The Pirates’ future direction under new general manager Ben Cherington has yet to become entirely certain, as the club hasn’t made any notable moves during Cherington’s two-plus months in charge to indicate either a rebuild or a reload for the 2020 season. This waiting period (or perhaps even the thought of a rebuild in general) hasn’t sat well with many Pittsburgh fans, though it seems like the evaluation of seemingly every level of the organization will continue, as club owner Robert Nutting told Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he wants a thorough examination of what went wrong with the Pirates in 2019.
“I’m not sure we know how good every one of our players can be. We absolutely have challenges in our development system in terms of processes,” Nutting said. “We absolutely have challenges at the Major League level in terms of information and ways we communicated with players. A real frustration point for me last year was that we had too many players who performed at one level here and a higher level with another club. They were coached differently. They got different information. And they performed at a higher level.”
It wasn’t long ago that the Pirates were the ones drawing plaudits for their ability to revive careers and find hidden gems from lightly-regarded roster pickups, as such canny moves helped the Bucs reach the postseason via three consecutive wild card berths in 2013-15. Since that impressive stretch, however, 2018’s modest 82-79 mark has been the team’s only winning record of the past four seasons. Things seemed to bottom out last year, as a series of struggles both on the field and in the clubhouse led to a brutal 25-48 record after the All-Star break, en route to a 69-win season.
The near-total nature of that second-half collapse makes it somewhat hard to evaluate, as it could have been a perfect storm of off-the-field issues and player dissatisfaction with manager Clint Hurdle, rather than a sign that the Pirates were completely lacking in ability. Nutting is hopeful that more clarity can be achieved under new manager Derek Shelton and a largely overhauled coaching staff.
“We don’t know how good our players are right now,” Nutting said. “I think we need to give Derek, Ben, our analytics team and our coaching staff a chance to see what we can bring out of our players, not only at the Major league level but at Triple-A, too.”
That said, Nutting isn’t only counting on a management change suddenly turning the Pirates into NL Central contenders, blunting saying “We do not have enough talent to be as good as we need to be….I think we have a solid core, but we need to build around it. We need to supplement. That’s going to come from international signings, the draft, trades, and we need to do it throughout the organization. That will take some time.”
Based on these remarks, it doesn’t appear as any spending increase is coming in the near future, at least not in terms of Major League payroll commitments. The Pirates have roughly $68.76MM (as per Roster Resource) in payroll expenditures in 2020, making them again one of the lowest-spending clubs in baseball. Depending on how long it takes to acquire the additional talent Nutting and Cherington feel is required, the owner’s comments won’t change the public perception that higher-priced Bucs players with relatively little remaining team control — such as Starling Marte or Chris Archer — could be trade candidates. Marte has been a particularly well-discussed player this offseason, though it remains unclear as to whether or not a trade could be particularly close, if happening at all.
mlb1225
What happened is the run diffriental caught up to them and hit them like a freight train. This pitching staff is shallow, and currently Joe Musgrove is their best starter according to the depth chart. Trade Marte now and get back a decent prospect return (and eventually Bell), and comeback in 2022 when guys like Ke’Bryan Hayes, Mitch Keller, Cole Tucker, Kevin Newman, and Bryan Reynolds should be established big leaguers with Oneil Cruz, Travis Swaggerty, and Quinn Preister on the mend.
Manfredsajoke
Trade everyone of value (Bell/Marte) for prospects and see if you can get anything for Archer who’s a shell of what he once was.
mlb1225
Honestly though, is it even worth trading Archer right now? I’d wait until the deadline and try and squeeze as much value out of him as possible because right now, he is probably only worth a couple of lotto ticket prospects.
Lovinmlb
Not disagreeing with you. But now teams are thinking we can make archer better. Look how Pittsburgh failed to get the most out of Cole Morton Glasnow. But by trade deadline and Archer isn’t improved with a new staff working with him his value goes down even more. And teams lose this spring training to work with improving him.
So basically what the pirates do with him and most their players will tell a lot what they think about certain guys.
JustCheckingIn
Bingo
Trading him now would be very Pirate like. Lol
JustCheckingIn
Step one. Stop throwing new pitch that was being tattooed
Step two. He’s better
Can the pirates figure that out?
AnnaDad
The trade for Archer was viewed by most as a bad deal from the beginning. Why did the Pirates want him? The writing was on the wall. It had “bust” written all over it. If you look at his stats from 2016-2019 the trend was obvious. He just continued to get worse. He has no trade value.
jonbluvin
Figure out what changed after Archer was traded. If you can fix that, he will have value, even with 1.5 years control at the deadline. His contract is very team friendly if he can get his FIP and ERA close to his Tampa Bay days..Trading him now won’t return much. The better risk is working on his pitch selection.
Drew Waters Bat
What changed with him is Archer no longer throws in a dome. Any pitcher that has any idea about how a baseball breaks understands that pitching in a vacuum like what is created in a dome is the best thing they can do for themselves. All of your pitches play up better there.
bigjonliljon
Face it…. the talent isn’t there. Not enough in the farm system. Not enough in the major league roster. There’s not even enough talent to trade for the prospects you crave to reset the roster with. The future in Pirate Ville……. not good. Bordering on bleak.
Goku the Knowledgable One
I agree with Nutting that we dont know a whole lot about the guys we have.
Can Frazier be a top 20 2B?
Is Newman the answer at short?
Can Musgrove stay healthy?/Can Archer bounce back?
Can Reynolds keep up the insane production?
Can Bell establish a full season of dominance?
How much was the team effected by being down big early in most games?
I’m optimistic that this team is capable of being better than they were last year. Just remains to be seen as to how much better.
davemlaw
He’s talking about Gerrit Cole without saying his name. And that’s got to hurt.
Also Glasnow and Meadows too.
The team has been so poorly run the previous 3 years, I wish Ben Cherington all the best.
Get the best package for Starling Marte you can and move on.
mlb1225
The Archer trade hurt way more than the Cole trade to me. The Pirates gave up one guy with Cy Young potential for very little in the Cole trade. In the Archer deal, it’s 100% plausable Cole, Morton and Glasnow finish 1-2-3 in Cy Young voting had Tyler stayed healthy, and Shane Baz was just ranked as the 90th best prospect in baseball earlier today. Not to mention Austin Meadows finishing 2019 with a .900+ OPS and 143 OPS+.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Agreed Archer trade was traumatic and made no sense on any level.. team wasn’t even realistic as a wildcard.
I personally, was heartbroken when I saw Meadows heading the other way (although the cliche idea is that all the Pirates fans loved the trade when it hpnd)
But also cant discount how bad the Cole trade was.. have to return at least 1 prospect for a top half innings eater(as Cole was at the time)… Neal went for ML roster fillers instead (not good ones either)
Ejemp2006
Everyone gets the basic premise wrong. The Pirates are not trying to win a WS. They are trying to consistently field a playoff team.
That is why they never go for the gusto or commit to tanking.
They go into the year aiming for 90 wins, plus or minus alpha.
jimmyz
They aren’t aiming for 90 wins, they’re aiming for (at least) 90 million in revenue against the 50 they’ll be spending on payroll
DarkSide830
and just about always fall
DarkSide830
*fail
PiratesFan1981
The Pirate tried to play for the World Series when they traded for Archer to replace Traded Cole. Archer, Tallion, and Musgrove were planned to be the big 3 punch at the top of the rotation. That plan failed miserably and nothing is shown for it. In theory, rotation (if you over look what Has transpired) of Archer, Tallion, Musgrove, Kuhl, and Williams/Keller seemed to be a good solid rotation at the time. Only after the wheels came off, that rotation looked like a Double A rotation. It was a failed attempt and it cost people jobs.
Now the Pirates have new faces to make similar decisions. Rather they pan out as planned, 3 years should tell us Pirates fans. As a fan, I realize how frustrating this organization has fallen so quickly. I think the team is one more boycott from moving to another city. It might actually do them good because fans have given up on the team and organization as long as Nutting owns the team. It breaks my heart to see that it’s a possibility of them leaving town. Been a fan my whole life and to see fans turn their backs on the organization tells you that baseball is dead in Pittsburgh
Goku the Knowledgable One
Currently dead? Yes.
But I like what im hearing about revamping development and international signings.
Huntington was terrible at trading for prospects and hadn’t made a splash in the int’l market since Renee Gayo left the org.
Searage’s dismissal was long overdue as his strategy hadn’t worked since Volquez era and Liriano never really exhibited Searage’s concept.. if only GCole could’ve ignored him too.
I still remember Coles rookie season torching batters with 100mph heat, he got worse the more Searage fiddled with him.(and obviously better once Astros unleashed him)
Disturbing that they let the same exact thing happen with Glasnow.. those kinds of guys dont grow on trees.
I’m optimistic that Archer can be a hot commodity at the trade deadline, and Marte may be more valuable if he can establish himself in CF.
It’s not all doom and gloom around here although it certainly seems that way right now. Keller and Hayes will go a long way to helping our positions of need. And aside from some of the more obvious talent (Bell/Reynolds/Newman) Polanco still has all the potential in the world.
I personally really like the conservative offseason.
Really only wishlist item is a veteran SP5. Good year for player evaluations and looking for some prospects at the trade deadline.
Having a good development system in many ways outweighs having a large budget. Take a glass half full perspective that they’re not handcuffed by any bad contracts.
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Freddy-That is an optimistic outlook but I have been fooled before.
I do think that the Pirates with luck can finish above 500,but their max is their 2018 record.
No playoffs.
I am concerned that BC has done the same thing that NH did the year before which is not add depth and you saw how that turned out.
I do believe that this division is not an strong as last year and the Reds could sneak into the winner’s slot.
The Prates are missing their opportunity because of Taillon’s injury and a desire to not spend.
Goku the Knowledgable One
Let’s not confuse this with me being fooled.
I am optimistic to a state of a reasonable doubt.
Will definitely agree that spending has to go up marginally as they did not strike when the iron was hot in the past.
But I think good development and scouting has more value than big spending.
jorge78
A little of 68 million in payroll.
That’s a joke…..
Goku the Knowledgable One
Better yet, Marte’s moderate salary makes up close to 10% of the payroll.
at12tone
Bub Notting is kind of a trash human.
sufferforsnakes
And what does that make you, for saying something like that about someone you’ve never met?
TheTrotsky
I’ve never met a lot of human trash and that doesn’t matter. Still trash.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
I’ve actually met him and this is true. His dad is a super nice, stand up guy, who built businesses and values his employees.
Bob is the spoiled rich kid who never worked a day in his life or earned or built anything on his own. It’s actually comically sad when you meet him as the stereotypes are all true.
mlb1225
It’s a real shame that after 2015, the Pirates didn’t build off of the 98 win season. Now sure, there were some unforseen circumstances such as McCutchen going from near-.900 OPS in 2015 down below .800 in 2016, Jung Ho Kang having off field issues, Gerrit Cole only pitching in 21 games, and Liriano regressing significantly. But it became an apparent issue when the solution to filling in the shoes A.J. Burnett left with his retirement was a mixture of Juan Nicasio, Jon Niese, and Ryan Vogelsong, with Jeff Locke still being the 5th starter. Not to mention the little to no bullpen reinforcements that were brought in over the off season as well.
Plus, I don’t think their lack of adding was Nutting’s fault. They went from a $75 million-ish payroll the two years prior to nearly $100 million in 2015. Even though it stayed around $100 million in 2016, they clearly allocatd their budget in the wrong manner.
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MLB-I think that Nutting is like many other owners in that he does not take chances.
They traded Walker because they were afraid to veer from their small market rationale of trading the player one or two years before free agency.
They did not resign Happ because they were not sure whether he was a two month wonder.They had Liriano and did not want to pay another lefthander that high salary and were left in the lurch when Liriano became a failure.
They traded Morton because he was overpriced for the injury proneness that he was.
Kang actually was fairly good -it was 2017 that was completely wasted.
They lost Burnett to retirement and that seemed to deflate the whole club.
They kept Locke who had two good months a couple of years before and only teased after that time.
They still tried to win but they did not add to what was still a good team and that was the gripe of many fans.
moviemang80
Not to mention, the team lived on the IL.
DarkSide830
as in their entire team looked like an International League team?
Lovinmlb
Sounds like Nutting had an eye opening moment. It seemed like his guys were doing a great job and they did do a lot well. They excelled in free agent signings and killed it on trades. Then past few years you see what Cole Morton meadows glasnow did somewhere else and how fast they became super stars and wow. I am interested in seeing what pirates do next few years.
Pirate fans are brutal on Nutting on here but I don’t think he is a bad owner. He spends money. Their payroll is always low because they are smart and have young good players and not expensive old washed up ones. Teams have finally after decades realized it isn’t a good idea to pay 30 year olds hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you really want the pirates having guys like cespedes Ellsberg Reyes cueto pujols Hamilton Fowler cano Sandoval Davis homer Zimmerman price fielder Hayward artists etc. Yeah sometimes these huge contracts pay off. More often they end up being waste of money. I don’t know why teams do it especially with guys who are so obviously stupid to sign. Ellsberry who’s game is speed based, well most guys lose speed in their 30s. Arrieta looked like a declining pitcher, warning signs should of went up like crazy when cubs didn’t resign him. Now the past few years and future upcoming years you have more under 30 guys as free agents. Signing them is a lot safer then giving a 30 something huge money but a lot can happen in 8 to 10 years.
Ejemp2006
You pay to get a guaranteed MLB player, which is super hard to find. Even the bad contracts usually result in a guy in a jersey on the field helping an owner produce a product.
jimmyz
That would be acceptable logic except the team has literally not signed a free agent to a major league deal, even for a 1 million salary, in 3 out of 4 offseasons now. Big deals backfiring isn’t even close to any concern of a Pirates fan. We simply hope for ANY free agent deals.
DonB34
Yeah, that guy talking big contracts has no idea what the Pirate way is. Have they EVER paid anyone over $11 Million for a season? I knoow a bunch of guys got team friendly extensions, then got traded before the contract went over $11 Million. And it’s true, they have signed 0 free agents for 3 of the last 4 seasons. Lonnie Chissenhall was their big expenditure…. GREAT MOVE! Nutting didn’t even mention strengthening the team via free agency, he said international signings, trades, and the draft. Keep ’em young and inexpensive Bob, while we former season ticket holders have found other legitimate teams to watch.
jtkuch
The past few years the Pirates have COMPLETELY ignored free agency, and not just the huge contracts like you mentioned. The largest free agent contract ever given out by the team was 3 years/$36M. EVER. That’s embarrassing for any team that wants to take winning seriously. We’re not asking for huge splash free agents, just ones that fill needs and can be any kind of productive. You don’t need to spend $100M for that.
billbucs
Not understanding why you would call that embarrassing… I think it’s wise.
TheTrotsky
Why is that wise? You can’t field a good team without putting quality players out there. And you need to spend money to have quality players. It’s not wise at all, it’s robbery.
Drew Waters Bat
With an idiotic statement like that you must be Bob Nutting himself. I think you do a lot of feeling and not much in the way of actually thinking. I’m a Braves fan and it’s clear to the rest of baseball what a trash owner you are. Your embarrassing yourself.
jtkuch
Sure it’s wise, if you don’t care at all about winning. You sound like a Nutting burner account.
jabgdn
Is this Bob Nuttings personal mouthpiece?
Guy4thenorth
Hmmmm….. Having a certain closer in the clubhouse couldn’t have helped chemistry.
Theghostoftycobb
I sense mediocrity for the next 5 years.
jbeerj
They’d have to overachieve to be mediocre.
jimmyz
So Nutting openly says “We do not have enough talent to be as good as we need to be” then lists several ways to improve the talent base in the organization while glaringly omitting the easiest path. Spend some money! Or expect your fans to be as cheap as you
bbatardo
Only 68 million payroll? That’s a slap in the face to the fans who support them. Money doesn’t always buy winning, but you have to try.
Lovinmlb
Good input ejemp and jimmy. Just trying to figure out what fans thinking is on things. I get why teams sign these huge free agents. At least most of them. Some guys I am baffled on. Just in pirates case it would be a bad situation to have a 20 or 30 million dollar guy or 2 not being able to play or playing at league average or worse.
I just can’t recall in 2013 to 2017 when pirates were playoff caliber team saying oh they should of signed this guy. They could of afforded to bump the payroll from 100 million to 130 at least but I don’t remember anyone out there that made since for them at time. Seems to me they get a bad rap for being cheap. I see them just being thrifty. They locked up clutch marte and couple other outfielder. Didn’t cost a ton but smart move and money was spent. They needed a catcher and signed the best most expensive one available martin. Locked up liriano and nova. Brought Burnett back. Who did fans want them to sign that made since and they didnt sign? I get it. It’s easy to say cheap bad owner should sign people and make team better. But buying players just to increase payroll doesn’t always make sense or help.
DonB34
Well for starters, Pirates had Gaby Sanchez and John Jaso at 1st base while trying to contend. That wasn’t going to cut it. They had a chance to get 2 years of David Price from the Rays in 2014 but weren’t willing to give up Tyler Glasnow and Alan Hansen. Both ended up leaving Pittsburgh anyway with only washed up Archer to show for it, while losing more of their potential future along with Glasnow (Meadows, Baz). Really all that was needed was a better 1st baseman (like the Morneau trade) and/or one starter better than Jeff Locke.
doyerblue32
There seems to be a lot of uncertainty for the future of all the NL Central clubs right now
Lovinmlb
Agree. I am interested in this division. Brewer’s seemed to of lost a ton more than they replaced. Cubs young controllable talent isn’t cheap anymore. Is goldschmidt going to be elite or are his best days behind him? Did reds do enough to contend? Who are pirates going to trade? I would pick cards to win.
SumTingWong
just yesterday I told my Mom that I know Nutting. & her reply was , ‘tell me something that I don’t already know ” .
shortytallz
Spend Nutting. Win Nutting.
extreme113
Too many poor decisions from Huntington’s evaluators.
BFFLR
Seems like most vocal Pirate fans just want Pittsburgh to just throw money at over priced free agents and that will fix everything. The organization is broken thanks to the previous management team all the way down the minors. It’s going to take some time to fix and wasting money on band aids now isn’t the answer. I am willing to trust this new management team to fix what is wrong with the structure of the organization. Once they start functioning like a real MLB team, I believe Nutting will be more receptive to spending more $$$$. We can hope!
rusty2489
He/they didnt spend when they were contending or add to team to help push them over the top. Why would he start spending more now? Or even in a couple of years? they let their window close on them by not adding anyone of significance. poor minor league to major league transition of development was also horrible.
tiredolddude
Nope. That would be a pipe dream. The real crime here was the idea to approach trades with no overall plan. Give away vets, decide not to resign some and then amazingly, give away your top prospects, too
All of the “stars” who were here and now somewhere else would have been okay with fans if you had developed a pipeline
As is, there is nothing on the horizon other than infielders
And you’re right, why spend on FA’s unless you’re going to restock the entire team
And most telling, I’ll echo what someone above said: not sure that trading guys like Marte, Bell or anyone else is going to quickly remake your threadbare minor league system in terms of outfielders, pitchers and catchers
Bell is an intriguing stick with an iron glove at 1st and no real promise in the OF
Marte is wildly indisciplined when it comes to curve balls and has this on/off switch when it comes to hustle
jtkuch
Until the new management team actually does anything of note, I’ll still say the jury is out on trusting them. As for spending, no one is saying they need the top free agents. But the level they’ve historically spent at, even when competing, is downright embarrassing. It’s only defensible if they’re the best of the best at developing prospects, which history has also shown they’re far, far from. There are reasonably priced free agents every year that can fill needs and be productive, we just want those every now and then.
Lastplace4eva
The amount of people still defending Nutting is just insane! I don’t think anyone is implying they go out and get a Harper or Strasburg, especially right now. Yes they did do a pretty good on building the 3 wild card teams while catching lightning in a bottle. But what did they do the following year. The core was still there and they ripped it down. Basically taking the money and running. It’s like that poker player that wins one decent hand,leaves the table and never plays again. I don’t even remember the rotation they went with that year because I try to block that from my memory. Also during those playoffs years they did a good job at adding at the deadline but like one of the commenters said above they needed one more bat and a starting pitcher that could have been had. The Sanchez and Jaso comment was also dead on. Neither of them were even Major Leaguers and one was a leadoff hitter and the other was cleanup. I know we shouldn’t dwell on the past and I know it doesn’t make sense to sign anyone now but I guess my point is that when that time comes they will sit back and do nutting. This Cherington guy may or may not be a good GM but that will never matter. No matter how well he trades,drafts and developes his hands will always be tied when it comes to spending anything even close to league average. I will always be a Bucco fan but this will be my 4th year of not visiting PNC park (I used to attend 8-10 games a year). Maybe this will be the year that the schedule works in my favor to attend a road series.
cbee
Maybe if the Pirates trade Archer and he goes somewhere else and sees success…it’ll be enough to drive Nutting mad and give up on baseball.
retire21
If only. (Sigh)
jtkuch
You would think the entire fan base hating on him and boycotting going to the games would do it, but nope. He’s still making money on this team before a single butt hits a seat on opening day. Why would he sell? That’s all he cares about.
dynasty in boston
Pirates will never be relevant with Nutting as their owner. He’s interested in only getting a piece of CBT pie. I’m not saying owning a team shouldn’t turn a profit. But having a new park with league lowest payroll doesn’t translate to success
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Huntingdon was fired for no longer being able to turn chicken blank into chicken soup.
But, meanwhile, what has changed?
Cherington seems to like Huntingdon’s players more than him. Can’t remember any team having less turnover than the Pirates this offseason.
I always thought that DK hated Huntingdon so much, it had to be personal. Until I realized that he doesn’t criticize the owner. He excuses him while he finds a way to blame everyone else.
So, they put the blame on the previous management, as if it was their choice to have low payrolls and limited resources. And locals (in most places) love scalps, so they offered a few up and now have bought themselves years of excuses.
This year will be an “evaluation year”, they’ll trade Marte to get down to $60 million and then unload a few more like Archer and (they hope) Polanco.
Then next year, they’ll finally admit to a rebuild and ask for 3-5 years of patience.
All the while, running $50 million payrolls.
Whatever it takes to get to the end of the lease.
If he was ever going to invest in the team, it would have been while they were renegotiating their TV deal, and they still didn’t.
joew
The biggest problems in 2019 where Catching and Pitching. The only thing that has addressed this is a new pitching staff. Now. Seeing what Cole, Morton and Glassnow did fairly recently this could make a huge difference. If they would’ve had a middle of the pack rotation/pen that would’ve likely given the pirates a much better record, If a new pitching coach can help them to be better this would be a huge step
A Catch tandem that wasn’t at the bottom of the pack would have greatly helped as well. This really hasn’t been addressed at all. some MiLB signings for depth and letting Diaz go, not the worst things but not adding anything at the MLB level is an issue and the pickings are pretty slim right now.
Next problem was Moran. He just couldn’t field. He is a great bench bat.. but on defense whew. There are a couple out there still that would likely help out, but nothing exciting.
2020, probably be a much better team, hard to get much worse. But likely not .500 with out addressing catching and third base especially.
after the break some on the team pretty much gave up, Or appeared too. Motivation and Optimism will also help, at least yearly on.
army123456
Bob, spend some freaking money and bring a few players in. Quit being a cheap skate.
Jpeezie
The issue for Bucco fans has never been spending big but rather knowing when to spend. 2013: we needed OF and 1B and we got Byrd and Morneau. Had 94 wins lost in division round to Cards.
Here’s why I’m a former Pirate fan and I’ve adopted my wife’s team the Nats. 2014 season we stand pat, get lucky with Josh Harrison and win 88 games losing in the WC game. This was the time to pull the trigger and go all in. Go win a WS. Make the trade for Price who cares if it’s a disaster. Instead they chose to build a team that would be competitive. We had a top 3 player in the game in Cutch. We just try and add price and I love our chances. Guess what 2015 we had 98 wins and lost in WC; Price may have helped. It’s not that we didn’t sign Hayward or Ellsbury, it’s that we didn’t try bc why win a WS when you can compete for 8 years! It’s a waste of time as a fan. KC went and got Cueto and won a WS with their core, Astros got Verlander, Cubs go Zobrist and won. They all tried, took a chance on their core and invested in the right type of player to put them over the top. Now my son will be a Steeler and Pens fan but we only buy him Nats gear bc at least they try to win. They lost the two best FA each of the past two offseasons and I could feel better about investing my time in them as a fan. Heck with that jagoff Nutting and heck with the worst announcers in baseball while I’m at it. This was cathartic. Go Nats
Coal tender
I wonder if Bob Nutting is related to former Steeler center Ed Nutting from the early 1960’s?
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Coal-I think that you mean Buzz Nutter who was a pretty good center for about five years before Ray Mansfield took over.
goblue5
Bob Nutting’s comments are nonsense. It does not take a lot of time to figure out the farm system is not stacked. To use this as an excuse while everybody else in the NL Central improves by spending money wisely is absurd.
Samuel
Tell us what free agent player(s) would rather come to the Pirates rather then the other 4 AL Central teams, and how said player(s) would get them last of last place.
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Samuel-Valid question.Some of these commenters are knowledgeable,some are just yinzers who complain,and some do not know what the heck they are talking about at all.Follow it for awhile and you will figure out who is who.
I think that Nutting runs this team like a business but he does not understand that it is much more than that to all true fans of the Pirates.In that respect his father should take over the team.
The Pirates main problem is that their scouting and development have not kept pace with some of the well run small market teams.NH trades were generally very good but he did not augment the roster for depth purposes and paid the price.Nutting’s biggest mistake was giving both his manager and general manager four year extensions after two less than mediocre years.Poor ownership decision.
I hope that the new management team can turn it around and it seems like Nutting made good hires but I do not believe that he understands baseball and is afraid to vary from the plan when he needs to do so.
But the bottom line in baseball is that the small market teams will never really be able to compete for championships unless all of the stars are aligned once every thirty years or so.
NobButting
Everyone needs to relax. In fact, I know a couple ski resorts that you can check out. The 19 new HKD Impulse R-5 Tower Snow Guns are using a reduced amount of compressed air on the Avalanche Slope. Hard times call for desperate measures.
Lastplace4eva
Why are people still even mentioning Polanco? Maybe he bounces back(doubt it) but he is irrelevant at this point.
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He is relevant because he is their starting right fielder.