Nolan Arenado’s name has frequented the rumor mill of late, but ESPN’s Buster Olney writes (subscription required) that one evaluator whose team has spoken to the Rockies about Arenado is under the impression that the club isn’t aggressively looking to offload the contract. Arenado has seven years and $234MM remaining on his contract, an opt-out clause after 2021 and a full o-trade clause, making him a difficult player to trade even if the front office was strongly motivated to do so. Colorado GM Jeff Bridich rather broadly acknowledged that “this is the time of year where we at least listen” earlier this month, but there’s been little indication that there’s anything more significant than that “listening” going on with regard to Arenado.
Some more trade talk from around the league…
- Matthew Boyd’s second-half struggles won’t push the Tigers to back down from the high asking price they’ve set in trade talks, writes Anthony Fenech of the Detroit Free Press. General manager Al Avila has repeatedly downplayed the notion that he’s shopping Boyd while also acknowledging that he’s been willing to listen to offers when approached by another club. Fenech, though, suggests that Boyd is likely to be Spring Training with the Tigers and might have to endure another half season’s worth of trade inquiries leading up to the July 31 trade deadline in 2020. He adds that Avila and the Tigers have yet to approach Boyd regarding an extension, which isn’t a huge surprise given the team’s rebuilding status and the fact that Boyd is controlled through 2022 anyhow.
- Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and manager Aaron Boone both said Friday that they expect third baseman Miguel Andujar to be ready for Spring Training, per Dan Martin of the New York Post. A shoulder injury that required surgery torpedoed Andujar’s would-be sophomore season in the Bronx. In his absence, he was both a subject of trade inquiries and at least somewhat pushed for his starting job by the surprise breakout of Gio Urshela. Andujar and Urshela seem likely to compete for at-bats this spring, though Cashman has previously called the hot corner Urshela’s position to lose. Andujar has minor league options remaining if he shows signs of rust in Florida; Urshela is out of minor league options.
- The Giants will likely continue experimenting with the roles of their pitchers in 2020, writes Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area. Shaun Anderson is one of several younger pitchers identified by Pavlovic for a potential hybrid starter/reliever role, and president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi tells Pavlovic that the right-hander expressed a willingness to pitch in any role in a meeting between the two after the season. It’s hard to imagine veterans Johnny Cueto or Jeff Samrdzija being deployed as anything other than conventional starters, and the Giants will surely want some continuity in their starting staff beyond that. (Offseason signee Kevin Gausman has been primarily a starter in the big leagues and was compensated as such with his $9MM deal.) But, as Pavlovic explores, the Giants also have several fringe rotation candidates who could get looks in multi-inning roles as the team looks to build out its pitching staff for the foreseeable future.
gmenfan
Zaidi: Let’s reinvent the wheel rather than just improve our terrible starting pitching and putrid offense.
22Leo
I told Giants fans as soon as Zaidi was hired they would be calling for his head within a couple years. I’m not saying you were calling for his head but I am saying that I predicted he is not a good general manager
gmenfan
No, I definitely wasnt calling for his head. Admittedly, he’s saddled with a bunch of ugly contracts that he’s clearly waiting out, and some of his scrap heap acquisitions have proven to be golden. But sometimes thinking outside the box is just that. Your starting pitching is terrible and your offense has been bottom 5 for three years. Being cute is not the solution, getting more talent on the MLB roster is.
phillyballers
Didn’t they have opportunities to improve via trade and did squat?
Dabofus going to the Padres game
What other option is there? Sign other pitchers to horrible contracts? If cueto and samardjza show strong and durable he can get out of some of the money owed.
He’s doing the right thing waiting out the contracts and now destroying payroll flexibility.
mrnatewalter
Much has been made about the Giants not trading Bumgarner and Smith last July, so most takes aren’t really all that ground-breaking, and honestly, you should know why they didn’t by now.
There were several reasons those trades weren’t made: 1) the Giants FO probably felt they wanted to give Bochy one more chance, 2) they may have felt that this risk was worth it because they would get a QO pick for both, and Zaidi values draft picks. 3) Perhaps the returns weren’t that strong. Bumgarner didn’t exactly get a monstrous contract, and it seems there weren’t a lot of bidders this winter. I bet even fewer teams wanted to give up top prospects for him.
Regarding Zaidi, the farm system took massive steps forward in just one season with him in charge. They got great returns for Pomeranz and Dyson, found some solid pieces via waiver wires, and even acquired a first-rounder for nothing other than taking on 13M in salary (for a guy who could be decent in 2020). He got the Braves to take on all of Melancon’s salary AND gave a pretty decent prospect for him.
I’m unsure why any Giants fan (or baseball fan for that matter) would doubt Zaidi or think he’s not very good. He’s light-years better than Bobby Evans and it’s comical that anyone would think he’s bad.
pustule bosey
the getting mlb ready talent part has to be a later thing – unless you have a reliable young guy that you can spend a long term contract on, you need to bring up that younger core first and then add veterans – as it is right now you are looking at a transition period and you have to give it till mid-end of this year before you see what you can work with. Bart, luciano, hjelle are all fast tracking and there are guys around them to try out, once you see where your holes are with what you got you can trade or sign guys to improve – otherwise all you are doing is getting guys to try to put butts in seats that you’ll have to move around later in order to make space for other guys. I figure it is going to take a little bit more patience to see what we are going to be watching in the near future and don’t want to jump the gun about decisions being made
arc89
The reason Giants did not trade away players during the trade deadline had to do with putting people in the seats. Giants top management is more worried about the mighty dollar and renewal of season tickets than next year. They did receive some offers for Smith and Madbum. They should do a full rebuild but will not because of fans going to the game. Demand for tickets at a all time low. They are not raising prices this year.
JoeBrady
And therein lies the problem. A lot of SFG fans wanted to go for it last year. And, in the end, they weren’t even close.
MadBum & Smith should’ve easily netter them a couple of top-100 types.
Dock_Elvis
Amazing a business with investors wants to make money over acquiring medium grade prospects which wont likely help the next season anyway. The Giants arent a poor team, but they also dont have to be stupid.
Dock_Elvis
I’ll guess those fans were the ones paying the bills. I dont think the Giants are making much off my internet opinion of how to win games on the field in the near future.
mrnatewalter
If the Giants could have acquired a handful of top 100 guys by trading Smith & Bumgarner, they would have been traded.
geg42
Traded Dyson and Melancon. Got draft picks for Bumgarner and Will Smith
geg42
The decision at the trade deadline was likely the offers on the table for Smith & Bumgarner vs QO draft pick compensation. If ticket sales were a factor, they were minor in comparison.
cainer18
It’s hard for them to do a full rebuild with all these immovable contracts. Samardzija is gone by July if he replicates his 2019, and maybe they could swing a Belt or Crawford deal if they bounce back in 2020. But right now they can’t get much salary relief OR talent in any trade, so they’re stuck with an aging core at the moment.
Despite keeping Bum and Smith last July (which made more sense at the time, and who knows what offers were actually out there), he’s acquired immense value for Pomeranz and Dyson. He got someone to take on all of Melancon’s salary. He nabbed both a 2019 first-rounder and Cozart (a textbook buy-low one-year guy a rebuilding team seeks) all for what they would have been paying Melancon in 2020. He let Bumgarner walk to a division rival in the interest of the team’s long term plan.
He dug through the dumpster to find potential pieces in Yastrzemski and Dickerson, which is exactly what a team hopes to find when they lack both the minor league talent and flexibility to add established MLB veterans. Maybe they will continue to blossom, or maybe they’ll fizzle our. Point is, this is the perfect time to give them a chance to find out while they nurture the farm and let the old contracts expire.
The roster he inherited is too saddled for a traditional “tear it all down” rebuild, yet he’s shuffled the roster to demonstrably improve the farm and jettison most of the movable pieces in his first year
Jean Matrac
The Giants aren’t stupid. They are well aware of the fact that winning puts more butts in seats than anything else. Does anyone actually believe that the Giants are so short-sighted that they would turn down top 100 prospects thinking that 2 months of Bum and Smith has more appeal to fans than future stars? Assuming that they turned down great offers is assuming they’re just stupid. I don’t buy it. If keeping Bum was so important drawing fans why didn’t they out-bid the D’backs for his services?
wordonthestreet
Your prediction needs to wait for the outcome. You have not been proven correct yet
JoeBrady
You have no alternatives. You don’t have a good team. Signing a couple of overpriced SPs in the hopes of not finishing last?
ghostrobot
Giants gonna be hot dogsiht on a summer sidewalk for about 3 yrs. I’m sure the staff at this lovely website are gonna love that s
scotthhh
I stepped in hot dogs*^t on a summer sidewalk in the Tenderloin district in downtown San Fran last summer. At least I hope it was dogs#%^t…
snotrocket
It wasn’t. The city of SF literally has a “poo patrol” to deal with the human feces problem. Pays 200k a year from what I’ve read.
Dock_Elvis
200k a year and you’re STILL splitting a place with 3 other people in SF. Man I love that place…but its insufferable in many respects.
scotthhh
Great. I’ll burn my Kyrie’s that I haven’t worn since
JoeBrady
Pays 200k a year from what I’ve read.
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“Workers on San Francisco’s new poop patrol ….make a whopping $71,760 per year. That number grows to $184,678 including mandated benefits,”
If you’re one of the homeless, you’d literally be getting paid to poop. I’d be curious about how base pay goes from $71k+ to $184k because of fringes. But still not bad.
Dock_Elvis
My wife actually managed low income housing development for a fortune 500 company. In SF school teachers and first responders live in govt projects.
Ridiculous.
sanfranb27
They said that about this past year and they ended up in 3rd place. Looks like their pitching is at least better than Colorado and San Diego.
Talk about hot dog-poo. When people claim you’re the new ish in town and you can’t back it up.
BrewCrew82
Those classic O-Trade Clauses……can’t get around em.
pasha2k
Sure they can, see with many of them select where they would go or they get more money or both!
R.D.
Andujar seems like a good fit for the Braves and it seems the back of the yankees rotation is a little on the week side. hmmmmm.
gmenfan
Better than being on the month side, I suppose.
Just_a_thought
I hate to be the one to bring this up, but imagine being on the day side. Real yikes.
Just_a_thought
Which part of the back end is weak? German or Happ or Montgomery or King or Garcia (all the 5th starter options)? I’d take another look at the Yankees top 30 prospects, you’ll likely see they need catching depth more than back end rotation options at this point.
Yankee Mike
We have catchers but they are in single A
rocky7
Don’t know where you get that from…..Cole, Paxton, Tanaka, Severino, German (when he comes back from suspension), and currently Happ/Montgomery……please explain how that rotation “seems the back end of the rotation is a bit on the weak side”?
The Nat’s is considered the best….how about naming their 4th and 5th starters for us?
And exactly what starter of the Brewers would be interesting to the Yankees as a 5th type of guy which is what you seem to imply with your comment about Andujar going the other way. The Yankees interest in anything Brewers is and has been only Hader! Last time we checked, he wasn’t a back end starter right?
Just_a_thought
The post said Braves, not Brewers
pojack
Anibal Sanchez is a solid fourth starter for the Nats, but agree with you that the Yanks are not exactly in need of a fourth or fifth starter..
fits65
RD is a little weak in the back end of his brain. Wishful thinking that Andujar is with a back end of the rotation guy.
Tell your team to stop cheating out. They got a deal of the decade last season with Donaldson. Now it’s time to put up or shut up.
MLBTRS
Give him a break – he’s thinking 8 man rotation.
jkurk_22
No thank you
chino31
Not sure what’s weak about the rotation. Montgomery should be back in full health. The only question mark is what will happen to German. As with Andujar, Yanks can afford to trade him even if Gio’s 2019 was a fluke. Gio’s glove is superior and with the lineup the Yankees have, they can afford having Gio manning the hot corner.
pojack
They can afford to trade him but with Dj and Gleyber becoming full time 2nd and ss, no Didi, no Encarnacion,, Hicks on the dl and an extra player, Yanks don’t have to force a trade either with him either.. And if Ursela put up the numbers he did with Clev and Toronto, Yanks aren’t gonna keep him out there just because of the glove.
SalaryCapMyth
Don’t think the Braves would look to Andujar even as a plan B. Good fielding is critical to this front office. Between that and how much Andujar would probably cost, I think their are to many road blocks.
Yankee Mike
Cole, Severino, Paxton; Tanaka, Happ, Montgomery, Loisiaga, Garcia. Nope no openings there. Andujar May be the new 1st baseman.
Eatdust666
Lol there’s no way the Tigers get a big return for Boyd and they almost certainly won’t if he can’t return to his 2019 first half form.
BobSacamano
But, what if he does?
ntorsky
I don’t know where all the hate comes from…by pretty much all accounts he was a top-30 starter last year, even with his second half crash. At worst, he’s a top-50 starter. That safely warrants a potential 55-60 overall prospect and a couple low level wild cards.
terry g
Good luck getting a top 55-60 prospect for him unless he improves.
Stat_head
Nobody on the Tigers, or their fans, wants to trade him for nothing? What exactly would be the incentive for the Tigers to dump him? His years of control? Low salary?
CalCity
Arenado….the trade unicorn each off season that never gets traded.
snotrocket
Matt Boyd is like a worse version of Chris Archer, and I think everyone in baseball saw how that worked out for Pittsburgh. It cracks me up how the media trys to make these guys who have interesting peripherals but can’t prevent runs at all out as good pitchers. If you can’t prevent runs, which is your job as a pitcher, you suck. Doesn’t matter how many people you strike out.
Stat_head
It’s amazing some people still think ERA is still a meaningful stat. Simply mixing his pitches better and becoming less predictable will cut down on the HRs. FYI – the guys with best K stats typically give up the fewest runs.
MLBTRS
Ever see him pitch? Great stuff with good movement, but has a focus problem. which results in bad location at a bad time, along with a horrible defense. A lot of great SP giver up HR (Verlander) but they also have a low WHIP, which is not the case with Boyd, although it’s not high. HR rates were up for virtually every SP. Verlander’s was 1.6 in ’19 which is Boyd’s career rate, including minors. On a decent team, Boyd is a solid #3 and his stats would reflect it.
seth3120
Boyd won’t get moved strictly because he tapered off at the end of the season. His value is up in the air at the moment. The Tigers will hang on and hope he pitches like he did in the first half. Nobody wants to offload top prospects for a guy coming off a down slide. We’ll see if he can rebuild stock or if he was never as good as his first half and his hype
BobSacamano
I agree. It’s amazing he’s listed this much on MLBTR.
hitztheball
He is listed because the author knows he generate at least 10 responses of people arguing about his value
Stat_head
Seems like much more than that. Amazing how some people never miss the opportunity to proclaim how ERA is the only star that matters. Sad.
kwolf68
Wonder what kind of offers the Tigers got at the TDL last year? I suspect it was pretty good considering the impressive haul Arizona got for Grienke (NO I am not comparing the two) and the desperate need for SPs from other teams, such as the Yankees who were said to have made a play for Robbie ray, I gotta think they looked at Boyd as well. Gotta know when the right time it is to trade a player and last year may have been that time for Detroit.
JoeBrady
Avila has repeatedly downplayed the notion that he’s shopping Boyd while also acknowledging that he’s been willing to listen to offers when approached by another club.
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Epically stupid, if true. Sounds like a HS prom where some guy insists on a girl he likes making the first move. Rather get nothing than undergo the indignity of having to call someone?
But that’s not the epic stupidity part.
If Avila calls 29 teams, he will get 29 offers, which he can whittle down to 5 serious contenders, and then leverage them against one another.
If he is waiting for someone to call him, he is dealing with exactly one team, with no leverage.
kwolf68
Really good point, but perhaps it’s all a smokescreen anyway? Maybe Avila is making calls to various teams, especially those showing interest in the past. I could see several teams being interested in Boyd, including San Diego and the Angels.
OtisSnord
The Angels were interested, but not at the price Avila wanted. That;s why talks died 10 days ago. Both teams have moved on.
Melchez
Seems like the fans of other teams are upset because the Tigers didn’t give Boyd away. If Boyd was on their team, they’d be saying how great he is.
Dock_Elvis
There’s really zero point to shop him. He’s cheap and they have him 3 more seasons. This isnt some locked down lights out starter. If he were more of a sure thing he’d be off that Tigers roster already, because those prospects you “listen” on would be there. The thing is…it might cost Avila more to replace him on the roster, actually. Because with these young arms.. they can’t just add cheap around them in the rotation and tax that short pen even more. So you’re gonna have to pay for another starter and more pen depth….just so you can go draw another top pick. You can friggen do that with Boyd every 5 days…and likely draft better than his return in a trade.
BobSacamano
I think that’s what Avila has been trying to tell us for awhile now. DET wants to keep Boyd. And that’s okay.
Dock_Elvis
It’s not a straight comparison, but he has just a tad of the same thing going as Whit Merrifield in KC. There’s just a very clear difference between trying to win games in a pure baseball scenario and trying to manage an actual business with multiple variables.
JoeBrady
FWIW, I’d get rid of Merrifield faster than Boyd.
JoeBrady
There’s really zero point to shop him. He’s cheap and they have him 3 more seasons.
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And in one year, he will be less cheap, and only have two more seasons. If Avila holds on hoping for Boyd to repeat Apr-May 2019, I would completely understand.
But holding on for no particular reason? Detroit is almost a lock to finish last again.
GeoKaplan
Avila made 30 calls. He inadvertently called his own office. He almost made a deal to trade Boyd for some of his own minor leaguers, but backed off at the last minute.
quantomoffandom
That’s our Al, giving away the farm.
bigbadjohnny
Yankees are in PLAY for Kris Bryant……..do not know what the Yankees are offering.
SheltonMatthews
Great, thanks for that
wordonthestreet
Nobody is in play for Bryant until is grievace is resolved.
Yankee Mike
Where did you see that? Isn’t he below average at 3rd?
TheMick7
Highly doubtful, especially when they already have two third basemen, well one and one-half third baseman. Yankees are “in play” means Yankees called and asked what they were looking for, probably offered something of low value and that was it.
Everyone knows if they say the Yankees are involved it can drive urgency up because they have the farm system and money to acquire almost anyone.
All of this, of course, of predicated on that rumor having any grain of truth to it. Apparently nobody else, including me, has seen anything about this.
22jclark
People keep complaining about Zaidi, what do you want him to do? Still saddled with bad contracts (Crawford, Belt, Posey, Longoria). He’s been rebuilding the farm. Yaz and Dickerson (when healthy) were nice adds. He got the Braves to take Melancon and his contract. He got Dubon for nothing. I’d say he’s doing pretty good. If you think he got great offers at the deadline for Bum or Will Smith and still kept them, you’re crazy. Not signing Pillar was smart too. He’s inherited a mess and it’s going to take time to clean up. He’ll keep adding pieces and they’ll be fine. 2020 will be rough but we’re headed in the right direction.
sergefunction
“Al Avila” and “Strategy” are enemies of each other.
BobSacamano
It’s not his fault the media insists on plastering Boyd’s name every day. He tells you what he’s doing, “not shopping Boyd, unless a big offer comes through” that is the strategy. How that is “downplayed” is an enigma
JoeBrady
It’s probably the people that think that doing nothing with Boyd is not really a strategy.
BobSacamano
Doing nothing? WTH is he supposed to do after witnessing first hand what Boyd is capable of? He has 3 years of control, and randomly NOW is the time to do something? Why? That makes about as much sense as extending him.
Disco Dave
yeah boyyyyd
Mrtwotone
It still blows my mind that gausman got a 9 millions guarantee
slider32
There is plenty of room for Andujar and Urshela on the Yanks, Cashman knows he can split them at third and use Andujar at DH with Stanton in LF. They are pretty much set except I would sign Will Harris to take Betances spot.
ntorsky
What’s with the Urshela hype? He did the exact same thing in Cleveland and was trash for 4 more years until coming to NY last year. I don’t see a world in which Gio’s 2019 production gets repeated, Andujar seems to me to be the better bet by most accounts.
fitsiqis65
Truth
top jimmy
Yanks should trade Urshela while his stock is high. That swing is ugly. No way he repeats the career season he just had.
Bigcat14
With a 26 man roster I would try a 6 man rotation and strech the starting pitchers a bit to 7-8 innings or around 110-120 pitches like the 90’s . A pitcher would have then 26 to 27 starts you could get 190+ innings (in theory) the extra day of rest should keep them ready and the bullpen also is going to be less taxed too.
soxfan4381
The Yankees fans make me laugh. Signing Cole isn’t winning you a world series. The Yankees don’t have a championship make-up. That Cole signing is going to be the worst contract ever. To give a pitcher 9 years is stupidity at its finest. I thought they were dumb for taking Stantons contract, but a pitcher for 9 years hahaha. I can’t wait to see how much they pay Judge. Yankees will be screwed for a long time.
king beas
I’m really hoping for a judge mega extension because name one position player taller than 6 foot 6 past the age of 33-34 that’s still elite?? Oh none and yet they’ll be paying two of them major $$$
Eatdust666
Typical Sox fan that’s more obsessed with the Yankees than his own team. Oh and by the way, the Sox aren’t going anywhere in 2020.