As of late December, the Red Sox reportedly weren’t “actively shopping” right fielder Mookie Betts, even though the superstar has frequented trade rumors this winter. Two weeks later, it seems the team does indeed plan to retain Betts, at least for now. Chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said this week the Red Sox expect to open 2020 with Betts on their roster, as Rob Bradford of WEEI relays.
“That’s really been my expectation all along,” said Bloom. “I think big picture, and this applies to everything, we’re not doing our jobs if we’re not open to anything that improves our chances to compete as successfully and as often as possible over the course of the next decade. That has kind of been our guiding principle as we have accessed interest in any of our players. But you do that with the expectation that they will be here. And that will certainly be the case with Mookie.”
Even if Betts does stick with Boston into the season, this year’s Opening Day could go down as his last with the franchise. The 27-year-old former MVP is entering his final season of team control, and he’ll likely reel in one of the richest free-agent contracts in baseball history if he gets to the market next winter. Betts has, of course, made it known on multiple occasions that he’s interested in shopping his services around the majors.
For now, despite the turmoil surrounding the organization – which just fired manager Alex Cora – Boston’s roster does look talented enough to push for a playoff spot in 2020. The Red Sox seem intent on doing just that after a down 2019, though it would be exceedingly difficult without their best player, Betts, on the roster. At the same time, trading Betts would presumably restock their pool of young talent to some degree. It may also be the most realistic path for the club to shave off a significant amount of money from its payroll – if that’s part of the plan.
Betts is due to rake in an arbitration-record $27MM this year, while the Red Sox are projected to begin the season with a $237MM competitive balance tax payroll. Losing Betts’ salary would obviously make it far more realistic for Boston to get under the $208MM threshold – a number it’s on track to surpass for the third straight season. Surpassing the mark for a third consecutive year would subject the Red Sox to a 50 percent tax on overages next winter, but it’s highly debatable whether that should be a major concern for deep-pocketed owner John Henry.
Team brass did indicate in September that they’d like to get under the line, though Henry insisted last week that the club’s more focused on competing than slashing payroll. Bloom, meanwhile, said Wednesday that “the goal to get under the CBT is not an end in itself,” adding, “We will attempt to do it in a way that’s consistent with that larger goal.”
Whether Betts will wind up as part of Boston’s long-term picture remains to be seen. If we’re to believe Bloom, though, it appears Betts will stay put for at least the time being.
ron swanson 2
Translation: the trade offers haven’t been good enough.
bradthebluefish
Yup!
joparx
Remember when they were trying to sell us all on how much interest there was in Price and his ridiculous contract, Bloom can’t even get proper offers for Betts…
deweybelongsinthehall
He’s said the right thing which was basically nothing. I love Cashman’s overall body of work but I never understood why he verbally admitted the team was going to trade Sonny Gray last off season. It couldn’t have helped negotiations.
stymeedone
He is getting proper offers for Betts. It’s just a proper offer for an extremely expensive rental is not something that you can sell the public. At least until the team shows you are not able to win with him in july. He will finish the year a Red Sox if they contend, or be traded for the most someone will give them at the deadline. It will be for less than the fans expect.
spinach
Machado and Darvish returns would be the starting point, so yeah not necessarily great return. Not a lot of teams that can just take on another $10m-$15m at the deadline, that limits his market and so limits his value.
mohoney
Baltimore got some decent pieces back for Machado.
pasha2k
I hope this is a ploy to get an interested club to anti up their trade for Mookie. Mookie wants to leave Boston even though he’s a hitter made for Fenway. I still think If he won’t stay trade him. I think this is positioning for Bloom.
Rangers29
I bet anybody that if the Red Sox trade Mookie, that team acquiring him will extend him for 350+ million dollars.
YankeesBleacherCreature
He’s already said a long time ago that he has no interest in discussing an extension and wishes to go to free agency. No trade and sign here.
delete
Nobody asked Mookie if he would consider signing an extension with any team other than Boston. His comments were specific to Boston. I’m sure he knew about the cheating scandal long before we did and wanted to distance himself. I’m hoping to find out he wasn’t a participant and that his big season didn’t happen because he knew exactly what pitches were coming.
deweybelongsinthehall
You could be right about his knowledge but your last statement seems to contradict the first. If he was upset with Watchgate then why would have been an active participant? I think it was more he was hearing such projected numbers for Machado and Harper, players he feels he’s better than and at the time was offered $200m. While understanding it was Jan opening offer, he was about to bank big money in arb that he could afford to bet on himself. I
dynasty in boston
Please don’t feed it
pasha2k
His big season was because he was healthy n had a healthy JD in the lineup. As far as cheating goes, the latest I heard was the commissioner hasn’t turned up anything as yet, n one of the whistle blowers was pathetic Steven Wright.
123redsox
The signs were being relayed in from the runner on second base. Mookie only had 62 at bats with men on second in 2018. Considering he had 520 at bats on the year, 62 at bats isn’t going to make a massive difference in his stats.
therealryan
Below are Mookie Betts’ 2018 stats with a runner on 2B and without a runner on 2B.
Runner on 2B: .339 Avg, .516 OBP, .790 Slg, 1.307 OPS, 25.3% BB%, 8.8% K%
No runner 2B: .347 Avg, .424 OBP, .620 Slg, 1.044 OPS, 11.1% BB%, 15.9% K%
In the 91 PA where Betts came up with a runner on second base, he performed significantly better. He added almost a 100 points to his on base percentage, added 170 points to his slugging, cut his strike out percentage almost in half and more than doubled his walk percentage. If he was getting the signs relayed in from the runner on 2B it looks like he definitely took advantage of it.
thetruth 2
He doesn’t want to play in Boston
smallball
I’ll take that bet…
spinach
That would have the potential for being the most disastrous contract in MLB history. Athletic outfielders tend not to age so well. And power-hitting 5’8” guys… oomf.
Ashtem
I just want to see a trade Bloom
Ashtem
Whoever gives Mookie that big deal is going to regret it sooner rather than later he will decline faster than other guys out there
bradthebluefish
Agreed. He’s scrony, relies a lot on his speed, etc.
User 4245925809
Speed and the extreme quickness of his wrists to get ahead of pitches inside. remember he’s only 5’9, not a big guy at all. Years ago power hitters didn’t always come in large packages, but today most are much larger than Betts. I do worry that if/when Betts loses that explosiveness in his wrists, the main part of his offensive game will really suffer.. As it is, A pitcher, pretty much regardless how hard they throw has to get it off the plate inside to jam him, but as he loses that quickness?
deweybelongsinthehall
Ichiro did just fine. Of course he could be the exception and Seattle did not sign him to one LONG contract. To me, if you’re paying big money, a one way opt out is just stupid. Look at Colorado now. A full no trade and an opt out after 21 for Arenado who now holds all the cards in a trade.
Could be
You are spot on, lots of players had long successful careers at 5’9″ or less…
Arenado’s contract was horrible for the Rockies dont understand why they did that… will make him less attractive to other teams and lower his value. Lose, lose
123redsox
Yaz played into his 40s as an every day player and is 5 ft 11, 175 pounds. Betts is 5 ft 9 180 pounds.
spinach
One-way opt out has benefits. It’s a roundabout way of signing the guy for only a few years without ending up paying him a $35m salary when he is 38. But you have to be damned confident that he *will* opt out. And frontloading the deal would help so that he would be opting out of less money and therefore more likely to opt out.
deweybelongsinthehall
It’s an agent’s trick that only helps the player, guarding against injury or a sudden decline in play. Enough contracts have elapsed to see that the players benefit far more than team.
pasha2k
And…..he’s a natural Fenway hitter.
smallball
He’s the second best player in baseball behind Trout over the past 4 years, saying he relies on “speed etc.” is just ridiculous. I’m not saying he won’t lose a step in regards to his speed, but he’s an elite defender who hits homers and doubles at an elite clip. What you should have said was “any team that signs any player past age 35 will regret it.”
thetruth 2
He’s not an elite power hitter.
deweybelongsinthehall
He’s Rickey Henderson in today’s game. Not too shabby. Granted Henderson’s physique allowed him to play longer than normal expectations. Of course Rickey stole more bases but many were not valued steals. Mookie’s arm and overall defense makes up for that.
stymeedone
Almost every big deal winds up a regret!
ForestCobraAL
“Whoever gives Mookie that big deal is going to regret it sooner rather than later he will decline faster …”
THIS
Mookie will be out there in April if he holds out for a $350 million deal. He’ll never see Harper money.
Bet the house on that.
123redsox
Harper got his big deal because of his marketability. Betts Will get paid 35+ aav because he’s a better ball player
elmedius
So if the Sox lose two first round picks and two second round picks like the Astros did… and Mookie walks with a qualifying offer attached to him; does that knock out the two first round picks the first draft? Or how would that work?
Ashtem
The Red Sox are not getting that type of punishment
luckyh
They absolutely will.
rivera42
Why the hell not? They were caught, given a pass but told to stop(as was the rest of MLB), and they continued to do it? They should be receiving a severe punishment but after seeing how lightly the Astros got off, I don’t have faith that Manfred will grow a pair all of a sudden.
Bruin1012
I will be shocked if the Red Sox lose two first round picks and two second round picks.
I’m guessing the commissioners office is already seeing how pervasive that the going into the relay room and stealing sign sequences was around baseball that they wont open Pandora’s box. My guess is that the commissioners office will come back and say no credible evidence and end the whole thing.
I could be wrong but I think they made an example of Houston because of they were doing it differently then every other team was. I’m just guessing that the office has suspicion that other teams were stealing signs in the replay room and what are they going to do come down on those teams during the season with all the turmoil that comes with it. Doubt it.
We shall see but I think that they wanted to send a message and get rid of a bad egg and they have done that. If they do throw the book at Boston then all bets are off but my guess is it won’t happen.
findingnimmo
I would assume it would be their next best draft pick, so their third round pick in this circumstance. Right?
findingnimmo
Wait never mind I see what your saying. I was looking at it the other way around. For ur question I would think “their” first two picks. Not picks they get from other clubs.
ramon garciaparra
Teams that issue qualifying offers and lose the free agent receive a compensatory pick between the second and third rounds. The only exception occurs when a small market revenue sharing team is the team. They receive a pick between the first and second rounds as long as the players signs a contract with a value in excess is $50 million.
This actually comes into play for the Astros in the upcoming draft. They receive pick number 72 for having lost Garrit Cole. They will not lose this pick. The same mc ay occur in the following year when Carlos Correa is a free agent.
So if the Red Sox receive a penalty it will not affect compensatory picks nor will any pick by rule be a first round pick anyway. Their pick will fall between rounds two and three. Jackie Bradley is also a free agent next year so holding him and offering a qualifying offer would be another avenue toward compensating for any penalty picks that mlb inflicts in the Red Sox. Something to consider with trade rumors on both of these players. The compensatory picks might be seen as a way to at least salvage a draft.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Nobody is going to touch JBJ with a QO attached to him. He’s expensive for what he does at 11M, so much so the Soxs will have to eat a significant portion of money just to trade him. In fact JBJ is undoubtedly accepting that QO presented with that situation. If the plan is going to be to hang onto Betts, which IMO they absolutely should, they may be better off cutting him since his contract is non guaranteed and going after an underperforming guy with QO potential to see if they can catch lightening in a bottle through FA or trade. The guy that comes to mind in that situation is a guy like maybe Puig. They might be able to shed 4-5 M with a cheap one year type deal if they are going to be that concerned with the threshold and well the future.
If the Soxs lose picks as the Astros they are in a hot mess. Holding players doesn’t salvage the draft in the least bit if they can’t get under, 5th round slot money is minuscule relative to what the Astros gain in Cole and being under threshold. I have major doubts if they can get under the threshold. So much so they are probably in a better position to go crazy after Betts next offseason to ensure resigning him or trade him for the best package at hand come the TDL. Because if they don’t and Betts walks he’s only bringing back a 5th round pick if they don’t pull something out of the sleeves to get under. Moving price is going to be hard, JBJ & JD same boat, Eovaldi next to impossible. If they are handed down a punishment like the Astros they are clearly in a really bad spot. That spot can change drastically if all goes right with their injured SPs and them finding a productive couple diamonds in the rough though.
bradthebluefish
Great Q
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
It wouldn’t really matter, because (if and it’s a big if they skated under the threshold) Soxs would be receiving a pick after second round in round B. Obviously round A follows the first and it a points for certain designations. The way it’s structured now, and it’ll be hard to see them changing it unless they get extremely creative like say somehow flip Price to the Pads for Myers in a AAV type loophole etc, then the compensation won’t be until after the 4th round. The whole hypothetical of losing the first two rounds isn’t really relevant in this discussion they just wouldn’t get their first two picks and slot money. Now it’s a different story if they went crazy and signed a QO player.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Losing Mookie just nets them a likely 5 rounder or a pick after the 2 round if they can make miracles happen. The 1&2 are designed for 20 along with a 1&2 in 21 in your hypothetical. Hope that helps.
bradthebluefish
I want to see Mookie Betts traded. Players who refuse to talk extensions don’t deserve to be on our payroll. Ship him elsewhere.
Ashtem
Yep if he wanted to stay he would have signed an extension a long time ago
YankeesBleacherCreature
The pre-free agency system currently in place games younger productive players by underpaying them. Betts is certainly within his rights to test the market. It’s not like the Red Sox can’t bid on him then.
theredsoxrule
he’s making 27 MILLION dollars this year…underpaid?
mohoney
For the dollar value of his performance? Absolutely.
BobLanier'sFeet
I don’t think Betts actually likes Boston, contrary to whatever has been reported. I see him ending up with the Yanks/Mets/Cubs or Angels.
pasha2k
After Ellsbury I doubt the Evil Empire would want Mookie, plus they don’t need him for that money. Boston press n fans are intense in Boston n far worse than NYY press for sure. Some players want a less intense place to play yet get the money from a big market, someplace like San Diego.
thetruth 2
Dodgers are more likely. Angels already have Upton/Trout/Adell, the Yankees have Stanton/Hicks/Judge and won’t spend big 2 off seasons in a row, the Mets don’t spend. Cubs are a maybe.
thetruth 2
This.
bradthebluefish
Btw, trading Betts midseason is a stupid idea because the amount of money he’ll be owed isn’t something a team can easily pick up midseason. Best to make the numbers work now, not later.
Col_chestbridge
I’m going to have to request that we never use the initials CBT. Either spell it out or use Luxury Tax. CBT already means… too many other things.
tigerd7335
Lol AGREED
DarkSide830
exactly what i was thinking
Strike Four
I still think the A’s are the best match for Mookie. So many 2B prospects, plus Bassitt, Canha, Pinder etc etc there’s so many easily-covered-for players they could offer that would maybe even make Boston win more games than just Mookie alone, but A’s would hit the lead for AL favorites with that move.
thetruth 2
Their pitching still sucks.
Meftfaninfl
Mookie to the mets, Steve Cohen is a fan of history and the Mets love their mookies
pasha2k
Lol I forgot that! Mookie in CF
bjupton100
JBJ and $6,000,000 to the Rays for nothing, maybe Drake but probably alot less. I’d be interested in Price to Tb also but they’d have to send about $45,000,000 along. Yarborough, someone from bottom top 30 and a fringe lottery ticket. Rays get a familiar vet to stick in the back of the rotation and lead them back to the World Series.
peterdipersio06
The Red Sox will wait until the trade deadline in 2020 to unload Betts that way they can get more for him. The demand will be higher at that point
bobtillman
Again, this “obsession” with getting in under the tax was bush-wah to begin with. There’s NO way Henry/Warner cut the quality of the brand in order to save few sheckles. They just don’t do things that way. And they’re too reversely integrated NOT to have a poor season dramatically affect their bottom line.
They’ll whine and moan; ever know a boss who didn’t? But they’ll continue to operate in the higher echelon of salaries. Whatever way the decisions are made, right or wrong, will be based on baseball considerations, not financial ones.
deweybelongsinthehall
Bob, they need to do something because another bad start and NESN ratings will tank. Sox fans watch a winner for sure but when the team stunk in 14 and 15, ratings suffered. In today’s boring style of play, it could end up being 3ven more dramatic.
bobtillman
Couldn’t agree more, and you see those things. Between NESN, the Globe, and all their other investments, winning is important in Boston; yes, even more important than in other places.
Again, I’m not saying they’ll make the RIGHT decisions; Lord knows 14/15 were ugly. But there won’t be decisions made solely on the dollar. They realize perhaps more than most how counter-productive (in their specific market and situation) that type of thinking is.
mike156
A Betts trade may not make sense for virtually anyone. Of course, he’s a terrific player, but he’s also an expensive one on an absolute basis. The acquiring team needs to be a competitive one where Betts could be a difference-maker, and has to have the money to pay him, be under the cap, or just not care about going over it–but remember, going over it (or staying over it) amplifies costs going forward, so it’s not just $27M. Plus whatever prospects Boston wants, which could haunt them for a decade. Worst case scenario, you make the deal, Betts gets injured or underperforms–or the rest of your team gets injured and underperforms, and you’ve spent a fortune.
For Boston, they can keep Betts and his expected high performance, and get a draft pick when he walks, so they can’t sell cheap, unless, privately, they are determined to get under the cap, and are willing to assume the reputational risks with their fans.
It’s difficult to see how a “fair” trade could be made with some assuredness.
ForestCobraAL
REDS
Scrap1ron
Why would any team that can afford Betts give up decent prospects for a short term rental and then risk losing him in free agency? Better to wait until he’s a free agent, then pay the man if you want him.
deweybelongsinthehall
Do you want to win in 20 before some of your talent leaves? If you believe Mookie and/or Price are the difference, you bite the bullet.
canocorn
My team can’t afford Mookie Betts, but we may be able to hire Dickey Betts to play the National Anthem.
madmc44
Good luck to Mookie. MLB needs to overhaul the Competitive balance—If Tampa gets a check and doesn’t spend it on improving their team but instead subsidizes the cost of doing business screw them. With average attendance of 14,734–they don’t deserve an equal share of TV.
Re. Luxury Tax–increase the threshold to 2 X whatever each team gets from the Revenue Sharing inc. TV. Teams should be rewarded for putting a competitive team on the field. Tampa likes their system and I like their system but don’t penalize the RSox, Yanks, Cubs, Dodgers, ST.Louis for how they run things.
If the RSox put a decent team on the field and show the league they are spending 70 % (Ex)
on the product they should be rewarded.
madmc44
In 2018 each MLB team rec’d $118 M.from the TV Share.
In 2018 each team rec’d $91 M per team from a category called National Revenues.. That represents just about what the Luxury Tax is. $200 M and change.
If you prorated the Revenue Sharing from these two categories and then included the Average Attendance
for each team and gave attendance a factor–it would be a more fair Luxury Tax..
Tampa’s average attendance in 2019 was 14,734-the RSox average attendance was 36,106. If the Sox spent more money to put a competitive team on the field–
$237 M–Tampa’s total Payroll was $104 M. We are comparing apples to oranges. The Yankee Revenue is even greater.
I don’t diss Tampa—management does a remarkable job. The choice is their’s as it should be the Yanks, Dodgers, RSox, Cards, Cubs and Dodgers.
I am a Sox fan–If Tampa chooses to use a 100M of Revenue Sharing money, don’t penalize other teams for their way to use turnstile profits.
Tampa chooses to find diamonds in the ruff the Sox choose to pay players for the value they bring to the team and the city or region that demands a competitive team.
deweybelongsinthehall
Should also be a cost of living kicker. Some states have no income taxes and it simply costs substantially more to live in similar areas of many big market clubs compared to middle America.
therealryan
I’m so confused by your rant. You keep saying if teams don’t put a competitive product on the field, they don’t deserve revenue sharing and use Tampa Bay as your example. Over the past dozen years, the Rays have the 5th most wins in the entire sport and are coming off of 2 straight 90+ win seasons. How are they not putting a competitive product on the field? If anything, I would argue the Rays are MLB’s shining example of the benefits of MLB revenue sharing. The Rays are a bottom 3 revenue team yet they have continued to excel despite playing in the most competitive, highest spending division in baseball.
Backatitagain
Bosox need to package Price and Betts with another asset to acquire an MLB top fifty pitcher and outfielder. This would free the organization for future championships. How about Price, Betts, and cash to the Braves for Christian Pache and Ian Anderson. Would need cash for fifty percent paydown over three years.
slider32
Fangraphs has the Sox as the 4th best team on paper ahead of the Twins, Rays, and Mets, so Bloom knows he can win with the team he has now. He will only make moves that can keep them in contention and improve the team in the future. It’s as simple as that!
jmi1950
The 2018 Sox won 84 games with negative stats from Price, Sale and Evouldi. If those three rebound they are contenders. Otherwise they are toast. It would be stupid to trade them when their value is negative.
Anyone who thinks they know what Betts will or will not do is kidding themselves. Last year Bogarts said he wasn’t interested in an extension and then changed his mind.
deweybelongsinthehall
Really big ifs with the pitching. Other than the playoffs in 18, when was the Sox starting staff healthy at the same time for any significant stretch? That’s my issue with valuing the current team so high.
jmi1950
I’m not valuing them that high and neither is any other team right now. That leaves two choices: 1. give up and trade low or 2. keep them all for better or worse.
Cooperdooper7
The amount of assumptions most of you make during all these comments and replies are comical. Believing anything written in stories like this (which by the way is a complete repeat of what has been written all along), just makes all of the assumptions look even more less educated……
thetruth 2
Betts doesn’t like Boston is pretty obvious.
Cooperdooper7
another assumption
grumpy3b
yaaawn…Betts isn’t gonna be moved this early. Season is long & moving him now might be shortsighted. He’s an amazing player of the sort that, when added to an already potent lineup, would be that final puzzle piece…
Now the real question is… how is Betts doing in this weeks PBA Hall of Fame tournament? He is actually a solid player, not PBA caliber yet but with more time he could well be able to make a few cuts. He isn’t close to having the tools to complete just yet, two or three years of 100 games/day practice and he could be competitive. THAT’S what folks should be yakin’about…