The Twins have pulled off a fascinating New Year’s Eve double-strike. The club announced that hurlers Rich Hill and Homer Bailey have each agreed to contracts, as Dan Hayes of The Athletic first reported (Twitter link).
Both players secured one-year deals, per Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter). Hill is guaranteed $3MM, Rob Bradford of WEEI.com tweets. His contract includes a hefty $9.5MM in total available incentives which can be met by recording only 15 starts and/or 75 innings thrown. Bailey’s contract comes with a $7MM guarantee, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (via Twitter). He also has some incentive pay available, but only if he gets up to 180 innings, Hayes tweets.
There’s a lot to process here. More than anything, it’s a highly notable development for a Twins club that entered the offseason promising to pursue impact arms. Perhaps now the club will turn over its still-stuffed war chest in pursuit of third baseman Josh Donaldson.
We’ve already seen the Twins move to retain Jake Odorizzi and Michael Pineda, though the latter will open the year on the restricted list while he finishes a suspension for a banned masking agent. Having bid adieu to Kyle Gibson and Martin Perez, the Minnesota org was left with a mix of rather inexperienced rotation candidates such as Devin Smeltzer and Randy Dobnak.
Now, Bailey slots into an immediate rotation spot while Hill joins Pineda as an anticipated mid-season boost. Hill is working back from elbow surgery and likely won’t be available on the MLB mound until the summer. In effect, the organization has pre-purchased a pair of trade deadline rotation pieces. That’ll make it tough to add any other clear-cut starters now or in the summer trade market, unless it becomes clear that the expected timelines can’t be met.
All things considered, it’s quite the value-driven gambit for the Twins, who raced out to an AL Central title last year but face competition for the crown in 2020. The organization made no secret of its desire to land higher-quality starters, but came away without any of the major hurlers that populated the free agent market.
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There’s much to commend about both Hill and Bailey, but it’d be tough to say that the new duo is a clear upgrade over the outgoing two-some of Gibson and Perez. The Twins obviously prefer the price tag on the two they’ve landed, but there is a reason that other organizations were willing to promise bigger money to Gibson (three years, $30MM) and Perez (one year, $6MM).
The Twins do have some real potential impact in Hill, despite the fact that he’ll celebrate his 40th birthday before throwing a pitch for the organization. The resurgent veteran has thrown limited innings since his reemergence — both by design and due to injuries — but has been awesome when available. Dating back to his late-2015 run with the Red Sox, he carries a 2.91 ERA with 10.7 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 in 466 1/3 innings.
Given the unusual incentive structure of Hill’s deal, it’s obvious both that the Twins anticipate a mid-season debut and that they won’t expect him to turn in overly lengthy outings. The master curveballer only flung 58 2/3 frames in his 13 starts last year with the Dodgers, and he can now max out his incentives package if he can extend that just a bit. The organization evidently wasn’t worried by Hill’s recent arrest in an incident he called “overblown.”
If Hill gets back to health and back to his now-typical form, he’ll provide a weapon down the stretch and into a hopeful postseason berth. The addition of Bailey seems intended to address rather a different need — solid innings over the course of the season — though he also comes with a sort of upside of his own.
The 33-year-old Bailey had a nice bounceback showing in 2019, particularly after a mid-season move from the Royals to the Athletics. He finished the campaign with 163 1/3 innings of 4.57 ERA ball, with 8.2 K/9 and 2.9 BB/9. In a season full of explosive offensive performances, those were rather useful frames. Bailey logged 2.9 fWAR and 1.8 rWAR in 2019, the sort of output that would justify his current contract if repeated.
Notably, Bailey showed an uptick in his swinging-strike rate, posting a 10.8% level that he hadn’t touched since his heyday. That’s increasingly easy to accomplish in today’s game but still notable for a pitcher that generally fills up the zone. Bailey’s 93+ mph average fastball was shy of his peak but in line with his post-Tommy John levels. His mid-season strides don’t seem to correspond to any major changes to his approach or pitch quality, so there’s no particular reason to expect a late-career breakout, but his peripherals and Statcast numbers generally support Bailey’s low-4 ERA output.
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Good signings Twins. Happy New Year.
rich hill was on the DL all last season. good luck. Billy Eppler needs to be fired ! ASAP
Billy Eppler… of the Angels?
Why? They should get third.
You thought the Angels should sign these guys?
Give him time. Would you want to be fired half-way through a project?
With the jab at Rich Hill, I’m assuming you’re suggesting Eppler should be fired for not signing…..Homer Bailey….? Am I understanding you correctly?
Great signing and if $3m base was all it took, I can’t believe others passed. Getting on the mound has been his problem. Once he’s on it, he’s as good as there is.
@Dewey I agree, Hill is awesome, he’s nearly 40 and people are expecting him to make 33 starts 220+ IP, the Dodgers got what they expected out of him and it was totally worth it.
stewartnbuck
Ragging on Eppler is pretty much the only note you play, amiright? What can we do to help you move on and put us out of your misery?
A suspect upvote??
Rich Hill pitched 58.2 innings in 2019, so according to stewartandbuck, 58.2 is the new zero. Based off that, 59.2 is now 1, 60.2 is now 2….
Somehow he started 13 games while being in the DL all season. Wow.
@stewartnbuck, you are incorrect, Rich Hill made 13 starts in 2019 and was not on the DL all last season. Sorry, we are going to have to suspend your posting privileges indefinitely.
baseball-reference.com/players/h/hillri01.shtml
Why can’t you do anything but bash Eppler?
If they can get 100+ starts out of Berrios, Hill, Pineda, Odorizzi and the 2019 A’s-version of Homer Bailey, they are a shoo in for the Central – your move though, Indians and White Sox, change my mind.
A shoo in? Nice depth moves. I like them. But this is a team incapable of winning a game in October so let’s not go overboard.
You don’t need to win any games in October to be a shoo in to win the Central.
Point conceded. That is what he wrote. My bad.
Not on this planet… other teams have real pitching .. Its the Minnesota Mediocres
They didn’t have real pitching last year
Staff was 3rd in the Majors in fWAR
9th in ERA (5th in the AL)
4th in FIP (3rd in the AL)
6th in Ks (AL)
2nd in BB%
4th in BB/9
5th in K/BB
2nd in HR/9 (AL)
Tied for 2nd in HR/FB% in The Year of the Juiced Ball
50 Saves good for 2nd in the majors
101 wins (Pythag had them at 97)
As an Angels fan, you Twins fans, though I have a great deal of affection for your team due to Little Big League, can kindly cram it.
Nice depth moves. Rich Hill is an enigma but worth the risk
Which would be great if these were depth moves. These are “impact pitching” moves to fill the rotation, these guys are literally their 3 and 4 starters now.
You’re not going to see Rich hill for a couple months into the season. So he’s not your #3.
You don’t put potentially $12.5MM and $10MM+ into “depth signings.”
If Hill gets paid that much, it means he was worth it.
No it doesn’t. It might. But if he gets paid that much all it insures is he pitched 75 innings and made 15 starts. It says nothing to the quality or effectiveness of his pitching.
Wrong, Hill pitches like a #1 when he’s on his game, so at worst the Twins got a month or two of a #1. It’s fine.
Funny definition of a #1. Even funnier definition of “at worst.”
You have zero guarantee he pitches like a #1. Zero.
Age 40+ #1’s in the American League. Good luck with that!
They are both #2 signings..
If he’s not pitching well enough, then he’ll be cut.
@jbigz12…another failed post, so sad. No definitions were provided in Strike Four’s post. Hills stats from 2015-2019 are those of a top tier or #1 starter. I know you don’t do stats, they get in the way of your smug assumptions…
baseball-reference.com/players/h/hillri01.shtml
I’ve checked with the judge and, yup, your hot air, smug posting privileges have been suspended for the month…sorry, but happy new year!
But as a parting gift, here is a real definition of “at worst” just for you
idioms.thefreedictionary.com/at+worst
I agree. Would like to see numbers on the Bailey signing. Probably locks up the AL Central, at least.
Why? I think he will be hard pressed to outpitch kyle gibson. At best its a lateral move.
If anything, these modest starter additions would make the Tribe more confident and hold on to Lindor until at least the trade deadline.
Bailey signing wraps up a division lol.
That said it is a nice pickup.
As Oakland just sits here and watch when they can trade for Kela, Adam Frazier and Tim Hill
why? the A’s have a decent amount of depth in the rotation…the only TJ recovery is Varland and he’s in single A…everyone’s finally healthy at the same time.
A’s have to keep all of Barreto, Mateo and R5 Machin all season or they lose them. So, youre saying trade one or all to Pirates for certified clubhouse cancer Kela?
I’m more waiting for the Piscotty to SF and then the Mookie Betts blockbuster deal. The A’s top offense prospects are all SS, I wouldn’t trip on who plays 2B in 2020. Just let Barreto get regular ABs, he’s 24 all 2020, its his time, let him sink or swim – remember when they did that with Semien? Look at him now.
One of Barreto or Mateo is going to be traded before the 26 man roster has to be set
The Rich Hill signing comes with oversized baggage.
“What do you mean?” – Matt Bush
ForestCobraAL – wow–WOW!!!!!!!
Rich Hills wife is normal sized baggage.
I see what you did there.
For the win!
I see what you did there.
HA! Good one!
public enemy #1
Very good
I like hill but will there be discipline from his arrest?
Tase him on the pitchers mound.
He was just fined, the case has been resolved.
By MLB? Probably not. Not really a situation that calls for the league to step in and do something. It was a pretty minor incident. By the law? The charge was dropped and he was fined 500$. So basically no in both cases.
Although, truth be told, the penalty likely would have been worse for a normal person. A criminal charge (eventually expungeable), the fine, probation, probationary terms and requirements, including community service, etc…
Explain why you want to discipline a man that is freaking out that his wife is being arrested? Do you not understand what human emotions are?
How about acting like an adult, controlling your emotions, and not interfering with the police doing their job? I know……too much to ask for and a ridiculous ask. My bad.
They should probably alert the Vikings in case the Patriots play in Minnesota next year………
And the Angels have Dylan Bundeh.
The Bundy trade was a very underrated move. He keeps getting better. Had to learn how to pitch without the fastball that got him to the majors and he’s doing it. He’s the perfect change of scenery guy and I really would not be surprised if he ends the season with some CY young votes. Seriously.
I agree. Bundy was a solid addition and I believe if Heaney, another 1st round pick, can stay healthy- that rotation will be decent. Heaney has had some dominant performances. Seems like everytime he starts to get going an injury strikes. They’re going to have to hit their way into the playoffs though. Probably would have to average 5-6 runs per inning.
Per game*
45 runs per game seems unlikely, even for the Fightin Trouties.
I’d be fine with 5-6 runs per inning, but I wouldn’t get to bed until midnight ha ha.
Regardless, it means another year of Trout wasted
Angels a lock for 82 wins this year!
Imagine being the Angels and not spending for Cole AND Strasburg….worst moves ever. They have a decent farm but that means young cheap star-level players and more money to spend, so why not on elite SP FAs? Angels are easily the biggest losers of this offseason, and they even signed the best position player one on the table! LOL! Only the Angels, only the Angels…
Angels can throw a scrub team out there and draw close to 3 mil. Cubs can win once every 110 years and go back to cutting payroll and draw 3 mil. Dumb fans reap what they sow so quit complaining Angels fans. If a restaurant sells dog food and it’s booked every night the food won’t get any better. Duh!!!
I used to feel bad for Trout toiling away in Anaheim. Once he signed the extension …
So you bag on fans for supporting their team? You sound like a disgruntled Rays fan about to lose to their team to Vegas.
How else do fans get a voice? If you have a better way I’m all ears. Otherwise the marketplace will give you more of what you support.
The Twins got really lucky last year with a lot of one year signings working out. This is sort of like hitting a 5 or 6 team parlay in betting, it’s some skill in identifying, but a lot of luck too. And it seems they’re doubling down on that process this year.
Meanwhile, look at all the one year contracts last year doled out by the Royals, White Sox and Indians. Either the Twins front office is unusually gifted in picking up reclamation projects or they’re likely to regress this season.
When your owner likes mansions, yachts and big jet planes more than World Series trophies.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but that’s literally every owner. No owner loves baseball and WS more than their money
No owner is going to spend out of their own pocket and lose money just to see a winning product. Well I can’t say no owner as I’m sure there have been a few. Most owners are in it to make money first. Which is why I always hate it when Yankees fans come at small market fans with the Yankees ownership isn’t afraid to spend money while your owners just pocket it.
Baseball needs to level the playing field, near total revenue sharing. Best ran teams win instead of deepest pockets
So true. Maybe Illitch before he died spent a bunch of his own money in pursuit of a ring, but most owners are looking to make money.
Why can’t we force people who own sports teams to never let money get in the way of them obtaining the player their FO says they need?
Owners truly are the worst people on the planet. Why would anyone take their side over the players will always be beyond my grasp.
The thing is, all owners are so rich they can literally buy every FA every year, but instead they now are…crying poor? The Cubs owners need to be banned from owning sports teams, period. This is so thinly-veiled and illogical that they’re doing this. Really terrible, really gross and really bad for the game.
If you own an MLB team, you gotta put up to win, or sell. No more parasite owners.
And look where Illitch’s spending got the Tigers
To be clear though we all take the owners side when we buy tickets for a game. It’s their game, they make the rules and we consume it. All professional sports are capitalism at its finest and that isn’t changing ever. I mean you don’t buy a business if you literally aren’t allowed to control how money is spent.
I think it’s a different dynamic though than other industries. This is entertainment and there is an ongoing relationship between the team and it’s fans. I think fans understand that there are going to be lean years when the team is rebuilding, but if you have a team that can be a true contender, ownership needs to make a good faith investment in it’s roster as a sign to the fans that they care.
“Wahhhhhh Joe Mauer’s contract totally handcuffed the Twins” was a nice break from “Wahhhhhh the Pohlads never spend any money”
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh the Twins got a new stadium for Joe Mauer money… It sure seems like a bargain.. they still have a stadium and the cash cow is still flowing… They are happier than a pig in mud…
Hope JD 3 is doing fine..
Regress – two punching bags. Waste of money
Who are the one year signings the Twins got “really lucky” with last year?
Edwin Jackson says he still wants to pitch! He hasn’t punched his Twins ticket y et.
The Twins definitely had some luck last year and I’ll think their will be some regression. Byron Buxton however, could finally break out and be a star this year. I have a good feeling about him. Even wrote a letter to the Phillies front office explaining why I think they should trade for him lol. Cutch would be the mentor Bux needs to put all his talent together and be a pro. He’s probably gonna be batting 7th or 8th in that lineup though so watch out. AL Central should be a fun division this year.
almost ZERO guarantee he comes back fully healthy from his shoulder surgery… it was pretty extensive..
Too bad, I had hill to the Dodgers.
Do these moves really help the Twins that much though? Hill was injured last year and 40 this year and Bailey hasn’t been good for a while and feels more like a depth signing. Guessing they are just hoping to catch some luck and use them to bridge the way for other starters to develop.
Crafty vets. Also Homer Bailey kind of looks like Christian Bale. So there’s that.
lol
Well thats worth it all by itself! Get the hotties out to Target Field!
Now the twins finally make subpar moves wow
Finally? They’ve been dumpster diving all Winter.
That is not true!
I’ll wait to see what they cost before congratulating the Twins. These guys are risky, far from big impact pitchers. I’d like to see the Twins compete like they did last year.
When Falvey said the Twins were going to target impact pitching I was excited that the team might take a step forward. Now I’m left wondering how things went so disastrously wrong.
Falvey thought Gerrit Cole would still be looking for work and sign a five year deal for $85 million and Fangraphs would put up a post justifying that outcome.
With the top arms off the board, going for depth is the smart move. Fortify with a really strong, deep ‘pen and they’re still the team to beat in the Central.
Nah.
Wish we could bet a month of your salary on that. Twins finish above the pale hose next year guaranteed.
You forgot the Indians.
Bieber + Clevinger is the best 1/2 in the division, and it’s not particularly close. If they can get something out of Jake Bauers, or get a starting left fielder in his place, they will be in my opinion the team to beat.
The tribe may end trading Lindor still. Cleveland will be in the mix. As of today I’d have the twins around 93 wins, tribe 85-88 ish and palehose a couple games above or under .500. Traditionally speaking “the team to beat” is the previous years division winner.
Less Franky Linder …forget about it
Eh, you could have that perspective on the team to beat, but I prefer forward looking rather than backward, and I think the only difference between the 2019 Twins and 2019 Indians was huge overperformance by the Twins’ offense and bullpen, a huge underperformance by Jose Ramirez, and the Indians’ willingness to roll with an all-nobody outfield for the first half of the season.
2020 Indians could possibly have two guys getting MVP votes (Ramirez, Lindor) and two guys getting Cy Young votes. I really like Mercado, Cesar Hernandez is underrated, Carlos Santana is effectively the equivalent of Cruz. Franmil has some upside.
Actually if I were betting today I’d be really tempted to put my money on CLE.
And yes, trading Lindor would put the kibosh on all this.
Agree with your assessment of best 1/2 starting pitchers but I wouldn’t say “not particularly close” . I think that Giolito and Keuchel are pretty decent as well. Let’s see how the season goes. Sox pitching will improve with Kopech and Rodon on the mend.
thats a Bet.. my salary is Zero…
Don’t think you’ve been paying attention to the Sox’ moves if you think they are about a .500 team. Adding Mazara adds a game, Keuchel and Gio, while not stars, should be 2 games better each than guys like Covey and Despaigne, and EE adds about 3 wins over their mess at DH. That’s 8 there. Then there’s 2 games each at 2b and CF for Robert and Madrigal, hopeful steps forward from Cease, Lopez, and Eloy, and a return from injury from Kopech. Twins are the team to beat, but I wouldn’t call them clear favorites.
Vegas has their 2020 win total at 80.5. Go ahead hammer that over get yourself a mortgage payment. I’m sure they also haven’t been paying attention.
But it’s a mediocre division isn’t it? Whoever wins it goes home in the ALDS. Or am I missing something?
That’s ok old guy probably haven’t had one since the Carter administration. But don’t fret feel free to use your monthly government stipend to bet with. Think of it as redistributing your redistributed money.
Fascinating New Year’s Eve double strike? Looks like a double bargain bin blue light special. Impact pitching? Come on Falvey/Lavine
Hahaha
Funny how there is no mention of Hill’s past injury history and how it is a risk for the Twins to sign him when there is always the injury-label to Ryu in almost every single of his articles.
They’ve mentioned it in all the other articles about him. Maybe they just assumed that everyone who reads MLBTR knows his history by now.
Maybe I missed it in the other articles about Hill. I was just curious about the “phenomena” in regards to Ryu and how the media was magnifying his injury history and how risky it was for teams to sign him this offseason (although it did not stop him from getting a massive contract) while it is rather a common theme for pitchers to come with some kind of injuries from the past.
Vastly different financial commitment to the two. You can risk spending not much on an injury risk, you cannot afford to break the bank on one.
Fair point. Ryu’s $80 mil (guaranteed) for 4 years and Hill’s $12.5 mil (after meeting all the incentives) for 1 year are indeed vastly different.
It’s a bit more important to point out the injury risk for a guy on a 5 year deal than a guy on a 1 year one, particularly one so cheap and incentive driven.
My point was that even before Ryu signed the contract it was all across the media how he comes with a heavy label for injuries but not much of a mention for all of the other pitchers.
Side note: Ryu’s contract was for 4 years and I would not call Hill’s contract for $12.5 mil cheap (albeit, after meeting all the 75 inning requirement).
Thank you Twins, I was worried that the Angels would sign one of them.
You should be worried about what’s left that they WILL eventually sign. Twins > Angels and its not even close.
Hill after his surgery, won’t be ready until May at the earliest. Pineda is suspended until May. The bullpen is still a mess. So the Twins have more question marks than the Angels do, when it comes to pitching. But they do play and benefit from playing in the AL Central, so they could still finish with a better record. Then lose in the first round of the playoffs.
When was the bullpen a mess? The Twins had the third best BP WAR in all of MLB in 2019 less than .5 from the Rays who were the best. They were right up there with the Rays and Yankees. And you can’t even say they were lucky. The ERA matches up with xFIP and the FIP says the ERA should have been even better than it was.
If the Twins BP was bad, then no team had a good BP last year. They lost no BP pieces to free agency but have added Clippard to it and Romo for a full season. Now if you want to say there is no guarantee they will be as good, that I can’t argue with. There is no guarantee.
The Twins problem is starters. It still is a problem with these two. Hill has more stuff than Perez, but with the injury concerns and missed time already that’s a push. If healthy, it’s an improvement. Bailey and Gibson are about equal. So the best thing one can probably say at this very moment is that by May/June they have the same SP as they had last year. Not good for a team that should be improving.
Twins showed how to win 100 games and get toasted in the playoffs. They remain wanna-bee.
9.5 mil for 15 starts isn’t too bad.
It’s $12.5MM for 15 starts as I read it. $3MM base + $9.5MM in available incentives. $12.5MM for 15 starts (or just 75 innings) from a guy who isn’t even available to start the season.
Hill, one less player Dodgers are “rumored” to sign.
Now we just need the Indians to say Lindor isn’t going anywhere and Betts is staying in Boston. Then all the Friedman haters can get the whining out of their system and we can get this season started!
Lol XD
Twins shopping at Kmart while everyone else shopping at Nieman Marcus
Who owns the Twins? I bet you he has never done any shopping at Kmart.
The Polad family. One of the highest net worths of any ownership group in MLB.
Missed opportunity to work in Minneapolis based retailer and named sponsor of the stadium, Target.
True, but I think even Target is too high end for this organization
LMAO
Why homer Bailey?
Because he did a great job in the Nolan Batman trilogy.
I like both these pickups, but aren’t they injury prone? Seems risky to rely upon innings from these two?
Bailey had his issues with the Reds, but now that he’s on one year deals I think most of the phantom injuries will dry up. Shame he couldn’t have given last year to Reds so they could have avoided that bad Puig and then Bauer deals.
I think he’ll be ok, but I wouldn’t expect much better than last year. He’s not the pitcher he was prior to TJ.
Bailey’s a pretty good gamble. His peripherals were actually better than Kyle Gibson and Tanner Roark. They both got significantly more than what it’d cost to bring Bailey back. I realize he’s been garbage for the 4 seasons prior to last year but I would take him on a small 1 year deal vs. giving out 24-30MM to the pair I listed.
Good luck Twins with that pompous A$- in your dugout as well as on the mound, if he ever gets there this year. Reflecting on his and his wife’s arrest…when my wife learned of enhanced security measures at sports and concert venues, she went out and bought a small hand purse, which is what a lot of women did to take to those events. It takes a very arrogant person, who thinks the rules don’t apply to them and because of their perceived celebrity status, they are the center of the universe, to try to bully their way past security. I do not wish those kinds of people well, and hope the Twins wasted whatever money they spent on this guy.
Quit acting like you know him personally. On the list of bad things people do, trying to smuggle in a big bag is literally nothing, grow up and stop judging people.
All kinds of people talk about the so-called entitlement of the poor. Almost no one talks about the entitlement of the rich, which to anyone who spends much time with them knows, is vast, endless really. They need to be exposed whenever possible. The knee-jerk kid glove treatment, which is fully expected by the rich as part of their entitlement and readily given by everyone lest they feel the wrath of the rich, is also noteworthy.
So, a high profile person who is privy to certain rules and regulations should not be subjected to criticism when they not only ignore those rules but become combative when they’re confronted? Such arrogance is indeed a reflection of one’s character and it’s not only appropriate to call attention to it, it’s our responsibility to “judge”, as “WE” ultimately “run the country” and control it’s culture, NOT the privileged few. “Smuggling” the large bag into the stadium is not the issue – it’s what followed. Years ago after ball parks enacted their restrictions, I had to give away a six pack of cola before entering a stadium – it was the rule, however ridiculous I thought it was at the time,
scottaz – previously had no opinion of Rich Hill before his arrest
scottaz – really did write that many words about Rich Hill based off one incident where literally nothing happened and no one got hurt
scottaz – needs to grow up
Southern Cal teams are sitting on their hands
Who knew Dumpstermart was having a BOGO on washed up starters? This is peak Twins. Terry Ryan is nodding with approval.
Its De Ja vu all over again.. Yogi
nice pickups for the Twins… low downside to either signing
Uh, … really?
its upside you need.. and there is no Upside here..
So long Dick Mountain. Best of luck! He is a great competitor.
I cannot believe I never thought of that nickname.
I like the Rich Hill signing for them – lot of upside for when he comes off of injury
But Homer Bailey sucks … like I would be mad if I was a twins fan that they are wasting payroll on that clown .
He had some lights out starts last season, what were you watching?!
Watch him get lit up!!!
Watch him get LIT UP!
If your happy with him, more power to you – watched him throw for Reds for several years, did well for about two . Then they paid him to leave … a lot of years of 6.00 era ball, the twins sign him for 7 mil … hope he works out for you, but don’t be surprised when he gives up 4 HRs a game
If I WERE a Twins’ fan, ….
Then the owners of your civic treasure would have been Griffith, Pohlad and more Pohlad.
Can someone explain to me why Bailey gets so much attention? His numbers have, and will always be, awful overall.
Was once great
Nice to see Minnesota taking over the Indians crown of winning the division and then being fine drifting through the next offseason. Hopefully it doesn’t turn out like it did for Cleveland.
Or it leaves them a lot of payroll flexibility to make a move at the deadline instead of throwing money at overpaid crap in free agency. The Phillies paid 125 million bucks for a guy’s potential. The Blue Jays paid a 33 year old who has never been healthy 80 million bucks.
Fans will lazily berate teams for not spending. Those who don’t make those stupid hasty decisions usually end up in a better place. Cleveland didn’t miss the playoffs because they didn’t spend either. Lazy analysis. It was more likely because Kluber missed the entire season, Clevinger missed half the season and Carrasco got cancer. But no you’re right—the cheap argument is a much better one. Fits the narrative. I completely understand.
like Trade Sano and others short timers as they are looking like a .500 club
Hope Hill’s wife is jiggy with this. Don’t want to tick her off.
She’ll be fine, minnesota has some of the nicest jail cells in the midwest!
Not sure signing Hill a smart… guy is old and has been living a lot on the IL
Hill is a nice get for a mid season pick-me-up, but how in the heck is Bailey now considered “reliable innings” with one full season of mediocre pitching preceded by 4 years of injury and terrible results.
It’s the burden of low expectations. In 2019’s ridiculous environment, Bailey’s mid 4’s ERA was worth over 2 WAR!
That was with a significantly better than league average HR/9, so I would expect that when they nerf the baseball this year, Bailey is going to quickly go from a 2 WAR player to a 0 WAR player, since it’s the pitchers with homeritis who are going to be helped most
They call guys like Porcello and Teheran “reliable” and there’s nobody worse than them.
Hahaha – the Twins will never change. Every year they whiff on difference makers so they hope a Martin Perez or Lance Lynn will come along and magically become one. Homer Bailey is just this year’s version.
They will never be able to compete in the postseason against teams that are several quality starting pitchers deep until they get out of the free agent kiddie pool. Especially as their ace, Berrios, has now an established history of running out of gas late season.
Hill, sure, why not, it’s a lottery ticket and he can go straight on the 60 day DL so he doesn’t even take up a roster spot.
I agree but would add that Lance Lynn turned into a solid pitcher last year. The Twins gave up on him too soon.
Didn’t they only have him on a 1 year deal, and since they were out of contention, they might as well have traded him?
In their defense on Lynn, he really was better than his Twins ERA suggested.
Considering Rich Hill won’t pitch for the first half of the season, this is probably more of a lateral move for the Twins than a tangible upgrade of the rotation. One thing is crystal clear: if they’re in contention by mid-season, they will absolutely, positively have to acquire an elite arm at the trade deadline if they have any intention of competing in October. They might have enough to get them through the regular season (like last year), but they’ll need a true ace for the playoffs.
But they won’t add anything at the trade deadline because of Hill and Pineada. They now have two pitchers who will be coming back around that time so they will use that as a reason not to pursue impact pitching.
The Twins have arguably had the worst off-season of any contender. They had the financial freedom to meet their needs and the best they could do was sign a mid rotation arm, a back of the rotation arm, and 2 infirmary arms. That’s pathetic.
I hope this comment doesn’t age well.
So with the latest news, Rich Hill can earn incentives to Jack up his salary to $9.5M if he tosses 75 innings. So by that logic, a full 150 inning season of Rich Hill is valued at $19M (9.5 x 2). Wow that’s lot of coin for a soft tossing 40 year old. God Bless Lefties.
Is it really any more realistic that Rich Hill contributes this season than, say, Danny Salazar, Taijuan Walker or Jimmy Nelson? I’d rather have any of those guys on a Pineda-like “Prove it this year, plus a team option for next’ deal, which they would assuredly take.
Course, this signing doesn’t prevent them from doing that still…
The Twins were desperate to settle on these two. Hill won’t be here until mid season and who knows what Bailey will bring to the mound. Dobnak/Littell/Thorpe/Smeltzer/Graterol are going to get significant innings filling in for Pineda and Hill. There’s still plenty of money to be spent–I’d sign as many of Berrios/Sano/Buxton/Odorizzi as possible to moderate contracts a la Kepler/Polanco. I’d rather see them do that instead of spending money on Donaldson because in 2021 we will probably still be needing 3 starting pitchers to replace Hill/Bailey/Odorizzi whose contracts will be up.
Good luck seeing hill on the injured list for about 70% of the time. Follow the Dodgers out here on the West Coast and every time you turned around he was being put on the I L
Most free agents under perform and are over pays, this looks like a good move for the Twins but we know it’s could be a non issue as well. The Sox look to have closed the gap in the Central, while the Indians still have the best pitching.
Homer Bailey should be arrested by robbery for taking a paycheck the last 4 years. The fact Minnesota would hive him that much money when the division is there for the taking is mind boggling.
Homer Bailey has made $91m to be horrible.
Too Bad Homer didn’t sign back with the A’s – Oakland a young powerful rotation – so there really wasn’t much room but man Bailey was amazing with the Athletics last year…
I see you like to set the bar low.
“More than anything, it’s a highly notable development for a Twins club that entered the offseason promising to pursue impact arms.”
Still waiting…
What are you complaining about?
They pursued the impact arms. They didn’t get any. You might find this hard to believe, but the twin cities were not high on the list of places those guys wanted to play. Fans in 6-8 other cities are complaining as well about not signing top-tier pitchers. In my mind, the only 2 were Cole and Strasburg. Wheeler is a #3 starter as is Bumgarner – one past his prime, one never had a prime.
There is a massive shortage of quality pitchers in the 30 team MLB – both starters and bullpen pitchers. Many reasons for that. In short, there aren’t enough good ones to go around. Teams have to develop the pitchers they have contractual control over. The Twins have a sensational pitching coach – one that finally got something out of their pitchers last year. Lets see what Mr. Johnson does with the guys he works with in 2020.
Take a deep breath. I’m not a Twins fan; I’m not complaining about anything. These are not the impact arms they are seeking. That is all.
There aren’t any free agent impact players left. Homer Bailey was arguably the best pitcher left.
Ha they merely kicked the tires on these guys. MadBum it seems just wanted to go to Arizona at all costs so I understand that. Wheeler is the guy that they really needed to make a bigger play for. I really don’t understand why they didn’t try to at least force the issue offering him a Corbin-like deal (6/$140M) because them making a distant third-place offer (5/~$100M) is pretty much a non-offer.
You say that Wheeler is a #3. In this rotation he is an easy #2, possibly ACE. His FB is elite, his metrics are great and it would’ve been fun to see Wes Johnson bring his performance to a new level. I understand there’s some risk to him, but on the other hand that is why his quote is less an half of Cole or Strasburg. This was the Twins simply balking on paying the market rate to land the player yet again.
Wheeler and his family wanted to stay in their New Jersey home. Period. They had lived in that area all their lives. Had friends and family there.
You think he was going to uproot their lives for even 30-40% more? They were already financially fixed for life.
Get it through your head……
Players with young families have kids that have friends in areas, and wives that have family and friends in areas. They have doctors, schools. etc. Not easy to start over. I know. They’e not going to move around the country if they can help it. They’ll only use the higher bids to get more money from the teams in the area they want to stay in.
Ha I’ve seen a number of your posts replying to people on here and I gotta say that your shtick and rude attitude is getting tiresome.
I’m not denying everything that you saying here but many FAs deal with these same considerations, but yet oftentimes take the best offer even if it involves the prospect of moving because this is likely their only opportunity in life to make this kind of money.
All I’m saying is that they didn’t really even pursue him that seriously. They backed down at one of the first signs of competition. If Wheeler turns them down because he wants to stay closer to the area then fine, but at least let that be the reason and put a competitive offer on the table. Him taking more money to remain closer to home is a no-brainer. However, topping their offer by $20M+ at least gives him something to think about. Maybe he turns us down and maybe he doesn’t. Unfortunately, we didn’t have the fortitude to even find out.
What rude attitude?
There are only so many hours in a day that FO people can work.
The Twins knew what was in their budget. And they talked to Wheeler’s reps. No doubt they realized there was no match and put their efforts into things that might be workable. So the got 2 guys for Johnson to work with that aren’t the greatest pitchers. But they got something instead of spinning their wheels on Wheeler and losing out totally.
Your condescending tone talking down to people like they’re idiots. This is the information age and people know more than you think.
For the most part,there is a good chance that many of the posters here know what P&L and a budget is. Don’t you think It’s possible for the FO to be doing a good job in most areas but to have bungled this offseason’s negotiations for FAs and the trade market?
For the record, I think this FO is miles ahead of the previous regime and think they have done a solid job. However, I do think that their lack of aggressiveness now and should it continue is going to eventually come back to hurt us like it has in the past. If we are to make it to the next level, we are going to need to take some calculated risks. I think you could say putting the screws to Philly and putting in a competitive offer for Wheeler would be one..
For less money they could have signed Alex Wood and Felix Hernadez. I really hope they open their wallet and sign Donaldson, get him out of the NL East please.
Felix Hernandez is terrible. He doesn’t belong throwing a pitch in the major leagues. It isn’t 2014. Both of these guys are better than Hernandez and most likely Wood.
I’m not arguing with you that King Felix has been terrible but they could have got him on a league minimum minor league deal and not even take up a roster spot. I dont think he’s done though. Would not be surprised if someone took a flier on him and gives somebody 23-25 starts and 120-130 innings of 4.50 ball
Alex Wood has major injury issues, though that is comparable to Hill I suppose. Felix I’m afraid is done unless he can rework himself into a pitcher with far less stuff.
Felix pitches as if he were a 42 year old.
As a White Sox fan I love these moves. These are not depth signings. The Twins are actually counting on these two for the second half. White Sox are winning this division!
In what future year?
I’m a White Sox fan and I agree on Bailey, but Hill has been good when available. Problem has been how rarely he’s available. Good news for the Sox will be he’ll likely have short starts, but he is still effective.
Twins have a pretty good lineup and these are the tin cans they think are going to solidify a weak staff? Good luck with that.
GO GO Pale hose!!!!!!
central’s gonna be fun this year
While signing his contract, Hill developed a blister on his index finger and will miss the start of spring training.
Thank u Twinkies for a great off season…..So I guess the Twinkies will have 3 starters for the 1st third of the season!!!! Can u say 3rd place at best……LMAO
behond who? even with two rookie starters filling in you still have the only other good team in the division with a rotation made out of sophmores and glass.
…some very good sophomores at that and “glass” arms are far more prevalent than the rubber variety throughout MLB, so that’s par for the course and the risk with pitchers in general. I’d rather have a good arm made of glass than a rubber arm that gets routinely shelled.
still doubt Bailey, but id take him and a half a year of Hill over Gibson and Perez.
Thank god we won’t be bringing back Hill. Easily the best move of the offseason for us.
I like the structure of the Hill signing. He’s not going to give you a ton of innings, but the ones he throws are quality.
This looks like they are hoping Bailey can replace Gibson’s normal year. He might replace a normal year, but Gibson was better than normal last year.
The only thing I can take away from these signings is that the FO must have a lot of faith in Graterol, Balazovic, and Duran.
Lastly, if the Twins lose Donaldson the White Sox will have a legitimate shot at winning the division.
I’m sure they do… for 2021 and beyond since none of the 3 are remotely ready for any significant rotation presence in MLB this year.
You’re telling me none of these young power arms have the potential to be significant 2nd half contributers?
Duran will start the year in AA, Graterol struck out two in the postseason, and while Balazovic may be a wildcard I could see him making his debut in July.
Not sure why the Twins got rid of Terry Ryan if the new front office was just going to do the same kinds of signings. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as they say…
They needed new pocket protectors to mollify the masses. Mission accomplished, full steam trays ahead !
Should trade for Steven Matz or Caleb Smith
In Rich Hill’s contract, do the Twins let Mrs Hill come in with an oversize bag ?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Here are the twins pretending to live up to their own Hype… They Pretend that this is the smart move when Top Pitching is a clear path to the post season victories.. nope this ain’t it.. this is the We got a new Stadium and have pocketed the profits for a decade Twins.. That money was supposed to go for UPGRADES and Keeping the Team at the Top.. instead its been a decade long rebuild and they are still acting as if “competitive” is a magic word… you know why top Free agents don’t want to come to Minnesota.. because while the Twins are selling that they have a ” competitive” team… the other teams are selling We have a “winning team capable of being champions”… the only way this works is if IF they get LUCKY… because it sure isn’t about putting the best players they can afford on the field..
Signing stiffs to replace stiffs is not an improvement
would rather get hill for 2 years, or club option
“His mid-season strides don’t seem to correspond to any major changes to his approach or pitch quality”
Not true.
His previous pitch mix was FB/SL/SP/C, now it’s FB/SP/SL/C. In 2019 he went from using his slider as his second pitch to his splitter, which is approximately the same speed but different movement.
These signing could go south real quick, given their health history….
If Twins fans are confident in the current rotation of Berrios, Odorizzi and a few has beens, unknowns and Pineda than this is the right move.
If Twins fans are looking for the team to take another step forward in 2020 and answer the Yankees, this news doesn’t help you do that.
A big step back ….. Division Pale hose by a landslide
I feel sorry for Twins fans. Talk about all the good pitching they need and sign 2 players of lesser talent that left. Either the regime their is going all Billy Epller on them or nobody wants to play there. Such a beautiful city to play in and great fans.
No one praised the Royals for signing Edison Volquez and Chris Young in 2015. That worked out to okay.
I’m sure most Royal fans were ok with Volquez after he had a pretty darn good 2014 season in Pittsburgh. Chris Young’s 2014 season wasn’t bad either.
Bailey and Hill only wish they had the season(s) Edinson and Chris had.
I don’t understand how these moves help in October and get the Twins over that hump. The Indians starters could step up and power them through a series. The Sox could have Giolito, Kopech, Rodon, Cease step up and win a series (not saying likely, just that it’s possible). The Twins rotation I think gets smoked again against anybody. Am I completely off-base?
Nope. Berrios and Odorizzi are OK, but not aces. The team won due to the happy ball and guys way outperforming expectations, even factoring in the new ball. I expect some regression.
For Berrios, I would say the potential is certainly there for him to take the next step. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him pitching in the low 3s next year. Still though was hoping we could land an upper-rotation SP to complement him, but it looks like that’s not going to happen.
HIll could be an interesting piece out of the bullpen in the second half and hopefully the playoffs. I don’t know what Bailey’s good for unless the Twins want to try to beat teams 12-9 again this year.
Count R. Hill in for 6-8 starts next year!
As long as 1 of them is a strong playoff start, that’s perfect. Teach graterol the curve too.
The Bailey signing is sneaky good as he pitched very well for the A’s. He was lit up in 2 starts which affected his numbers a lot. The worst was in Houston which is obviously very suspect now.i see him as a plus signing for the Twins.
How could Bailey get so much after his last 5 terrible years?
Did Hill get a blister signing his contract?
Homer Bailey’s numbers last year were better than Martin Perez or Kyle Gibson.
I’m not sure the Twins will get much out of Rich Hill. If they don’t, it only cost $3 million to find out.
I think the Twins have 1 big move before season starts whether it’s a trade or signing Josh Donaldson.
I would have preferred a more upside signing like Taijuan Walker or Aaron Sanchez. Those guys have question marks too.
Hill, just before signing: “Anyone know the Kauffman bag policy? Asking for an unspecified family member.”
These are buffer signings.. they know white sox are going to crush.. hope you liked your 1 year window Twinkies
Go Cubs Go
Is Terry Ryan a Special Assistant to the Special Assistant or something ???
Twins make meaningful additions to rotation.
Twins make no additions to rotation.
Is Minny serious with these moves? At this point, I have the Sox winning the Central. Tribe over them as well.
What happened to Hill either staying in LA, going to pitch on the east coast or retiring?
He signed with the Twins instead of doing any of those 3 things.
Yes. Why do you think that is?
Obviously money. It is business
Money. This is business
he needed a bigger oversized bag
@wordonthestreet 10 points for you and none for all the people who said he was dead set on either the Dodgers or an east coast team
@sacball underrated comment
Probably the best or only Major League deal on the table for him with the injury and all.
He and his wife wanted to be a shorter plane flight from Patriots’ games. She just bought a new steamer chest to bring to the wildcard game.
Warm bodies I guess. Smh
I don’t understand why mlb teams are stuck on the homer bailey train…. like when you look around the league you can find a handful of guys who have had pretty terrible careers, yet continue to find themselves an mlb job. Homer is one of them. He had like a 2-3 year period where he was just ok, and somehow that secured him years and years of major league money … mind blown
he had a FIP of 3.65, K/9 of 8.8 and a BB/9 of 1.8 in the second half of last year, how would that not earn a MLB job?
Quite an exciting competition taking shape for the #5 rotation slot.
Great job Twins. This team has leadership and intelligence.