play Senzel at 3B and move Bregman to SS.
Trevor Bauer on the Houston Astros! That would be worth the price of admission.
Ok any other rumors?
I would move Suarez to SS and Senzel to 3B. You certainly lose some defense with Suarez at SS, but Senzel is likely a superior defender at 3B. Would help to cover Suarez’s deficiencies.
This is a very good possibility, at least occasionally to get both bats in the lineup. We all know how Bell likes to shift everyone around constantly.
If you were going to move Suarez to SS, you’d put Senzel at 2B and put Moose at 3B. But that’s not going to happen.
Come talk to the Royals. I bet they’d trade you Jorge Soler and his remaining 2 years for Sentzel. Maybe you can teach Jorge to play lst base… He’s certainly no OF. Get yourself last year’s AL home run champ.
Only makes sense to trade Senzel at this point. Akiyama is the CF and their weakest position is either LF or SS. Galvis showed fine last year and Aquino showed more than Senzel did. I’m not saying that Aquino is better but he and Winker can probably handle the LF duties. Senzel and more for Lindor would be unreal.
Let’s go DET
Dear delusional Red fans. If you want Corey Seager you will have to give the Dodgers more than your spare parts and leftovers. Seager is only 1 year older than Senzel but is 6 times more valuable. Scrubs will not get you Seager.
It’s amazing to think someone is suggesting Senzel followed by “[nothing] else of real value” for Seager. They don’t how Andrew Friedman operates. Hell, I’m a Dodger fan and I don’t even know how he operates but I do know Senzel + lower prospects isn’t going to be an attractive package.
Neurogame.. Exactly. The Dodgers don’t want to or have to trade Seager. The only way they trade him is if they are getting Lindor. And that probably will not happen. The Reds and their fans obviously do not value Sentzel or they wouldn’t be clamoring to get rid of him.
I wasn’t suggesting. that, I was saying that was the only way I’d do it if I were the Reds. Read my post again above.
Wilson09. You said you would be willing to trade Sentzel and nothing else of value for Seager. That is a ridiculous statement and that qualifies you as an example of a delusional fan.
Actually baseballtradevalues.com gives Senzel a surplus value of $67mill and Seager a surplus value of $52 million…
Y’all know reds can just trade with Indians right ?? When reds are chasing dodgers- why would they help dodgers get better while acquiring an inferior player to the one the dodgers would acquire ?? Yet reds fans are delusional lolz. Any seager trade will center around iglesias.
Dodgers have all the assets to get lindor but passed. Now he’s the reds for the taking if they’ll take on the salary. Senzel Aquino and Mahle is more than enough to get a deal done. While dodgers come up just short again
Very interested in Senzel and Aquino. Mahle, not so much. The Indians like hard throwing relief pitchers. Hendrix and someone else.
Lmao yea right… You reds fans think way to highly of your ok players , this is comedy… Aquino had a decent yr hes really valuable, oh senzel didn’t but hes really valuable … Durp
Dear Vin Scully
Seager only has two years of control left before reaching free agency. Senzel has 6.
How about India and Aquino with Senzel?
Those are not scraps. If your act now we’ll throw Schebler in for nothing!
From a non delusional Reds fan.
Senzel to the Dbacks for one of the young pitchers
Maybe if Senzel got regular playing time at just one position instead of dispensing him all over the diamond in his first taste of the big leagues he would be able to settle in and hit better.
He played center field all of his time last season.
Out of necessity they moved him from 2B.
They didn’t move him all around.
My prediction now is Francisco Lindor to the Reds. The Reds can afford to part with Senzel.
Jays Jays Jays…. Jays. How’s the Reds bullpen? Giles is a name that brings to mind. One of the few things the Jays have at an advantage is that they have the ability to trade catching depth and still have catchers waiting in then minors for an injury. Unfortunately, I don’t know enough about the Reds roster. I’d imagine a deal centered around Giles and a catcher would work out nicely
I don’t know why they don’t put Moustakis at 3rd, Suarez at SS, where he played before he came to the Reds, and move Senzel to 2B.
Very interested in Senzel and Aquino. Mahle, not so much. The Indians like hard throwing relief pitchers. Hendrix and someone else.
definitely an A’s type player
Giles, Groshans and Gurriel for Senzel…
Make a MONSTER offer for Lindor
The main reason the Reds have signed these players to take the place of Senzel is the guy can’t stay healthy. He’s never played a full year of pro ball. And he was even hurt in college. It doesn’t matter how good you are if you are not available to play 30-40% of the time.
Braves trade for Senzel would be great!
Braves can part with Inciarte and a top 10 pitching prospect. That would benefit both sides. They also have Camaro or Riley that could be added if the reds want to move anyone else for a bigger package.
Why would the reds want Inciarta? They already have too many outfielders hint the reason they are willing to listen on Senzel offers. smh
I hope the Orioles try and get Senzel & Siri.
But the Orioles will also need to trade a AAA outfielder or two. Maybe the O’s can trade Mullins, Stewart, Ruiz or Nunez to the Reds or Rangers.
Reds give Indians choice between Nick Lodolo or Hunter Greene. Add Nick Senzel, Jonathan India, Tyler Stephenson. Give additional choice between Jesse Winker or Aristides Aquino. Throw in Freddie Galvis (somebody needs to play SS).
Reds get Lindor. Reds go into deal knowing Lindor is the next Votto contract and get busy on it.
No…just no.
uhhhhhhhh surely you jest. Waaaaaaaaay too much. NO
Go to the Indians now and get Lindor w/ senzel and other prospects to help you win the nl central
Nick C. will only be around for his 1st option and if Senzel has been traded the reds will be looking for a replacement in the outfied. Keep Senzel, he has more tools and is a potential star maybe this year..
Aquino only hit 19 hrs in 2 months and now the reds must think that wasn’t enough to get a good look this season. Please tread carefully Reds.
My guess is, that the Reds were reluctant to include Senzel in a Lindor trade until they were done shopping. I can see that trade window opening again. It’s common knowledge that the Tribe FO really likes him, but they’re certainly not getting a return of 6 #1 draft picks for him as someone else suggested, that’s just ridiculous…
It was actually 5, but if the Reds want him, it’s going to take something in that neighborhood. The cold hard truth is India & Senzel dont have a position. Stephenson isn’t going to be a star. He’s going to be a major league catcher that has a few years with 15-20 Homer’s, but he’s not a standout either offensively, or defensively. He’s an ok catching prospect. That’s all he is. The only real pain in the scenario I posted was losing a starter. Lodolo is going to have a nice career. Greene? Who knows, but his floor is stud closer. My package made the Indians choose one or the other. Winker is not an all around, NL ready player. He’s a one dimensional player….and even In his one dimension…he’s a platoon player. Reds fans are notorious for overvaluing Reds prospects. Any deal for Lindor that permits us to keep either Lodolo or Greene wouldn’t hurt us at all. The offensive players I listed? Maybe 1 (Senzel) has an All Star future. Aquino might….maybe….have a low OBA, high strikeout- 35 homer a year short career, but that’s his ceiling. India & Stephenson are future big league guys that will be solid, non-star type guys.
The #1 contributing factor to any deal is the current condition of the trade market. Today teams will do anything not to pay a player 10 mil or so. Padres and Dodgers both made a hard pass on Lindor while Cleveland said they are interested in Senzel. So that’s the market price for a superstar- a controllable player with lot’s of upside. You should come to terms with it because based on the current market- it’s kind of like that offer is sitting out there for reds to take. Your proposal may have had a chance prior to Jeter the broke joke’s fire sale of his team but no chance in today’s market.
Lmao
Reds want Lindor and will get him. It will be Senzel, mahle, winker. Reds just want to extend him like they did gray.