The Cardinals and Athletics were first linked to Matt Wieters during the Winter Meetings, and a month after those initial reports, The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal tweets that St. Louis and Oakland continue to have interest in the veteran backstop. Wieters served as the Cards’ backup catcher last season, hitting .214/.268/.435 with 11 home runs over 183 plate appearances and 67 games — perhaps more playing time than was expected, given that workhorse Yadier Molina was limited to 113 games due to thumb injuries. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch notes (Twitter link) that the Cardinals have an offer out to Wieters and are hopeful of a reunion, to the point that a locker has been kept open for Wieters. The A’s would also be looking to use Wieters as a backup catcher behind promising youngster Sean Murphy, though Wieters could potentially have a larger role if Murphy were to struggle in his first full MLB season.
More from the NL Central…
- Nolan Arenado has been frequently mentioned as a trade possibility for the Cardinals, though Ben Frederickson of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch feels a potential deal with the Rockies “probably won’t” happen. Roadblocks include Arenado’s contract, which is both expensive and contains an opt-out clause after the 2021 season. While Arenado is a clear upgrade over virtually any other third baseman in the game and Matt Carpenter is coming off a rough 2019 campaign, Carpenter’s presence as the Cards’ in-house third base option further complicates matters since Carpenter is unlikely to carry much trade value. In terms of moving him to another position, Paul Goldschmidt has first base covered, and Frederickson writes that “the team has thoroughly dismissed the notion of Carpenter spending time in the outfield again.”
- The Reds’ offseason plans put an early priority on Shogo Akiyama, and the outfielder told reporters (including The Athletic’s C. Trent Rosecrans) that Cincinnati was the first team to make him a contract offer. “I was very inspired by their passion for how much they really wanted me. I wanted to respond to that. That’s why I chose the Reds,” Akiyama said via an interpreter. Several other teams had interest in Akiyama’s services, though the Reds came out on top with a three-year, $21MM deal with the center fielder. Akiyama becomes the first Japanese player in Reds history, and Rosecrans’ piece explores how the team has looked to improve its Asian scouting practices in recent years, as former Reds GM Walt Jocketty preferred to focus Cincinnati’s international signing efforts towards Cuban players (i.e. Raisel Iglesias, Aroldis Chapman).
- With Jedd Gyorko now in the fold, Brewers GM David Stearns told reporters (including MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy) that he is “comfortable” with the club’s remodeled infield. “We feel like we have a number of players who fit in a variety of different ways, and that’s really helpful,” Stearns said. “It gives us options. It gives us depth. It allows us to see not only how the rest of the offseason unfolds, but how the first part of the season unfolds, in terms of how we want to structure a roster, how we want to play different players.” Many of the Brewers’ infield pickups (Gyorko, Luis Urias, Eric Sogard, Ryon Healy) have multi-position capability, while first base has also been addressed with Justin Smoak as the top complement to Ryan Braun, who is slated for time at both first base and in the outfield.
todd76
Bring back the downvote!
Nuke LaLoosh
Bring back Baseball Blogs Weigh In.
steelerbravenation
Ohhhh yeah I miss those on Sundays
StlSwifty
I read a report saying the cardinals offer was liberatore, Hudson, Cmart, and O’Neill for arenado. Not sure if this was real, but it would be a huge overpay if it was IMO.
hollidayfever
That’s got to be total BS. Arenado’s deal has 0 surplus value. There’s 0 reason for the Cards to overpay for him.
Maurice Lock
Why? They overpaid Molina. And Mikolas. And Carpenter.
StlSwifty
Agreed. I say let the kids play.
gorav114
I agree, One of the best features they have ever had
cygnus2112
For the love of all things good, follow through on these demands or we’ll march with pitchforks I’ll tell you what…
stevewpants
Bring back Dim Tillard!!
i like al conin
I enjoyed his contributions.
spidah_carbone
if the cardinals let matt carpenter block them for Arenado theyre full of themselves!!!
tbone0816
I agree!! Why not put Carpenter in the deal!!
cards04
Because the Rockies wouldn’t want Carpenter
gfilla
Nobody should want Carpenter!
Robust Scouting
Judging by the overstocked shelves, nobody wants his salsa or cereal either.
stan lee the manly
Say what you want about his numbers, but his salsa is dam good, get that heresy out of here
RedFeather
Here’s an idea..
Trade Paul DeJong, Tyler Oniell, and Kinzer for Alenado. Shift Tommy Edman to SS and slot Alenardo at 3B.
Batting order:
1. Fowler (RF)
2. Edman (SS)
3. Goldschmidt (1B)
4. Alenado (3B)
5. Dylan Carlson (LF)
6. Molina (C)
7. Wong (2B)
8. Bader (CF)
9. Pitcher
RedFeather
O’Neill** Knizner**
Ieatwaffleswithsyrup
Its Arenado, not Alenado, and he is the best 3B in the league.
Getting a low end SS, 4th OF, and the 4th best prospect in the Cardinals system is not going to do it.
RedFeather
Its autocorrect so don’t be a D bag. Low end SS in DeJong is ridiculous. ONeill has the potential to rake in that stadium and would provide a spark for the Rockies Old and depleted OF. And the biggest need for the Rockies is a catcher. So bro/brah.. less edibles and more research.
Nuggethoarder
The Cardinals would not trade Paul DeJong for Arenado straight up. Arenado is paid a market rate; if the Cardinals wanted a market rate All-Star at 3B they could have just signed Tendon and keep their other players.
Colorado will need to either eat a lot of Arenado’s contract, or accept a poor return. Especially while Josh Donaldson is still out there, offering elite production at 3B for equal to or less than what Arenado is being paid. I doubt he gets traded.
pinkerton
You’re a fool.
Don’t blame anything on autocorrect.
Nuggethoarder
Haha, Rendon…
hiflew
Doesn’t autocorrect change the spelling to an actual word? Last time I checked, Alenado is not an actual word. Just admit you made an error and move on.
Munkes2
So have you ever heard of this guy named Trevor Story… Yea hes pretty good… Prolly just barely good enough to hold DingDong from playing SS in Colorado , plus the Rockies have a ton of middle INF prospects coming through , Hampson, Rodgers, McMahon… So this trade is pretty dumb… And if you knew much about the Rockies youd know they need pitching , a catcher, a CF …. So most likely youd be dealing Bader, Liberatore, Reyes, Kinzer and prolly Dex to shed some payroll
cygnus2112
Put down the glass chicken dude, you’re inebriated….
tyhart12
Wrong. You don’t have to accept a poor return when you have the best 3B in baseball. And Knizer, O’Neill, and DeJong are not even close to moving the needle but that’s cute you think so. Karlson, and Gorman is a good start to your package if you want the best 3B in baseball currently
hollidayfever
Lol. Now it’s clear that you’re just an average clueless gas station fan with these terrible takes. Seriously Gorman and Carlson are a good start? LOL. Neither one of them would ever be included in such a deal. The Cardinals could have had Rendon, who is younger and technically better than Arenado, for about the same money with 0 prospects given up. Why TF would the pay more than that in the form of a boatload of prospects for Arenado?
Nuggethoarder
I don’t think a trade with Nolan Gorman as the headliner is out of the question. The Cardinals motivation in trading for Arenado (vs. paying Rendon) would be centered around a reduction in Arenado’s salary. Gorman, Fowler, and a couple pitching lottery tickets…maybe that is close? Fowler in there as salary dump for the Cards, to give them the value they seek.
I just have a hard time seeing teams lining up to take on Arenado’s salary and pay with a ton of talent to do so. Similar to the Stanton situation in 2018. No argument on the quality of the player, just the value with the contract included. And I don’t see Colorado moving Arenado for a light return…so I think he stays put.
Fivehead
I’m a cards fan and O’Neill will not take in any stadium if he cannot make contact. He has pretty muscles for sure. And you can always override your autocorrect you know.
Fivehead
I’m a cards fan and O’Neill will not rake in any stadium if he cannot make contact. He has pretty muscles for sure. And you can always override your autocorrect you know.
spudchukar
Sure the Rockies are going to shed salary and take on Carpenter’s.
iml12
Carpenter has a full no trade.
live42day
Carpenter would probably accept that trade because he could thrive in Colorado and maybe actually get a decent contract when his is over. However, Cards won’t do this deal in my opinion unless they can buy out the opt out in a new contract for Arrenado.
iml12
Cards messed up when they extended him for no reason. 2 overpaid years is harder to swallow than one. Not sure why lifetime cardinal, Matt carpenter, would want to leave a contender to rot in Colorado. This is the reason these guys add no trade clauses.
CardsNation5
Super Facts!
CardsNation5
Carpenter has no trade value
Maurice Lock
I’ll correct that. Carpenter has no value.
RedFeather
Why would Arenado waive his no trade clause to go anyway else? His splits are not the best. Why not crush homeruns in Colorado over the next two years and enter free agency? I would love to see Arenado I’m STL but it makes no sense for him. I do see the Cardinals making a late push for Donaldson though. Maybe a 3 year deal until Gorman is ready? I know he is looking for 4 to 5 but a 3 year 80 million contract would get it done.
stan lee the manly
It does make sense for someone who is sick of not having a chance to win, it’s more than just dollar bills for him wanting to move.
RedFeather
No at this point it’s $$. He’s still young and waiting to get his big deal. After that, yes maybe he goes to a contender to win.
stan lee the manly
He has publicly stated that he wants a chance to win and wants to be traded if the Rockies won’t do that. It came out of his mouth dude.
Nuggethoarder
Arenado is on a seven year, $234 million deal. He’s been paid. Maybe he wants to cash in again after the opt out.
Stromalama 2
Because he wants to win and Colorado isn’t going to do that.
SalaryCapMyth
Your package for Arenado seems pretty bleh. None of them have produced at a high level. I admit I don’t know the Cardinals system well but I don’t think any of them were ever highly regarded prospects either. The Rockies would do better than this in a trade.
Nuggethoarder
DeJong is an elite defender at SS, with an average bat. That’s worth a lot. Cardinals wouldn’t trade him straight up for Arenado, and it is all about contracts not skill level. Arenado is clearly a better player, but he is getting paid market rate. DeJong is on a very team-friendly deal.
tyhart12
If the Rockies offered Arenado straight up for DeJong the Cardinals would jump instantly…you over value DeJong. He’s a league average. Nothing more. And doesn’t move the needle for anyone in a trade. And not as good as Trevor Story and Brendan Rodgers who are both in Colorado already. Carpenter has no value either bc he can’t hit or field and there is no way to spin it otherwise
Maurice Lock
Dejong is an elite defender? Are you aware of what elite means?
cards04
Look at his stats before you talk dumb arse he is definitely elite
Nuggethoarder
DeJong is not league average. Last year the defensive component of fWAR rated him at 18.5 runs…better than any year in Arenado’s career. Outs Above Average pegged him at 13 last year…7th among all defenders in baseball. Defensive numbers are not perfect, but multiple sources grade him as a top defender at a very challenging position. He was worth 4.1 fWAR in 2019. Arenado, 5.8. So yes, Arenado is better!
But they way FO grade trades these days includes a value component. If Arenado is getting traded for players of value, the Rockies will need to eat a corresponding amount of his contract. If they traded Arenado for DeJong one for one…it would be a big chunk of change. I don’t think Arenado for DeJong is even remotely possible, just for very different reasons than those presented by you. 🙂
Maurice Lock
I’ll say it again. Dejong is NOT elite. You can throw out all these made up defensive sabre stats you want.
Nuggethoarder
Oh, now I understand. Thanks.
Maurice Lock
You’re welcome.
Ejemp2006
Arenado, Desmond, Blackmon, Shaw, and Davis to the Twins for Buxton, SwissG, and Sano.
Twins go for the gusto.
Rox fast forward a rebuild.
hiflew
What exactly are you smoking?
Ejemp2006
Who says no? The Rox won’t win with those contracts but the Twins would. Plus, Sano would be Ruthian in Colorado and give the fans something to toot for while the rebuild occurs.
Doug Dueck
I read somewhere that a team has already offered him a contract for 3 years and 80 – 85 M so St Louis would have to do better than that to have a chance at signing Donaldson.
spidah_carbone
the cardinals should do nothing short of trading anyone besides dejong, and carlson/gorman. literally give them anything of value they want.
tyhart12
So give up nothing to get the best 3B in baseball. Lol good one. You have to give up value to get value. Cardinals fans are so dumb and over value everyone on their roster. Maybe DeJong, Fowler, and Carpenter for Arenado, Story, and Blackmon ..typical Cards can type offer
Binnington50
Thank you for lumping all Cardinals fans in under one umbrella. Well done idiot.
Payne Train
Hart – thinking that Arenados 35 mil a year and an opt out after two isn’t a big deal . Well then I’ll just lol about that and make an assumption that you have zero baseball intelligence. No one is giving up a large, talent driven – or high prospect driven package for Arenado.
If Arenado was contracted for 20-25 mil a year, without an opt out, that would be a different story…. You dumb
MoRivera 1999
Arenado is worth way more than $20-$25MM. He’s worth his contract, in fact. But I agree, the contract does significantly constrain what the Rockies can expect in return, because first you have to identify what teams are willing to take on a $35MM contract, of which there ain’t many. Then you can talk about what players/prospects they’re willing to toss on top of assuming that salary, again, while considering the possibility of only 2 years of service. I’m thinking not much.
the.sophisticant
I also agree!!! I’m very agreeable.
jorge78
OK…..
notagain27
Milwaukee’s lack of team speed will continue really haunt them. Having players that can stand in multiple positions means very little if they don’t have the ability to get to a batted ball. You have to play defense to get to October.
Eatdust666
You also have to have a good offense to get to play in October, because even if you have a really good pitching staff, you will not go anywhere if your offense is bad. However, even if your offense is fantastic, you usually will miss the playoffs if your pitching is bad, even though there have been some exceptions, such as the 2007 Phillies, but that was also largely due to Mets horrendous choke in the last 20 games of the season.
Vandals Took The Handles
@ notagain27;
You’ve just explained why I don’t understand the Reds move to sign Moose to a 4 year contract to play 2B.
Yekatman
Last time I checked the Crew had two guys in their outfield who had won Gold Gloves. And Arcia at Short has range like nobody’s business.
spudchukar
Yeah, hard to see how Arenado fits. Granted he makes any team better, but the Red Birds also have to find playing time for Edmman who is on the verge of being a star. He is more than capable in the outfield, but his defensive skills are somewhat negated there, and he isn’t going to see much playing time with DeJong and Wong fixtures, plus he isn’t an upgrade defensively there. He can spell them, but needs ABs somewhere. He could platoon with both Carpenter and Fowler at third and RF, and I imagine that is the plan.
Vandals Took The Handles
Just a clickbait article….
Cardinals have 3 quality 3B prospects, of which one is their top prospect.
With his opt-out clause, Arenado s basically a 2 year rental…..but worse. Because of an injury concern, that contract is worse then trading for a a player with 2 years left on his. If Arenado has a major injury in the next 2 years, the team that takes that contract is on the hook for an additional $160-plus million.
Vandals Took The Handles
Ask the Yankees and their fans if they’d like to redo the Stanton trade.
MoRivera 1999
I feel pretty good that Stanton will be worth his $26MM in 2020. And he was worth more than $25MM in 2018. If you track the numbers and set aside thinking that he’s worth nothing if he doesn’t hit 59 HR’s, I think the jury’s out as to how this contract works out. He stands a decent chance of making it work. After all, he tops out at $32MM and drops back down to $25MM on the back-end, all at a time when high-end AV’s will be hitting $40MM+. He doesn’t have to be an MVP for this deal to work. Just a star. I think he’ll do that. The key will be injuries. That can go either way. If he stays on the field most of the time, it’ll work. I’m still good with it.
jbigz12
Projecting a guy who couldn’t stay healthy during his “prime” to do that into his middle to late 30’s is a fools game. That deal does not look good. You can cross your fingers and hope for a miracle, but we have a body of evidence that suggests that deal is going to be underwater.
The Yankees have the capacity to deal with a bad deal like that though. It certainly won’t be crippling to them. But Nonetheless it was a poor investment.
bdpecore
In nine full seasons, Stanton has only played 140+ games four times. In all four seasons he posted a WAR above 4.0 which is about what he needs to consistently produce in order for his salary to not be considered negative value. I’m not sure he will be able to provide a surplus of value in the next 2-3 seasons to offset them paying a declining version in the latter years of his deal. But as someone else mentioned, the Yankees can afford to have a couple negative value contracts on their books and still prosper.
nmahan1984
Top prospect? I thought Carlson was an OF?
paindonthurt
Edman is not on the verge of being a star.
Polymath
I remember when you said that about Mike Trout, Anthony Rendon, and Javier Baez. Sometimes it happens.
tyhart12
5 tool guys drive in more than 36 runs and have more than 11 HR and 17 doubles and steal 15 bases in 92 games and 325+ Plate Appearances. Don’t try to oversell a guy lol jeez. Also they hit better than .182 in the post season
hollidayfever
Boy you have the worst takes I’ve read in a long while, and yet you speak with such unwavering conviction, despite providing no tangible supporting evidence for any of these claims.
spudchukar
Check his 2019 numbers. 5-tool guy with a Baseball IQ that is off the charts. You may well eat those words.
Stromalama 2
A smart franchise doesn’t let Matt Carpenter or Tommy Edman block them from getting the best 3rd baseman in the game.
MoRivera 1999
You’re right. The key is what are you willing to give up for what may well be a two-year rental? That’s thw whole problem. In two years you might be right back where you started, a couple players/prospects or more in the hole.
themed
One way or another I believe the Cards are going to land Arenado IF Colorado is serious about dealing him. The Rockies have a tough time enticing top tier free agent pitchers to go there. The Cards are rich in young pitching. No other team interested could match up with them like the Cards can.
chicagofan1978
Look at themed acting like he knows anything about other teams.
themed
I knew the Cards were going to beat the cubs last year also.
chicagofan1978
And? Those are the only two teams you know anything about, you may or may not like the Cardinals but we know you hate the Cubs. Other than that what other team do you know?
Robust Scouting
Themed is more worthless than Michael Girsch.
steelerbravenation
You must be a Card fan
He will be a Brave
DarkSide830
weird way to spell Donaldson
throwinched10
The Brewers are comfortable with Healy, Smoak, Braun, Hiura, Sogard, Urias, Arcia, and Gyorko as infield options? YIKES! Hiura is the only one worth noting in that group. Braun is old and hasn’t played much 1b and is a walking bandaid. Smoak never lived up to his hype. Urias is all potential at this point but TBD on him. Sogard showed a little bit last year but he’s still meh. The rest are gross.
jabrandt
Agree completely. Brewers seem to have compiled a team very capable of about 75 wins
2id
Just like the two previous seasons? Oh wait…never mind.
throwinched10
Grandal, Moustakas, and Thames are gone…among others. Brewers have a team that is worse than last season.
bdpecore
Brewers replaces most of the offensive production lost by Grandal, Moose by adding Narvaez and Garcia. Smoak should put up similar numbers to Thames but not be limited to only facing RH pitchers. And which players are you referring to be “among others”? Shaw, Aguilar, Jeffress, Saladino, Spangenburg? They were all black holes last year. As for Pomeranz, he pitched less than 30 innings last season so a healthy Knebel for 3/4 of a season should provide a bigger boost than Drew did last year. Did I forget anyone?
timzap2000
Yes I’m unabashedly a Cardinal fan but a tip of the hat to the Brewers. They are the best in MLB IMO at getting great value from the bargin bin. An underappreciated skill in today’s big money game.
solaris602
Very clearly MIL opted for quantity over quality this winter, and I’m sure the FO is quite satisfied from a payroll perspective. They MIGHT get lucky if most of those players approach their potential this year, but if the intent was to create an above replacement level composite player with a group of very average players, it’s not likely to be successful from a production standpoint.
jkinser20
Don’t do it @cardinals. I’d much rather see them sign Castellanos. The OF logjam is cleared now and since we were able to deal with JMart in RF for the last 2 years, we can sacrifice some OF defense if we sign castellanos. Plus Bader can run down a lot of his would be fly balls anyways. Make it happen
Nuggethoarder
I don’t see why they traded a cheap, poorly defending outfielder who can hit well so they could pay a lot of money for a poor defending outfielder who can hit well. Martinez and Castellanos aren’t that different…2019 was rough for Martinez; he was injured.
jkinser20
Castellanos is 10x the hitter Martinez is. Cardinals had one of the best defenses in the league last year and one of the worst offenses. The easiest way to improve the offense would be to sign Castellanos and bite the bullet in RF.
hollidayfever
Castellanos isn’t good. Enough with the guys who are above average bats, but horrendous defenders. Tyler O’Neill is deserving of a chance to prove it, with Carlson waiting in the wings.
Maurice Lock
Castellanos is no good? Ok Branch. Whatever you say.
nealer
Notice no mention of Arica
Karlander
Apart. from Braun, one thing’s for sure about the Brewers infield: Its Cheap! They have so many infielders some will have to become starting pitchers or end up in San Antonio.
Makes me laugh now, the volumes of articles this off season by the sports media linking the Brewers to star players. I don’t think so !
MannyPineappleExpress9
News flash. Not every infielder Stearns signed was a big league deal. So yeah, 1 or 2 will likely be at AAA. you might know that if you read the full details instead of reading the players name, and rushing to make a lame comment about how supposedly 90% of fans don’t know who they are.
Karlander
I think it’s true that most fans didn’t know several of the Brewers acquisitions. I think a couple of the Brewers acquisitions are very good. Garcia, Urias, and Navaraez are solid adds. But what is a damn shame is that they apparently do not wish spend close to last year. If you take some of what Stearns has done thus far and now spend up to last years 122 million you would have a very, very good team. It’s their fiscal decisions but as they are now I see them as no better than third in the Central.
bdpecore
So having a GM who is disciplined enough to not chase free agents and offering above future value salaries should be frowned upon? It wasn’t like Stearns refused to make offers to some of the bigger names free agents on the market. He simply bowed out once the bidding got higher thanhenfelt the player was worthZ
bdpecore
*than he felt the player was worth
megaj
Hate to sound like a broken record, BUT once Cubs trade Bryant…Screw the bankroll if it means Arenado to the Cubs. Give them Alzolay, Maples, and a choice of either Hoerner or Amaya. Bryant trade should get back at least two solid prospects to offset it.
ChiSoxCity
That’s definitely not enough value for Arenado. The cvbs will have to offer at least one MLB ready player (Contreras) in addition to their top prosecutor. Hoerner doesn’t have much value either.
Les Chesterfield
Yeah….good luck w that pipe dream
themed
Colorado needs pitching bad. The cubs can’t match the Cards offer if they that’s really what’s on the table.
Munkes2
Only way cubs are getting Nolan is if its a 3 way trade with Philly or rangers … Which I don’t see happening , cause it’ll cost cubs Bryant and Contreras.
Contreras -Heyward- Spencer Howard-Alec Bohm to Rockies
Arenado to cubs
Bryant- Chatwood to Phillies
Cubs free up Money to sign Castillionos
Would prolly be the only move, but I dont see it Happening
therealryan
Arenado is a great player, but I would rather have Bryant on a 2/$45 million contract than Arenado on a 2/$70 million with a 5/$165 million player option deal. One of those deals has the potential to sink 25 or so teams if it goes south. The best part, you think the Cubs would need to add 3 affordable years of an above average catcher to Bryant.
Strike Four
Oakland could make these trades (all were approved in BTV)
Semien to Reds for Sonny Gray
Canha, Pinder and Bassitt for Mookie Betts
Manaea, Fowler and Holmes for Nolan Arenado
CF Laureano
RF Betts
1B Olson
3B Arenado
SS Chapman
DH Davis
LF Piscotty
C Murphy
2B Barreto/Mateo/Machin/Neuse/???
SP: Gray-Luzardo-Puk-Montas-Fiers
Why not break ground on the new stadium and win the title in the same year?
Robust Scouting
Semien for Gray straight up? Beane will want another piece
Les Chesterfield
Gray is locked up for next four seasons at 10 million per vs 1 for semiem. Reds would want the extra piece
Maurice Lock
Reds wouldn’t get one. Sorry.
Cardsfanatik redux
I don’t think your proposals are all that bad. But I don’t think you’re getting Arenado and keeping Luzardo and/or Puk. Just not realistic. And I’m not sure your trade does all that much for Boston either. I know they want to shed salary, but probably not at the cost of Betts. They’ll dumb Price for bargain basement before they give up Betts. They might all add up “value” wise, but they just don’t make total sense from both sides.
throwinched10
I doubt those 3 players are enough to net Betts.
Strike Four
Canha was a 4+ WAR guy last year, who can play CF really well.
Pinder is buried on the depth chart, but if played everyday at 2B/OF, he’d produce.
Bassitt was way better than Porcello last year and can be used in either role.
All for one year of Betts.
Those three players help Boston next year and beyond more than Betts alone does.
its_happening
4+ WAR? A guy was 3.8 WAR in 92 games and 349 plate appearances and you just crapped all over him. His name is Tommy Edman. Yet you’d want your team to splurge on Arenado rather than hold a potential 4-5 WAR at league minimum.
WAR must not matter to you after all. Should stop using it in arguments to support your case.
MoRivera 1999
3 players (Canha, Pinder, and Bassitt) plus $27MM/year for one year of Betts? If anything that’s too much. Not enough? This is why the Red Sox are going to wind up with a fourth round pick for Betts next year.
Les Chesterfield
I love carpenter on the cards ! He performed for a 1/2 a heartbeat and cards gave him the kitchen sink. Lol. No one else wants him
themed
Carpenter will be fine and could be come back player of the year. He’s been solid and anyone can have one down year. Besides he kills the cubs. Hi
uncle mike
Carpenter’s days as an All Star type player are gone!! Too many major injuries to his back and shoulders which will only get worse the rest of his life. His only way to help the club is from the bench as a valued Utility man!! All Star years are a thing of the past for Matt Carpenter!!!!!
jakec77
Uncle mike has opinions!!!!!!! Uncle Mike is very excited about those opinions!!!!!! He has much to say on this topic!!!!!!!
its_happening
Carpenter goes .300/30/100 with a massive OBP if he played in Coors.
its_happening
I’ll take Edman at league minimum over Arenado’s inevitable nosedive in offensive numbers. Not worth unloading Carpenter who’d become an All-Star playing in Colorado again.
Strike Four
please stop posting, ugh what a nightmare-level dumb take
its_happening
Since you couldn’t provide a fact I’d say you’re incorrect. At least you are consistent.
tyhart12
Dumbest thing said on here. Edman over Arenado. Edman had 36 RBI and 11 HR. Lol STUD.
its_happening
In 92 games in just over half a season TyHart. Going after a guy making over $30-mil per season with the inevitable offensive dip playing outside of Colorado would be idiotic. What I said is far from dumb if you know baseball.
MoRivera 1999
Arenado is a top 2 3B in MLB. Edman is….NOT!
its_happening
Arenado is not in the Top 3. Top 2 defensively, yes. Again, we’re talking output versus contract between the two players. But to ask a guy who thinks Arenado is a Top 2 third baseman to read is asking much.
DarrenDreifortsContract
How the hell did Wieters make the all star game in 2014 when he only played in 26 games?
stevewpants
Cuz the fans pick the starters.
Jock2854
Would like 2c Reds pickup Scooter Gennett as a bench player, Reds need 2 solidify other areas, don’t stop making other possible acquisitions, it’s still early
mecousinvinny
Are the Brewers joking about how they have remade their infield for this coming season ???? Those guys stink — they continue to fiddle with their roster and being cheap — I dont see them as no better than 75 win team — Reds – Cubs and Cards are all better teams —
moviemang80
He could start for the Pirates.
moviemang80
Then again… a lot of people could start for the Pirates. But they either won’t offer legitimate starting backstops contracts, or they’d rather be backups somewhere else than play for Pittsburgh.
Either way, it sucks being a Pirates fan watching decent catching options go off the board. Options that could be flipped at the break should they perform.