2:54pm: There’s “legitimate concern” for Beltran’s job at the moment, Puma tweets.
7:36am: When Carlos Beltran was hired to manage the Mets on November 1st, his stint as a veteran anchor of the 2017 World Series-winning Astros was one of his better resume lines. With two other managers now fired for their roles in the Houston sign-stealing scandal, and Beltran cited as a participant in the report on the scheme, his time with the ’Stros now represents a stain that calls into some doubt his future in New York.
Beltran won’t be suspended by the commissioner Rob Manfred since he was a player at the time of the rules violations. And there is no specific indication at this point that Beltran’s new job is in jeopardy. But with Alex Cora following A.J. Hinch onto the unemployment rolls, it’s inevitable that the Mets will need to reach a decision on Beltran and address it with the media.
When the Astros scandal broke, Mike Puma of the New York Post notes on Twitter, Mets GM Brodie Van Wagenen was rather dismissive of the idea that it would have any impact on Beltran’s status. “I have no idea if anything did or did not,” said Van Wagenen, “but at this point I don’t see any reason why this is a Mets situation.”
The GM didn’t know then that Beltran would specifically be cited as a chief protagonist (alongside Cora) in the perpetration of the Houston rules violation scheme. And the magnitude of the scandal wasn’t yet clear. It also now seems that Beltran lied in his prior comments on the subject to the media.
At the moment, the Mets are taking a deliberative approach, per SNY.tv’s Andy Martino (Twitter link). While the Red Sox acted quickly to dump Cora, his departure was more obviously mandated by recent developments (including the fact of a separate investigation into the Boston organization). Beltran is at the moment preparing for his first Spring Training in the managerial seat, per Martino.
Indeed, we’re just a month out of the opening of camp, which will officially kick off a rather momentous year for the Mets organization. As Ken Davidoff and Joel Sherman of the New York Post explain in their worthwhile summation of the subject, there’s a reasonable concern that the high-profile situation will create quite the distraction for the Mets. That’s all the more true given that Hinch and Cora will be sitting out spring camp; Beltran will be scheduled to engage with the media on a daily basis and was already sure to attract close coverage.
There’s also the question whether an ethically compromised figure still ought to be trusted with the keys to the roster, a topic that the Post duo also broach. And perhaps there’s still some thirst around the game (and in the public sphere) to see further punishment meted out. That consideration doesn’t change the moral equation for the Mets, but does create added potential practical difficulties. On the other hand, making a change at this point obviously comes with a host of other risks.
It’s a tough spot for the Mets, who otherwise had no connection whatsoever to this scandal. How Van Wagenen navigates the situation could well weigh heavily on his own long-term job security.
DarkSide830
i doubt theyll do anything if the league isnt going to punish him, but i also dont buy he isnt getting punished after having been explicitly mentioned in the report.
aneternalenigma
The report said Beltran wasn’t being punished.
DarkSide830
i really just have a hard time believing it given what the report said about his role. honestly, i feel like if he wasnt already the coach of another team or had already done the same in New York he would have been booked for it already.
oz10
So you have a hard time believing the actual punishment handed down that specifically states no persons that were players on that team are going to be punished? Not sure how they can spell that out any clearer for you.
antibelt
Different set of rules for members of the players union. Hence, no punishment for Beltran. Being that there is a possible stoppage in the near future, MLB didn’t want to have to fight them on this as well.
stwawk
That’s what MLB has said. That doesn’t apply to individual organizations.
retire21
But he’s not a player now. No concern with taking on the players’ union. Or at least there shouldn’t be.
justinept
Courts work on things called precedent. If Beltran is punished for his actions as a player, it becomes the standard for which any 2017 Astros player can be punished …
deweybelongsinthehall
Beltran won’t be punished by MLB for his actions as a player but if he lied or misrepresented himself during the interviewing process, he should be gone as a manager. Sort of like misstating you’re resume. Many of lost their jobs. Integrity is so important.
Jpenglish
I completely agree he should be fired for misrepresentation of his involvement in this incident during the hiring process. Had the NYM had all the information they would have never hired him. This would be a great opportunity for a new precedent to be set by owners. If you lie, cheat, and misrepresent yourself your contract will be voided. This would help teams get out from giant contracts when players are discovered cheating with PED’s.
retire21
But it’s not a court of law.
Jpenglish
Are you suggesting a legally binding contract between two parties is not a matter of civil law?
deweybelongsinthehall
Players have the union and an agreed course of action regarding discipline. Ever notice how hard it is to fire a teacher or officer? There has to be cause, a material violation of the CBA. Managers have a contract which is easier to break but also at times vague. If not addressed in the agreement or for like most others with no union or contract, the majority of states are at will employers meaning you can be fired without justification as long as the act doesn’t violate the rights of a protected class (discrimination).
pnedwek
courts also believe in perjury which is what beltrsn DoD
teufelshunde4
Perjury only applies in court under oath. Beltran lying to Sherman isnt under oath, crappy for sure but not illegal.
ForestCobraAL
“The report said Beltran wasn’t being punished.”
Beltran is the manager of the New York Madoffs.
The rules don’t apply to the Madoffs.
rwdavis22461
He will get punished how nobody will take him seriously now for HOF consideration . He was the ring leader sure he won’t get suspended but out of all the players on Houston he was the onlly one mentioned by name he took a big PR hit
iamhector24
If you think Beltran isn’t getting into the HOF over this I have a bridge to sell you.
SheltonMatthews
Agreed. Not being a good enough player is what will keep him out
Jubilee3333
Absolutely!
MrAngelFan
All players that cheated should have to wear a giant scarlet “C” on their uniform so everyone knows they cheated. Steroids users as well.
dynamite drop in monty
Ok how are you going to prove who “cheated”? You guys just want to lick boots.
robb5215
So what the commish is saying, is its alright for players to cheat? Great news for shoeless Joe Jackson. The commish needs to reinstate him.
dynamite drop in monty
That was over 100 years ago
deweybelongsinthehall
SJJ should be reinstated and in the HOF. Look at his stats from the WS that got him kicked out. If certain HOF players can be in who many feel used PEDS, he should be in. I’m not comparing the two but from what I’ve read, there seems to be more circumstantial evidence against those “apparent” users than there was against SJJ.
montana blue
I believe Beltran will be let-go…he lied at his hiring press conference…you lie, you die
emac22
Or get elected to office.
maxorange33
Your TDS doesn’t belong in a sports discussion.
longsuffering
Not necessarily TDS. Politicians have been lying since time immemorial. DJT has just taken it to new levels.
julyn82001
Steroids, women beaters, cheaters, the list goes on. What in the world gives? And the money they get paid OMG!!! Kids are watching for Pete’s sakes…
holycowdude
Pete…Rose’s sake?
iamhector24
It’s your job to raise your kids and no one elses. If you can’t figure out how to raise children don’t have them.
jleve618
What the hell is TDS?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
iam — Well, that is a rather skewed way to look at things. For millions of years, communities and tribes also had major roles in raising kids. That approach seemed to do a much better job than how it is done today. While it is easy to say, “Don’t have them” (which I guess makes you pro-choice, which is good), the tougher conversation is, how do we create better communities and more empathic and compassionate cultures.
julyn82001
Exactly…
ilikebaseball 2
So if one person lies its okay for another to do it 10 fold?
Badfinger
July, so are you saying only athletes are guilty of this behavior? And what does the amount of money they are paid have to do with it? You are obsessed with athlete’s salaries.
deweybelongsinthehall
Our president to my knowledge hasn’t used PEDs. One look should be the first clue although that orange glow suggests he’s used something…
deweybelongsinthehall
My bad. He has been a womanizer, not a beater.
lautrec 2
The way you create better communities is go back to instilling morals and strong values in your children. Also teach them they are not victims and they are not a label. Educate them with real and efficient knowledge instead of the garbage being spewed at most colleges and schools now. And don’t glorify the state. The government serves the people. The people do not serve the government.
fox471 Dave
Particularly in New York.
canocorn
Steal a little and they throw you in jail
Steal a lot and they make you king
-BD
deweybelongsinthehall
Or president.
ForestCobraAL
Beltran is the manager of the New York Madoffs.
The rules don’t apply to the Madoffs.
CursedRangers
The sooner Beltran is let go the better. The Astros report was brutal. I imagine the Red Sox one won’t be any better. Whether it’s fair or not, Beltran is going to be catching a ton of heat if he stays as manager. The team doesn’t need/deserve the onslaught that will come their way. Cut ties and move on.
scicco19
Agreed
toastyroasty
And the Trainwreck that is the Mets rolls on…
ForestCobraAL
The rules don’t apply to the Madoffs.
njbirdsfan
What’s the world record for posting the exact same comment?
ForestCobraAL
It was Beltran’s IDEA.
ABStract
And a stupid one at that
boo rad
Pretty sure it’s not his… would say that record belongs to the DB yanks fan who constantly uses an 1800’s reference as his go to.
joeyrocafella
it was a lame comment the first 2 times… it’s still lame the 3rd time
ForestCobraAL
Hi sugar! Want to go on a date?
JerseyShoreScore
An untested, unestablished track record as a manager, documented participant in cheating, there is ZERO reason to move forward with Beltran is the new face of the franchise.
Perez was an equally strong candidate, with a similarly non-existent track record, just move on from Beltran. It is not like you are losing out on some established Hall of Fame manager in Beltran.
DarkSide830
you forget the big factor here: the Wilpons assuredly dont want to pay 2 managers
padam
I’m sure there’s verbiage around breach of contract due to his non disclosure. And I doubt he’d fight it.
bleedblueandorange
3. Callaway still getting paid.
Allknowingone
Calloway took a job with the Angels so the Mets are paying the difference in salary for one year. The Mets should take this as a blessing and hire John Gibbons or John Farrell. This is a talented team and it wan not wise to hire a rookie manager to begin with. I never liked this hiring for this team.
sureshotschmitty
3 managers
Callaway,Beltran,new guy
deweybelongsinthehall
Beltran’s might be voidable. Look at schools who got out of coach’s contracts because of resume “errors”.
larry48
The Mets should do the right thing and fire Beltran unless they want to learn how to cheat. Do Mets want to be a cheater reminder every day? Just think of all the negative stores about the Mets. There probably will be 1 every day for the rest of the off season and maybe all season.
Ma4170
I couldn’t agree more… I think it’s clear he was very involved along w Cora, but I don’t think my Mets will do the right thing. I wanted Buck as the hire the whole way along anyway. But now they should let Beltran go and give it to Perez or Meulens IMO
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
If they’re “your” Mets then you have the power to fire him or keep him, no? So if you think he should be let go, then please fire him and we can end this story once and for all.
Ma4170
Done… he’s gone
wildboys
I like the idea of Meulens taking over.
Perez on the bench.
sureshotschmitty
Good idea
padam
Perez will land a job. Two, possibly three have just opened. And considering he was the runner up in the Mets search, I’m sure they’ll tap him on the shoulder if they move on from Beltran.
AtlSoxFan
When you look at the timeline, here’s a mix adding what the athletic story tells us:
Beltran played for the yankees 2014-2016.
Per the athletic the yankees were electronically stealing signs using the replay room certainly 2015, 2016, 2017, and ???
While in NY Beltran appears to have learned the system. Upon going to the Astros he talks the rookie bench coach (Cora) into implementing a yankees style system to steal signs but with some tweaks.
Cora then goes to boston, carrying part of beltran’s NYY system with him.
Sounds plausible.
brewpackbuckbadg
Related question: Since Luhnow and Hinch are fired does their one year suspension start/continue once another team rehires them much like suspensions are like MLB players are just for MLB games and not if they are sent down or unsigned?
fmj
I’ve wondered the same thing. I’ve never heard anything more than baseless speculation though in response. id love to see some source of legit information.
MB923
My guess is they will still be suspended for 162 games if/when they’re hired again with an MLB team. Would like to find out the truth too, but if they were to get new jobs immediately (which I doubt), I’m fairly certain the suspension would start immediately.
mr. g
@MB… the suspensions are for the 2020 season, period. They should regain eligibility to hold a position in MLB at the conclusion of the 2020 World Series.
Maybe they can actually get hired prior to that, but I actually doubt it. They aren’t allowed to even step foot on a MLB premises, so I doubt they are allowed to discuss baseball activities in an interview. Regardless though, they can’t have anything to do with MLB until the end of the season, whether they hold a position this year or not.
chino31
Can they be hired as analysts for ESPN or Fox? Probably not for MLB Network.
deweybelongsinthehall
The reason players have to be able to play and on a roster I believe is related to the collective bargaining agreement.
deweybelongsinthehall
Theoretically they could unless the league has the contracted right to approve. Realistically no chance a party with a contract with MLB touches them during the time of their suspension,
DarkSide830
id assume they’d serve it regardless. players who have been suspened in the Majors cant be released until after their suspensions, but clearly personnel can be fired fired them.
RunDMC
No, but no team will come near them during that time and at least awhile afterward. You’ve got to deal with Manfred and MLB at every turn, and do you really want to bring that PR nightmare and possibly burn a bridge with MLB to bring aboard a manager or a GM? Other thing is, running a team is all about about relationships, and now you have a manager running a team of guys presumably affected by the sign stealing (LAD, NYY directly)? Good luck earning that trust and building that relationship. For Luhnow, he’s only as good as the moves he can make with the other GMs. Sure, some will forgive and forget, but his job just got harder to make deals with guys he screwed over by allowing this. Their jobs just got a lot more difficult than someone not involved with this, regardless if what they’ve done positively.
kevnames42
And i heard that apparently other GMs didn’t like Luhnow in the first place, so your point is even more valid
Col_chestbridge
That’s how it’s worked with player suspensions before, seems fair to assume that’s how it would work for them too. That being said it was specifically noted that the suspension for them starts January 13th, meaning they would both likely miss the usual times where new managers would be hired. Effectively, they both will have to sit out 2 seasons.
Tom E. Snyder
They cannot participate in MLB activities before the end of the 2020 World Series.
Zerbs63
The actual report said suspended until end of 2020 World Series. So IF they got rehired they could work again this November technically. Hopefully nobody is dumb enough to hire them. But then again there is the Mets..
RunDMC
BVW fires Beltran then gets dumped for Luhnow. Becomes Thor’s agent again and has to sit across the table from Luhnow at his old employer to discuss a contract.
IF this happens, please let cameras be present and 12-episode commitment. Please.
larry48
Also, the Padres, kept there GM after he was suspended for lying, He should have been fired then but was not sent a message that lying and cheating were ok in San Diego.
of9376
They are suspended this year (all 162 games) regardless of their employment status. Next year they are allowed to come back.
catchdogg
Montana – were you present during Beltran’s hiring process? You have NO IDEA what was disclosed. That said, only the media and haters want to push their agenda. Fact is, no players were punished and since Carlos is no longer a player, his name was made public. Address the media and put it to bed. In a week they’ll be more important things to write about and discuss.
daily phil
Montana didn’t say he lied during the hiring process, he said he lied during the hiring press conference about his involvement, which is 100% true, and even mentioned IN THIS ARTICLE. If you’re going to defend a cheater, at least get the facts correct.
catchdogg
Goes both ways, if you’re gonna punish Beltran then you gotta punish every single player on the roster that season. And, you gotta punish the Yankees, suspending Cashman and Boone for allowing Beltran to perpetrate his scheme.
montana blue
My point CatchDogg, is that Beltran lied. He could have said no comment to the question during his press conference or better yet, told the truth. But he didn’t do either, he chose to lie.
Vandals Took The Handles
@CatchDogg;
You were not present at the hiring process either. What’s your point.
If the guy and the Mets want to hide behind “no players were punished” (or held responsible) – that’s fine. They found a loophole. The manager is a part of management. There should be no questions about them.
P.S. I thought Beltran was BS before this scandal broke. He had no reason to be a manager, except that the FO could manipulate him. The fact that the Mets are hiding behind a loophole and the way they treated Callaway and some of the players says to me that this is a 2nd rate operation.
Ma4170
Agree… I’m not sure where players not being punished has anything to do w the Mets firing Beltran… they’re mutually exclusive topics… the league didn’t punish him because they don’t want to take on the players union, understood… the Mets firing Beltran is a judgment call and I personally think they’re making the wrong call.
Tom E. Snyder
I doubt the players union was a factor. Manfred said in the press release why he exempted the players.
deweybelongsinthehall
Tom, I disagree. Too much prosperity in the game right now to upset things with a new contract soon to be negotiated. The fact that Beltran now retired was the only identified player speaks volumes at least to me.
Vandals Took The Handles
The Mets hired him as manager because they thought he’d be a good influence for the players, someone they could look up to.
He lied to the media about his role. and either lied to Met management when this thing broke, or he told the truth and they’re sheltering him. Either way, this guy has established himself as having zip integrity.
Have been following the Mets the past few years. They keep this slick guy, I have 8-9 other teams that take my attention.
catchdogg
Be sure to take your foam finger with you.
Tom E. Snyder
“The Mets hired him as manager because they thought he’d be a good influence for the players, someone they could look up to.” PLAYER: Hey Boss, which kind of trashcan works best?
kevnames42
Do we get a plastic one or a metal one?
Prospectnvstr
The media has been LYING to us for years. Fire them ALL and start anew.
turner9
Beltran is only escaping suspension because he was a player. If they suspend him, they must suspend other Astros players who were implicated.
Just because he isnt getting suspended doesn’t mean hes absolved from getting fired
If the Mets want to do the right thing…. hes gotta go
msqboxer
If it’s true and he is implicated in the report as supporting and participating in the cheating, immediate termination. You can’t have a manager that will support breaking the rules and unwritten rules of the integrity of the game.
ForestCobraAL
“IF”
There is no __IF__. It was Beltran’s IDEA.
That’s in the report.
It was Beltran’s IDEA.
ExileInLA 2
Did Beltran tell BVW about his role when the story broke? If yes, and BVW hires him anyway, they should both go. If no, then Beltran should go for lying to his boss. But the daily press scrum with the NY media will be more like a piranha attack than ever before for weeks over this…
metsie1
The only way Beltran should be fired is if he lied to the Mets about his involvement. Otherwise, it wasn’t the Mets who are the alleged cheaters. It’s the Astros and Red Sox who are involved this time. Beltran was a PLAYER in Houston. Not a Manager or front office guy. Funny how no one mentions the 25 Astros or Red Sox players. Every single one had to “know” and were involved as they ALL benefited.
victorg
he was the lead veteran and if he masterminded it then yes he should be punished along with the other players.
metsie1
The players are NOT being punished. Lead veteran!? Not even sure what that means.
victorg
oldest … most experienced veteran on the team. and he SHOULD be but yeah i see that he wont be.
texasfury93
who cares, what the astros did isn’t quantifiable and has been blown out of proportion. everyone needs to stop sobbing, it’s just a game
texasfury93
who cares, what the astros did isn’t quantifiable and has been blown out of proportion. everyone needs to stop sobbing, it’s just a game
pinstripes17
the astros cheated and made a mockery of the game, nothing has been blown out of proportion.
texasfury93
and at least 7 other teams “cheated” deal with it
los_leebos
*blows thing out of proportion*: “nothing has been blown out of proportion”
texasfury93
draft picks lost, jobs lost, fines levied. all for what? a non-measurable impact? so what if players knew what pitch was coming, that doesn’t make it any less difficult to hit the ball and avoid 7 defenders. until someone is able to isolate if this had any impact (which it didn’t, the report stated that), people need to chill.
snotrocket
You really don’t think knowing what pitch is coming makes it easier to hit said pitch for a professional baseball player?
retire21
Actually, knowing what is coming ABSOLUTELY makes it easier to hit. That’s the whole point.
texasfury93
Easier to identify whether to swing or not.. But that doesn’t guarantee a positive outcome for each batted ball. It’s honestly ridiculous that people are being so dense about this situation.
canocorn
Kind of glad in a way, my team stunk these past several years. The cheating scandal would sting a lot more if my team had come thisclose to winning it all.
victorg
i was telling everyone who would listen when the story first broke that this had to have been Beltran … 1 because he was such a respected veteran that is why hinch could not shut it down 2 because for all of the players beltran was the first one to be thanked and then mentioned as being such a big part of the time even though he could not even contribute on the field …. he should be suspended and fired without pay. and i really wish Hinch would of had the stones to call him and Cora out on this and tell them it was unacceptable and had better not happen again or they would be suspended from the Astros … as a life long Astros fan the homer in me wants to say that the 2017 Astros would have won the WS without any help but NOW i have to wonder if Springers Epic WS was all a shame … to me this is even worse then steroids not even close.
melj
Let Beltran go now.
scottaz
The Mets have to realize from the commissioner’s report citing Beltran as Cora’s fellow architect of the cheating scheme, that any team Beltran is associated with will be singled out for closer scrutiny by the commissioner’s enforcement unit. Is he trying to set up a system to cheat again with his new team? Mets should fire him to avoid being the focal point of future cheating allegations.
ForestCobraAL
It was Beltran’s IDEA.
clepto
“I’m going to get the papers, get the papers.”
kpak
Beltran is like an odor that can be covered with frebreze but the odor will always be there..
California Halo's
Beltran is a Liar and a Cheat! Fire him!
victorg
but to be fair he only lied about being a cheater.
highandtight
I get the Ocean’s Eleven reference. Nice!
iamhector24
Your comment reeks of stupidity.
G Vanlue
The only thing Beltran was cited for in the report was being a part of group of players who wanted to “improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter”; aren’t both of those part of generally accepted procedure in baseball? Isn’t “decoding signals” something that Beltran has been given credit for, in a positive way? Seems like the use of technology is the bigger issue, and is there any connection to Beltran setting up that system, the way there clearly was with Cora? Not saying he’s innocent, just saying people are ascribing him a major role based on what seems to be very little public evidence.
gtb1
It was his idea. He and Cora made it happen. The others went along. Beltran received “immunity” to spill the details. Without Beltran, none of this would have happened the way it did but please understand that once MLB supported the crotch cam and video replay – all MLB teams had access to a live feed of the crotch cam if they wanted to. Take away crotch cam take away the problem.
billysbballz
Typical Mets, lol. I feel bad for them to be honest. Brody has a huge ego that’s why he refused to hire Joe Girardi. If anyone had half a brain in that organization they would fire Beltran and get rid of Brody.
Hire Buck to coach this team which is solid with a top starting rotation in all of baseball, find a competent GM that doesn’t have a huge ego and wasn’t a players agent!
VonPurpleHayes
I think not hiring Girardi was more of a financial decision. With Callaway and now Beltran, the Mets hired a manager for relatively cheap money. Where an accomplished manager like Girardi would cost a bit more.
fareast55
Gaylord Perry Hall of Fame Ejection Watch: Day 3
VonPurpleHayes
I mean it’s a tough call. He isn’t being disciplined by the league so the Mets don’t have to do anything at all, but does the organization really want a “tainted” new manager? I have a feeling they may fire him.
metsie1
LOL “tainted”. This is baseball. Long ago accepting of serial PED users. The HR King (Bonds) top of the list. We had a known steroid abuser melt down and throw a bat at an opposing player. (Clemens) The all-time hits leader was actively gambling on ML games (Rose). We had a guy lie about his drug test. (Braun still playing!?) Arod (lied openly about abusing steroids) is now an analyst on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball. Every player on the Astros and Red Sox are now in your terms “tainted”.
YET, if the Houston Astros called whoever your team is and offered you Carlos Correa or George Springer (all “tainted”) you would ALL be begging your team to make the trade. Hypocrites.
VonPurpleHayes
Bonds is not in the Hall. Possibly the greateast hitter ever is not in the Hall of fame. So yes. He is tainted.
Players like Braun still play because the players union would never allow them to be fired.
With managers it’s different. Brodie can fire Beltran in an instant, and I think he will because he is “tainted” in the eyes of the public. Call it hypocritical if you want.
thomasg2018
Fry his butt. One of main offenders.
DakotaExpert
Beltran has to go. Sometimes there are consequences for what you do.
DakotaExpert
They also need to do this sooner rather later. The longer it goes on worse the Mets look.
luckyrabbit
This former Met fan says – get rid of Beltran! This will follow him forever. They blew their chance to get me back when they hired him over Joe!
iamhector24
Former? You disgust me.
nymetsking
Doesn’t sound like you were much of a fan anyway.
stwawk
“And perhaps there’s still some thirst around the game . . . to see further punishment meted out. “
I’m not so sure about that statement. Maybe it’s true for a host of front offices, but with those players on teams that weren’t contenders at the time thus making the egregious actions on part of the Astros somewhat irrelevant to them? I’ve read countless stories about how a number of players are pissed at Fiers for opening this can of worms in the first place.
When will MLB learn its lesson? Ever? If a team has to go to the lengths the Astros (and perhaps others) went to in order to secure a competitive advantage, doesn’t a light bulb go off in players heads that “gee, maybe this isn’t right?”
These players and organizations that are compromising the integrity of the sport because of their own greed, ambitions and yearning to win need to be checked — starting with the top. A few pennies and some draft forfeitures (which given the late picks the Astros were to receive in this upcoming draft makes that rather insignificant as far as punishment) don’t even represent the tip of the iceberg to atone for the damage that’s been done. Crane should have been stripped of his ownership rights. If MLB determines the Sox acted at the same level as the Astros, the same applies to Henry. There needs to be a stiff penalty that is so out of proportion to the offense that it makes organizations and players shake when the thought of crossing that line enters their heads.
And there’s no question that Beltran needs to go. He has ZERO credibility.
Shaun owens
it Seem like a least the last few years lot of hate for Alex Cora…I think I know why but not sure so why ..?
AtlSoxFan
Cora came with a ton of hype but very very little practical experience for the role he was being considered for.
While there’s a trend in mlb towards inexperienced managers, many (not all) of those postings have not been with what you consider a high-octane team – one with plenty of money and loaded with talent, clearly in a position they could win it all immediately.
The media market in boston is brutal, so, doubts or questions are mercilessly hashed and rehashed.
All those factors are reasons why I’d expect you get a feeling of “hate”.
beknighted
If the Mets had any integrity, they’d fire him.
But this is the LOLMets we’re talking about here.
macstruts
If the Mets had any integrity, they would not have traded for Cano.
Good luck finding players, teams, managers or owners with integrity. Marvin Miller is entering the Hall of Fame, the man was a winner, and had zero integrity.
Integrity is getting harder and harder to find.
davemlaw
Non-story. Beltran will stand behind the gag order and once the media vultures figure out he’s not saying anything and the season starts this story will be forgotten.
First week of spring training will be tough for Beltran but he’ll be ready for it and the story will die.
Sometimes these MLBTR green writers just want to put out a story so they can read it to themselves and think how good they are. A BETTER STORY would have been how this episode affects Beltran’s HOF chances. There you go Jeff Todd, freebie story. Run with it!
tomjoadsghost
I’d argue this isn’t going away first week of spring training. At least 10% of the teams are guilty of this, and the other teams that lost out bc of the cheating, they won’t forget. Between this and lack of caring about fans will all contribute to MLB drag down the country’s sports consciousness
notagain27
Players and Coaches are always looking for an edge. Beltran and Cora, as players and subordinates, took the scheme too far. I doubt either one of them wrote up the work order to run the cables and install the monitors used in the sign stealing setup. Apparently Cora took the scheme to Boston with him and that is why he is being punished. Astro officials should have stopped the process and didn’t, hence they paid the price. Should be a lifetime ban in my opinion.
ldoggnation
Let’s get this crappy situation behind us, get to spring training and here the ump yell out, PLAY BALL!
Goose
You have to remember, the rule states the coaches and GM will be responsible. Cora was on the coaching staff in 2017 and Beltran was a player. Beltran or any player still in the league in a non-player capacity are safe. Now the Mets may do something based on the language in his contract. I highly doubt it though.
Rsox
The Mets should and probably will dismiss Beltran. Even with no punishment coming from the commissioners office Beltran is such a central figure in this mess that moving forward with him as manager is going to be a 3-ring circus with the media.
When the Mets get to Port St.Lucie next month no one is going to be talking about Pete Alonso’s great rookie year or the new members of the starting rotation or the outlook on the 2020 season, instead all anyone will talk about is Beltran. It’s not fair to the team and the players to have to deal with a circus of events that didn’t even happen within the Mets organization. Fire Beltran and let BVW handle the questions while a new manager handles the team and removes an unnecessary distraction
DakotaExpert
They also need to do this sooner rather later. The longer it goes on worse the Mets look.
robertp
I love the naivete that exists in people thinking Beltran just participated with Cora or only did this in Houston. Considering he was a Yankee just prior to his time in Houston, Yankees fans should zip it about wanting retribution. Chances are very high that they were doing these exact same things (and they kind of were when you saw the 2017 fine for their improper use of the dugout phone). Likewise, holier than thou, “we did it the right way” Dodgers were accused by the Brewers in 2018 for using the replay room the exact same way. And in return some of the Dodger players tried to accuse the Brewers of the same thing.
If some reporter really decides to dig, Manfred and MLB is going to look exceptionally bad here. It’s not just Houston or the Red Sox. If you count the Brewer and Dodgers accusations and the Yankees 2017 fine alone, that’s 5 of the post season teams of the past 3 years. I would bet it is most, if not all of them involved. In fact it may be 20 or more teams as a whole. The idiotic move of keeping the replay room so close to the dugout was asking for problems. Move the room upstairs, man it with a non-team affiliated MLB official and have managers call up for review. That’s it. Move on and end the witchhunt.
We can’t invalidate entire postseasons because some team’s signs were stolen, a trick that could easily be replicated just by going back to your room and watching a replay of the game. No team has different signs for every single night. 162 different sets of signs would be chaos and nobody would remember anything.
Maybe it’s time for teams to move to wristbands where the pitching coaches signal the pitches they’d like to see to the Catcher and Pitcher and the Manager sends shift requests to the Fielders. No more hand signals, no more stealing outside of illegally hacking these bands/watches and that’s a federal crime.
AtlSoxFan
The athletic’s article quotes multiple yankees player sources as saying the replay room was regularly used by players in game to steal signs, exactly the same way as the red sox did, going back as far as 2015.
macstruts
Lots of things changed since 2015. Lots of new rules added. What teams did in 2015 is not nearly the same as what they did in 2017 and 2018 and beyond.
AtlSoxFan
Macstruts – it wasn’t only 2015. It was 2016, 2017 in the article as well. What it didn’t make clear was 2018 or 2019.
So yes, according the the athletic reporting in 2017 the yankees were using the replay room to electronically steal signs, same methodology as boston, IF you believe the player sources
Among other quotes, try this one:
“By 2017, with rules governing electronic sign stealing still lacking the specificity that would come the next season, the Red Sox, Yankees and Astros were all using their replay rooms to help decode sign sequences in some way, sources said. There are indications other teams did so as well. One National League general manager expressed a feeling that it was fair game.”
prov356
Van Wagenen: “but at this point I don’t see any reason why this is a Mets situation.”
That still holds true but if Beltran isn’t let go, he’s inviting it to be a Mets situation. I think Beltran should be fired before Spring Training starts so they can start the spring with the manager who will take them through the season. I don’t see media and fan pressure diminishing for the Mets. If Beltran was only one of a number of players who benefited, that’s one thing. But it sounds like he had an integral part of planning and implementation. Throw in the lack of candor and that should be an easy decision for the Mets.
Scrap1ron
The Mets have been a 3 ring circus for quite a while. Apparently things are going to get worse before they get better. I have tickets for the Mets vs Astros spring training game Feb. 26th in Port St. Lucie. Should be an interesting game.
who_are_you_people
Quite honestly, I don’t see why Beltran should be fired. Yes, he is listed in the report, but it’s in one section of it, saying that they should try to find better ways of sign stealing. It didn’t mention anything about him using cameras or other technology. That was Cora. Plus, let’s not forget that the only reason that he’s named in the first place is that he’s not a player anymore but in a baseball position of importance. He does not have the MLBPA protection of an Altuve or Bregman. It’s a show of force that they can punish him, but won’t because, unlike what a majority of people think, he wasn’t the mastermind of it all. Just a role player like that of his team mates. Sign stealing is part of the game and will be for as long as the game exists, and I’m sure more teams than the Astros and Redsox were doing this as-well. Now they just need to be more cautious about how they do it. The Mets won’t, nor should they really do anything.
macstruts
He cheated and lied through his teeth. But people really don’t care.
If you want a guy with no integrity running your team, he’s you man.
who_are_you_people
He lied to the media. No big deal. Every team player, manager, owner and politician do. What makes this so special. If you want to vilify Beltran, that’s fine. Just don’t go out on a false crusade of morality. When the investigation was going on is when he told the truth. That’s all that should matter.
empirejim
It’s all ok as long as you don’t get caught? Just be more careful? Great integrity you have there.
who_are_you_people
It’s not about integrity, it’s fact. If you think a last place team isn’t trying to get a leg up on their opponent as well is delusional.
AssumeFactsNotInEvidence
We have a group of Mother Theresa’s over here. Wooooo weeeeee!
Eufrates
I think that Beltran will resign, for the “good of the team” :-).
Rsox
Probably right. The same way that the Red Sox and Alex Cora “mutually decided to part ways”. Try to save face by looking like the bigger person when in reality Cora was fired
Dominicano02
Managing the Mets is punishment itself let him manage the team!
empirejim
If Hinch gets suspended because he did nothing to stop the cheating why do the players get off without even a slap on the wrist? They knew they were in the wrong but did it anyway. They should not walk away from this unscathed.
Jon429
Because MLB doesn’t care to pick another fight with the MLBPA?
Nathan Phillips
Because to try and assign degrees of blame to each player who was on the team would be a nightmare, that they didn’t want this thing to drag on into the season in a fight with the players union, and because there are many players from the 2017 and 2018 Astros who are on other teams and to penalize those teams would be really harsh.
empirejim
It’s already a nightmare. Best to take care of the cancer even if it requires radical steps. Leave it there, it only spreads. Sooner or later it will destroy the host. MLB, once a robust entity, will be reduced little by little, step by step, until what is left is a sickly shell of it’s former glory.
Motionowns
Seriously doubt altuve will get in the hof when the time comes because of this. With that said player’s aren’t payed to think their paid to perform.. kinda think if someone didn’t perticipate almost makes them a bad teammate… Baseball is a game cheating happens in games..contracts are guaranteed… There isn’t anything here either immoral nor criminal . Why shouldn’t players try and score some extra scratch for themselves by stat padding. It does suck that at came at the expense of yu darvish and a few other players earnings.
MarlinsFanBase
Considering that all MLB teams do some sort of due diligence, especially when they take as long as the Mets did to hire Beltran, the Mets knew this would be an issue they would have to address. If they didn’t, it makes you question if they did any due diligence. That franchise’s leadership has been a fecal storm of laughing stock proportions…and I’m saying this as a Marlins fan that endured the Loria era in Miami.
If the Mets now have to fire Beltran after hiring him, before he even manages a game, it’s going right there with the rest of the moves their leadership has done for over 20 years that have screamed of ineptitude.
And to the true Mets fans out there, it’s pretty sad. You guys root for the team that is in the biggest market in the NL East, but has shown the most incompetence…even outdoing my Marlins under the Loria era. None of other the NL East fans of the Braves, Phillies, Nats or Marlins would trade our teams for the Mets…and that’s sad for true Mets fans…and again really sad that a Marlins fan of all fans is saying this.
lowtalker1
Braves market is far superior. It doesn’t take the burro of queens/flushings. It basically takes over the entire south eastern portion of the United States
MarlinsFanBase
The Braves have a lot of the TV market in the southeastern U.S., but not the entire market.
I don’t think they’re even televised in Florida any more. And you can’t find a Braves fan presence south or Orlando or in the Tampa/St. Pete area.
In North Carolina, a lot of the northern parts of that state are Orioles and Nats country.
As far as park attendance, other than Georgia Braves fans, you get some scattered Georgia state borders fandom.
Nice market, but not the entire southeast. And with the Mets, they get more revenue. That’s a reality of all of our markets. If we were going by geographical size/distance, The Mets would be behind the Braves because of the coverage that we both mention; behind the Nats since they extend into the Virginias and norther parts of North Carolina; and the Marlins who have most of everything south of Orlando and extend into the Caribbean and eastern parts of Latin America. We know that this would not be a true reflection of revenue market size because the Braves, Nats and Marlins don’t generate the market revenue that the Mets do in NY.
mecousinvinny
What you say is true — Beltran should never have been hired — with a looming scandal and NO MLB experience and the window open for possible playoff entry was not the time to hire someone learning on the job — but your current ownership isnt that great — but really what teams owners are
Nathan Phillips
The Mets hired him before this story came out. They had no way of knowing this was going to happen, but now that it has happened it’s right up there ‘with what us Mets fans have had to suffer through. Bad luck really. Hindsight is 2020 in 2020. Sorry your team has to go through ;such a long rebuild, but hang in there, there will be better times. Have a good day
MarlinsFanBase
Nathan Phillips, are you saying the Mets didn’t do their due diligence to know this could happen? Because any team that did their due diligence would see that this could happen. They had a way of knowing. It’s not hindsight 20/20. They were fully aware that MLB was looking into it and that Beltran was in the very least a person of interest.
And as for my team’s long rebuild, don’t look now, but it’s coming to an end soon. But feel free to take a shot at my team. It could be worse. We could be the team with the longest championship drought in the NL East. Guess what team that is.
Nathan Phillips
Wow man, I was not taking a shot at your team at all. I was being sincere. Maybe you’re used to people doing that, so that’s how you interpreted that. I had no malicious intent what so ever. I don’t like putting people down ever in my comments. I spent my high school being put down a’nd don’t wish that on anybody. The Mets themselves are going to experience a rebuild at some point. Your team fights hard and is pointing upwards.
In regards to Carlos Beltran. The Mets hired him on November 1st and the Astros scandal came out in the media on November 10th. There is no way they could have known it was going to come out. I wished that it would have come out before they hired him, but it didn’t. It’s sad bad luck
Nathan Phillips
P. S. One of the most moving experiences I’ve ever had in my life was when I was watching the Mets Marlins Series just after Jose Fernandez had died. Watching the game that Dee Gordon hit the home run was very special. I don’t know if you know it, but the Mets broadcast booth was crying convulsively throughout the game and every Mets fan at home watching it was too. I cried harder than I ever have and I was even routing for your team to win the game. It was a transformational moment. It was right up there with some of the greatest moments in sports history. I hope you have a good day and I’m sorry if I used language which could have been interpreted in any other way than in sincerity.. Texts and comments don’t carry the tone of voice that helps interpretation. Have a good spring training. I love the return to baseball.
MarlinsFanBase
Oh, sorry about that. Yeah, it was that a lot of fans, a lot of Mets fans, take shots at the Marlins. That’s why I thought it was another shot. Even if it was, it’s no big deal. It’s trash talk. It’s part of the fun of baseball. It isn’t like we wear business suits and drink tea at the games. No worries if it wasn’t or was a shot. I would never take it personal.
Yeah, the Fernandez stuff was sad. Someone I know someone who is is related to one of the other kids that died in that accident, so I saw a lot of the effects of it that went beyond baseball. It as sad and that game was a tough challenge. That year, the Marlins had a chance at the playoffs, but were mentally done after Jose’s death. After his death, the franchise’s roster as constructed was done because, while we had all those hitters, we had no pitching. That tragedy was a big part of what led to the rebuild. Without that, we were one more frontline pitcher away from becoming something special – probably the best team we would have ever had. But it wasn’t meant to be. One boat accident the result of a young man that made a fatally bad decision that cost himself and his friends their lives, their families and a franchise of their losses. Sad indeed.
But on a happier note, baseball’s back! Good luck to you and your team. NL East will be interesting once again. We’re the big underdogs again, until we start seeing the fruit of our rebuild, which starts more aggressively this spring. And you heard it here first…I’m not 100% sold on the Marlins finishing in last place again this year. We don’t get the hype because the national networks really don’t like Miami teams, but we’re building something really nice under the radar of the national media that E!SPN and FOX Sports are blindly unaware of…just like we did leading into 2003.
Bjoe
He will be fired.
lowtalker1
Fire him and then fire Brodie for being a re re
mecousinvinny
The Mets should let Beltran go but the question is are the Mets on the hook for his salary — Mets should have known better than to hire Beltran —
mro940
Carlos Beltran was an advisor to the Yanks in 2019. Hard to believe he didn’t share any of his cheating tactics during his tenure with the club…
AtlSoxFan
You mean you don’t believe every replacement level player brought in for peanuts instantly went from years of mendoza level production to hitting .300 just by pure chance and luck?
Shocking.
n2northsiders
Here’s something to think about. The Astros sign stealing was done at Minute Maid Park. How can you trust the stats of the players? All of them clearly had an advantage during home games. Their stats are misleading. If I had the time I would compare each players home and away stats. It should be interesting to see what those numbers look like.
mro940
They were offensively inept at home compared to their road splits. The cheating clearly wasn’t beneficial…but cheating is cheating 🙂
wordonthestreet
They cheated in the 2017 post season including world series. Take a look at game 7 first inning V. Darvish and then try to tell me it was not beneficial
cookmeister 2
first inning of game 7…….. at Dodgers stadium? lol c’mon, be better
IronBallsMcGinty
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&…
Hoosierdaddy92
I know this is nitpicking – but I am not sure calling Beltran a “chief protagonist” is the right way to describe his questionable actions. Maybe more like chief antagonist or chief perpetrator?
opranger
Beltran apparently was the leader in the clubhouse and field with cheating! Do you really want this guy as your manager?
mro940
Beltran will be punished, I assure you. His punishment is managing the New York Mets. Isn’t that enough??
whynot 2
His punishment according to you is making more money than you ever will, I’d take that punishment.
mro940
This comment did not age well 🙂
whynot 2
It works for the Patriots so why not for the Mets
maximumvelocity
If he lied, he should be fired.
Can’t start a clean slate with someone who can’t be trusted. It’s not football or basketball anyway, where there are specific philosophies and systems put in place during the offseason.
Frisco500
Impeach Beltran 2020! But seriously, he should be fired.
Philsmania
What I am wondering is that even though this happened at the tail end of what was an illustrious career for Beltran, will this hamper or even possibly derail his Hall of Fame candidacy?
whynot 2
Probably won’t be an issue.
Senga Stan
Fire Brodie Van Wagenen & Carlos Beltran! IT WAS CARLOS BELTRAN”S IDEA TO USE THE CAMERAS! Even if that comment is far fetched he lied about it in the investigation. He is a crook & a liar just like the man who hired him. The New York Mets franchise is such a joke. Throw Brodie out of the door Fresh Prince of Bel Air style! Just another crooked attempt to play to the distraught and ultimately inferior fan base. Just keep in mind that I am talking as a die hard New York Mets fan! I have dealt with so much BS & the fact he got hired in the heat of the moment during this investigation is just crazy! You let Joe Girardi & Zack Wheeler walk to Philly! Chaim Bloom was the right choice and will do wonders with the aging Boston Red Sox just like he did with the Tampa Bay Rays. This organization needs a lesson in player scouting & development!
whynot 2
Dude I think you need to see a therapist and stop following the Mets. It is clearly not helping your mental health.
Senga Stan
LMAO! That’s so true!
sufferforsnakes
Wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up gone. Then again, this is an organization that hired a player agent as GM.
number1dodger
Would you really trust a guy to take the reins of your horse knowing that his achievements were by deception.
sherlock_
Can I just say…? this is classic Mets right here.
Far Beyond Driven
“it’s inevitable that the Mets will need to reach a decision on Beltran and address it with the media.”
Why, because the media says so? The Mets don’t need to do anything.
Tom Price
The entire media complex is corrupt to the core. All agenda driven from a personal standpoint,
Tom Price
The entire media complex is corrupt to the core. All agenda driven from a personal standpoint,
wordonthestreet
Sure they do. This is business and at a minimum a PR hit and a distraction. The Mets need to simply address it one way or the other and they will.
Far Beyond Driven
Then explain to me why ARod works for ESPN or how McGwire was able to be bench coach for the Padres. Were those not distractions? People gotta relax and quit hopping on the latest trends being pushed by mainstream propaganda.
Dan Hunter
the Mets do not need to win even.
75 wins this year 2with Beltran managing.
SupremeZeus
I would guess Beltran & the Mets “come to a mutual decision” to part ways. Right or wrong, Carlos Beltran is now forever tainted as one of the architects and ringleaders in arguably the worst and most audacious cheating scandals in the history of the MLB. We have irrefutable evidence that he is a bald-faced liar. This will be his legacy in the MLB, now and forever. There is absolutely no incentive for the Mets or MLB to have this guy employed, involved or associated with the game moving forward.
tiredolddude
Sad state of affairs when MLBPA wields so much power that an employer is intimidated from pursuing recourse against ringleaders and other players. That said, you’re right. How do the Mets keep this guy?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
“Worst and most audacious cheating scandals.” That might be true, but only because MLB and media gave a pass to previous teams who cheated in similar ways. The 1951 New York Giants got, and still get, quite a free pass and did essentially the same thing. Dozens of other teams, some winners and some losers, have done the same. The damn Atlanta Braves had pitching staffs throughout the 90s that were doctoring the ball. The only reason this became as big a scandal as it did is because of social media. In a way, there is a sort of Faustian bargain in play here and it is quite interesting to see how professional sports adapts to technological innovation while also dealing with the temptation in using it to cheat.
slider32
The deflection from the players to management has really put a stink on this whole problem. The players are the ones that cheated with the help of the coaches and front office. The teams and players are not hurt very much if at all by the ruling. All the players on these 2 teams are now going to be considered guilty and their world series win tarnished. But in the record books they are champions with an * They are going to be mocked for the rest of their careers for this. by opposing fans.
Moneyballer
Like if you think the mets should fire him immediately.
Scott Kliesen
Any competent leader of an organization would fire Beltran ASAP. I think Mets Owner will be told to do this by his peers through Manfred.
MLB wants no lingering residue from this scandal to last past Spring Training, and having one of the ring leaders of it be the face of a franchise in the biggest market would do just that.
montana blue
There is a reason Beltran was the only player (not management) mentioned in the report. MLB was sending a message to the Mets; your new guy in charge is dirty.
bigtwinsfan14
Cora wasn’t punished by the league (yet), but the Red Sox took to the ethical high road and fired him – even though he was just one year removed from winning a World Series.
It remains to be seen whether the Mets will also take the ethical high road as well and let Beltran go, seeing that his involvement was as great as Cora’s. Also, unlike Cora, Beltran is completely unproven as a manager and it wouldn’t be a big loss to cut him loose now. Also, keeping Beltran could be a PR nightmare for a team that doesn’t need anymore PR nightmares.
The ONLY reason Beltran was not included in the punishment is because his actions were protected by a very strong players union. Now that he’s management, the union won’t protect him now.
Beltran won’t make it to Spring Training…
Frisco500
Boston didnt really take the ethical high road here. They were already dealing with a cheating scandal of their own. This was the logical thing to do.
Potpot106
Every team should have to come clean at this point for any cheating they may have done and take their consequences. Any team that does not own up and eventually gets caught should all be heavily fined and resulting in the owner being forced to sell the team.
chesteraarthur
Yeah, good luck enforcing that. You can’t just make up rules.
swinging wood
I’d be surprised if Beltran is fired. The Mets don’t strike me as a team that has integrity, morals or cares about taking a PR hit.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Carlos Beltran will be punished throughout the offseason and season. The New York media and tabloids will incessantly ask question after question surrounding this topic. He will be booed at every stadium (except maybe Houston). It will hound Beltran, at least for this season, and may even hurt his chances with the HOF. Beltran is getting informally punished. If he continues with the managerial position for the Mets, he is in for the ride of his life. If I were the Mets, would I want this kind of distraction — the kind of distraction usually saved for the rare anti-heroes of the sport?
canocorn
Donnie (The Donald) to Alex Cora:
“You’re hired!”
canocorn
Donnie (The Donald) to Alex Cora:
“You’re hired!”
Surly
Managing the Mets is allegedly punishment enough for Beltran. This is a rich spin job even for MLB, blaming the GM and coach for the players actions is just SAD. Make Baseball Great Again!
Grade_1_teacher
The Mets will likely succumb to the media pressure and fire Beltran. After the team underperformed last year, they don’t need that kind of distraction. Beltran likely won’t get punished by the league but the Mets will want to distance their team from that scandal.
Garmo87
New hires:
Barry Bonds as hitting instructor
Roger Clemons as Pitching coach
And Pete Rose as bench coach.
chesteraarthur
“Beltran won’t be suspended by the commissioner Rob Manfred since he was a player at the time of the rules violations”
This is the problem with the whole thing.
Surly
I mean, if the commissioner was a judge in a court of law, would he lock up the parents of a murderer and allow the murderer to go on his merry way? Is this a joke to him?
IloveMACfootball
Exactly. Suspend the GM when someone tests positive for PEDs.
IloveMACfootball
Normally it’s management that gets away with murder, wall st, government, etc. But in this case the management got screwed.
scicco19
In the best interest of the team moving forward, Beltran should not be the Manager of the Mets. They can release him, he can step down on his own, whichever works. But before Friday he should be out.
He clearly played a role in the cheating via technology. What role remains to be heard, but it will be heard. He lied to a NY Post columnist saying he knew nothing of a camera. His finger nails are dirty and I believe there is still more to come out of this. He knows it, the Mets know it.
On a side note, this is another bad look for Brodie. He didn’t do his homework here. Story broke shortly after Beltran was hired. Shame on him.
It’s unfortunate. I was a big fan of Beltran the player. It’s just not going to workout here.
Surly
As if juicing the balls wasn’t bad enough. No respect for the game or doing the right thing.
hiflew
I wonder if Beltran is going to be like Wally Backman and get fired before he ever gets a chance to manage a major league game.
DarrenDreifortsContract
No need to punish him. Not even cheating could help the Mets win a world series.
Doug Dueck
Sad state of affairs when MLBPA wields so much power that an employer is intimidated from pursuing recourse against ringleaders and other complicit players.
Bart Harley Jarvis
The Mets are the gift that keeps on giving! Thank you Madoffs!
Sabermetric Acolyte
I’ve spent a lot of time over the last couple of weeks thinking about this whole fiasco from the perspective of a Red Sox fan and I find myself sadly reminded of how I felt about McGwire and Sosa after it was announced they were juicing. I saw both of them play in their home run record year, was even at opening day in St. Louis where McGwire hit home run number 1, a grand slam. In the end I was wildly angry at both of them for ruining great memories. It’s essentially the conclusion I’ve reached on Cora as well and frankly I’m curious how many players on the Sox were directly involved.
Part of my point there is I wonder how many players on the Mets will see Beltran as tainted. He’s going to be a distraction even if he refuses to answer the same question after every game. But also there’s going to be a few vets who will be too miffed with him to follow.
bobg529
This is very sad but I don’t think the Mets can do anything but fire him. While he is not being punished by MLB, he has been specifically named in the investigation as being directly involved. He is not a player anymore, he is now part of the management team and answers to different standards than a union employee. It’s the same in the outside world. Unionized employees are protected by collective bargaining, but management is not union protected. Mangers are fired at the whim of ownership. How trustworthy can he be if he’s willing to cheat to win? What message does that send to.the players? This could hang over the team for the entire season. No, I’m sorry but they need to move on now and not drag their feet. He needs to be fired.
IloveMACfootball
This is not a difficult decision for the Mets. Beltran needs to be fired ASAP.
TigerFanFromIndiana
I would think that there is a code of conduct clause or some kind of clause similar that would enable the Mets to get out of their contract with him if they wanted.
jim stem
Ugh. First they hire a manager with zero experience, then find out he was involved in a scandal and worse, lied about it. Now I REALLY don’t want him as the manager of my favorite team.
citizen
the mets should hire bobby bonilla since they are still paying him
citizen
though beltran only hit 231. fired missing “signs”
22Leo
Git a rope!
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Carlos Beltrash
inside source
Beltran has been fired and a press conference should come soon.
Nuschler
I’m sure this has been said somewhere in this thread but in addition to Beltran being dismissed Van Wegnan should be fired for being an absolutely terrible GM. Trading for Cano and signing Jed Lowrie when the Mets ALREADY HAD Jeff McNeil. Plus the way he treated Callaway last season was reprehensible. And finally for hiring Beltran. Fire the dumb#%@!!
22Leo
Other than that, the Mets organization is gold, Jerry, gold!
Canosucks
Right on Nuschler! Another dumb move by Van Lunchwagon!
slider32
After watching the Red Sox on TV today I see one of the best cover ups of all time. First, you have the Astro’s get rid of Hinch and the GM and blame Cora. Second now you have the Sox who get rid of Cora for what he did with the Astro’s which frees him of guilt with the Sox. Third the Sox do nothing but praise Cora, so he can be rehired. in the future.. Nobody ratted out the Sox so they will be found to have done nothing wrong. in 18. No players will be affected so that will be the end of it. Masterful by the commish!
wildboys
Hire Backman.
All Will Be Forgiven.
MarlinsFanBase
LOL! I can’t believe there are people still asking for Backman. Clearly you guys aren’t paying attention.
Greg M
Getting fired with an 0-0 record would be something else.
MarlinsFanBase
Wally Backman did it. It’s seems to be a thing for former Mets players.
stevecohenMVP
backman wasn’t the mets manager though
bigbadjohnny
Stop fooling around…….Dump Beltran……….if is a Cancer, cut it out !
bigbadjohnny
Someone in the Mets FO did not do their job of checking someone’s background !
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Don’t see how he survives the NY media.
texasfury93
Investigate the Yankees! Get your head out of the sand! Or… other places.
circaflex
Mets need to fire him.
ericm25
Beltran is stepping down as manager of the mets is a wise decision. confirmed 415pm 1.15.2020
Oriolenick
He needs to get fired
Joeypower
Sucks getting fired before making his MLB day view as a Manager..
Is he getting paid for all the time between press conference and all the bs? Lol
TradeRumorUser
this is beyond ridiculous how many people are calling for beltrans head! biggest cheating scandal, tainted blah blah blah. as a mets fan far as I’m concerned small blip on the radar. we move on and start the season and if we start winning I’m sure with other met fans especially those constantly cry about not hiring an experienced crustacean to manage this ball club over an experienced player with in game action and new ideas and fresh take to run a ball club will forgive him. yes we have a Puerto Rican manager yes try and wrap your head around it and just live with that fact. I’m assuming cora gets hate for the same reason especially we know how those in Boston can feel a little funny about those different. bring a city a title and that seems to mean nothing. right or wrong ever happened to making a decision and sticking with it. sticking with your choice and black out all that white noise and let the chips fall where they lye.
Android Dawesome
This comment reminds me of the episode of the SImpsons where they did a parody of Lost in Space “Warning, Warning… Arms flailing wildly”
I am oddly indifferent about the whole thing. Whats done is done. You injecting race into just doesn’t make any sense.
Sabermetric Acolyte
…How does being Puerto Rican have ANYTHING to do with any of this?
TradeRumorUser
sounds farfetched I know not the board for it but I would be lying if I said I felt like it didnt play a part but hey that’s what opinions are for, however I just find it funny cora left “mutually” people want beltran shown the door yet Yankees were accused of the same and if I’m wrong correct me I haven’t seen or read anything about their investigation. where is the fire the “cheat” or “liar” boone.
chesteraarthur
Yeah, cuz AJ Hinch is PR too…oh wait. Fail.
jleve618
If you think Cora would have been allowed to stay had he not agreed to the dog and pony show that was agreeing to leave, you may be the dumbest person on this website.
Sabermetric Acolyte
As far as I can tell no one ever named Boone as responsible for anything and if you look it up the highest person named in any yankee sign stealing scandal was Larry Rothschild. So race has nothing to do with this just like coming down on Barry Bonds had nothing to do with him being black. Cora was the highest profile name/position/etc and more prominently involved than Hinch.
jim stem
Maybe because that’s part of the reason he got the job (with zero experience) over individuals who actually have had success?
melj
Fire Beltran and move on.
whyhayzee
Um, if the Mets didn’t hire Beltran, he’d still be working for the yankees. But nothing is suspicious there folks. The reactions of people: “Off with their heads!”
Oh bother.
MarlinsFanBase
I don’t think that sign stealing helped the Yankees. If they did, they wouldn’t have been suckered by the Marlins to take on Stanton’s contract. There were many signs that he was a good candidate to spend a lot of time on the IL during the duration of the remaining contract. Yankees and Beltran clearly missed that sign when they traded for him. Maybe they were enamored with Jeter and believed what E!SPN and FOX Sports following dimwits said about Jeter “gifting” Stanton to the Yankees. If Beltran was stealing signs with the Yankees, how could they miss the signs there?
whyhayzee
But if the Mets didn’t hire him would there be a clamor for the yankees to fire him? Dunno.
sufferforsnakes
Eh, fire the cheater.
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If the respect of players for their manager means much, I think the Mets need to try and have Beltran’s contract voided.
Surly
It’s obvious MLB whiffed with the preventive measures, the judgement and the punishments. MLB also whiffed with the decision to buy Rawlings and change the ball construction, which has effectively ‘juiced’ it, leading to record home run production and slugging percentages.
The solution – Make Pete Rose the commissioner, he actually loves the game and while he may still have a gambling addiction, he isn’t solely driven by the dollars.
MarlinsFanBase
Uh, unless you like what Don King did to boxing and what David Stern’s version of NBA officiating was, you don’t want Rose as commissioner.
stevecohenMVP
he’s also a pedophile and when he got caught cheating on his wife with a 14 year old his response was “I thought she was 16” … He can play in traffic
saintguitar
Not just because of Beltran’s participation to the scandal but now that his name was specifically mentioned several times he will have really hard time leading the players and the coaches.
At this time as an organization, the Metz will be better off by cutting Beltran loose.
Aoe3
Mets will have to let Beltran go hes one of the main figures in this scheme. Hell be gone by the end of the week. Mets may have made a mistake hiring him and lost out to Joe Girardi ect.
He flat out lied multiple times to the media.
The Human Toilet
It is a total Mets move to stick behind this piece of garbage, they rather have the publicity even if it makes them really bad but as long they get more headlines than the Yankees that is all that matters to the Mets.
TradeRumorUser
was this fiasco what made him a piece of garbage or was it before ?
jleve618
Is it the fact that you try to assume the worst in people that makes you a piece of garbage or is it something else?
TradeRumorUser
that was a legit question I wanted to know what makes him think that? I’m fine with beltran as the manager of the team. it’s what he does in the next coming months not what allegedly happened in the past.
jdan74
The correct thing to do is to get rid of Beltran. This would also ease the pressure for the organization. Otherwise this is going to be a distraction, and put a cloud over his entire tenure. The guys is a cheater. Plain and simple.
Boogaloo
Beltran has got to go, he wasn’t just getting signs, he helped set the whole thing up.
Just think about what a nightmare it will be having him as manager. The team starts hitting and people will be saying they are cheating. The NY press will egg it on, plus Beltran already lied about it.
The Mets had nothing to do with, but I don’t see why they would deal with all the heat for a rookie manager.
Buck Showalter still works in NY, bring him in for a year they don’t need this BS for something they had nothing to do with.
shortytallz
I’d fire him. Get Showalter in there. He’ll make the team respectable, at least.
Dexxter
So Beltran first denied any knowledge or involvement of the cheating…. Then changed his story and fully co-operated with the investigation and disclosed all that he knew.
I wonder if the story changed after he was told players weren’t receiving punishment for the cheating incident…. but lying to MLB investigators could create a separate issue that he could potentially be punished for.
This smells like Beltran was a big part of it… and like he did his best to save his own bacon throughout the whole process.
If I’m the Mets… he’s gone.
reality
Oscar the Grouch is named new Manager of the New York Mets.
Oscar’s experience with banging on garbage cans was a major factor on the decision.
chesteraarthur
No comment about hanging out with trash? Missed opportunity.
jim stem
Carlos Belicheck…er, Beltran is NOT starting off his professional management career well at all. Yankee cheating, Astros cheating, how long before he’s accused or caught cheating with the Mets?
Cano with a suspension, Manager fired mid contract, high profile trade blows up, his new manager, who had zero coaching experience is implemented in and a primary piece in cheating before his first day on the field…come on, Brodie better get it together quick or he’ll be the one filling out job applications. I just don’t know why ownerships keep thinking that hiring people with zero experience should start at the top.
pageian
I think you’ve got to cut him loose at this point. Cora and Hinch are gone and Hinch supposedly had less to do with it than Beltran did. Bad optics for the Met’s to keep him or let him go but letting him go ends it for them.
TradeRumorUser
who cares what it looks like. based on the long process it was to find a manager this probably came up. highly doubt this came as a surprise to bvw.
8
Should of just kept Callaway
metsie1
All fans are born hypocrites. Pontificating about integrity, fairness, honesty. Then when the Astros or Red Sox call and offer your team one of the known cheaters like Correa or Betts you will be screaming at your GM to go get ‘em.
Don’t say all the players on those teams weren’t involved because they not only had to know, they were clearly using the fruits of stealing.
JackStrawb
Beltran has already lied to at least two NY media outlets about his involvement, outlets he’ll have to deal with daily for the next three years. Various reporters are already calling for his firing. Even Mark Teixiera is calling for Beltran’s firing.
There’s no chance this is going to get better, and has plenty of chances to get worse. As for Van Wagenen, he looks like both a liar and a fool for his “What Me Worry?” approach to the scandal and either his ineptitude during the hiring process, or his complicity in pretending Beltran’s innocence.
Even the Wilpons will realize this is going to be a continuing embarrassment with no possibility of ending well, or even of ending at all. The only upside for Mets fans is if Beltran’s firing also leads to Van Wagenen’s firing, given he has no competition for Worst General Manager in MLB.
bjhaas1977
Don’t fire him!