The White Sox have claimed righty Tayron Guerrero off waivers from the Marlins, per a club announcement. He had been designated for assignment on non-tender day to clear roster space.
Guerrero pumps 99 and increasingly proved capable last year of drawing swings and misses (13.3%) while also getting his first pitches over for strikes (63.4%). But he hasn’t yet figured out how to consistently convert his physical tools into big-league outs.
Last year, Guerrero averaged over seven walks per nine innings to go with 8.4 K/9 and an ugly 6.26 ERA. Perhaps the Chicago organization has mechanical or pitch usage ideas to help the towering hurler as he moves from South Beach to the South Side.
Let’s go!!! Good depth piece. Good low risk/high ceiling signing. I absolutely love this signing.
I think you meant let’s go dumpster diving… sort of seems like your thing…
Oh the irony of that clown…
And I like this claim. Live arm and young. But some people just love being hypocrites I guess.
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Entering his age-29 season is young? There’s a reason why the Marlins, who are rebuilding, let him go. It isn’t because of his salary. When you’re in your prime, and still can’t find the strike-zone, something is wrong…no matter how hard you throw.
He may have a career renaissance, but at this point in his career, that isn’t where the smart money is. Again, the Marlins are rebuilding, and chose to not keep him…despite the cheap contract and a few more years of control. That says a lot.
Coop probably saw something. Maybe catching lightning in a bottle. If nothing else he is a great guy to bring into a beanball war.
Cooper hasn’t been able to fix a wet paper bag the last several seasons. Giolito the team ace, credits his turn around on outside influences.. Not the team pitching coach.
The time has past, Sox need new blood, replace Cooper
Yeah, because the Marlins have made so man great personnel moves recently.
Reminds me a bit of when Coop got his hands on Thorton
@chopchop
Yeah, keep believing what E!SPN and FOX Sports keeps telling you about the Marlins’ moves. Wait for it. You’ll see.
Has Coop ever fixed anyone? He just keeps getting fatter.
I agree. Your analysis leads me to think this signing will prove to be a bust.
Agree. Marlins unloaded another 100mph thrower just like this guy named brian Ellington a cpl years back. Ellington sat at 98 and could go past 100mph, but like Guerrero, no clue where the ball was going and walked nearly as many as he struck out. Just checked and Ellington, at 29yo is in Indy Ball, where Guerrero probably should be.
To Coop’s credit, Giolito went from the highest ERA in the sport to a Cy Young candidate a year later. Stop with this “Coop’s overrated” stuff because none of you know what you’re talking about.
Coop – relic needs to go
@MarlinsFanBase … Didn’t your team just acquire Jesus Aguilar (turns 30 in June) and Jonathan Villar (turns 29 in May)? Aguilar posted a .714 OPS last year, so he definitely qualifies as a reclamation project. And Villar had a decent comeback last year (.792 OPS) but that followed two very disappointing seasons (.665 and .709 OPS, respectively). Soooo… pot, meet kettle?
both offensive upgrades without having to give up prospects. which in return can be flipped for prospects at the deadline.yeah not reclamation projects 2 major leaguers. stop gaps at no cost. They dumped guerrero because he couldn’t throw strikes.
@JuanV, I’ll see you here on 7/31/20 to discuss the amazing prospects the Marlins landed for Villar and Aguilar. Keep in mind, the Sox traded Tommy Kahnle and Anthony Swarzak in the same year for prospects (including Blake Rutherford). Bullpen arms have recently been more valuable than low OBP power bats.
Villar and Aguilar are not the same as Guerrero.
First, Villar had a good year and is the type of player that isn’t just measured by OPS. He will be a table setter for us.
As for Aguilar, the guy was an All Star in 2018. The Marlins are jumping in to see if he’s that guy or the guy everyone saw this year.
As for Guerrero, he’s not done anything in MLB like Villar and Aguilar have. Apples versus an orange that’s more like a lemon that’s got fungus growing on it at this point to where the odds of making lemonade are very minimal.
Waaaaaaaaay too excited.311……..but not hurting anything either.
This guy is my best reliever in my MLB The Show franchise
Tayron spelled backwards is noryat. Let that sink in…
Noryat—Isn’t that the leader of one of the former Soviet republics? 🙂
I hope they didn’t sign him for his control.
A Mets fan mocking a dumpster dive reliever signing? Are you lost?
Hey, we can’t knock the Mets. They got Brad Brach.
Well, at least he’s tall?
Am I reading this right? He finished 22 games and has ZERO saves?
Lots of flame throwers come in and work the 9th with a big lead or a big deficit.
So do a lot of very bad pitchers.
He’ll be the next Chapman
Chapman came into the minor leagues damn near a finished product. This is a really dumb statement.
From someone calling themselves jdawg?? Surely you jest
so he’ll give up big homers, and get in trouble for domestic violence?
High ceiling.
Kevin Chapman?
Tracy.
Give me one reason to stay on this thread, and I’ll turn my phone back on.
Rex Chapman
He’s identical to Thyago Vieira, who was released and is in Japan now, what’s the point of claiming Guerrero?
There’s no such thing as identical players.
Yes there is. Look at all the 1B who struggle to find jobs…
Yeah who needs Zach Wheeler when you can have The Tayron Guerrero?
You act like he’s their big deal and they’re done now. They’re in on MadBum and Keuchel and have checked in on other pitchers as well. What’s wrong with trying to find a value piece for your bullpen, especially if you can get it for free?
I was joking. I don’t see a problem with this move
Are they also still in, on Wheeler, Machado and B Bonds.
Are the scrubs still in on… Um.. Oh yeah, they’re broke. They emptied the last of their change purse on Dan Winkler today. The bullpen is saved.
The Sox are in on players all the time. They never actually get anyone in high demand. They might get Keuchel this year, which won’t help them one bit.
Tayron is Colombian. So is Jose Quintana. I wonder if Hahn and Theo are having a chat?
Or a cup of coffee.
Maybe he’s like Mixleplic from the Superfriends. Say his name backwards and he’ll turn into a legit reliever.
“Noryat Orerreug”
Dumpster divin Ricko
More like Depth-o. Go Sox!
I know I’m mocking chitown311
K.
You are doing your shtick on the wrong account. Log out log back in on your chitown311 account and try again. K?
K.
There ya go lol
Seems like a low-risk deal. The Sox have several open spots on their 40-man and, even if FA’s were lining up to take their money, their spending would still be limited, so I don’t see why people are hating this move. If he sucks, they give him mop up work and then cut him at the end of the year and move on. So what? If he figures out how to throw strikes consistently, it’s a steal. I don’t see much downside here.
You call $80MM additional a limit? That would only bring them to a league average $130MM. Technically, they should be able to go as high as $160MM total in a few years. They have money to spend. They’ve ALWAYS had money to spend. But if they can’t spend it on top talent? What’s the point? Players get cold feet about coming to Chicago (both teams) due yo meddling by various factions, so it’s a moot point. The city of Chicago has a lot of enemies.
They were at $80M, for one thing. Second, chill the hell out. There are no big bad enemies of Chicago. There’s bad weather, low attendance on the South Side, and a long history from both clubs of losing that they’re only recently getting serious about erasing. For the Sox, Reinsdorf has always been both cheap and stuck in the past (how else can one explain the signing of guys like Manny and Griffey, Jr.?). Third, I’d love to see them get MadBum and Castellanos and trade for JDM then extend him. That would be amazing. But do you honestly see ol’ Jerry opening up his wallet that far? His biggest deal ever is still less than Trout makes in just two years. He’s not a big spender and the idea of going to $160M might be enough to drive him into the dirt.
hyrax, have you ever been to the northeast? The weather’s pretty lousy here (I live there). Doesn’t matter, does it? And all this nonsense about the Sox never spend money needs to stop too. They can’t spend the damn money if they wanted to on players they want/need. They’re forced to sign the dogs that have little or no market demand. Then they get stuck with a mediocre roster, a .500 record, and no way out of that predicament for years. Sound familiar? It’s just a s### system that favors certain coastal teams. Even the Cardinals, with their rich history of winning, can’t get the players they want to sign most of the time. Anyway, Reinsdorf sucks as an owner, it’s not always his fault the Sox never get anyone they need/want. It’s more reason why they need better scouting and development. The MLB will never be a level playing field. Teams like the Yanks and Dodgers will always get talent funneled their way, one way or another. The Sox need to become more self-reliant and make smarter personnel decisions if they ever want to remain relevant. Fans (like myself) have already lost interest in baseball, because we see it for what it is: entertainment.
This thread between the two of you is now the dumbest single thread I’ve seen on this site. And that’s saying something. MLBs teams have lots of money to spend. Tons in fact. Any team could sign any player they wanted any offseason with money to spare. The Sox, the Cubs, and the city of Chicago have no enemies. There is no boogie man here. Reinsdorf is not cheap. He spends when the window is open. In the mid to late 90s he was spending big on the Sox ( the largest MLB contract at the time in Albert belle) and he was sourcing well over the luxury tax with the Bulls when they were winning titles. Also, from 2006-2010 the Sox had a top 10 payroll in baseball every year. Scouting had been an issue for both the Sox and Cubs for years but I don’t blame manny and ken Griffey jr. on Jerry. First off Kenny Williams is the idiot who wanted manny and jr. so bad. Secondly, Ken Griffey jr. was a deadline trade from the reds for a no talent 2B. So that trade turned out pretty well. Castellanos and JDM would not be good for the Sox. they’d be playing RF. They both can barely play left. Terrible ideas. The Sox can sign whomever they want. It’s not some secret bias against everyone not on one of the coasts. If that was the case, the Dodgers would not be waiting 31 years and counting for another world series championship. the Yankees wouldn’t go a decade without being in the fall classic. MLBs best player would be in the playoffs more than once ever. Coastal teams? Miami, Baltimore, Oakland, San Diego, SEATTLE! Yep MLB is really helping out those coastal teams. Reinsdorf is a good owner who trusts his guys too much. But even so, he’s brought 7 championships to the city of Chicago. I’ll take that any day. More than Steinbrenner brought to NYC, or Ted Turner brought to Atlanta.
I’ll end on this, ChiSoxCity, you’ve lost interest in baseball because you see it for what it is, entertainment. What the hell did you see it as before?
Sporttac has them projected at 116,000,000 right now.
Perhaps “Sporttac” has the White Sox at that number “right now” but spotrac has it considerably less, at $71,249,999 as we post: spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
Yep click on the white Sox and scroll down to competitive balance payroll 2020. 116 million. They take an aav not what the players are making just this year. The white Sox aren’t coming close to adding 80 million dollars this year. They would be over the luxury tax in two seasons.
spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/
Yet the White Sox submitted the highest bid on Zack Wheeler at 5yrs./$125MM which comes out to an AAV of $25MM. In addition to a ‘TOR’, GM Rick Hahn has already gone on record stating that the White Sox still want to add a second starter, a bullpen arm and a RF this offseason. According to this same spotrac ‘projection’ the White Sox still have $91,245,999 of competitive balance tax space available. Nobody expects them to utilize all of that this offseason but the Wheeler offer alone might have cut into that amount by $25MM if the contract was split into an equal AAV over its 5 years. Obviously those dollars weren’t spent and are still available along with any other amount the front office and owner Jerry Reinsdorf will allocate this offseason to those other areas of need.
No realistic White Sox fan expects the team will engage or at least come away with a more expensive TOR option in Gerrit Cole or Stephen Strasburg. They may potentially wind up with Madison Bumgarner who reportedly could wind up with a contract similar to that of Wheeler. Odds are that Madbum will sign elsewhere leaving the White Sox with much cheaper ‘TOR’ options in Hyun-Jin Ryu or Dallas Keuchel. I remain fairly confident that they will wind up with one from among this trio of free agent SP’s, still add a backend veteran starter on a short term deal while also picking up a veteran bullpen arm and a new RF. Not all these will necessarily come via free agency, especially a long term core RF who would need to be added via a trade. All of this would still contribute to a big chunk of their remaining competitive balance ‘wiggle room’ with the possibility that a substantial existing salary or two (Alex Colome, James McCann?) could also be utilized as part of a trade.
Just responding to the 80 million dollar comment. Adding 25-35 millions makes a lot of sense. Pretending like adding 80 million only gets them to a 140-150 payroll is complete nonsense. Even with some money coming off in the next season or two those players have to be replaced and the young guys eventually get paid. Ask the cubs how much arbitration can cost in year 4-6.
True enough. It should also be noted that GM Rick Hahn has done a better job than Theo & Co. in tying up his best young talent to contract extensions that diminishes much of that arbitration anxiety. As assistant GM under Kenny Williams, Hahn negotiated those team friendly deals given to Chris Sale and Jose Quintana which bypassed arbitration and even some free agency. As GM he did the same with Adam Eaton and followed that up with an early extension to Tim Anderson. Not to be outdone by himself (lol) Hahn signed Eloy Jimenez to a MLB extension before he even played in his first game as a White Sox.
I suspect Hahn will do his best to repeat extensions for the likes of Yoan Moncada, Lucas Giolito and Dylan Cease while potentially also offering a ‘Jimenez’ like extension to Nick Madrigal and/or Luis Robert prior to March 26th enabling them to be in the White Sox opening day lineup versus the Royals at GRF.
I believe Moncada starts arbitration next year. So he won’t be a cheap extension. Not to mention there is a lot more risk. All these prospects aren’t going to be homeruns. No way I extend cease at this point
Zero opportunity cost, high upside on the off chance they can fix his control. No reason not to like this.
This is just another non-move. Guys like this usually end up getting dfa’d, waived or traded.
If that happens, then they’ve lost nothing save his salary in the interim, which is low. Yeah, odds are he won’t help, but he’s practically free and has a fairly high ceiling, so I’d take that chance.
Sure, but why do people get do excited about moves like this? It’s nothing, quit acting like what the Sox did was so amazing.
no one is acting like it’s amazing. go back to sleep.
He throws 99, but he doesn’t really spin it.
Pure definition of a thrower not a pitcher.
Miami wasn’t too worried about losing him.
We’ll know soon enough if there’s anything there.
Someone gets it. We let him go…and he was cheap and under control for a few more years.
Does this dude ever shuts up? Jeez hes everywhere.
Thank you for being a fan.
Juan g- Ever shuts up? Should be ever shut up. And hes should be he’s or he is.
Dude has major control issues. If he can somehow harness it, definite closer stuff.
I’m thinking more setup guy. Stuff may be good enough for closer, but if he hasn’t figured it out at his age, I have to question the mental makeup, too. Still, if he’s a useful bullpen piece at all, he’d be a steal.
Ahhh, I remember when the Marlins got him, us Marlins fans thought the same thing…but of course, he was younger when we got him.
I understand everyone doesn’t get excited about these but young and throws hard never know what could happen. And everyone forgot this is exactly how they got Quintana and that turned out pretty good not saying its going to turn out that way but these kind of pickups are just taking flyers and might hit one. No risk at all by the Sox
How is entering his age-29 season being young?
Jose Quintana was 22 when the White Sox acquired him and coming off a strong season in A+. He was released for reasons off the diamond. There is no comparison with this player, who is only a year younger than Quintana.
He may develop into something, but I’m not holding my breath. The magic the team once had in turning around failed pitchers seems to have lapsed during the Hahn era.
This guy looks like the pitching equivalent to Shaq shooting foul shots.
Just wait for the next WSox article being about JR wining and dining his best friend Boras for Keuchel….. But seriously WSox should be heroes to the agents thus far driving up the second tier Pitching market and their aggressive offer for Grandal.
i think i throw more strikes then this guy
That is very likely true.
Although, his arm is a lethal weapon because he can probably kill someone with his velocity and lack of control. If he could hit a target, he’d be a great government assassin.
Mechanics are always going to be an issue for tall pitchers. Being that size makes it tricky to consistently repeat your delivery with all the moving parts involved.
They release thyago vieira sand replace him with Thiago vieira
We would’ve been willing to trade you because the guy you gave up on is younger than the guy we gave up on.
No team signs a player off the waiver list for no other reason than a little depth. Insignificant move.
Gosh this guy can bring it. But as a Braves fan, I was always pumped to see him come in the game cause he would almost always blow it
The Chicago White Sox offer a premier opportunity for talented young pitchers and big name veterans. After all, it’s not every day you get to throw to all-out professionals like James McCann and Yasmani Grandal.
No one cares outside Chicago. They really don’t.
Wow you’re in a bad mood today
Having two All-Star catchers offers the kind of security professional pitchers should appreciate. Unless they’re just slow, like in the mind.
I don’t see anyone lining up to sign with the Sox because of their catchers this offseason. If believing that bs helps you sleep at night, so be it. I have zero confidence in the Sox getting anyone except Keuchel (dog) and Castellanos (another dog). The Sox might as well not even bother with those two. Keep tanking until all holes are filled. Who the hell cares anyway?
Untwist your panties.
People much smarter than you about baseball, stated exactly that pitchers are probably more likely to sign with the sox now that they have Grandal…… but please, continue with your infinite baseball knowledge Bill James.
He probably won’t fare any better than Thyago. Then again, he could be the next Bobby Jenks.
I’ll take him for the bullpen but this guy better not make a single start on the south side this year.
He has 0 starts in 113 career games…
This is a small risk move by the White Sox! It’s not like the White Sox are signing this guy to a multimillion deal!
People seem to forget that the new rule comes into effect with having a bullpen pitcher coming in to face at least three batters before pulling him. Bullpen depth is what most teams need to focus on right now! As of right now, the White Sox have a pretty decent bullpen with Bummer, Fry, Herrera and Colome.