The MLB arbitration panel has finally issued a ruling on the grievance brought by Cubs star Kris Bryant against the organization, per Jeff Passan of ESPN.com (via Twitter). Bryant will not be granted an additional year of service time, the panel ruled. He will remain under team control via arbitration through the 2021 season.
Bryant (as represented by the MLBPA) had claimed the Chicago organization manipulated the timing of his initial promotion in order to delay his qualification for free agency. It was an argument with some obvious real-world merit, but one that faced major legal hurdles to success.
The expectation around the game all along was that the case would fail, but that couldn’t be known until the decision was formally reached. Now, the Cubs and Bryant have settled expectations … as do other teams with potential interest in trading for the 28-year-old third baseman/outfielder.
It remains difficult to fathom the big-market Cubs parting with a classy, homegrown star who remains a high-quality performer. But there has been persistent chatter surrounding the possibility as the organization looks for creative means of improving. The Cubs reputedly have minimal financial wiggle room owing to a self-imposed pincer of payroll limitations and prior payroll commitments (some underperforming). Bryant agreed to a $18.6MM salary this year and will enter arbitration a final time next winter. He’s earning a huge salary regardless, but there’s little question he’d benefit greatly from the ability to reach free agency one seasons sooner.
We’ll have to see whether talks gain traction over the next two weeks. No doubt teams with interest have already done quite a bit of groundwork with the Cubs, but it was largely hypothetical until this process was completed. There’s still some unmet demand at third base, leaving a potential window to a pre-spring strike.
This ruling also has clear implications for the broader issue of service-time manipulation. While there’s always going to be a big grey area as to a player’s readiness for the majors, it’s an open secret around the game that teams slow the promotions of top prospects to delay their eventual free agency.
MLB rules require at least six full years of service to hit the open market. A player is deemed to have accumulated a service year with 172 days of time spent on the active roster. It’s simple math from there: If a team carries a player on the active roster out of Spring Training, that player (presuming no future demotions) can play six full seasons before reaching free agency. If a team instead waits a couple weeks and promotes the player once there’s less than 172 days left on the MLB calendar, that player can not only suit up for the vast majority of that initial campaign, but would remain under control for six full seasons thereafter.
That’s precisely what happened in Bryant’s case, which presented just about the most compelling possible factual scenario to challenge a team’s decision. As the 2015 season approached, Bryant was widely heralded as a top young talent and had dominated the competition in the upper minors. There was a clear roster opening. He had a monster showing in Cactus League action. The Cubs kept him down to open the year and promoted him on the exact day he could first be called up without reaching a full year of service. As of today, Bryant has 4.171 years of MLB service and will not be eligible for free agency until after the 2021 season.
The Cubs did have a smidgen of evidence to call upon to raise some plausible deniability. They had spoken of Bryant’s need to improve his glovework, though that was rather a thin reed. President of baseball ops Theo Epstein noted he had never introduced a player to the majors at the start of a season, though it was never really clear whether and why he actually held an honest philosophical belief of that sort. (You could also flip that argument on its head to an extent.) The best cover came from the fact that infielders Mike Olt and Tommy La Stella both happened to suffer injuries early in the season, which gave the team a good explanation for the suspicious timing of the promotion.
So, was this simply a case of maximizing the utility of a player within the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement? Or was it improper manipulation of those rules? That depends upon how one interprets the CBA and applies it to the facts at hand. It is not accurate to say that the agreement specifically permits manipulation of this kind; neither does it expressly prohibit the consideration of service time in making promotion decisions or provide a clear standard in this realm. As covered in depth at Fangraphs by Sheryl Ring, every contract has an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. There was an argument here that the Cubs ran afoul of that legal doctrine even if they did not clearly break an express provision of the written contract. Of course, there’s also a wide degree of interpretation and a multitude of factors that go into any decision, so even here there was arguably room for some doubt.
The fair dealing doctrine obviously sets a rather malleable standard — one that relies heavily upon precedent and prior industry dealings, and thereby bleeds into the factual realm. As a practical matter, finding a violation is likely to require a compelling factual situation. Bryant had that from a circumstantial perspective, but perhaps he lacked a smoking gun such as a statement from a top team official acknowledging that service-time manipulation drove the decision. (No such statement is known publicly. Neither is it known what level of discovery of documents or witnesses was permitted, if any.)
Now that the Bryant decision is in place, any future such grievances have a clear reference point. It’s difficult to imagine circumstances that would more clearly point to service-time manipulation. Winning a grievance action, then, will presumably require more — some kind of direct evidence of intent from the organization, perhaps — unless a future player can convince a panel to revisit the underlying legal reasoning.
This decision certainly makes it easier for teams to continue weighing service time heavily in deciding upon promotional timelines. The alternative might even have opened the floodgates to examination of decisions, with a possible need for numerous grievance actions to settle the interpretive landscape. Neither option was altogether appealing.
There’s wide agreement, generally, that the best players ought to be in the majors. But teams are also quite understandably interested in maximizing the value of their players. It’s clear that a rule change of some kind ought to be considered. Trouble is, it’s a situation that lacks an obvious solution. Shifting the number of days that count for a full season of service, for instance, would likely just shift the impact to players on a different developmental timeline. Numerous potential unintended consequences accompany any proposals that have been raised thus far.
ChiSox_Fan
Bye bye!
ChiSox_Fan
Ought to be traded now by end of week.
Scooter on the way.
DarkSide830
honestly i don’t even buy this was holding up a trade. id bet most teams assumed the grievance would be lost anyway, and i dont think they couldn’t have remediated the issue with the Cubs if they lost the year of service time anyway. id be willing to bet even if he won Bryant wasnt simply heading to FA a year early. my bet would have been just some sort of payout, maybe something like $20-$30 million. chances are that wouldn’t transfer to the new team given the grievance was against chicago, and chances are it wouldnt even be on the luxury tax, which is where it would really hurt.
Msusner87
It definitely would hold up a trade. There was a slim chance that teams that teams that traded for him could instantly lose a year. It was unlikely but there was still a chance
DTD_ATL
It definitely held up a trade. Teams weren’t going to trade as much for 1 year as 2 years. And the Cubs would much rather have more and better prospects.
Wise Old Owl
I love it when people are honest. If people don’t start a statement with “honestly or I would be lying if I said…” the. I never believe I hear or read.
Joeyjoejoe
Yeah I’m not sure why you think that. Your statement was confusing enough on how to sort it all out. 1 vs 2 years is a huge difference. Buying teams couldn’t accurately know what to give up and the selling team has two significantly different values to sell. Sure if someone stepped up and bought at the 2 year price the cubs would have sold early. But why would a buying team risk that before it was settled?
This was definitely the hold up. Trade pending. Braves should be all over it.
looiebelongsinthehall
Had virtually no chance of winning as the place to work on this is the CBA. No reason necessary for promoting or not promoting. Such happens every year to many players although none more obvious.
Colorado Red
will be a major issue in the next CBA
Either 5 years to FA, or called up by the all-star break.
This and a salary floor, and the issue that could lead to a strike.
wordonthestreet
Of course it held up a trade and I have more news for you the “grievance” would transfer. Are you nuts to not understand that? You think the Cubs could have traded him last week claiming 2 years of control and then if he won Bryants would not be reduced since he was with a new team? Wow
Hammmbone
I guess that’s what makes you a Wise Old Owl!! That notwithstanding, what the Cubs want in return, and the optics, are holding up the trade. They want a kings ransom for the best player on the team (as they should), but trading Bryant presents a problem for the team that no one wants to admit. In the short term, trading Bryant makes the team worse. In the long run, it may not make the team better. Bryant was a drafted and as a highly touted prospect panned out. If they recieve a couple of good or even great prospects, there is a chance they will never be as good as Bryant is. There is a chance they may not be good at all. To make matters worse, if the team he gets traded to is in the NL, they are making an opponent better. By no means is this a white flag trade, but if you’re not in on a full rebuild, trading your best player doesn’t sit well with fans. BTW, with the Marquee Network starting this season, the Cubs are more attractive w/Bryant than without him.
laswagn
I say if a player is up in the Majors for at least 30 days. Then their clock starts.
stymeedone
Well! I guess thats all that matters then.
alexthegod
It makes a big difference in a trade. Another team would be willing to give up more assets for two yeaers of Bryant as opposed to one. As they said in the article groundwork was most likely already done for each scenario.
The grievance was about getting to free agency one year earlier so I believe if he won he would have been a free agency one year earlier.
teufelshunde4
So you working the next 30 days for free?
andrewgauldin
Thank you old owl. I’ve never heard such wise words.
profhambone2
I believe that would be suicide for the big salaries and the huge TV contracts which rely on high advertising rates. With the cost of seats and concessions the fun family game to take everyone to many times during the season is being reduced to as fewer and fewer are financially capable. And if the revenue goes down so do the salaries……..lose-lose scenario to in my opinion.
desertbull
Do you ever notice that sox fans obsess over Cubs but Cub fans do not give two squats about the Sox?
rondon
Bingo!
BallBag
Lol White Sox fans are so pathetic. Read/Comment Cubs articles more than Cubs fans so pathetic .
Kayrall
Scumbag
ForestCobraAL
BRAVES
RunDMC
Depends on the price.
mistry gm
Dump the whiney little horses ass immediately. His nonsense cost the Cubs a lot!
Catuli Carl
I’ve never encountered a sports fan that is more petty than ChiSox_Fan. It seems like your fandom is 80% hatred of the Cubs and 20% love of the Sox.
reality
Cheer up Carl-Cat.
Although the WINDOW has slammed shut,
You are only 104 years away from another ring.
rondon
And you’re only 104 years away from an original comment.
iml12
More like 99-1 . I can’t remember if he is the one with multiple usernames that mistakenly responded to his own comment without switching or it was some other Sox troll . It’s basically 2 people with 6 usernames. Troll life
ChiSox_Fan
“Ima little 12 year old” username. Nice.
Buck Jones
They are stll searching for the Jays’ “Man In White”.lol
BallBag
You have to specify White Sox. The dominant Sox are from Boston. Chw are their subs.
profhambone2
Are you an atypical Cubs fan and wrote this while sober? Amazing!
greenguy
Let’s see how good Theo is with trading a former MVP with 2 years of control? Interested to see what the return is? Do they throw in a bad contract to help save them dough? Heyward or Kimble?
ChiSox_Fan
Let’s see… if Theo gives the CWS KB and Q, we will give back Cease.
Then it’s almost like the CWS getting KB and Eloy for free, but we are helping the Cubs pay their bills.
Fair enuff.
seth3120
ChiSox on a Cubs thread? Shocking
Yankeesbetterthanyou
Doesn’t matter he sucks like Chicago and their teams. Theeee Yankees win
KnoxReds13
Shocking. Took way too long.
solaris602
I have to wonder how long ago this determination was made and why the announcement took so long. I guess the silver lining is the league didn’t drag it out into spring training.
robray15
That didn’t take long…
Buck Jones
That’s what she said.
Fire Jon Daniels
Anddd trade incoming
rangers13
Daniels should be headed to DFW to catch a flight to OHare like immediately and not return w/o Bryant, Schwarber, Happ or Almora. Unless cost is simply too outrageous.
coupofthecentury
you literally just described how every trade works ever. 1) want a player 2) offer trade 3) either get trade or refuse if offer is too rich
GeoKaplan
That’s a super bold take. Daniels should make a trade, unless the cost is too high.
Rangers29
I agree with @rangers13, if Jon Daniels can’t manage a trade with the cubs for Bryant or Bryant+ than the fanbase will light a fire under his a**. Even though I think he has done a fine job this off-season rejuvenating the pitching, and bringing back Robbie… he promised way too much… He said all off-season that the rangers were in talks with big name 3b and those talks either fizzled out, or never happened. The fans want that “big name” player to attract them to the park next year, and Kluber is the closest thing to that. Make a Bryant trade happen JD, we need it.
garyleet
Cubs are desperate for starting pitchers, so what do the Rangers have to offer? Didn’t see much in their system except Joe Palumbo and imagine he would have to be part of any trade.
Rangers29
Joe Palumbo, Kolby Allard, Taylor Hearns, Johnathan Hernandez, and Brock Burke are all highly regarded pitching prospects for the rangers, and that is also our AAA starting rotation. Those pitchers would be good to come up this season or next season. As for long term, we have Crouse and Winn as our highly regarded future projects.
PEDs
Rangers don’t have anything close to land Bryant,, just a pipe dream … Crouse and Winn are ok, but nothing special… Then taking Jung with those 2 is still a downgrade at 3rd … So what’s the point
Briffle2
They’re so highly regarded that zero of those guys you just mentioned are in the top 100 prospects.
teufelshunde4
Only Crouse is in MLB top 100 prospects, the majority of the rest arent even in Rangers top 30 prospects. Few have been in minors for 5 to 7 years, so many of them have been exposed to Rule 5 draft and remained. Certainly while some will have some major league value, there isnt any clear cut ML ready players here.
Cubs HAVE to have ML ready players, or projectable elite prospects for KB.
If the Cubs are gonna trade their best player of the last 30 seasons, and not piss off fan base they gotta get a haul for him.
hiflew
They COULD if they were to assume a bad contract along with Bryant. Jason Heyward, perhaps?
Richard Cleven
Problem is Rangers don’t match up well with the Cubs. Cubs are looking for MLB near ready pitching. Rangers don’t have that.
ksbywaino
Well, Cubbies should probably keep the man for as long as they can
ChiSox_Fan
Not likely – owners can now pocket more money!
dcart1021
Your obsession is both sad and unbecoming. The Sox are having a solid offseason and putting together a really nice team. Why don’t you focus on being happy about that?
ChiSox_Fan
I can do both.
Can’t you multitask?!
bronyaur
Some Sox fans exhibit an obvious and cringy inferiority complex. It isn’t all Sox fans by any mrans, but his posting history suggests we do in fact have one of those among us.
rondon
The only point he ever has is the one on top of his head.
Catuli Carl
Well that was quick
stan lee the manly
It’s about time, hallelujah. I hope they give an explanation as to why this was dragged out so long for the obvious decision.
ChiSox_Fan
Arbiter on vacation.
Gwynning
To Mars?
phenomenalajs
Well, his trade value goes up
oldtimer
Glad that’s over! Now he can start packing!
cubfanforever
I’m thinking we hear of a major Cub trade within 24 hours.
solaris602
Will it be ATL, LAD, or TEX? Rangers would seem to be the most motivated, but based on the Dodgers’ relative inactivity this winter along with the stalled trade talks with CLE over Lindor, my prediction is he lands in LA. Dodgers have the widest variety of prospect talent to make it happen.
Cubbie75
The only surprise here is that it took so long. It brought enough attention to the issue that it will be addressed in the next CBA, which I believe was the real goal of this grievance.
sidbream1991
Yea, I have to believe he was doing this to prove a point and actually winning would have been a bonus.
dcart1021
If by “he”, you mean Scott Boras, then I agree. From Bryant’s perspective, there was zero risk, only upside. From Boras’s, there’s a potential lottery to be won.
wordonthestreet
There has been enough attention on service time that it would always be an issue in the upcoming negotiations on CBA.
Grievance was pointless. All it did was confirm that when you collectively bargain and specifically allow teams to do what the Cubs did, which was the case here, then shame on you (the union).
The point of the grievance was not to make it a negotiation topic. It already was.
BigFred
What wording could they possibly put into a CBA that would require teams to bring a player up at a certain time?
kodion
At a minimum?
How about shooting for 6 years from the initial date of 40-man rostering?
kidbryant
By changing the service time days. Drol it to 100 days/50 days/1 day. Serv7ce tine should be 1 day on roster=1 year toward service time. MAYBE not count September call ups.
Roll
i like the idea of half year service times so if you are 5 and a half or more years of service time you become a free agent. This way you really have to think about it and its a medium between owners and players.
If you wait til the mid point / all star break of the season you pretty much either out of it or need that big push to get there where a couple of weeks in reality will not make or break it like half a season would.
crumpy24
Finally!!
jawinks
Well I’ll be. This totally changes the future of the organization.
ChiSox_Fan
Cubs should have signed Yolmer!
inkstainedscribe
#Popcorn
bothymam24
I’m actually kind of suprised this came out like this. I mean the Cubs knowingly waited a day just so they can get an extra year of control. I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t the last time we hear about this
No Soup For Yu!
What the Cubs did was scummy, but there is nothing in the rules that requires a club to shape their opening day roster and carry “elite prospects” at the start of the season so they can hit free agency in 6 years instead of 7. This issue will be addressed in the next collective bargaining agreement, we just don’t know how.
nats3256
Hopefully it isnt addressed via a strike.
SimbaHOF2019
This has been SOP for the entire league. They just disguise it a little better than the cubs did.
bigjonliljon
Cubs case was unique. They had 2 3B go down to injury and had no choice but to call him up when they did. they were just lucky the injuries happened when they did opposed to a few days earlier.
Cmurphy
You can add the Nationals for Harper, Astros for Springer, Braves for Acuna to that list of service time manipulation. The Cubs were not the first, nor were they the last ones to do this. Boras thought his best shot was with Bryant to force the issue. The Players’ Union agreed to the service time days. They don’t like it, they can work it into the new contract.
RunDMC
In Acuna’s case though, he ended up signing the largest pre-arbitration contract ever, which makes any service time manipulation void. Does it not?
dcart1021
To be fair, it’s not like the Cubs haven’t offered Bryant a lucrative extension.
iml12
That likely forced his hand on the contract too. The system needs an overhaul.
Richard Cleven
There is no way of knowing if he signs a contract or not. So no. What Atlanta has done is buy out his arb years. Bryant still has arb year. Being a Boras cliant he going FA in another two years.
DarkSide830
its not scummy. they can call him up when they like. whether or not the “it’s standard operating procedure” doesnt even matter.
Hammmbone
I would have to agree. The year he was held back, he was by far the best player on the field in Spring Training. I think he hit like .500 and played solid defense. Subsequently, he has been their best player overall in the last 5 years (injuries notwithstanding)
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
He was held back 10 days not a year.
nats3256
Cubs followed the rules. There are no set measurements on when someone has to be called up to the majors.
mr. g
Did they though? This ruling says otherwise.
nats3256
How did the ruling find otherwise?
mr. g
If it were determined that the Cubs “knowingly delayed” him, Bryant would have won the case. “Otherwise” the Cubs win. And the Cubs won.
Rallyshirt
What other evidence is required to establish the Cubs manipulated his service time? They did it, everyone knows it, but there was no mysterious email stating it specifically? I don’t get it?
mr. g
@Rally, there is also no means of establishing whether or not a player is “ready” for the MLB or not. You can compare them to other minor league players, and potentially say one player is more ready than the other. But there are plenty of AAAA players out there that are evidence that no one ever really knows if someone can handle the MLB or not.
Where are the grievances from the teams for when a player is brought up to early and then flopped? I guess this is just something else for the players to complain about too. “They brought me up to early and ruined me, they owe me millions!”
Sky14
It’s just one of those things, where everyone knows they held him down to gain an extra year but it’s difficult to prove definitively. Without some sort of explicit evidence that they held him down because of service time, they have lots of outs since readiness is subjective. I don’t agree but the ruling isn’t surprising.
bigjonliljon
proving it is irrelevant. They acted within the rules of the CBA. Not any teams fault they found and utilized a loop hole the union left in the CBA. Fault is with the union for screwing it up in the agreement.
pt57
It is relevant. The parties to a labor agreement have to act in good faith. Sending a player to the minors just for service time considerations is acting in bad faith. Teams will continue to cite pretext reasons when sending top prospects back to minors.
Sky14
Exactly.
wordonthestreet
You are surprised that when the players union specifically allows this in the CBA that teams will not exercise their collectively bargained for right to do it?
As far as Bryant goes it is the last you will hear of it. He is controlled thru 2021 and their is nothing he or anyone can do about it
Mike Lowe
Of course this would happen after Constellanos signs. I smell some conspiracy on this!
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
He should request a trade immediately, as if it even needs to be said.
wordonthestreet
The fact is he does not want to be traded. Never has. Filed the grievance 5 years ago as a tool of the Union and Boras.
In any event he could demand a trade or not. Who cares? He is under control thru 2021 and their is nothing he or you or any other cry baby can do about it
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Lol what whiny garbage you are
rez2405 2
Huge news.. now alot of teams will still be manipulating service time to up and coming prospects.
K3vin
Teams already have been doing this.
brandons-3
1. They already were, so it doesn’t set any new precedent. Had Bryant won, it would’ve been more impactful.
2. Teams have a right to manipulate service time as long as they don’t publicly or privately admit THAT was the intent.
The didn’t violate the CBA which is why they couldn’t lose. Unless it violates the law, a CBA between both sides makes issues like these pretty black and white regardless of everyone knowing why the Cubs and other teams withhold top prospects for a couple of weeks.
3. The CBA is going to expire in the next year or two, so the MLBPA will have its chance to negotiate a better alternative if it desires.
wordonthestreet
Huge news Rez … the practice never stopped
rez2405 2
Keep up guys please
I said alot of teams will STILL….. STILL….. be manipulating service time.
All we ever ask is to read
rangers13
John Daniels get on the phone with Theo now. Hernandez, Huff, Winn, Solak for Bryant add Bahr, and Leclerc if it also nets us Almora, Happ or Schwarber.
oldtimer
You are going to be disappointed. I don’t expect the return to be anywhere near that great! Starling Marte only brought two prospects and not their top ones either! The Cubs are just going to manage salary with this move!
AllRiseForTheJudge
LOL if you think Starling Marte is even in the same atmosphere as Kris Bryant. Never mind different planets.
Kris Bryant is an elite talent on both sides of the ball. Starling Marte is an average CF coming off an average year defensively.
ABCD
But Bryant is also making $18 million and at least $20 million (possibly $25 million) next year. Most teams don’t have a lot of payroll room unless the Cubs take some salary back.
I hope the Cubs keep Kris, but if they trade him, the Padres may go after him, if the Betts deal doesn’t progress.
SimbaHOF2019
Marte make 6 Mil less per year so maybe equalizes returns a little more.
Rangers29
But that’s where the rangers have the advantage, they can eat all of Bryant’s contract, which would bring them to a payroll right around 180 which is were their “goal” was from before the offseason. Next year Choo and Fielder will be off the books so we’ll be back down to 150 million going into 2021.
larry48
Marte is below average defensely has been since coming up, poor range and doesn’t make routine catches some times.
ABCD
Rangers don’t have the compelling prospects that the Padres do. Plus the Cubs are trying to win now before their core goes into free agency after 2021.
wordonthestreet
Oh ok old timer. If you think Starlin Marte is as valuable as Bryant you are alone
All American Johnsonville Dogs
Hello braves or rangers
Alex Marko
Braves.
Braveslifer
What does the package going back look like?
thegmen
Something tells me he’ll be traded before the 2021 season. It’s kind of like Arenado in the sense that he seems unhappy with management and wants out.
Catuli Carl
Kris Bryant would like to stay with the Chicago Cubs for his entire MLB career. (Via @MLBBruceLevine)
3:44 PM – Jan 2, 2020
beastee
Bruce Levine as a serious source…..hahaahahahahahaha
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Bryant himself has said that several times. That’s as good as source as any
sss847
so the “mike olt was a better player” argument was a winner….
wordonthestreet
Sss that argument was never the case. I suspect you know that but you may just not.
ICanSeeTheFuture
Regardless of the ruling I don’t feel like there’s any bad blood between him and the organization. It’s a business, and it’s not like the Cubs were the first, OR the last team to do it. Hopefully it’s brought up and sorted out at the next CBA.
Catuli Carl
Agreed. I think people are reading into it too much. From what I gathered, the grievance was more of a precedential measure that the MLBPA asked him to move forward with. The only comments I ever heard from him about the move were that he “understood it” and it was the reality of how the deal is written. And then there was this just a couple weeks ago:
Kris Bryant would like to stay with the Chicago Cubs for his entire MLB career. (Via @MLBBruceLevine)
3:44 PM – Jan 2, 2020
bigjonliljon
then why didn’t he accept the contract extension offer he had from the Cubs. What do you expect the guy to say publicly?
mr. g
I’d say because he wanted more money than what was offered. Nothing to do with him not wanting to play there.
Catuli Carl
I’m sure Mookie has enjoyed playing for the Sox, but he’s been very open about wanting to test free agency regardless. Most players don’t just go out and say they want to be a lifer with their current team to please the fans. He was offered $200 million. Boras would strongly advise him to decline the offer and hold out for more.
KP23
Good point catuli
Plenty of guys say otherwise publicly. I think it’s notable he’s forward. And perhaps even more notably most players recently have stated intentions of riding out free agency.
Imo strasburg is a good comp, for his statements publicly. I wouldn’t be surprised if he signs a huge extension an hour before free agency.
expectations of public interactions should be changed to fit this current climate. Bryant seems to be an outlier in today’s social climate.
ncaachampillini
Wow what a shocking outcome. Took a little longer than I thought it would take. Slightly. The entire Civil War, all 4 years of it, could have been fought between when this grievance was filed and decided.
Sheesh. Even just one week earlier would have helped.
mr. g
Maybe the arbitrator was actually just sitting on his ruling until Castellanos signed elsewhere. Not sure why the Cubs were so scared to preemptively sign Castellanos (or any player for that matter). I don’t buy the fact that it would have decreased Bryant’s value due to the “need” to trading him. Everyone knows the Cubs want to pinch pennies, but they don’t “need” to.
babybears
Cubs are going to keep him.
mistry gm
Lol lol lol lol lol. Trafe him to Cinci for Castellanos. He is better than Bryant anyway.
Eatdust666
He’s not, though.
ChiSox_Fan
Newly signed FAs can’t be traded…
according to someone at this site.
babybears
Cubs are going to keep him.
flynn1280
The only reason he wasn’t traded already was teams were waiting for this whole deal to play out. He’s now got two more years until he reaches free agency. He’s not going sign again with the cubs. He’s traded in a week’s time in my opinion.
Catuli Carl
Boras has been trying to get an extension with the Cubs since November. And this was a couple weeks ago:
Kris Bryant would like to stay with the Chicago Cubs for his entire MLB career. (Via @MLBBruceLevine)
3:44 PM – Jan 2, 2020
fmj
boring
Kingofallmagic
We need at least two prospects for him and if we’re lucky we can get a third. The farm system needs replenishing and this is the man to do it.
babybears
We have 4 top 100 guys and Alzolay and De La Cruz are pretty much ready to go……. but yes Cubs prospects are terrible……..
hzt502
Chill out, “needs replenishing” and terrible aren’t the same thing
DarkSide830
De La Cruz is washed up
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The cubs want at least 3 prospects and would love to get a 4th. No way Cubs only get 2 prospects for him. That’s lowballing at its finest.
WideWorldofSports
They’re all in on Puig now!
mr. g
Unfortunately, through all of your facetiousness , I smell what you are cooking. Surely not though.
David Herrick
Even though the off-season is mostly done, Cubs could probably swing a trade with the Yankees, something like Quintana and Bryant for J.A. Happ, Andujar, and a few pitching prospects: Garcia, Gill, and Nelson.
Yankees get to dump Happ and get a LHP upgrade, a middle of the order bat, which is as well an upgrade, and the Cubbies get pitching replacements for 2021 when the contracts of Lester and Chatwood are up.
Diggydugler
Yankees already have the best 3B in the league in Gio Urshela.
David Herrick
Agreed in the sense that Urshela is very good defensively, but Bryant is much superior in terms of track record as a power bat that draws walks and gets on base. Bryant’s defense is definitely getting worse, and he fits better in the American League. My guess is Bryant could play 1st, a little 3rd, LF, and DH. He’d be a huge pickup for the Yankees and would cement them as the favorites in the AL.
The Cubs have organizational flaws, not enough pitching and team defense, and not enough quality WAR contributors in their pitching staff. Plus, through the trade I’ve proposed, the Cubs would get under the luxury tax.
Les Chesterfield
Congrats cubs ! You just ran off your best player.
Catuli Carl
Boras has been trying to get an extension with the Cubs since November. And this was a couple weeks ago:
Kris Bryant would like to stay with the Chicago Cubs for his entire MLB career. (Via @MLBBruceLevine)
3:44 PM – Jan 2, 2020
Kevin28786
I’m sure he would……………..as long as they also offer to pay him more than anybody else will. 😉
mr. g
Ran off? Best player?
Catuli Carl
I don’t think they ran him off, but he is the best player on the Cubs.
Jbarger
gonna laugh when Cubs dont trade BRyant and sign him long term in Winter 2020
nats3256
There was nothing to grieve. All rules were followed. This definitely ups his trade value for sure.
rangerslegend34107
It’s a loop hole that teams have been taking advantage of and players want it to stop. The current CBA is designed in “good faith” that teams will field the best team possible. Teams have proven that this is not the case and that they will temporarily sacrifice performance on the field to gain control of players longer for cheaper. That’s not how it is supposed to work. I understand that is a good business model, but it is taking advantage of your skilled labor and is not “good faith.” This is one of the many things players will go to battle for in the next CBA. The next CBA is going to be ugly. Many big ticket items (Qualifying Offer, Luxury Tax threshold, service time manipulation and team control, etc…) need to be discussed because teams have taken advantage of it for so long so a huge market correction is needed. I will not be surprised if we miss a full year of baseball because of it.
sufferforsnakes
And in other news, it’s Wednesday.
slowcurve
Go get him AA. Is Riley, Touki, and Muller for 2 years of Bryant too much to pay?
David Herrick
As a Cubs fan, I would take that trade, but I’d prefer Waters included over Touki. But I actually think the Cubs management would prefer immediate contributors, such as you mentioned, Riley and Touki.
stevecohenMVP
it’s not enough. Waters or Pache need to be added
slowcurve
I’d rather hang onto both of those guys than have 2 years of Bryant. I think they can afford to. If they hadn’t signed Ozuna, I’d be more willing to part with one of them.
Braveslifer
If Pache is added (we’re keeping Waters), then Riley stays in Atlanta.
Rumncoke
Its your move Atlanta
Alex Marko
Yes sir!!
Jon429
I don’t see it happening. It would add too much to the already inflated payroll unless the Cubs take Ender. Plus AA has shown a general unwillingness to trade top prospects. I don’t think they would’ve signed Ozuna if they had really been after Bryant.
mr. g
I agree. Most teams are settled in by now. This trade might not happen until the trade deadline. The extra year actually allows time for them to wait and the return might be even larger. Of course, if the Cubs are in contention, it will be a tough choice to make at that time.
Fred K. Burke
Atlanta makes to most sense for Bryant, Atlanta has the goods the Cubs need. Bryant would look awfully good in the Braves line up. All the pressure is now on the Cubs front office. If they do make the move to trade Bryant to Atlanta or another team, they just can’t blow it.. As a Cubs fan, lately, I have lost faith in the entire Cubs organization.
iml12
Atlanta Is not taking on more payroll.
Sunny 2
Braves GM has already said, they tried to land Donaldson AND Ozuna.. Upper management has told the Braves GM to go for it, where he even said ” wow, i can keep going, going and going”
No Soup For Yu!
Everyone keeps talking about how this issue will be addressed in the next collective bargaining agreement, and I agree it should be, but how should they try to fix it? Forcing clubs to carry players on their opening day roster would create some blowback from the clubs themselves, and raises the question of how (presumably) arbitrators will decide when a player has to be carried on the roster or if the club has any say at all. Using spring training and/or minor league stats to decide has its own issues. Is the club then allowed to option the player if they begin to struggle, or face scrutiny? The potential fixes seem like headaches, but then again so is the current state of things. What are some of the other ideas?
iml12
Just change the date for the service time clock to start. Teams will be more reluctant to hold down a truly talented player if they can’t call them up until July or August. 10-15 games isn’t exactly game-changing
mr. g
Exactly
mr. g
Move the date to opening day maybe, then players will only be held back for one day. Maybe no one will complain about that? Or move it to September so that the extra day or week that they are held back will be disguised by the almost full season they have been in the minors. It seems to me that the placement of the deadline is the most ambiguous detail.
Honestly though, the players just need to quit complaining and be happy making it to the bigs. It’s no free agency, but Bryant will make well over $20M next year… not a bad deal really.
Dorothy_Mantooth
They fix it by saying if a player plays more than 50% (81 games) on the major league roster during the season then that counts as a full year of service. Teams won’t be able to afford to keep talented players off their roster for 81 games just to manipulate service time. The issue goes away if they agree to this.
coachbrad
And if a player plays less than 50% then the club that signs him to a free agent contract buys out the remaining service time at the AAV of the contract. So if a player plays approximately 33% of the his first season and signs a free agent contract that pays him an annual average value of $15 million a season then the signing club has to pay the club losing his services about $5 million.
chorn47
start the clock with the day they sign the contract. 8 years from draft day they are free agents.
pageian
The Cubs absolutely manipulated his service time clock. The Cubs we’re absolutely within their right to manipulate his service time clock. MLBPA negotiated this deal and signed off on it.
Les Chesterfield
I agree with all that. So Bryant is penalized bc the players union is full of puppets and the cubs were willing to take advantage of him. So he’s out tens of millions. To think he’s cool with that is mind blowingly ignorant. He’s pissed and that reflects in his production and all the trade rumors. Longer he stays- more the dugout will suffer.
Android Dawesome
Tens of millions? Haha, he just got 19 or so million this season. Likely more next season. He is only missing out on one year of free agency. Yea, still a lot of money but you are being overly dramatic.
Just_a_thought
Safely assuming that extra year of FA would have resulted in him being paid more than $20M, quite literally, means he missed out on “tens of millions.” It’s weird to think you fully understand the numbers and agree with them, then post your comment that nitpicks an argument you agree with. Good job
chesteraarthur
So…you’re saying he’s pouting?
iml12
He’s a super 2. He’s likely out no money just a year of free agency.
Les Chesterfield
So what’s the market for Bryant ?? If he’s trade alone for prospects it will be slightly better than what marte returned so cubs almost have to go after guys who are mlb ready and most likely already making a substantial amount of money.
It’s obvious to everyone but cubs fans he has to go. Be interesting to see Theo work his magic
lowtalker1
Who needs a left fielder? He isn’t a great third Baseman
ChiSox_Fan
First base or DH or PH likely scenarios!
Fred K. Burke
Would not be surprised at all if the Cubs had some strong discussion with teams like the Braves, Phillies and Rangers regarding names in exchange for Bryant. The discussions likely involved the 2 obvious outcomes regarding the service time decision. Now that service time as well as arbitration are settled-Teams interested in Bryant will firm up players involved in the trade-Where ever that may be..
whosyourmomma
@Les Chesterfield “…Theo work his magic”? Like his first ever trade with Cubs in DJ Lamathieu for Ian Stewart, haaa. Or how about 3 months of Chapman and giving up 6 or more years of Gleyber Torres? He traded away Soler who had better stats than every Cub outfielder last year. He signed that tremendous deal for Heyward too, haaa. Cubs have declined every year since ’16 yet Theo is still revered?
Sure, he won the Arrieta trade but if you think Jake didn’t get on the juice you’re completely blind. Look at his images with Orioles, he was literally 200 lbs with them and obviously below average as a pitcher. He gets to Cubs in his late 20’s and puts on easily 30 lbs of muscle and looks like a linebacker on the mound, LOL.
Les Chesterfield
Or how bout breaking the curse and bringing a title to Chicago ? Cubs don’t deserve Theo. Y’all are gonna run him out of town and be irrelevant for another 50 years after that.
ChiSox_Fan
Like Theo “worked his magic” with the Quintana trade.
Thanks for Eloy and Cease!!
creacher
That’s annoying; sign big Kris, sign that dotted line somewhere else
mr. g
Its not even spring training yet and the Cubs already have a win. FLY THE W!
dray16
good, time to get rid of him
lowtalker1
They need to trade him. This issue (clubs) were in their rights… left a sour taste in his mouth for the cubs.
Greedy players I swear
DrDan75
It’s just business. It shouldn’t affect his game any if he’s a professional.
Teams pull all kinds of crap to get as much time as they can out of players. Last spring, the Blue Jays sent Vladimir Guerrero Jr. back down to the minors until May just to get an extra year of service out of him. I don’t blame the players for getting miffed. They can only play for so many years.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
In hockey, if you play 10 games (out of 82 games) it counts as a full season of the contract.
Baseball does it backwards, somehow you can play 140 games and it’s not a full season?
This is a very easy CBA fix if you aren’t negotiating for private chefs and extra seats on the bus.
Diggydugler
yup, should be based on number of games played a year. Something like 60+ games counts as a full season for service time. If the player is ready they will start the league in the bigs. If the team wants to wait until mid july to call em up, they probably arent ready for the bigs anyways.
Doc Halladay
That’s actually not quite true. The 10 game threshold is purely for Entry Level Contracts and whether they burn the first of three years(provided the contract can slide). 41 games is the threshold that counts as a fully accrued season. And even that only affects players who enter the league at 18 or 19. In the NHL, players can become Free Agents either after 7 NHL seasons or at age 27(regardless of seasons accrued).
halo6219
Did the Cubs keep him down to extend his control? Yes
Did the Cubs violate a rule by MLB? No
Will what happened cause MLB and MLBPA to modify their agreement in the next CBA…Yes or at least it will be a topic of discussion
greatcaru28
AA make the deal for the Braves!
Sheep8
Sox fans in Chicago worry more about what the Cubs are doing than what their team is doing, evident by the lack of attendance
ChiSox_Fan
Yep, laughing at Cubs and Cubbie fans’ misfortunes and whining nearly as entertaining as the Sox winning the WS.
Robert George
You reak of jealousy. Cubs have done nothing this year, Sox have had the second best offseason in all of baseball, and the Cubs are still projected to finish higher and win more games. Must suck
ChiSox_Fan
You just REEK!
bronyaur
Pathetic.
PEDs
Lmao ,,, he said Socks winning a WS ,,, I almost pissed myself
Catuli Carl
“Misfortunes” lol. Dude look at the records of the Cubs and Sox over the past decade. You guys have more misfortunes than you can handle. Don’t worry about ours.
Kayrall
They’re all low IQ Neanderthals. It’s to be expected from bad people.
Anthony Princeton
Yes, Cubs fans are certainly low IQ. I have been to 19 different MLB parks and the least informed fans can be found at Wrigley. What would you expect when about 38% of the attendees are tourists?
Cubs fans were pretty obsessed and emotionally disturbed after the 2005 World Series. I know, because I talked to many back then. What is happening now is that Cub fans are having difficulty dealing with the dynasty that never was so they are lashing out because they are emotionally immature. I haven’t seen this much vitriol since 2006. Whining about attendance. Hahaha
bronyaur
My recollection is that Cubs fans generally were happy for the Sox in 2005. Not giddy, but certainly not as batpoop insane as the Sox fans who LITERALLY post unhinged nonsense in every Cub thread.
Get a life. Go outside. Root for your own team. You are as sad as guys who stalk long ago ex-girlfriends on Facebook just so they can trash them to their friends.
bryzzo_2016
It’s thirsty and transparent. It doesn’t bother me, I actually feel sorry for them. Imagine rooting for a team that no one cares about, not even in your own market. A poverty franchise w/ terrible ownership and management that has been reduced to a small/mid market team because the other team in town gets all the fan fare, local and national attention, ratings which obviously leads to more revenue thus a better product on the field. I mean, their owner literally threatened to move the team to TB of all places. That’s pretty desperate.
Their dwindling fanbase also went a lifetime between rings, but they couldn’t sustain their fanbase like the Cubs could. They also have not had nearly as many winning seasons as the Cubs.
It’s no coincidence that the FIRST comment on a CUBS post was from a White Sux fan, but it stands to reason that they’d obsess. I seriously don’t blame them. Not a lot that I can think of that would be worse than being a Northwest Indiana White Sux fan. It would be comical if it weren’t so sad, transparent, thirsty and predictable.
YeliMVP
Cubs fan: “It doesn’t bother me.”
Also Cubs fan: “Insert giant block of defensive text here”
bryzzo_2016
Hahaha, *insert thirsty, irrelevant Brewers fan right on cue. Talk about doubling down with Cubs obsession.
Varmit
Bryzzo, now that was a quality post!
bryzzo_2016
Just stating facts. I almost feel like a bully picking on poverty White Sux fans, but I never comment on their posts. Why would I, like most of the baseball world, it would be impossible for me to care less about them. So when they comment on Cubs stuff, they bring this heat on themselves, thus I don’t feel bad.
Yankeesbetterthanyou
They both suck, 2 titles not even close to my Yankees lololol. Theee Yankees win
SimbaHOF2019
Two star 3b on the trading block! What does this do to Arenado return for Rockies. They need to trade him and the Cubs apparently are retooling and getting rid of Bryant probably for Major league ready prospects. What does that do to the Cubs return? Interesting
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Doubt Arenado gets traded. For one thing, his road OPS is 200 points lower than at home. He’s elite at Coors, just solid elsewhere. Second, he’s getting paid like he’s elite on a long-term deal. Third, even for a team for whom that deal is palatable, he could opt out. Just a lot of hurdles.
Bryant, I think, is as good as gone. My guess is the Braves after losing out on JD, Nationals will probably want him, but I don’t know that they have enough they’re willing to part with to get him, while the Braves’ system is still loaded.
Pax vobiscum
Bryant will absolutely wind up in a Braves uniform, meanwhile Phillies just watching.
SimbaHOF2019
You cant bad mouth management as insultingly as Arenado did and not get traded . Rosenthal thinks its a fait accompli.
Nolan orchestrated this to get traded. he already said he could waive no trade and option.
hiflew
Why does no one realize that every player other than Rockies get the benefit of Coors Field stats propping up their ROAD stats? If it is true that Coors Field is that beneficial to hitting, then Rockies are always going to be at a disadvantage when it comes to road stats.
DarkSide830
it does nothing because he isnt getting traded
hyraxwithaflamethrower
In a decision that surprises no one, Bryant loses his grievance. Also surprising no one, Cubs trade him and finally kickstart their offseason.
I don’t like service time manipulation, but seriously, what did the players expect what would happen when they agreed to this? That the owners *wouldn’t* use the clause to their full advantage? Players use clauses in their deals to their advantage, but expect owners to pass up opportunities to do the same.
frankf
Glad this is finally over with. More importantly, I really wish these articles would stop referring to it as “Kris Bryant’s grievance,” when the reality of the matter is that it’s Scott Boras’ grievance regarding Kris Bryant.
towinagain
Cue the trade proposals…
Mikel Grady
May from dodgers ?
Mikel Grady
Towinagain. May from dodgers ?
LordD99
There’s little doubt the Cubs held him down to manipulate his service time, but there was also little chance that Bryant would win his appeal. I don’t blame the Cubs. Every team does this. It’s a business decision. MLB and the MLBPA created this. A Bryant victory might have forced the two sides to fix this loophole in the next CBA. Now? MLB ownership will be even more emboldened and will see no reason to negotiate a change.
That Baseball Fan
Please don’t say “Every team does this”. The Padres do not do this. It is a business decision, like you said. The Cubs made this decision and are 100% responsible for the ramifications of doing so. The Padres are 100% responsible for their decision not to do this as well.
Gwynning
Paddack and Taris have entered the chat
Gwynning
Tatis lol
Gwynning
Tatis lol
Gwynning
Tatis lol
Gwynning
Tatis lol
Dotnet22
Kris Bryant for Matt Carpenter strait up. I’ll hang up and listen…
pageian
Be serious.
mr. g
Click
kodion
Why do I hear a dial-tone when this comment is on my screen?
Vin Scully
Flubs will be cellar dwellers once again.
Pax vobiscum
Meanwhile, Klentak and MacPhail feel really good about the Phillies roster, no need for Bryant in Philadelphia, you don’t need to see their papers, these are not the droids you’re looking for.
DarkSide830
predictible. shame on the MLBPA for even trying this.
BigB
Too bad the cubbies don’t gave the money to extend him.
ChiSox_Fan
White Sox were brilliant to extend the contracts of their young and projected superstars!
First to extend netting too!
Very proactive FO!
Other teams will look to White Sox for more guidance as to how to build a dynasty.
chesteraarthur
No one watches their games so no one to complain about the nets blocking views
bryzzo_2016
Hahaha, truth.
bronyaur
Guaranteed Seat Field.
Dorothy_Mantooth
While the White Sox were smart to extend and lock up their young talent, they certainly were not the innovators here. Oakland, Tampa and Atlanta has been doing this for years. They merely copied the approach of other successful teams..rightfully so if you ask me.
hiflew
Dynasty? Maybe they can get to a .500 record before you put them in the company of the 1996-2000 Yankees.
AllRiseForTheJudge
So now that the obvious has been stated, where does this leave Bryant and the Cubs and who comes calling/is the most likely trade destination?
The Braves don’t so much *need* him after signing Ozuna which effectively allows Austin Riley to play his natural position, but I feel like he’s the guy they really want otherwise they would have made Donaldson a real offer instead of lowballing him. The Nats, on the other hand, absolutely could use Bryant after losing the bidding on JD., but do they have the assets to make a deal?
Other than those two teams, I can’t see a ton of demand for Bryant right now. This close to spring training, the teams entering the season as contenders are pretty much set while the middle-of-the-pack teams are going to wait until July to see where they are before adding an impact player, and the teams that already know they’re compteting for a high draft pick aren’t trading for a guy who won’t get them out of mediocrity before his contract expires.
iml12
Bryant is staying Chicago.
iml12
Bryant is staying Chicago.
oldtimer
No way!
mr. g
Very well could be a trade deadline deal at this point. I agree, to much of the offseason has passed and it might be too difficult to pull something off immediately. Maybe an injury in spring training could change things though. Hopefully it’s not to Bryant!
angt222
I say he’s trade bait. Bryant can’t be happy about the decision. Phillies and Braves seem to be the most likely suitors to inquire about a trade should CHC want to move Bryant.
chesteraarthur
He’s said multiple times that he doesn’t hold it against the team, but certainly you know better.
DakotaJoe
I’m a Phillies fan. They have two minor leaguers that are probably shoe-ins to make the majors. The Phillies aren’t giving them up for two years of Bryant especially when Bohm is the #1 rated 3B in the minors. He may be ready this year.
Rsox
Good ruling. There is no such thing as deserving to be on the roster. Too much sense of entitlement with athletes or celebrities in general. Bryant had to know he had no real chance at winning this, the flood gates that would open would be disastrous for MLB.
Maybe the players union can negotiate better service time rules in the next CBA to avoid such manipulations but as of fight now rules are rules and the Cubs played within the rules.
slider32
Looks like Bryant could go to a contender, the Braves, Nats, and Rangers are good fits. If the Cubs want young pitching AA and the Braves have the best shot.
Mikel Grady
Theo in the car bird seat. Rangers nationals dodgers padres Braves . Give us your best offer let the games begin! Bidding war here we come .
ChiSox_Fan
“Cat” maybe?
Mikel Grady
Ha iPhone and fat fingers . Cat
ChiSox_Fan
And… are you sure it’s not “Michael”?
Just checking. Ha.
bballblk
Hallelujah! The day has come!
SimbaHOF2019
Cubs have the perfect cover to trade Bryant. Tried to extend him and he said no. Fans not happy with recent effort.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
They’ve yet to try to extend him. He wouldn’t have accepted anyway he wants to test free agency
goldenrodent
So here’s a novel approach to clear some payroll flexibility. Jason Hayward…do the “right thing” and renegotiate your contract downward to free up cap space so your team can, perhaps, go out and acquire the needed pitching talent to complete. You’ve been way overpaid for your talent level and performance (not your fault the Cubs way overpaid for you!) I can tell you, the Cub fans will endear themselves to you! And NO I don’t really think this will happen, but I can dream!
whosyourmomma
Good luck with this, so it’s Ok for the Cubs to keep money from Bryant by following “letter of the law” with service time rules in place and preventing him from making millions more? Yet you’re hoping a guy who has a signed contract by both parties to voluntarily change the terms of the contract to help his foolish baseball executives build a better team? You need a pay cut for that idea you genius but typical Cub fan!
slowcurve
D- comment right here. Also, it’s Heyward.
Good Guys
Nope, this won’t happen and yes you are dreaming. Even if he wanted the players union wouldn’t allow him to and there are at least a dozen other players (Chris Davis, Miguel Cabrera, Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, etc.) that should do this ahead of Heyward.
caldo19
Goldenrodent
“cap space”?
Also, Hayward would be an imbecile to give back money, if that’s what you are implying.
The cubs shouldn’t move Bryant unless the offer blows them away.
They can move him at the deadline this year or even just before 2021. The cubs should at least try to win the central.
Chief Two Hands
It feels like this decision was a bit rushed.
Rangers29
Ok Jon Daniels, this better be the reason that the rangers off-season has slammed to a halt, go get Bryant and make the fans happy, and the team a load better. The two years of Bryant will hopefully provide a bridge to Jung (who would be untouchable in a Bryant trade). I think Huff, Palumbo, Johnathan Hernandez, and Steele Walker could do it.
Chief Two Hands
Yeah, the billionaires are cheap and stupid so the “right thing” would be for Heyward to give them some of his money.
PEDs
Lol you Rangers fans are as comical as Braves fans with your prospects lol
rememberthecoop
To me, even if they had that so-called “smoking gun”, I would still say so what? I would argue that even if we admitted we were taking advantage of a rule, how is that illegal in any way? You’re literally following the rules set forth in the CBA. That would be akin to admitting you sent a player down to the minors because he had an option left and player B did not. Again, so what? This was a ridiculous and unnecessary waste of time.
Jeff Todd
It’s not about legal/illegal. It’s about contract interpretation. Good faith is essentially a backstop that is read into every contract to ensure that one side can’t run roughshod over the other because of an overly technical interpretation. This is a general doctrine that applies to all contracts and has a deep basis in the law.
Obviously there’s a lot of room to disagree on the precise standard and how it applies to the precise facts in any given case. And it’s always powerful to be able to say that you didn’t violate the written contract. But that’s simply not where the analysis ends.
kodion
If MLBPA let this precedent-setter pass, ESPECIALLY after not seeing the implications during the last negotiation, they would have been called out for being incompetent.
They may be, anyway, but this ruling, expected or not, clarifies that teams are only guilty of service-time manipulation …if they admit to it, under the current agreement. As I understand it.
mike156
This is good observation. Maybe the opening in the next CBA isn’t to get rid of service time calculations, but to apply a dual standard….X days on the active roster, or Y plate appearances/IP. Bryant had 650 PA in his rookie season. I’d sooner see that “full season” be calculated at eligibility for the batting crown. And, although this wouldn’t have applied to Bryant, I think an age cutoff should also apply. There’s no reason (outside of an extension) that a 30+ player (like Donaldson) should be entering FA for the first time.
Catuli Carl
Good faith is subjective depending on which side you’re on. From the Cubs perspective, and to a lot of people in the audience, the move they made was not in bad faith at all. They made the best move for the sake of the team according to the rules of the agreement. That’s why we have written contracts. To establish what exactly is agreed upon. There’s no “good faith/bad faith” addendum.
This mode of thinking seems petty and silly to me. The “bad faith” argument seems like it could be summarized as, “Well yeah, that was what we agreed upon, but I wish we had agreed upon something else, so you should have followed the unwritten standard that I prefer and which seems nicer to me.” It’s like if you signed a contract in which you agreed to work on Saturdays, but when your boss asks you to come in on a Saturday, you get upset about it and claim it’s in “bad faith”.
pageian
Agreed.
Ab95
Who says no?
Cubs get: Josiah Gray, Jonathan India
Dodgers get: Kris Bryant, Jesse Winker
Reds get: Corey Seager
stretch123
Cubs… Cubs will want at least 2-3 good to great prospects for Bryant.
Ab95
They would get a top 10 3B prospect and the Dodgers’ second best pitching prospect…
solaris602
That’s actually a viable trade scenario. Just don’t see the need for Winker in LA, but he does seem like the kind of player who turns to gold for them like Turner, Hernandez, etc
hiflew
That could work except with Winker to the Cubs instead of the Dodgers.
stretch123
Trade scenarios:
Dodgers – Dustin May, Jeter Downs and two more mid level prospects for Bryant. Could also see Wilson Contreras and Bryant for Dustin May, Keibert Ruiz, Jeter Downs and a filer prospect or two.
Braves – Bryant for Kyle Wright, Austin Riley and a filer prospect or two.
Rangers – Bryant for Josh Jung, Hans Crouse and a filer or two.
Nationals – Bryant for Lus Garcia, Jackson Rutledge, Drew Mendoza.
Rangers29
One critique on the rangers one, Jung will not be dealt for Bryant, because it’s only two years of control on Bryant, and that will be about the time Jung comes up.
Ab95
Dustin May is nearly enough by himself to get Bryant. Maybe a high-mid prospect on top of him, but you definitely don’t need Downs+.
Good Guys
Also I think the Dodgers are pretty happy with their current situation at catcher and wouldn’t be interested in Contreras.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
No hes not. No matter where he goes to 3 players are going back to Chicago
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Bryant to the Braves for Waters/Fried Anderson and Wright.
oldtimer
My worst fear is now that the grievance is settled and it’s clear they can make a deal is that Jed and Theo will blow it!
Southsidehitman
I’m glad they resolved this before he retired.
charles stevens
Gallo would be a monster with Bryant right behind him in the lineup.
Rangers29
It would give him a lot more protection in that lineup.
msqboxer
There absolutely no reason to trade him right now unless he wants out and/or is going to become a club house cancer. If the team is limping at the all star break you can sell then the likes of Bryant, Lester and Quintana. Prospect value is at it’s highest in the off season and lessens around the trade deadline when teams see their chance to obtain a guy for another 1.1/2 years.
ChiSox_Fan
Possible Bryant injury is one reason!
2 years > 1+ is another reason.
oldtimer
Have you forgotten Rickets demand to get under the salary cap penalty! That why they have to trade him! He’s the only guy with any trade value with enough salary that solves he problem.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Why is he a “club cancer”? He’s not Bryce Harper.
920kodiak
The Nationals could definitely use him. Don’t think they have the system to get it done, though. I guess it would start with Kieboom.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I’d rather have Bryant and Kieboom
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Bryant over Kieboom. Kiemboom won’t be as good as Bryant.
hiflew
Very few players will. Bryant was a league MVP after all. That would be why it STARTS with Kieboom.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Hes also the only player to win college poty, roty and MVP in consecutive years. There could be a 4th award as well.
ScottCFA
Cubs lost either way. Either they would have lost a year of Bryant before free agency (or the trade value thereof), or they would have lost goodwill with the entire team. I think this is what they call a Pyrrhic victory.
jessethegreat 2
Cubs may have won this ruling but it’s going to hurt them in the long run more. Unless the money is significantly more, expect Boras to steer his clients from the Cubs going forward
Vjg
I doubt boras will sever ties with one of the bigger markets in the game. He literally welcomed Cole to NYY when they filed a grevience with another of his clients Ellsbury.
Manipulating service time is something every team does. Maybe youll see more and more teams do what chisox do with extending them early, or seattle too. But until there is a new CBA and new language around service time this issue will continue.
mr. g
Good!
wordonthestreet
Jesse the great …..
Hahahaha laughing at you for that ignorant statement
just my opinion
David price would pitch well in the national league lol
Rangers29
Your username matches what you just said perfectly.
paulslc
Extremely well written summary Jeff
timyanks
i would appeal
phillyballers
had to lose, pandora’s box
54scooterb
Need a poll, what uniform will Bryant wear in 2020.
mr. g
Nike
wrigleyhawkeye
I’m guessing it took so long because there were so many hourly workers.
jints1
As a fan I’m in favor of delaying a star prospect so that I get an extra year. The seventh year will probably be much more productive than the rookie year.
DakotaJoe
There is zero excuse for this decision to have taken this long!
paindonthurt
He gone!
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I always felt it was obvious that he’d lose the case – the Cubs followed the rules, and usually the rules and not the intent are the deciding factor. However, I also felt that he knew he’d lose the case but felt it was time for “somebody to do something” to bring it to attention before a new CBA was negotiated… If that’s the case, then he may very well have been successful.
megaj
Bottom line – Cubs need starting pitching. Their staff is aging and not good enough to win the division. Let’s face it, ANY two top pitching prospects are most likely going to put up better numbers than Quintana and Lester did last year.
If Epstein can’t pull this off, he should be terminated.
ChiSox_Fan
Cubs should have signed Nova when they had the chance.
Byron J Kelley
“It remains difficult to fathom the big-market Cubs parting with a classy, homegrown star who remains a high-quality performer.”
Geez, talk about laying it on a bit thick, and I don’t know that any of that statement is actually true!
megaj
It’s not. Out of all the Cubs position players since 2016, I would say that Bryant plays with the least fire, is the most soft, and the least likely to be deemed a “team player”.
paindonthurt
Ridiculous comment megaj. He isn’t a show your emotion on your sleeve type. However, he has been consistently applauded by teammates, been a model citizen, and solid performer. Not every guy is flashy. It doesn’t make him soft.
ChiSox_Fan
I remember when Konerko took a ball in the face and promptly jogged to first base all bloodied with nose likely broken.
I don’t recall what KB did when he was plunked in the head. But he was never the same since.
richt
The writing in this article is a bit ridiculous in general.
goldenmisfit
After this I give three maybe four days before we hear Bryant demanding a trade.
megaj
Rangers should easily be able to attain Bryant for either Hans Crouse or Cole Winn and another prospect. If Nationals and Braves both show interest, Cubs may be able to get more.
Furdog33
Let’s play 2
ASapsFables
Finally a resolution. This is a comprehensive article covering the dispute, clearly written by a lawyer which was Jeff Todd’s profession before joining the MLBTR staff. A solid piece of writing!
Now fans eagerly await how the outcome of this grievance might affect Kris Bryant, the Cubs, the 3B market and trades in general leading up to spring training and opening day. The rumor mill alone should be buzzing with another superstar added to a list that already includes Nolan Arenado, Mookie Betts and Francisco Lindor.
Mick1956
Lolol.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Hate to see him go but the Cubs need pitching and the Braves need a 3B
Bryant for Ian Anderson,Kyle Wright, Drew Waters and at least 1 ptbnl.
swanhenge
It is very peculiar that there is ZERO coverage of this topic at MLB.com. Wonder why that is…?
swanhenge
And Bryant is going to the Braves. They didn’t meet Donaldson’s demands because they were holding out for this trade. Waters + one pitching prospect…
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Its gonna be at least 4 for 1. At the worst it’s going to be 3 for 1.
tigerdoc616
Unfortunate for Bryant and baseball, but the arbitrator basically held the teams and the players to the letter of the rule. It now gives teams carte blanche to manipulate service time.. I can’t imagine Bryant signing with the Cubs now and he is likely on his way out of town sooner rather than later.
The next CBA negotiations will be very interesting.
bhambrave
I could see Austin Riley, Ender Inciarte and Kyle Wright for Bryant. Maybe a second good prospect as well.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That’s a laughable trade it’ll be Anderson, Waters and Wright. Ender Inciarte is not good. The cubs would laugh at that offer.
bhambrave
Ender is better than anyone else they’ve got for CF.
hiflew
I really hope the Braves trade Inciarte soon just so Braves fans will stop putting him in goofy trade proposals as if he were an actual asset or something.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
So Inciarte would be a throw in to the cubs like Castro to the Yankees for cash and Brendan Ryan who was immediately released
bcjd
IMO, if a player is called up for the first time in his career before the All-Star break, and stays in the majors more than about 70% of the remaining season, that could count as his first season in terms of arbitration eligibility or free agency.
bhambrave
I like the idea of attaching a year’s worth if he had enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title.
heater
As it should have gone. Now play ball.
bumpy93
Bryant to the Phillies will happen within 10days
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Phillies have no one the cubs want. Like I said 4 times Bryant for Anderson ,Waters and Wright.
24TheKid
The Cubs would be happy with Bohm, Howard and Stott.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Why would they want a SS when they have the best one in the league? Unless hes 4 or 5 years away. Baez isnt going anywhere. Can Stott play anywhere else
PEDs
Wrek so you think Cubs wouldnt want a top 3rd base prospect (Bohm) to take Bryant’s place (possibly by next season he’d be up) and a good SP prospect,, prolly go after Medina or Moniak rather than Stott
james5150
Bryant becoming a cry baby
desertbull
Should have taken 3-5 days not 4 months.
LarryJ4
It won’t be Anderson and waters. More like wright waters riley inciarte for Bryant and happ (underperforming yet has talent type prospect). Maybe international slot as well to cubs. Braves won’t move Anderson or pache
LarryJ4
Inciarte is just included for CF starter for time being and offset some money Atlanta already is spending past their “max OF payroll”
desertbull
There is no need to rush into a trade. Wait until mid season and see what the record is and what contenders are willing to give up.
PEDs
If they traded him there’s a number of possible moves out there, but what makes sense for both teams?
Rangers don’t have much of anything to offer- Jung, Crouse, Winn
The 3 are ok, nothing special
Braves wouldn’t give up much, no way Pache, Anderson, Fried, maybe even Waters get moved … So the best left is Wright and others,,,yikes
Nationals wont move Robles so youd be looking at Kieboom and Rutlidge which isn’t so bad (better than Jung-Crouse)
Phillies Bohm, Howard wouldn’t be bad but doesn’t help out 2020
Padres Weathers, Patino … Doubt Patino would be traded … Gore wouldnt be moved for anything
Dodgers could put together the best package if they really wanted him
Julio Urais, Verdugo, Gray, Downs, May.. Think they could package 2 or 3 of these guys (Not all of them ) depending on which ones the packaged
Sleeper team:
Tampa Bay Rays
Vidal Brujan, Honeywell, McClanahan
Or Edwards , Baz , McClanahan
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
For the Beaves Anderson Waters and Wright would be minimum that goes to Chicago
PEDs
Braves would never do that… They think way to highly of their prospects.. I would rather have Riley/Fried back to the Cubs but Anderson and waters are pure gold to Braves
Les Chesterfield
Can’t wait for this trade to go down. You’re going to be heartbroken as you are oblivious to the condition of the current trade market
ABCD
It probably won’t go down with ST starting in a couple of weeks. Though I think the Padres would probably give the best package as they are motivated but it would probably depend on the Cubs taking back Wil Myers and part of his contract.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The braves are the best suitor. Padres look good for Bryant but only because like Tommy Pham he’d be closer to his family.
PEDs
Highly doubt I’ll be heartbroken.. For one I don’t really care , and 2 if it’s not a profitable trade then cubs will just keep Bryant… Pretty simple… Your current trade logic makes no sense , you have based it off a 34 yr old pitcher coming off a serious injury, ive seen you post about it like 15 times a day… Yea we get it Kluber didn’t bring back great prospects, fantastic… We have all also seen you hype up the reds last yr , you’re doing great, and all this off season with very mediocre adds ,and have posted about how Indians will trade Lindor for Senzel cause of the trade market… Give it a rest man, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.., we just seen Libatore get traded for MARTINEZ and a lesser prospect,, so there goes your market theory… Good try tho
paindonthurt
How about the Angels as a sleeper. They need pitching. Could you combine Bryant with Quintana for a nice package?
PEDs
Outside of Adell and Marsh , angels don’t have much.. And they arent moving those guys
paindonthurt
I could see Marsh but not Adell. Looking into their system I think you are correct.
jimthegoat
Why did it take them 4 years to come to this conclusion?
madmanTX
JD better be on the phone from Arlington working the trade.
jorge78
Not shocking. Rules are rules.
What’s shocking is captain obvious (the panel) took so long…..
Kevin28786
The players signed a crappy CBA and want to whine about it. Do yourselves a favor and hire a better rep next time. It’s not complicated.
richt
This is writing is way too dense and conjectural. I don’t know when MLBTR became so academic and dry, but I miss 5–10 years ago when it was actually fun to read.
Paul Griggs
I wonder if ESPN will continue to obsess with the Cubs and put them on half their games? I think the Cubs window of opportunity has passed. He may be gone but Maddon was not as big a genius as he was made out to be (Schwarber in LF?).. Epstein will find a way to further ruin this team. Ross seems like a nice guy but he’s going to be in for a difficult season.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Half their games. Are you new to baseball? They have max 10 games on ESPN. Mostly its Yankees and red sox. Which is at least 40% of the season
wordonthestreet
Paul if Maddon was so dumb as to put Schwarber in LF as you claim why don’t you educate us all and tell us where he should have played Schwarber
PEDs
Highly doubt I’ll be heartbroken.. For one I don’t really care , and 2 if it’s not a profitable trade then cubs will just keep Bryant… Pretty simple… Your current trade logic makes no sense , you have based it off a 34 yr old pitcher coming off a serious injury, ive seen you post about it like 15 times a day… Yea we get it Kluber didn’t bring back great prospects, fantastic… We have all also seen you hype up the reds last yr , you’re doing great, and all this off season with very mediocre adds ,and have posted about how Indians will trade Lindor for Senzel cause of the trade market… Give it a rest man, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.., we just seen Libatore get traded for MARTINEZ and a lesser prospect,, so there goes your market theory… Good try tho
Cubfan Mike
That is for the memories Kris.
KingBong
You Cubs fans are tripping if you think Atlanta is coming off of any of the following…
Ian Anderson
Kyle Wright
Drew Waters
Christian Pache
It ain’t happening.
At best, the Cubs would get Austin Riley, Touki Toussaint and MAYBE Kyle Muller.
KingBong
Add William Contreras to the list of five the Cubs just ain’t getting.
I also highly doubt they could get Bryse Wilson.
Riley, Touki & Muller would be a huge return. If Theo could get AA to agree to that, he better take it and run!
PEDs
Lol oh yea,,, take it and run lol… Same thing you were saying about Shelby Miller and Kolby Allard I bet…
KingBong
We did great on Shelby Miller! It’s almost embarrassing the way we picked Arizona’s pockets.
And no…Allard was just ok. Mid-rotation SP, at best. Profiles as a #4
PEDs
Im saying you braves fans thought those guys were so special too.. You guys always over value your prospects , like Anderson is some shoe in next Greg Maddox when in reality hes been as good so far as Shelby Miller…
Touki and Miller dont move the needle for any team, cool added 2 prospects that wouldnt even crack cubs top 15 prospects , what a get that would be! And add to it Riley who hasn’t looked so special to replace Bryant ,,,, try again.
You guys also think Pache is the next Acuna when in reality he’s the next Billy Hamilton
Braves would have no holes in the lineup with Bryant.. But seems their fans don’t think they can win a title with him, otherwise you wouldn’t be making up garbage offers, like cubs would actually accept that
Mikel Grady
Bryant for Arenado straight up rumors are heating up
rangers13
So a team desperate to get under luxury tax is going to add 18 million to the current budget which is already at or near luxury tax threshold.
Jimbo700
Mike Grady –> They are not adding $18 million to the payroll… they were already paying him $12.9 million, so the payroll is actually going up slightly more than $5 million in 2020. Still, you are correct in your assertion. They are “desperate to get under the luxury tax” and they are adding another %5 million for Bryant.
Jimbo700
Woops, it wasn’t Mike Grady I was replying to, it was rangersd13.
martras
This is a typical type ruling through the American justice system. Judges and arbitrators are terrified of making a ruling which is right, but would have wide ranging consequences. I suspect the arbitrators took their time trying to figure out what was the lesser of two evils; trying to accept the responsibility for the outcome rather than to just make a decision and allow the people who have violated the rules to pay the piper.
bhambrave
Typical liberal activist attitude. Don’t follow the law (rule) as written. Unilaterally change the law (rule) to what you think it should be.
martras
Typical moron attitude. Create a strawman, an inaccurate one at that.
I know this is hard for somebody who likely uses the very same tried and true method of today’s American politics, but how about you read the policy and come to your own conclusions rather than rely on somebody else to tell you what to think?
justme
About time holy crap..getting an extra year may not mean a trade..being able to reset the tax may mean they can open negotiations after this year plus after 2021 they will free up quite a bit of room with some large contracts expiring..maybe guys like Schwarber and Almora might get moved instead to clear salary relief..having Bryant’s bat available for at least 2 years makes something like that more plausible
Jimbo700
Hasta la vista, baby!
jleve618
It’s finally over. I can taste strawberries again.
Backatitagain
The Braves need this trade and should be willing to move a premium package to get Kris Bryant. I could see Bryse Wilson, Ender Inciarte, Huascar Ynoa and Greyson Jenista in a package to get the deal done. Should be willing to send Christian Pache instead of Jenista if the Cubbies send Jason Heyward and $64 Million (16,16,16,16) back to the ATL with Bryant.
This deal brings two young MLB starters to the Cubs with great defensive outfielder and moves $74 million off the books and says goodbye to luxury tax.
KingBong
Ynoa has crossed my mind too, as an arm Chicago could have interest in.
Bryse or Touki? Or neither and flip Muller instead?
I doubt AA would be willing to take on any money accounting for J-Hey. And I highly doubt Pache is involved in any trade. I could see AA trying to get the Cubs to take on Inciarte, though.
PEDs
The cubs already have 3 pitching prospects better than any of the guys you’ve named… So why would taking on these guys benefit the cubs by giving up their 2nd best player… Makes no sense
jd396
Foregone conclusion, since the Cubs just used the CBA as written. It’s an issue that should probably be addressed, but there has to be a line drawn *somewhere* where a guy is a FA on one side and not a FA on the other. If you can get a seventh year of control by calling up a guy at midnight rather than 11:59 PM the day before, why wouldn’t you?
As for fixing it… They just need to change the way they calculate what a year is under those circumstances. It’s pretty easy, like the Super 2 rule, a Super 6 rule where the top X percent of players short of 6 years service time will hit free agency. There’s no reliable way to predict it down to the day 6 years in advance. Then just give the teams a “franchise tag” they can use to buy year 7 at a premium price (maybe 1.5x the QO or something).
jd396
Should say “Super 5 Rule” not 6, I guess.
bhambrave
Since the Braves got their international pool money penalized by 50% and since they gave up $1,000,000 to sign QO FA’s, they should just punt the international market this year and trade their remaining pool money as part of a deal for Bryant.
JackStrawb
It remains difficult to fathom the big-market Cubs parting with a classy, homegrown star who remains a high-quality performer.
Is he, though? 1.9 WAR in 2018, 3.6 in 2019. Combined, that’s less than any one of his first three seasons. The juiced ball masked some of this decline, but the HOF track he was on from 23 to 25 no longer exists. No team dealing for him now is going to treat Bryant just as if he was the 6-7 win player he was at the beginning of his career.
A Bryant for Arenado trade would be more even than it sounds. The Cubs would be paying 15m more this season, but they’d be getting a player probably 2 wins better. Something similar would happen in 2021, with the Cubs paying about 10m more than what Bryant would be awarded if both repeated their 2019 seasons.
For 2020-2021, the Cubs would be paying about 25m more for the guy who is currently a significantly better player. If you value Arenado as 2 wins better for each of 2020 and 2021, and figure the Cubs would be paying 25m more for that pleasure, they shouldn’t have to send much at all along with Bryant in order to get Arenado. A couple of prospects in the org’s teens. Maybe a #13 and a #15, but surely not a top guy in the farm system.