2:10pm: Both teams have announced the deal, which is now official. The Indians have designated infielder Mike Freeman for assignment in order to clear a spot on the 40-man roster.
11:07 am: The Rangers have acquired right-hander Corey Kluber from the Indians, reports Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic (via Twitter). The deal is agreed to, pending physicals of the players involved, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (via Twitter). In return, Indians will receive right-handed reliever Emmanuel Clase and outfielder Delino DeShields, Jr. (Twitter links via Rosenthal and Levi Weaver of The Athletic). Texas will assume the entirety of Kluber’s $17.5MM obligation, according to Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News (via Twitter), though the Rangers will also receive $500K in cash considerations to cover half of the $1MM assignment bonus owed to Kluber.
A fractured forearm and an oblique strain combined to limit Kluber to just seven underwhelming starts in 2019, but he was one of the sport’s true aces over the preceding half-decade. From 2014-18, Kluber averaged over 200 innings per season with a 2.85 ERA and a nearly-identical 2.84 FIP. Among qualified starters, only Clayton Kershaw, Jacob deGrom and Max Scherzer bested that ERA, while only Chris Sale, Kershaw and Scherzer topped Kluber’s combination of strikeouts (28.5%) and walks (5.2%). Kluber was twice rewarded for his dominance with the AL Cy Young Award in 2014 and 2017.
Of course, it’s anyone’s guess whether the 33-year-old Kluber will recapture that level of dominance. Kluber’s initial injury was certainly fluky, as he was struck by a 102 MPH line drive off the bat of Miami’s Brian Anderson. Prior to the injury, though, he hadn’t quite resembled his previous self. Kluber’s strikeout rate was down to just 22.6% in 2019, while his walk rate spiked to 8.9%. His fastball velocity, per Brooks Baseball, sat at a career-low 92.43 MPH, although pitchers tend to pick up velocity as they distance themselves from spring training, a luxury Kluber was never afforded. Kluber’s velocity has trended down consistently in recent years, though, and he now sits about two ticks slower than he did at his 2014 peak.
Kluber will make $17.5MM next season, and he is under control through 2021 via an $18MM team option (or a $1MM buyout). As Rosenthal notes (via Twitter), Kluber will receive a $1MM assignment bonus once the trade is finalized.
This move continues an offseason trend for the Rangers, who have strengthened their starting rotation considerably. Kluber joins Kyle Gibson and Jordan Lyles (both of whom were brought in via free agency) to complement the strong duo of Lance Lynn and Mike Minor. Having missed out on their top free agent target, Anthony Rendon, the Rangers were reportedly pivoting to the trade market to address gaps on the roster.
Clase was among a handful of Rangers generating interest league-wide. The 21-year-old made his MLB debut in 2019 and turned in 23.1 innings of 2.31 ERA ball. A fastball-slider reliever, Clase averaged an astounding 99.44 MPH on his heater, topping out at 102.02 MPH. He didn’t generate as many strikeouts in his brief MLB time (22.3%) as one may expect given that velocity, but he did induce ground balls on upwards of 60% of balls in play against him. He’s also thrown a high volume of strikes the past few seasons, culminating in a 6.4% walk rate at the highest level. He comes with six seasons of team control and figures to profile as a long-term bullpen asset for manager Terry Francona.
DeShields, meanwhile, may be the more recognizable name in the return, even if he’s likely the secondary piece from Cleveland’s perspective. The 27-year-old got the lion’s share of playing time in center field for Texas last season, although longstanding offensive woes continued to plague him. Over 408 plate appearances, he slashed just .249/.325/.347 (72 wRC+). That is right in line with his career output at the dish across five seasons in Arlington.
To DeShields’ credit, he has been one of the game’s best baserunners since making his MLB debut. The former Rule V pick has also drastically improved defensively. After getting off to a shaky start in 2016, the speedster has rated as a quality center fielder over the past three seasons. Per Statcast, DeShields has combined to be worth 29 outs above average since the start of 2017. His 12 outs above average last season placed him in the 95th percentile of MLB outfielders.
DeShields comes with two additional seasons of arbitration control. He’s projected for an eminently-affordable $2.4MM this offseason, of no small import to a Cleveland organization that has bandied about its most expensive players in trade. Indeed, today’s deal was certainly motivated by some desire on the Indians’ part to clear money from their books. Cleveland now projects for just under $91MM in 2020 payroll, per Roster Resource.
It will be fascinating to see if this move serves as a precursor to further sell-offs in Cleveland. Francisco Lindor has already been bounced around in trade rumors. He would no doubt be a prize of a rival’s offseason if they were able to pry him away. On the other hand, subtracting Kluber’s salary could alleviate any pressure the Indians feel to move Lindor and his projected $16.7MM arbitration salary. Today’s move to bring in two MLB-ready pieces at least suggests Cleveland hopes to make another run at a winnable AL Central in 2020.
redsoxfan2
They got their headliner
StandUpGuy
Wow. Big trade. Another pitcher the Angels needed but won’t be able to get. Too bad he sucks now though.
DTD_ATL
You can’t take such a small sample size and injury filled year and say he sucks, asinine.
StandUpGuy
Actually,history shows the trade might work out. It happened around the same time their stadium caught on fire. Anyone remember when the Braves traded for Fred McGriff and their stadium caught on fire? That trade worked out pretty well for Atlanta.
macstruts
I’m not really sure how an sane person can rip a team for not adding a player and rip another team for signing him.
Bottom like, that guy isn’t sane.
tycobb016
Nice acquisition by Texas
StandUpGuy
I was ripping both of them for wanting him. O didn’t rip the Angels for not adding him. All I pointed out was that he was another starter unavailable to the Angels when the Angels need starting pitching.
BigFred
Can’t argue with that sound logic.
Sheep8
Might not be sane, but he’s a stand up guy! Ha!
Wolverines2
No intelligence requirements to post on this site…
rct
You don’t need to explain what you were doing, StandUpGuy. We all already know: being a clown.
jkoms57
Being a crybaby
joparx
This trade makes me angry with my team, I would’ve been so happy to move a similar package for Kluber
ctyank7
Perhaps the problem for Anaheim was the lack of quality prospects beyond Adell. Without the right chips to send to Cleveland, they could not land Kluber.
macstruts
And just yesterday you were ripping the Angels for possibly adding Kluber.
You’re the the antithesis of a stand up guy.
StandUpGuy
The Angels just need starting pitching period. If I ripped on the Angels for trying to get him and I said that he sucks in this comment that’s pretty consistent. The main reason I ripped on the Angels was for going after hitting and passing up all these opportunities to get pitching (like Cole, Strasburg and Wheeler) when pitching is what they really needed.
tycobb016
StandUpGuy- if you have to explain it, it’s not funny.
whynot 2
Passing up on Cole, Strasburg and Wheeler… maybe the other guy was correct and you are indeed insane. The Angels didn’t pass on them, the team was not even on their radar. Cole wanted the max money available , which he got. Strasburg wanted max money, he got that, plus he stayed in a place where he will be worshiped for the next couple of years. Wheeler passed on more money to stay close to the NJ area. The Angels has no shot with any of those three
Natergater77
I think he’s saying they should have given the Rendon $$ to those guys.
Problem is those guys didn’t want the money from the Angels. The Angels are like the Rangers, no premier pitcher wants to go there and the n they have money to spend and so they do it on bats
Geno55
I think a lot of teams let wheeler slip through their fingers including the angels but other teams did he was a bargain for any team
MoRivera 1999
StandUpGuy also predicted the Yanks would’t get Cole. Said the owners knew it, the fans knew it, even DOGS knew it. Well, WRONG!. Time to eat crow, StandUpGuy. Eat it!
CKinSTL
Kluber has dominated for about 6 years.. he had a bad start to ’19 (he has had similar stretches in the past) and he had a fluke injury. Probably a little early to write him off.
deweybelongsinthehall
Take the Rangers out of the Price rumors. Angels might be forced to get a big pitcher. MB?
CursedRangers
They gave up a crap underperforming CF that they claimed off of waivers and a pitcher they got for a backup catcher. Seems like a brilliant trade to me.
PinstripedPride
Bumgarner just became a Diamondback. Pitching options are wearing really thing now. Ryu is almost certain to be the next to go.
Ryu, Keuchel, or a trade for David Price: not bad options but they’re not what once was available
wordonthestreet
He pitched 35 innings last year so how does that prove he sucks?
Then you cry that the Angels should have gotten him?
Well which is it StandUpGuy? Make up your mind. Stand up and take a position as straddling both ends shows you are far from a stand up guy.
Bernie's Dander
Underwhelming return for Kluber. Cleveland is throwing in the towel!
Coal tender
Klase may be the difference maker in this trade for the Indians. Has an electric arm, but it is disturbing he cannot rack up the SO’s for someone who can throw @99 mph…he is a fly ball hurler. DeShields has struggled at the plate for some time now, but there is no mistaking his speed on the base paths . If Kluber can bounce back from his disastrous 2019 campaign GM Daniels may be able to salvage his job in 2020.
Avory
It says right in the freakin’ article above that Clase is a groundball pitcher (60%) NOT a fly ball pitcher and that he has incredible control (6.4% walk rate). He doesn’t have to strike out guys much more than one per inning with those kinds of stats to be elite, c’mon.
deweybelongsinthehall
Coal and Avery. The article says he’s 21. Maybe he just needs a good pitching coach. Mariano was not “Mariano” before he learned the cutter. You can’t teach a pitch how to throw that fast. They might see something in him and if they trade Lindor and rebuild, he could be that key weapon reliever in two or three years.
VegasSDfan
No return at all, Kluber has lost his value
sufferforsnakes
Klase is a fly ball hurler? Did you bother to read what was written above? Here, let me help…..
“He didn’t generate as many strikeouts in his brief MLB time (22.3%) as one may expect given that velocity, but he did induce ground balls on upwards of 60% of balls in play against him.”
Saint Chris
I remember a couple of years ago idiots were saying the same thing about Verlander after a couple of injury issues temporarily hurt his performance. Kluber, if healthy, will once again be a Cy Young contender next year.
fox471 Dave
Geez, Stand up. You are a bit of an idiot. Nothing pleases you.
Ironman_4life
How many cy youngs you have?
larry48
Angels 3rd best offer again.
elscorchot
Why would they need a pitcher that “sucks”? No logic.
Francys01
This is very surprising for me. Never saw it coming. I want to know the prospects that Cleveland is getting in this trade. I like that Kluber will be with the Rangers.
RedFeather
Wow peanuts.. great job Cardinals. You guys are a joke.
Payne Train
Red feather, you sound like an intelligent guy.
RedFeather
You sound like a comedian.
Francys01
RedFeather, what can I tell you? Try to find something important to say. Believe me you need it or watch a movie. If you need attention, then you must find someone else.
RedFeather
Huh?
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
Yeah, “A gOoD oLd FaShIoNeD mOvIe WiTh a FrIeNd!!1!”
chicagofan1978
Maybe Cleveland didn’t want to trade with St. Louis
SalaryCapMyth
I think Train and Francis didnt get enough hugs from their parents. Seriously, why pile on this comment? I really can’t believe an ACTUAL contender didnt beat this offer either.
RedFeather
Thank you.. considering STL is looking at pitching options and have a surplus of OF they should have at least humored the fans with an offer.
todd76
Looks like a fire sale by the Indians.
PinstripedPride
Can’t say I even came close to thinking it would be the Rangers that got him. Loads of curveballs thrown me this winter
dirtholio
More pitchers will be interested in Texas going forward. No state tax and a done to protect from the heat. Nice perks to prolong a career.
phenomenalajs
A bit surprised they are the ones getting him.
jkoms57
Lot of money lot of questions. Big upside.
Since the Angels are the only team anyone cares about this offseason, I will say that Bundy is a smarter move than Kluber
Padres458
Lol. That will never be true.
nmendoza7
Drop the crack pipe
Yeetus
Return doesn’t seem to big, Cubs should have got him. But they’re “broke”
Hiro
Wow
DarkSide830
well then that was sudden
walls17
What the heck is Cleveland doing?
Texas sneakily has one of the best rotations in baseball
kc38
The bigger question is what the heck is Texas doing? They are no where near contending
macstruts
KC. Who won the World Series last year? A Wild Card team.
So basically Texas is competing with perhaps five or six other teams for two wild card spots.
ANY TEAM THAT IS TRYING IS A CONTENDING TEAM. Why do people keep missing this? If Lynn and Minor pitch like they did last year and Kluber is anything like he was in 2018, they are a contending team.
soxsam32
Provided they can get some offensive threats around Gallo. I don’t think that lineup can get it done as it stands. Need an impact bat, which is why I’m confused that they’re out on Donaldson
juanpursuit
Agree
kc38
I’m not missing this. They have a very hit or miss offense and in the playoffs with good pitching would be obliterated and if you expect Lynn and minor to be as good this year as last year you’re crazy.
dynamite drop in monty
I like plantains
sacball
Gibson and Kluber are not going to make up the 20 game gap between the A’s and Rangers…
macstruts
Any team who makes the playoffs can win. KC won because of a bullpen. The Nationals won because of their starting staff. There are many ways to win in October. The Giants won because of MadBum.
The easiest way is to get hot.
slider32
No, but you add the loss of Cole and it;s a lot closer for the Rangers and Angels.
Ralphie
A lot of ifs in that statement.
5toolMVP
A’s and Astros*
BTW, the 20 game gap is a myth, they all start 0-0 in late March. The 2019 season is NOT 2020 and doesn’t carry over.
macstruts
The A’s are replacing their entire pitching staff. I have no idea why so many people think everything will break right for the A’s.
Maybe it will. But their Puk, Manea and Luzardo were all hurt last year and pitched about 50 innings combined.
Bassit and Fiers combined FIP was about 4.5.
And of course you have the PED user who was only good the year he was caught taking PEDs.
Sure, things could go very well again for the A’s. But why people think they are a slam dunk is beyond me.
Rudy Zolteck
The Nats were the best team in baseball since late May. Stop writing them off as a “WC team” like they just fiddled around and got lucky.
JWAR
You might want to be careful mentioning Gallo. As an Indians fan I know we are hurting for a right fielder and that’s exactly what Gallo is. Texas HAD to have a big league need for the Indians for the tribe to give up Kluber.
kc38
My point, the nationals in the second half had one of the best offenses along with their incredible rotation, the Rangers have none of that, don’t have a good bullpen, don’t have a good offense and their rotation is an island of misfit toys and an injury prone ace. Ain’t gonna get you fat
bluejay1
Calling the Nats purely a WC team is a little bit of a simplification.
They had I believe the best record in the MLB after Memorial Day and were incredibly top-heavy with their talent; if they had even average players to complete the team (I.e. if they had even an average pen instead of Trevor Rosenthal’s near infinite ERA for them, among other complete anchors they had in their pen blowing game after game particularly early in the season) they wouldn’t have started 19-31 and probably would’ve had one of the best records in the MLB. They managed to get their depth to regress to the mean by mid-season, performed much better, and then avoided using their depth as much as possible in the post season (how many innings weren’t pitched by Scherzer, Stras, Corbin, Hudson, Doolittle, or Sanchez? Maybe 5 across the entire playoffs?)
I think last season’s Nats are very unique in that regard compared to really any team we’ve seen in the past decade. Certainly don’t think the Rangers are there with their top-line talent.
anthonyd4412
KC new ballpark is more conducive to pitchers than the old one. I’d expect them to be better
DarkSide830
its not that simple. if your goal is to be simply a contender each year that’s all you will be. might make a lot of wild cards, but your WS chances are small unless you make a big deadline move. The Nats didnt pay Corbin to be a wild card team last year, they just struggled in the first half.
macstruts
I’m not writing them off as a Wild Card team, but they were a wild card team. Look at the overall point. Wild Card teams can win the world series even though they are not among the top teams in baseball.
Natergater77
off-season isn’t over. If they bring back Chirinos it will help.
Maybe this move pushes ownership to give Donaldson the years
Daynlokki
Well a healthy Gallo will help too.
natsgm
This move makes not going harder for Rendon all the more confusing.
macstruts
Since I had Rendon and Turner on my stat league team, I’m well aware of how good the Nationals were. I picked them to be the NL Representative in the World Series.
But my point still stands. All teams are shooting for is to get on the dance floor. That’s contending.
Strike Four
Texas’s bullpen, offense and defense are terrible across the board. Kyle Gibson and Jordan Lyles are NOT good pitchers.
They are NOT a contender by any stretch of the imagination. Kluber represents a bounce back candidate who can bring in more than he took away in a deadline trade to a contender.
antibelt
A’s have some pretty good bats to keep them competitive. However, you are right that the pitching staff has some question marks. Still a lot left in the offseason that can happen.
jkoms57
Not of they “hit” instead of “miss” coms playoffs
Sky14
Well sure, if everything goes right for almost any team they are contenders.
stymeedone
@ natsgm
The Rangers just added $18MM to this years payroll. That makes $18MM less that they have to spend. Does this make you less confused?
texaspr
Astros cant cheat anymore. They will be good but not as good as the last 3 seasons.
SheaGoodbye
More importantly, this is baseball, not basketball. In basketball, you have to be one of the best teams in the playoffs to have any shot at winning a championship. In baseball, while being one of the best teams would obviously help your chances of winning a World Series, merely getting into the playoffs can go a long way. Sometimes getting hot at the right time is all that it takes.
ekrog
Getting caught didn’t stop the Patriots
Oxford Karma
He had one time when he was hurt. In 2018 he was a top 20 pitcher. There are no bad words new year deals is an expression for a reason.
RockHard
Armchair GM knows the future too..
wattyman69
Haha nice on kc38
stratcrowder
Cleveland will do alright by this deal. He became a risk and remained an asset for trade return. Smart move.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Kluge, Lynn and Minor doesn’t scream one of the best.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Kluber
texaspr
Lynn and Minor were 1 and 2 in WAR last season in the AL and now Kluber! That’s great
Oxford Karma
It doesn’t scream it, but the other two were great last year.
walls17
They are.
Randy_Watson
LMAO
5toolMVP
I’d bet $$$ Minor won’t repeat a 7WAR season…but Kluber might.
iml12
Dumping Mazara has already made them a better offense. If they add a bat they definitely have a chance at a wild card.
PMerkel
Would Mancini help the Rangers?
Coal tender
Based on what? They are gambling that Lyles, Gibson, and Kluber will solidify the starting rotation. At least it is a step in the right direction.
larry48
They just passed the Angels, angels best hope in now 4rh place in the division.
macstruts
Who knows what the Indians got in return? Eighteen point five million guaranteed for a pitcher who really didn’t pitch last year is a risk.
The Rangers have some vets on their staff who have been good. It’s an interesting staff.
debubba
I bet one of pieces is nick solak. They have a lot of young talent below AA…
macstruts
I would think they got more than Solak. He’s the 104th best prospect in baseball (fan graphs)
I’m sure the Angels were willing to give up Bradon Marsh (74th) and that wasn’t enough.
debubba
Yes, I agree. I said one of the pieces back. This also doesn’t stop them from still doing a trade with the Dodgers. Lux would play SS. I’ curious what other pieces they got from the rangers. I hope Odor is not one of them.
southbeachbully
@macstruts
Don’t put too much into prospect rankings.
macstruts
Well, don’t tell that to all those people picking the A’s. When it comes to minor league players, I don’t have all that much to go on. Prospect rankings are about it.
However, I don’t put too much on September numbers. Maybe next September with 28 men rosters they might be more meaningful.
5toolMVP
It was a non-displaced forearm fracture, the shoulder and elbow are fine and the bone was healing as good as expected. There is a bit of mystery but he’s probably the same all-star Kluber.
cb19
I would have loved the Jays to trade for Kluber depending on the price obviously, but the forearm fracture wouldn’t worry me. Pearson missed an entire year due to a forearm fracture and he absolutely killed it last year upon return.
theland44145
trading a player coming off an injury shortened season, who was only under control for two more years. And, cleveland has to find room for Civale in the rotation. Trade from strength
fletch
Think again you have Gibson.
Daniel Youngblood
Gibson is Texas’ No. 4 starter now. No. 5 if Lyles repeats his 2019 results.
This is a damn good rotation.
Willy Mays
Could you explain that comment with any facts at all.Last year there best starting era was 3.59 Mike Minor. Next was Lance Lynn 3.67 After that nobody who could be called a good or even mediocre starter so even adding Kluber and hoping he is what he used to be explain how they have one of the best rotations in baseball. I guess its easy to say something when you don’t have to bother with those pesky things called facts
Yankeedynasty
Lance Lynn had the second-most fWAR in baseball last year, so there’s your facts for ya
Rudy Zolteck
Throwing 7+ innings a game because your manager doesn’t trust the pen will do that for you.
RockHard
Idiot..
justsomeguy
Maybe Cleveland knows something that we don’t. Can’t imagine Kluber being the same after that last injury, so Cleveland selling “high” now before we actually know if Kluber will return healthy and effective
stymeedone
@ Justsomeguy
If this was selling “high”, Kluber didn’t have much value. One prospect and a replacement level OF is not all that much for a potential Ace.
Strike Four
Shame the rest of their roster is terrible
JohhnyBets67
Oh sad boy strike four is upset that the Rangers have a better rotation and ownership that will invest. Oh no you poor little guy!
Jaysthoughts
Precisely. More importantly they have built their rotation out of Nothing. Not giving up major pieces or lucrative long term deals. A big market club wisely buidling like a small market. Lynn mid price free agent
Gibson same
Getting Kluber for under 20 mil for 2 yrs for a reliever and defensive oriented speedster is great!
And of course minor for nothing.
Lynn is blah but has some potential that can be unlocked in the right spot. Smart team building is fun to me
sherlock_
Dang AL West gonna be lit in 2020!
jjd002
The Rangers are still not contenders. The Astros are still way ahead, with the A’s still pretty far ahead of the rest of the division. Will be a fun race to 3rd place though.
Jerryred
why u say that the rangers probly got the best rotation and I dont think they are done signing players
cubsfanbudman1908
The Astros are one garbage can bang away from being irrelevant again.
stratcrowder
And that’s why you’re a Cubs fan.
camdenyards46
This is such a reach at a trash can joke lol
steven st croix
The Cubs are a billy goat from being irrelevant again
Randy_Watson
Wow that was lame LMAO
DarkSide830
whatever the punishment is, it wolnt have a huge impact on 2020’s team. fans in Houston and otherwise would be in open revolt if the punishment included anything like some are suggesting. (ie playoff ban, automatic losses) bet its just draft picks and fines, maybe a suspension of the GM or a transaction freeze at worse.
macstruts
I don’t know. Players who went to the plate with patches letting them know what pitch is coming are going to be suspended.
They wont all be suspended at the same time, but they are going to be suspended. At least I hope so.
B-Minus21
Lol why even play games? You got it all figured out.
dynamite drop in monty
Lol heck yeah
jjd002
Am I incorrect? Obviously a few major injuries to the Astros and A’s would change that, but as it stands now my comment is spot on.
B-Minus21
Yeah man. Which team are you GM for?
R.D.
As things stand any regression from Verlander or injuries to Springer/correa/Brantley now hurt a whole lot more without cole.
stymeedone
Will the Astros hitters be able to repeat when they don’t know the pitch that is coming?
24TheKid
Respect.
cubshoops5
Wow so much for the rangers fans crying foul
tigersfan1320
Wow, wonder who Texas is sending.
MC Tim C
Winn, Huff and a PTBNL
usafaaron
Where are you seeing this?
Bledcam
Lol no chance
thatdudetg
Lmao, you’re dreaming
Dotnet22
Delino and Clase
oz10
Clase and DeShields. Not sure what else if anything.
debubba
There has got to be more than this. Deshields and the 30th ranked prospect (albeit his numbers look really good). If this is it, what we’re the Angels trying to give them? Jesus.
steelerbravenation
Angels let that slip thru their fingers
macstruts
steelerbravenation, who did they give up? You can’t say anyone slipped through anyone’s fingers unless you know who was given up.
KeyWestBraves
Angels are not involved in this deal, so the Angels did let Kluber slip thru their fingers, assuming that the addition of Kluber would have helped them..
macstruts
You can’t say anyone slipped through anyone’s fingers until you know what was given up.
KeyWestBraves
You’re a moron. It doesn’t matter who the Rangers give up for Kluber. If the Angels wanted/needed him and didn’t get him, then he slipped thru their fingers.
solaris602
It had to come down to who was sending the better return to CLE. I never even heard speculation on who the Angels would trade for Kluber.
5toolMVP
Not if the ask was too high. For all we know Cleveland wanted Adell and Canning or Adell and 1-2 others…that’s a definite NO.
macstruts
So everyone you don’t get, regardless of cost, slips through your fingers. I guess Rendon slipped through the Braves fingers. If someone else signs Donaldson, I guess the Braves let Donaldson slip through their fingers. I guess the Rangers are letting Donaldson slip through their fingers.
Who is being a moron?
steelerbravenation
Absolutely Donaldson would slip thru the Braves fingers if he signs for something the Braves could afford to give him. We are a win now team so we got to make win now moves. I feel like Kluber slipped thru our fingers too.
You mean to tell me the Angels couldn’t put together a better package than that for a SP they absolutely need ???
That was a straight salary dump by the Indians
macstruts
I respect the opinion.
I feel Wheeler, Lindbloom and Hamels all slipped through the Angels fingers. The last thing the Angels need is to spend 18 million bucks on a pitcher coming off a major arm injury who may not pitch 100 innings.
As an Angel fan, I would have taken that gamble with Kluber. But it wasn’t quite a salary dump. i do not want to take that gamble with Price. I don’t know what Cleveland wanted. But lets say it was Fletcher and Middleton. I would not have made that trade. I would not have made any trade that would have included one of the Angels top three RPs. Robles, Buttrey or Middleton. I would not have made any trade that included Fletcher or Marsh.
jimthegoat
Angels could have beaten this without giving up Adell or Canning.
steelerbravenation
I can say anything I want
The Angels are a win now team and they missed out on Cole. They need starting pitching and imo
He was the best option for them for what is left for them to choose from.
Who are the Angels getting ???
Overpay for MadBum ???
I feel like Atlanta missed out as well would have rather had him than Hamels.
macstruts
Your opinion is Kluber is best option available. Maybe. I’d rather have MadBum or Ryu and they don’t require giving up players.
Who knows Kluber better than Callaway? Eppler said the cost of Kluber was too high. There is a good chance they’d know. if I don’t know what that cost was, how can I have an opinion about such a trade?
Kluber is 33.7 years old coming off a major injury to his pitching arm. I don’t think he slipped through their fingers.
steelerbravenation
MadBum & Ryu will cost in years
Kluber is signed for 2 yrs and he has been a dominate pitcher and his injury was not structural
He will be fine by ST
He is fine now
Angels were stupid
Braves too but at least we got Hamels
So go overpay in years for MadBum & or Ryu
Used to that cause that’s the Angels way see Hamilton & Pujols
My bad you just don’t know any better
macstruts
I think you’re reasonable. I talked about this in another post to you.
The last thing the Angels need is instability. Kluber high upside, high downside.
halo6219
As much as they need pitching the price was too high for 2 trade of Kluber…
thatdudetg
Are you seeing something I’m not? As far as I know, we don’t know what Texas gave up.
PMerkel
Deshields and Clase
Geno55
We don’t know who Cleveland was asking for since it was D. shields a day player and a prospect Makes me believe it could’ve been Fletcher Goodwin or Callaspo and a prospect anyways Billy Eppler said the price was too high
revolt1799
My goodness, now the rangers have a solid rotation… now get someone for 3rd and a bullpen arm
Bledcam
Please no Huff, please no Huff.
rangers1232
Right! Whenever we have good prospects, they ejther get traded, or are underdeveloped.
Big Green Egg
Didn’t see that one coming
GeauxRangers
Oh my
thebluemeanie
What is the Tribe getting in return?
ForestCobraAL
$18.5 million in Dolan’s – the owner – bank account.
solaris602
You got that right. Dolan has a bumper sticker on his Mercedes that says, “Winning is OK, but I’d rather be rebuilding tbh ”
Avory
Fifth best record in baseball over the last seven years, and the only small market team in the bunch. Record high team payrolls during that time. You have no earthly idea what you’re talking about. But then, your team has likely been tire-tracked by the “cheapskate” Tribe many times in the last decade.
delete
I’m sorry but the Indians are not a small market team. They are #2 in TV viewership behind the Yankees and the TV deals are the number one thing impacting team budgets.
themaven
They are number 2 in viewership because no one goes to the games.They won 93 games last season and attendance went down 10%
The Indians are locked into a local TV deal that is commensurate with being the 19th largest TV market in the country,so yes they are a small market team.
The Indians gross revenues are between 260 and 280 million dollars(the first luxury tax threshold is 207 million or 75%of their gross revenue).They are a small market team.
Avory
I’m sorry, but this is the most ridiculous comment I’ve read in awhile. Do you honestly believe TV ratings count actual numbers of people?!? Cleveland may be second to NY in watching baseball, but a 25 rating in Cleveland is what, a 100,00o households? In NY it would be in the millions! Cleveland has one one of the smallest markets in baseball–heck, it’s the smallest market with the three major sports–and our attendance revenue and TV contract revenue is very poor as a result. For you to think otherwise makes me speechless. I simply can’t believe anyone would think this. Astounding, really. (Directed to beisbolista above, not TheMaven, who clearly gets it.)
JohhnyBets67
You mean beisbolista doesn’t get it? Shocking!
gson
Guys the Rangers have that the Indians could use:
Josh Jung..
Jose’ LeClerc..
Sammy Huff..
Hans Crouse..
Cole Winn..
Should be one of these guys?
24TheKid
Im guessing none of the above.
usafaaron
Then I guess the trade is a lie
24TheKid
Well, there’s probably more but if it’s just Deshields and Clase then…
24TheKid
I guess it turns out that this trade is a lie.
coolerking17
I’m guessing at least 2 of those names
thatdudetg
You’re dreaming
dynamite drop in monty
My favorite Blondie track
tsc32
Lol that was never going to happen. Rangers have spent 3 years building up a farm. They wouldn’t have been involved if it would cost one of those guys
5toolMVP
I’d guess at least 1 (maybe 2) of those names and probably 1-2 others not on that list.
Kdag23
As a Twins fan, I approve of this trade.
depressedtribefan
go away lol :*(
Kdag23
I think most Twins fans have mad respect for the Tribe. I honestly think they have something up their sleeve – they always do. Last year people thought you guys were dead and buried and despite all the injuries along with the Bauer debacle you guys still almost managed to pull it off. Plus you guys have Tito and can actually compete against the Yankees. Yes, they always beat us down but you guys had a winning record head to head against them. I sure don’t see you guys throwing in the towel.
Avory
Thanks for your comment. It’s irritating to have others misperceive the Tribe’s moves as cost-cutting rather than what it is: a reallocation of scarce resources. As a low revenue club, we have to be pretty nimble to compete, and open to unconventional approaches to building (and sustaining) winning teams. I appreciate your recognition of that.
I’m very curious to see what the Twins do. I regard them as a sterner challenge over the next 5-7 years than the White Sox. I think their management and development team is more sound than Chicago and I fear Minnesota will be more prudent going forward. The enemy of teams like the Tribe isn’t $$$$–ludicrous free agent signings merely make me laugh–but smarts. If a team is smart AND wisely spends the dollars it has, that will beat us in the long run because we can’t keep up resource-wise.
Twins are exceedingly dangerous and if they stick to their guns and don’t mortgage their future, that future is bright. And yes, eventually they’ll get that playoff monkey off their backs and when they do–like the Nationals did–the sky’s the limit.
Vandals Took The Handles
@ Avory;
You’re one of the few guys on here that gets it.
1. The Indians saved about $15m after the salaries they took on. They’ll need some money in reserve to add at the trading deadline. Easy to add a rental to plug a hole at half his seasons salary. They’ve been doing that for years now.
2. The Bullpen.
Hand cost them badly last year, blowing games from mid-August until the last few weeks of the season when the Indians were out of it….due in large part to his performance. Along with the Astros and Rays, the Indians are the best in MLB at developing pitchers. They cleared out some roster spots dumping Nick Goody and others. Now they go to work developing James Karinchak and Emmanuel Clase – young, strong arms that can bolster the back of the bullpen this year, and readying for Hand’s departure after the season, if not sooner.
3. If DeShields can hit half decently he can platoon in CF, freeing Oscar Mercado to move to a corner spot – he simply is not good enough to be a CF at this point. Take the pressure off Mercado defensively, let him concentrate on hitting. And Tito will use DeShileds speed at clutch times in games.
4. The Indians Rebuild-On-The-Fly is about complete. They continue to get younger. With Allen and Moss they have 7 young starters going into ST, and now 2 100-mph pitchers going into the bullpen……which doesn’t count the pitchers in the high minors. Young, controllable pitchers are gold in today’s market – if they need it, the Indians can easily get a bat in trade for an arm.
Extremely impressive FO and entire Baseball Ops Dept. One of the best – if not THE best – in MLB.
depressedtribefan
my best friend is a twins fan. he was very happy last year.
I do agree with you though, I can’t be mad the last few years they’ve really bright in players to try and win and we haven’t done it.
and we pitched really well without kluber last year. I’m not too mad about this… it’s more of the Franky Lindor thing I’m worried about lol
Avory
@ Vandals
I nearly always see things the way you do–great comments above–but I really don’t see DeShields even making the club…and if he does, it’s as the 26th man not a starter. He’s not even as good as Greg Allen offensively, and I’m pretty sure Mercado can handle centerfield defensively. Heck, I’d rather have Zimmer in the 26th man role than DeShields. Zim’s an elite base stealer and can at least run into one now and again. I’m convinced the Rangers required us to take Delino just so they could shave $2.5 million off the Kluber salary obligations. I’m sure the Tribe have other corner OF plans rather than simply moving Mercado over for the offensively-challenged Deshields (OPS+ of 72!)
Enthusiastically agree with everything else you said, though!
JohhnyBets67
The Rangers could’ve non tendered Deshields. Don’t be a fool. Cleveland wants him for whatever reason
ForestCobraAL
Twins fans enjoyed that beat down from the Yankees and are looking forward to another one in 2020.
bush1
Well done Angels
pstef123
If the Indians were demanding Jo Adell then, yes, we’ll done Angels.
twinsfan368
Yes!!! He doesn’t face the twins nearly as much now!
Jrmomo1000
That’s ok
afsooner02
Wonder how that new park is gonna treat pitchers….
depressedtribefan
welp… :*( here we go again
bryzzo_2016
Damn, I was convinced Lindor/Kluber we’re going to L.A. in a blockbuster centered around Lux and May. It’s getting pretty testy out here in L.A. the locals are sick of being the bridesmaid
osfandan
Aww, poor Dodgers fans. Annual WS contenders and temperatures in the 70s year round. Cry me a river.
Metsfan9
Blockbuster alert! I reckon JP Martinez could be heading back in return
benfiorica
Was not expecting that at all. If the Rangers improve their bullpen and sign a slugger or two they could be wild card contenders for sure. AL West looking like the NL East of last offseason.
KnicksFanCavsFan
I bet Nick Solak is included.
jimmy bussit
Giving up Solak only to keep Odor would be the absolute worst ever for Texas.
dynamite drop in monty
Solak was the worst Praetor of the Romulan Empire. Bad deals!
crazy4cleveland
Ahhh, Cleveland baseball.
jimmy bussit
He’s a Texas kid. Makes perfect sense. He’s also due for a bounce back.
throwinched10
I bet the Rangers sign Castellanos next.
oz10
Where are the JD haters?
GothamNeedsMe
Price to the Angels now.
thetech
Exactly what I though. As a Red Sox fan that makes me very happy!
Geno55
Only if the Red Sox eat the majority David price contract
steven st croix
The battle for third place in the west is going to be fun
99socalfrc
Kluber is a great roll of the dice IMO. He is just a few subpar outings and a line drive removed from Cy young level.
And if he doesn’t come back the same you’re not out hundreds of millions $$$
Coltsox
As a White Sox fan, we thank you.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
He’s gonna get lit up at Globe Life Field.
Bledcam
Weird, you’ve seen a game played in the new ballpark? I’m curious how you know how pitchers will do in the new ballpark.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
If ita anything like the old one that was a hitters paradise. it’s the great american ballpark of the AL
MMOPoster
Did not know someone knew how a stadium still under construction is going to play. Impressive.
tsc32
Rangers have a new ballpark.
slider32
Wow, the Rangers are a few position players away from being a contender. The Angels and White Sox are going to have to sign a good pitcher soon and lose their stigma of not being able to sign one.
goldenmisfit
Kluber when healthy is amazing. But that acquisition is more for a team to put them over the top not a team like the Rangers. They were 78-84 last season this acquisition probably makes them 85-77 atbest and it is going to take 95 wins at least to make the wildcard in the American League.
throwinched10
They will probably get a bat or two. My guess is Castellanos.
RoyalsFanAmongWolves
woohoo! no more kluber in AL central. royals might win 5 games in 2020 against the indians!
ctguy
Nice job by Texas. They will definitely can compete with Houston and Oakland now. AL West will be an interesting division.
johndietz
I’m glad the Angels bowed out. We can’t go after uncertain pitchers. We have plenty of our own questionable health. We should start away from Ryu too. Since we NEED pitching, it has to be Dallas and Madison. At least we know they are 100% healthy.
TheMick7
If they get Dallas and MadBum, they’ve done alright, imo. They just need to get some reliable pitching to start building up their rotation.
tsc32
You’re glad the Angels bowed out on getting a SP with multiple CY awards for some bubblegum and a hot dog? That makes total sense.
Caleb Clark
Thats a nice trio of Kluber, Minor, and Lynn. Next stop is K. Bryant
Kdag23
Don’t forget about Gibson.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Rangers dont have any prospects the Cubs would want. They need pitching. As much as the Rangers do. The Rangers pitching prospects are trash.
And even if they were great with a endless ceiling. Do you really think Jon Daniels is going to give up 4 of his best pitching prospects?
thatdudetg
That’s not true. Hans Crouse and Cole Winn are legit. Texas won’t give em’ up for two years of Bryant tho
tsc32
Rangers have two top SP prospects and 3 SP prospects that are already ready for the majors and have already gotten their feet wet. It’s impressive to see how much you comment about Texas despite how little you know about the organization.
RockHard
You are an idiot.. who knows zero about rangers baseball..
ohiodevil 2
Kluber was one of my favorites, but agree it was time to move on and get something of value in return. Indians are still deep in the rotation. Good luck Kluber in Texas!
bobtillman
Yep. Makes sense for the Tribe; undoubtedly, they’ll get at least one prime prospect, maybe more. And they scout pretty well.
Makes sense for Rangers too. If you haven’t been paying attention, Houston lost their best pitcher, and JV and Zack ain’t exactly spring chickens. As someone mentioned, lots of stuff broke well for A’s last year; no guarantee it happens again. With both those teams, they’re relying on prospect pitchers, iffy in the best of circumstances.
Good deal. At least w/o knowing the return. But I doubt that will change things much.
Kelly Wunsch N' Munch
Think again. What in the world are the Indians doing!?
Le Grande Orangerie
Kluber has two years of relatively expensive team control left, after a -.0.4 WAR 2019. He’ll be 35 the second year of team control
Indian Fans: We better get a top 100 prospect back!
Rangers Fans: We better not have given up much for Kluber.
Blue Jays Fans: OH! OH! WE’VE HEARD OF HIM!!! WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN UP EVERYTHING FOR HIM!! OH! OH! BUT SOMETHING SOMETHING. SHAPIRO AND ATKINS! OH! OH!
kripes-brewers
Sneaky good trade, worth whatever they gave up. That’s huge talent they just picked up – very few aces out there and you just have to have one to be really competitive
Bledcam
I’m losing my mind waiting to find out who we gave up.
dynamite drop in monty
Probably Pete O’Brien
Dotnet22
Delink and Clase
Dotnet22
Delino*
johndietz
Everyone knows it was his RIGHT arm that was broken, right? So happy Angels passed.
Terie54
Yeah that’s fine though, no structural damage to his elbow or shoulder, one the bone heals he will be fine
ctguy
He will be just fine. Rangers got themselves a very nice pickup.
TheMick7
Wow, good job, Rangers! You’ve already surpassed the Angels’ offseason pitching acquisition and taken another prospective pitcher off the board. I think this could turn out very well for them – worth the risk, imo.
FloridaMan1988
His best days are behind him especially in Texas.
Ralphie
Just like Verlander’s days were behind him right? Stop with this nonsense. I’m not even a rangers fan but that’s a great pick up for them. The guy was hurt, watch him get back to form this season.
hiflew
You don’t even know how the new stadium is going to play yet. They left TBAA and are moving into new digs. It could easily play as a pitcher’s park next year or at least less of a hitter’s paradise than they left.
dynamite drop in monty
We got Vikram!
throwinched10
DYNAMITE DROP IN MONTY!!!!
User 589131137
No one can assess this trade until we find out what’s returning…
Dotnet22
Deshields jr and Clase
iml12
That can’t be it
Gambit1193
DDS Jr and a Relief pitcher??? Wth. Fleece
lowtalker1
Curious to how the padres couldn’t beat this
bryzzo_2016
I was thinking the same thing.
hiflew
Yeah, Margot and just about any reliever should be better than that package. Oh well, Padres gonna Padres. Have fun watching Tatis turn into Khalil Greene over the next couple of years.
Marcus was already taken
How is he going to turn into Greene?
hurricanewar23
Delino and clase heading to Cleveland
DarkSide830
man…i like Delino and Clase, dont get me wrong, but the Indians really did just trade for a bunch of spare parts unless theres a big prospect or two in here as well.
Gambit1193
If those 2 are the only pieces LOOOOOOOOOL
throwinched10
Deshields plays CF. Mercado moves to LF. My guess is they use some of the $18 million saved to get a bat first OF like Castellanos.
BobSacamano
Idk if the Tribe can get Nick for $18M in this market.
steelerbravenation
Are you kidding me AA shoulda had him. Don’t get me wrong I wasn’t mad bout Hamels but you don’t let Kluber get away with that kinda return.
Dotnet22
The worst division in baseball just got worse. AL Central is weak AF.
bryzzo_2016
This
Mr.MikeyPants
He ain’t what he was…
Good grab, but I’m sure it won’t pan out.
At least not the expectations VS. Outcome.
Hope I’m wrong, this dude is awesome, my gut says he won’t even come close to mirroring his old self. Angel’s Fan BTW. Glad we didnt grab him, the cost in terms of talent going away in a trade like this, would have hurt long term, you guys will prolly feel it later too… good luck
steelerbravenation
Clase a RP & Desheilds a back up CF is a return that is going to hurt a long time ???
Are you serious Angels should been all over him.
3/4 of MLB shoulda beat this return. Even if Kluber is a number 3 he is better than what most teams got. His injury was not structural.
Unbelievable
JPopp9
You did see what was given up right? Dont think that will be felt at any point
ctguy
Texas basically got for Kluber for next to nothing. They won’t be missing DeShields or Clase anytime soon. Surprising that the Angels weren’t able to offer better than that.
JPopp9
Saw somewhere that there may be more pieces. Thise 2 seem like next to nothing, injury risk or not.
macstruts
Wow, that’s what it looks like. I wonder what the Indians were asking for?
padnastikador
Clase is an absolute stud. Throws 100 with ease. He’s going to be dominant in this league for a long time. That being said, I’m shocked Cleveland didn’t get more from Texas.
macstruts
Thanks for the information. I don’t know much about the Rangers. Some, but not a lot.
For example, I wouldn’t expect fans of the 29 other teams to know much about Keynan Middleton.
padnastikador
I know a little about Middleton. Good looking young pitcher from what I’ve seen. Haven’t seen him much lately though. Injured?
jakethesnizake
Was this just a salary dump?! They got a mediocre backup OF and a minors reliever??? That can’t be all…
Polish Hammer
I agree. Clase is a nice piece but DeShields? They didn’t need a CF and he’s nothing special. I don’t get this swap at all. Yeah Klubot got hurt last year, but he’s a beast when healthy and isn’t going to cost you what Cole just signed for. Buy low and sell high, not when his value is low and there’s no real need to dump him.
mattblaze13
The Rangers gave up what now?? (Cough) ahh nothing!!!!!!
jkurk_22
Noooo. AA I’ve been begging you to make this trade for over a year now. Kluber was the only pitcher that made sense to add to our rotation at this point and would make the difference as a ace we need in the postseason. The correct answer was trade for Kluber and resign Donaldson. Please at least do that now
bravesfan
Telling me the Braves couldn’t or didn’t want to pull off a deal like this? This is a dirt cheap deal for the rangers… I’d gladly off something similar or better for him. What a joke.
bkbk
The only explanation was there was something unclear on his medicals that devalued you him for a return like this. The fact that the Angels “were out” even before a trade was consumated with another team lends to the theory that there is something truly uncertain about his value moving forward.
TheMick7
Brother, I’m not so sure. It seems like the Angels have been out of everything before anything is done. They’ve missed too many opportunities for this to be about future performance, imo. As I’ve said before, Eppler seems a step behind when any pitching transaction occurs, which leads one to believe the Angels bow out for other reasons, i.e., Rendon and Trout’s salary commitments. But, then again, it’s all circumstantial and I could be wrong.
DTD_ATL
So basically, Cleveland just dumped his salary for a couple of nobodies
Avory
Calling somebody a nobody just because you’re too lazy to examine who we got is your problem. You probably said, “Who’s this nobody we got for Ryan Ludwick?” back in the day.
{look it up, you don’t even remember}
angt222
IMO, this will be a steal for the Rangers especially for the return CLE got back..feels like more of a salary dump move for CLE.
HalosHeavenJJ
Return is much lighter than expected and something the Angels could have beaten, I’d think.
Phiilies2020
Great deal for both sides, in my opinion. Delino Deshields brings an element of speed to add to their OF mix and Clase could very well be one of the better relievers in the AL next year with the stuff he possesses. Texas missed on an opportunity to add a big bag but they seem to be making up for it with a potentially outstanding rotation.
angt222
Without DeShields in CF, I think TEX goes after Starling Marte. Especially since they didn’t weaken their farm system with what they gave to CLE for Kluber.
Dalton1017
i think they would rather stick with Danny Santana
ForestCobraAL
Delino DeShields age 26 season: 72 OPS+
The final piece the Indians have been searching for to bring that trophy home.
Avory
Tribe was FORCED to take DeShields to shave off $2.5 million of Texas’s salary obligations.
This deal was all about Clase, period. Can’t believe you have a hard time understanding that.
User 589131137
You don’t salary dump a Cy Young award winner for a f*** 4th outfielder and reliever.
debubba
I don’t know, not thinking the same way you are about this trade. They have a CF, not as good of defense as deshields, but hits better and run very well. He can’t platoon with luplow… and if Reyes isn’t up to par in right, he is NOT the guys you want out there. He reminds me of another Gregg Allen.
JFactor
Clase and LeClerc the main pieces going back? Maybe?
BigFred
Must be more to this trade than those two minor pieces.
james5150
it doesn’t matter who Texas gets they just don’t know how to win
tgallagher
Worth the risk for the Rangers, Indian fans should be revolting.
Vin Scully
Kluber will get lit up in that launching pad. But it is okay because the Rangers only gave up table scraps for him.
JPopp9
Try and keep up with current events. New stadium next year.
Bledcam
You realize Texas is playing in a new stadium now right? A stadium no one has played in yet. It’s suppose to be friendlier to pitchers without taking too much air out of the ball.
Bledcam
Some are saying Texas is sending more to Cleveland than what has leaked so far. Could be another piece or two coming Cleveland’s way.
TheMick7
It should be or that’s a steal for TX.
DarkSide830
it will. no way thats all
wordonthestreet
Thats all folks!
seamaholic 2
Bunch of GM’s out there thinking, wtf? I coulda beat that return with one hand tied behind my back. Bet the league knows something about Kluber that the public doesn’t.
bradthebluefish
Right!? Why weren’t the Yankees, Braves, Astros? and other teams in on this?
Dalton1017
Clase will be missed. Bit still a fantastic trade for the Rangers. Happy to see DeShields go. terrible offensive player and now i am guessing one of our best players and biggest surprises last year has a starting possistion.
daniel_meraz
who would that be?
5toolMVP
Gotta say I think the Rangers did great in this trade. Deshields jr and clase? Wow!
Eppler you couldn’t beat that? Ffs man.
bobtillman
Clase is a quality “get”. And the Tribe was pretty much up against what they could afford, payroll wise. Now they can go shopping.
ForestCobraAL
Dolan is going to go shopping for a new jet plane.
John Middleton and Bob Nutting are going with him.
User 589131137
GTFOH
beyou02215
Where were the Padres on this? Just don’t get their game plan.
bleacherbum
I really don’t know. An easy comp would be Margot plus Bednar. Most Padre fans would have loved that being the price for 2 years of Kluber.
Magnum
Preller missed out on this one.
csspackler
I’m thinking there’s a payroll ceiling now, and he’s reached it.
Dumping Myers would have made it possible.
padnastikador
The Padres Were In On This. Preller Traded Clase to Texas for catcher Brett Nicholas. Thanks AJ!
csspackler
Tell me. Did you know who Clase was before they traded him for Nicholas?
In fact, did you know Nicholas?
Thanks, dude.
padnastikador
I always knew Clase was going to be a flamethrower. It was common knowledge. I surprised AJ didn’t know.
wordonthestreet
M-o-n-e-y. Trade includes Rangers paying the entire contract so Indians get salary relief which was the entire point of the trade
brioche
Is everyone in the AL Central rebuilding?
ForestCobraAL
Perpetually.
I think all the owners in the AL Central division are inventors of perpetual motion machines.
southbeachbully
There has to be more going back to Cleveland than Deshields Jr and Clase. I’m going to have a hearty laugh if it is after so many wanted first borns for Kluber.
5toolMVP
Yeah I’m guessing the Indians fan base can’t be happy with this. It’s definitely not the top 1-2 team prospects that were always mentioned as being the price for Kluber.
not even clase, errr close!
southbeachbully
Haha x 50. Feels good.
Wth are the Indians doing? I absolutely believe that you can’t value Kluber as if 2019 didn’t happen. But still. A guy with a sub 700 OPS and a relief pitcher? What team couldn’t beat that offer?
bradthebluefish
Indians got back essentially nothing trade for two-time CYA pitcher. Surprised there wasn’t a better offer to be had.
bkbk
New news is saying there is another player
steelerbravenation
Ok I am over the a Braves not getting him & extremely happy the Philly didn’t get him either.
Angels GM is terrible they actually need him
Padres too I would say
jints1
Good move for the Tribe. 17.5 for a 33 year old with issues.Let Texas have him.
bradthebluefish
Kluber’s issues were mostly due to no fault of his own. Like getting a 102MPH ball hit back to him.
seamaholic 2
He stunk before he got hurt. And wasn’t very good the 2nd half of 2018 either. There’s a reason no one beat that offer.
99socalfrc
After June 20, 2018 he had 5 shutout outings of 7 innings or more. He had 6 additional quality starts.
I don’t think you know what “not very good” means.
RockHard
Owned…
southbeachbully
@jints1
No. Stupid move. The Indians gambled thinking Kluber had way too much value to just let him walk so they picked up his $18 mil option. They felt that other teams would think he’s worth his 2020 salary. So they take the risk and then settle for a very underwhelming return. I think they misjudged the situation. Clase might be a solid reliever but cmon. He and Deshields JR is it?
BobSacamano
“Good move tribe?” Good move tribe?! Hahaha! “let Texas have him” hahah! like he was a problem??? This 2x cy young winner is getting paid almost half of his worth!
Texassooner
Texas will now trade a SP for a 3B.
bradthebluefish
No other players involved!? Talk about a steal!
Jrmomo1000
Money for Ozuna Cleveland
CKinSTL
Why? They got DeShields… Haha.
Zerbs63
Wow Delino DeShields for a Cy Young pitcher, is Fred Claire somehow involved?
seamaholic 2
Clase is really good. Yeah he’s a reliever, and the return remains ridiculous. But he’s good.
RockHard
He was a helium guy who started last year in single A.. the rangers likely traded him at his peak value.. and there are rumors the only reason Texas was even willing to trade him is bc he is headcase.. this trade is an A+++ for Texas your just to ignorant to realize it..
RockHard
*You’re.. clase was just had for a AAAA catcher.. Texas turned a AAAA catcher into a 2 time Cy Young winner in less than 2 years.. magic..
99socalfrc
Angels and Padres should both fire their GM’s right now. Pathetic that Texas was the winner with that return.
Mr.Ward14
Eppler is horrible. I though Dipoto was the worst, but Eppler is slowly creeping up as the worst GM.
This is what I was afraid of. They’d flop on Cole, sign another big bat that Arte wanted, and dumpster dive for pitching then delude their fans into thinking they have a contender.
99socalfrc
I’m so tired of these BS spewing front offices. Trying to make it sound like every ask is Mackenzie Gore or Jo Adell. Then the trade is made for peanuts. Some of these GM’s need to grow a pair.
allweatherfan
It’s all about the money. I assume others weren’t willing to pay the full 17.5m and give up prospects. Cleveland did get a 21 year old with a triple digit arm and those are still highly prized. DeShields seems like a throw in.
User 589131137
A straight salary dump. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that you know the maggot Dolan’s aren’t going to use the money to improve the team. It’s going right into their bank accounts. Absolutely f******** pathetic.
Polish Hammer
Agree it was a salary dump, but you must realize it’s not money coming back that could be put “right into their banks accounts”, it’s just not money coming out of those accounts.
shortytallz
Lindor is next. Total rebuild
Avory
Yeah, “total rebuild” for a team favored to win its division. Where do you people come from?
mcdusty49
Ok Dodgers pivot to a package deal for Thor, Lowrie and Familia
NewYorkSoxFan
Wow. Steal for Texas. On behalf of all Tribe fans, let’s hope the price is a bit higher for Lindor.
bestno5
Garbage…..
Emerson83
The return is too light. Why not hold on to him and let him recover some value before trading him? The price that Texas paid is less than what you would give up for typical Kluber as a two month rental.. maybe he didn’t want to be in Cleveland anymore and forced his way out, but that doesn’t seem like his personality
Emerson83
Every team in baseball would be after Kluber if that was all it would take to get him
Avory
Um…every team in baseball knew he was available. Are you saying they dozed through this auction? C’mon, evidently all Kluber was worth was the next Mariano Rivera, that’s just the way it is.
RockHard
The next greatest reliever of all time.. lol.. hes throws hard so he must be…he was in single A struggling with his command until 6 months ago.. don’t be surprised if this dude turns into ain’t shi*.. relievers are fickle like that..
ForestCobraAL
Explain how Kluber would “force his way out.”
Don’t skimp on the details.
Roll
freeze his foot … call his boss a racial slur … complain his hat didnt fit right … etc etc
Emerson83
I guess you’re right, that’s more of an NFL thing
RockHard
Haha!! Got em
dobsonel
Not much of a return. I remember when Yankee fans wanted Kline’s, Yankee haters kept saying it would take at least Glyber plus prospects. Turns out it would have taken far less.
ctguy
I don’t believe some other team that needs pitching couldn’t offer a better package than what Texas gave
Polish Hammer
Kline? Steve Kline?
partyatnapolis
absolutely horrible return. i get that the kid has a huge sinker, but damn you have to get more. too many 4th outfielders already on this team.
Polish Hammer
Agreed 100%
CKinSTL
Yeah, I’m not sure what DeShields does for you that you don’t already have with Zimmer, Allen, and Naquin..
Clase is clearly the headliner but even if he ends up as a really good back-end guy in the bullpen, it still seems very light.
Avory
@party
Uh, Clase doesn’t have a sinker, he has a 102 mph fastball and cutter. Deshields is immaterial. Why people even talk about him is laughable…he likely won’t even make the team.
RockHard
It’s a cutter
whyhayzee
So he got clobbered by the fake ball and mlb became Kluberless.
Good job mlb. Nothing wrong with the fake ball. Nothing at all.
Idiots.
TradeAcuna
Yet the Braves are sitting there thinking their rotation after Soroka and Hamels is good. Please don’t get attached to Fried and trade him for Bryant.
Nuke LaLoosh
Desheilds and clase a bit underwhelming.
AzMike
Can someone do a wellness check on Eppler? I’m guessing they may find he’s fallen and he can’t get up
macstruts
Here is the problem with Kluber and the Angels. The Angels can’t depend on him for innings. The Angels absolutely need a pitcher who will likely pitch 170+ innings. If Ryu was more of a sure thing, he’d be an Angel today. If Keuchel was better, he’d be an Angel. MadBum want’s to pitch for the NL.
Plus, the Angels had no relievers they could afford to give up.
CKinSTL
Why would you say Kluber can’t provide innings? He pitched 200+ innings from 2014-2018. Last year he missed a majority of the season after breaking his arm on a come-backer.. it’s not like he had elbow/shoulder issues.
caldo19
Kluber is a product of Coppell HS smack in the middle of the DFW metroplex. A homecoming of sorts. That can’t hurt his chances of bouncing back from a rough 2019.
Strike Four
Texas’s offense, defense and bullpen are absolutely terrible. Having 3 legit SPs does not mean you are going to contend, period.
thatdudetg
The off-season isn’t over, period.
Dalton1017
bullpen is actually not terrible. we also have really good relief prospects coming this year. Demarcus Evans is the next Neftali for the Rangers
daniel_meraz
offense is not all that terrible either
bobtillman
That’s ALL the Rangers got for Deshields????????????????
AzMike
jorge78
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!
Eatdust666
Comment of the day.
cwsOverhaul
Indians FO is pretty astute. They probably have sound reason to believe dumping the $ and getting a valuable 21yo BP arm is as good a return as they’ll see for him rather than cross fingers for a rebound.
CKinSTL
Yeah, I trashed the Gomes deal last year.. so I try not to be as quick to judge after that.
Avory
And you haven’t even seen Daniel Johnson as the major league level yet. The Gomes deal was brilliant.
Just_a_thought
I wish I could post the video of me eating my gym socks, I thought Kluber would return a much more inspiring couple players. Now, I’ll pivot to this being one of the worst trades in a very long time. Heck, maybe the Yankees could get Lindor for Frazier and Adams. Yankees fans would be especially happy since Andujar stays. Yikes
TheMick7
Dude, Yankees should give up Frazier, Andujar, Florian, Schmidt and Devi for Lindor. It’s a rental, so hopefully that would do it. Yankees are going to need a ss for the future – switch-hitting Lindor would do it!
stevecohenMVP
lol no shot. Convo starts and ends with Gleyber
TheMick7
Yeah that would never happen. A rental for Gleyber Torres? That’s a non-starter. Given the decision they just made, I think in his last year it is quite possible they would take a load of good prospects to rebuild for him, UNLESS, they are in the race. I was also told that Cole was no doubt going to the Angels. And last year their numbers were quite similar with control being an insurmountable advantage for Torres.
stevecohenMVP
lol the indians laugh at that one. Lindor is a generational talent not even in his prime yet. Itll take a kings ransom for anyone to get him. The convo starts off with Gleyber.
TheMick7
You lol a lot; probably not the rebuilding Indians though. “No shot” – not too confident in your absolutes. But, who knows maybe you’re the GM undercover and I’m totally wrong.
damon389
I have to imagine that a lot of teams were reticent to take on the size of Kluber’s contract, and that a lot of teams felt that the risk outweighed the reward.
No doubt that it’s a gamble, but Texas has the money and needs to be a bit more competitive with a new ballpark coming.
While Texas and the Halos have improved there’s still a gulf between them and OAK/HOU in the AL West.
mack423
No idea why the Cardinals weren’t in on this. Surely Junior Fernandez and someone like Lane Thomas would have been enough.
allweatherfan
Are you willing to give up those guys as well as 17.5m for a pitcher coming off a broken pitching arm who appeared to be declining before the injuring?
hiflew
Yes, because a declining Cy Young winner is still probably higher than two random prospects that can easily be replaced at the next international signing or draft.
RockHard
Bingo!
mack423
Gladly. It would be selling high on Thomas (whose MLB cup of coffee looks a lot more impressive than his minor league track record), and only losing Fernandez would hurt a little. And Fernandez is maybe 80% the pitcher Clase is.
yoyo137
Why the hell did the Angels not go for him at that extremely low price. Yeah go sign Bumgarner for $20m+ per year. Way better idea
timewalk42
Wow!!!!’ Kluber for a bag of half eaten peanuts
freemamg
I’m sure Kluber coming off an injury, age (33) and salary all played a factor in a “light return”, which is also my opinion. Indians love having young, inexpensive and contract controlled players. Their current rotation is filled with just that….Bieber, Civale, Plesac and Plutko. The team has shown it can develop pitching and the next wave is already here—I’m okay letting go of Kluber for this fact. Question remains—does shedding $17.5 mil open the door for retaining Lindor?
ASapsFables
White Sox looking more and more like a 2020 contender in the AL Central provided they finish their wish list this offseason of adding a quality starting pitcher or two, a solid arm for the bullpen along with one more bat to share RF and/or DH. The Indians are continuing to sell off with the Twins also looking to add more pitching.
oebrr00
The only way this trade makes any sense for the Indians is if Kluber is still injured and unable to bounce back. Otherwise the Rangers stole an ace while the Angels and everyone else needing pitching sat on the sidelines.
Avory
Nonsense. Wait till you see the back end of the Tribe bullpen next year. You’ll say, “Who the heck is that guy?” And someone will say that’s who they got for Kluber. Just wait.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
As a White Sox fan, this is great news, though if I knew Cleveland was practically giving him away, I’d have wanted the Sox to make an offer.
stevecohenMVP
no one got fleeced. Kluber was owed 17.5 mill and now texas has to pay it. Indians saved money and got 2 serviceable players. Not spectacular but serviceable. It seems lindor is next. Maybe. I say Lindor goes to Dodgers or some random team
Gambit1193
Cleveland did in fact get FLEECED. capital FLEECED
Dennid
Scares me to think what they would accept for Lindor.
Avory
Get real.
adc6r
I think Lindor is more likely to go at the trade deadline IF Cleveland is not still in it or if they are paying like kaka
Avory
Hahahahahaha…the Indians “selling off”? Well, they’ve been “selling off” for the last seven years then, over which time they’ve had the 5th best record in the sport. Good grief, when are people going to get this is what you have to do in a small market to remain competitive. The Indians are the favorites again to win the division, people!
So hilarious how the Tribe is continually underestimated. Big names mean nothing. Big contracts mean nothing. Did you not see what the brilliant Tampa Rays did last year on a paltry budget? Wake up, people, and start recognizing the truly smart people in the game. Hint: the names aren’t Brian Cashman or Theo Epstein.
Avory
Wrong. Tribe got one bum that the Rangers made them take to offset some salary. The other guy, Clase, is a brilliant prospect with tremendous upside who the team controls for SIX YEARS.. That’s the kind of guy you target in a deal like this one and anyone who says Cleveland got fleeced doesn’t know how smartly they operate.
Of course there’s risk in this deal, but it’s evenly balanced, PLUS the Tribe gets back $15 million to spend elsewhere.
RockHard
Clase was a backend top 30 prospect in the rangers system. You are way over estimating him based on his first 20 professional innings. He’s just as likely to be a bust as he is to be what you hope he is..
Avory
Cody Allen went straight from A ball to the majors and never looked back.
This guy has more talent than Cody Allen. Sure there’s risk. You don’t think paying a 34 year old pitcher $17 million whose velocity has declined every year isn’t a risk.
I happen to think Clase is going to team with Karinchak to be a monster young set-up duo for the Tribe. I also think Kluber will give the Rangers 175 good but not dominating innings. I think everybody wins this one, but the risks are evenly balanced.
ullnvrknw
Kluber is 110% finished. 4.50-5.00 ERA pitcher the rest of the way
thatdudetg
You sound like a salty Angels fan
CKinSTL
Based on what info? 7 games pitched last season?
jdgoat
Cleveland could’ve just signed Will Harris and Cameron Maybin and saved their ace…
jorge78
They wanted to dump salary plus maybe they are not sure he will bounce back…..
hiflew
Not if they want to compete with Detroit and KC for 5th place.
Whodoirootfor
Still no playoffs
SupremeZeus
I can’t believe every other team with the slightest delusion of competing weren’t in on this. What a pathetic return. 2nd best pitcher in Indians history for scraps. Woof.
GoldenArm
Rangers gambled last year signing another injured pitcher,Shelby Miller. Kluber has a much better resume with 2 CY, but a broken forearm may spell the end of his ability to dominate like he did. The fact they gave up 2 disposable players is the only way this makes sense. Low risk, very high reward if he can somehow return to Ace-like CY contender. Rangers now have 4 Vets in the rotation. If they all have career years, they could get a Wild Card. If they all have down years, they lose 100 games.
Polish Hammer
Interesting notes from an article I just read:
“Until last season, when he was held to seven starts because of a broken right forearm, Kluber went 83-45 with a 2.81 ERA over a five year period. He pitched 1,104 1/3 innings, allowed 345 earned runs and struck out 1,288 batters.
In those five years, Kluber won two Cy Young awards, finished third twice and ninth once. “
And for that the Tribe gets a reliever and 4th OF, two of the easiest and cost efficient slots to fill. This trade is totally a salary dump, a pathetic one at that. At least when Cliff Lee and CC were dealt they each brought back a handful of very solid prospects that you had a chance of seeing a high impact from.
CKinSTL
It seems reasonable to me that other teams would be reluctant to deal controllable, MLB-ready talent for Kluber. What shocks me though is that the Indians were willing to trade him for this type of package. I thought they would just hang onto him, see if he re-established his value and then explore mid-season trade opportunities. It just seems like they sold low and when they picked up his option, they were committed to the idea of trading him.
Polish Hammer
Right, which is exactly why you buy low and sell high. Don’t move damaged goods unless the return is too good to be true. Start the season and let him show signs of his old self and then move him for a better package. Because to me this return is very underwhelming.
Begamin
Youre right, it is pathetic.
Whoever blindly defends FOs like CLE, PIT, or any other club that wont pony up to capitalize on their window to win it should learn from this trade. It simply just wasnt a good trade from the Indians side, even with Klubers price tag and the risk you run when he returns from his injury
Avory
@Polish Hammer, you are being ridiculous. From Marc Carig at the Athletic:
Emmanuel Clase is 21 years old, with a 101 mph cutter and good enough command to be stingy with walks despite his elite stuff. “He’s a freak,” said one AL executive. “Not sure anyone else really has his pitch.” Another rival exec called Clase “one of the most valuable relief assets in the game.” It is for this reason that Clase’s inclusion in the trade must be weighed properly. This guy is not just some reliever. He’s a back-end caliber arm who could contribute immediately, and for the next several years, he could be a very cheap but very impactful bullpen arm. So, the Indians didn’t just give away a two-time Cy Young Award winner in Corey Kluber.”
goldenmisfit
This is ridiculous. When the Yankees were talking to the Indians the Indians wanted Clint Frazier and Andujar. When the Dodgers talk to the Indians they wanted the Dodgers top two prospects but trade him to the Rangers for a single a prospect.
thatdudetg
It’s because even executives hates the Dodgers and Yankees.
Polish Hammer
Maybe because they were talking to them before his season ending injury had something to do with his value…
throwinched10
Indians now have the money to go after an impact hitter like Castellanos. With their pitching depth, they could afford to give up Kluber and still have a solid rotation. Clase will provide a solid late inning option to pair with Hand. I’m confused about the Deshields aspect though.
CKinSTL
Yeah, DeShields makes no sense to me at this point. I’d rather have Mike Freeman…
theloop
For just under 58M (collectively), it seems to be good value.
Kluber
Lynn
Minor
Lyles
Gibson
Allard
As a ‘champion’ point of reference, the Nationals pay up 100M for there 5 man rotation.
Also, Lynn or Minor now part of a deal to fill 3B hole?
No Soup For Yu!
That would defeat the purpose of acquiring Kluber. This is clearly a move that says the Rangers plan to contend with this starting staff in 2020 and 2021, after which the only pitchers you listed that will still be with Texas (barring trades) will be Gibson and Allard. Trading away Minor or Lynn will weaken what is now quietly one of the most consistent and one of the top rotations in the league. If I’m the Rangers, at this point I’d sign Castellanos to be an impact bat at RF/DH and fill 3B with a lesser trade or signing, or hope Santana can come close to replicating last year’s success and plug him at 3B.
DarkSide830
they could’ve saved themselves some trouble by not overpaying at least one of Lyles or Gibson.
imindless
Bad trade for cleveland. Trash 4th outfielder and a middling reliever. Gotta think dodgers or angels could have offered more. According to indians homers he was worth the whole farm but ended up dealing with the rangers who have one of the worst farms in majors. Good trade for rangers tho, now that rotation has its ace.
Avory
You think you or the Angels offered something better than the brilliant 21 year old Emmanuel Clase with the 100 mph cutter, miniscule walk rate, and who induces 60% groundballs? I really don’t think you did. You may think you did, but you didn’t. But you’ll remember Clase when you see him in the back end of our pen, that’s for sure.
driftcat28 2
cleveland got fleeced. Deshields is Billy Hamilton basically
Avory
Yeah, like that’s the guy they targeted. PUH-LEEZE.
Shoeless Joe's Diploma
Texas Ranger General Manager Daniels, is very creative and in a same sense, lucky too.
He likes to roll the dice… so far it’s gotten the club a shade below the .500 mark….
but Daniels is still rolling the dice for 2020.
An Interesting STAFF with the KLUBER trade… 7’s and 11’s.
Dennid
I wonder if the pending physicals include the Indians front office having their heads examined?
Avory
Another guy for whom “name players” are everything. {yawn}
{chuckle} Maybe the Tribe front office heads’ need to be examined for how in the world they can have the fifth best record in all of baseball for the last seven years on less than half the payroll of the big boys.
Probably only an IQ test would be required, though.
wrigley
Great deal for Rangers. With so many teams looking for pitching, I’d expect return to be MUCH higher. I don’t expect Lynn to repeat his numbers in 2020, but Rangers have a solid rotation. I don’t think they will go 4 years for Donaldson but expect they will sign Castellanos. They need a right handed power bat. They don’t have prospects to get Bryant. Maybe they take a flyer on M. Franco or deal for Andujar?
Dalton1017
C Trevino
1B Guzman
2B Odor
SS Andrus
3B Solak
LF Calhoun
CF Santana
RF Gallo
DH Choo
Not a terrible lineup. could improve but who couldnt…
SP Minor
SP Lynn
SP Kluber
SP Lynn
SP Gibson
RP
Jose LeClerc (fantastic. even in a down year)
Demarcus Evans (Filthy)
Jesse Chavez
Rafeal Montero (Looked great out of BP last year)
Hernandez ( looked good out of the bp)
preauto
You have 2 Lynns in your rotation. One should be Lyles.
imindless
Rotation is good but lineup is pretty weak. If they got rendon they would look a lot better
JPopp9
Add Chirinos in at C and Castellanos at 3B or 1B. Im assuming he could go back to 3B and 1B is prob ideal for him if he would do it. Do that and its not a half bad team. Good enough to maybe be in the WC hunt and make some moves at the deadline if need be to be a semi legit contender.
SFGiantsGallore
I seriously hope Clase doesn’t require Tommy John surgery for his explosive fastball.
R.D.
Cleveland has been very effective at developing pitchers, I bet Case is gonna be a hader/miller type and they know how to make it happen.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Gotta imagine they’re gonna trade Santana too, right?
kevnames42
Can you guys just use K/9 and BB/9 instead
Polish Hammer
Not sure why they extended the option and then dealt him for this measly return. They could’ve declined the option and then signed two roster fillers like they got back.
Avory
Absurd observation.
CKinSTL
Great trade for Texas. Kluber has a great work ethic and process that will make the entire pitching staff better.
I thought Cleveland was going to start the year with Kluber and see if he could re-establish his trade value before trading him. It’s hard to ignore Clase’s numbers but even if he develops into an elite bullpen arm, the return seems weak. It looks like the Indians were committed to trading Kluber when they picked up his option.
Not a fan of the trade.. but, hey, I thought the Gomes trade last year was bad – so what do I know?
bigbadjohnny
Rangers going for it in 2020…….need to trade for Bryant…..sign Castellanos…….and add one more starting pitcher…….like Keuschel.
DarkSide830
they already signed Lyles and Gibson. they have no place for another starter.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
I think we all agree that Dolan made this trade and not Antonetti.
How the Indians’ Front Office manages to keep their sanity working for Dolan is beyond me. Great Front Office, Horrendous Ownership.
Maybe this is why Huntington and Falvey and Levine and DePodesto bolted as soon as they possibly could.
Avory
You have no idea what you are talking about. This organization is one of the most admired in baseball and one reason is because we groom excellent management and give them the freedom to expand their responsibilities elsewhere. This is to the credit of ownership as it sets the tone. There never has been and never will be a great management without great ownership. To believe otherwise is ridiculous.
Scrap1ron
Talk about selling low. I can’t believe they wouldn’t hang on to Kluber and hope he recovers some value and then move him at the trade deadline. DeShields and a lottery ticket relief pitcher is a pathetic return.
Is this an indication that management believes Kluber won’t recover well and they’re getting whatever they can?
throwinched10
I think it’s realizing that they have the depth to trade Kluber and a good idea of the type of pitcher that they can develop Clase into.
DarkSide830
surprising Freeman was dfaed. figured he’d start for them at 2B next year.
Polish Hammer
Yes.
Avory
You both are kidding right? Freeman as starter? Man, you guys gotta get a clue, jeez.
He was a fantastic find last year and contributed mightily as a utility player, but a starter he is NOT.
Dock_Elvis
Surprised that no one had pried Kluber away of that’s the return.
User 589131137
Here’s hoping every player involved fails their f**** physical and this abomination is aborted.
jman117
Poor trade for Cleveland certainly. I understand Kluber’s value was low, but why not just hold onto him? They’ve already had salaries come off the books and the Bauer trade certainly helped. There is no reason to do essentially a salary dump. While his salary isn’t cheap, it’s absurd to give away an ace who is making half of what the new norm is for top pitcher salaries. He may not rebound to his career norms after an injury, but I’d rather take that chance then this return if I’m Cleveland.
Avory
Because Cleveland needed another big time young flamethrower at the back end of the bullpen. Teaming Clase with James Karinchak next year is going to make for a tremendous duo of set-up guys.
Man, a lot of people are going to be eating their words next year.
Boogaloo
When Kluber was rumored to be going to the Yankees for Andujar, German and Chad Green indian fans said they didn’t want that weak package and demanded Torres.
Mike Tauchman and Chad Green would of been better than this pathetic deal, lol.
They should of just released him
Polish Hammer
When was that offer on the table?
ctguy
It was rumored but never actually on the table. Indians fans wanted a package starting with Torres. Instead they got this deal…..
Polish Hammer
Yes, but WHEN?
Fire Jon Daniels
Hate to say it but I love this trade.
Polish Hammer
Must be a Rangers fan…
bighiggy
Wow, good deal for the rangers.cant believe the cardinals or other teams wouldnt have offered similar or better packages. As a cards fan I would have been ecstatic to get him for Harrison bader and our 30th prospect. I would have given Bader and a top 10 organization prospect. Wild more teams couldnt or wouldnt beat that
MN BenG
As a Twins fan I love this trade. Kluber has been among the games best SP. It helps the Twins Division title chances.
Texas has had a good offseason.
Avory
Wait till you see Clase on the mound late in games before you express such confidence. Remember, the Indians never had Kluber on the mound for a single inning as they erased an 11 game Twins lead last summer.
TheAdrianBeltre
Even before this trade, I was hoping that the Gibson and Lyles money would have gone toward Bumgarner or Keuchel. Now even more so.
yes
This is simply not believable. Got to be prospects involved.. Incomplete story.
Otherwise will go down as the worst trade in Cleveland Indians history… and that’s a lot of history.,
billysbballz
Wow and Indian fans were on here saying it would cost the Yankees 3 top prospects and Andujar
Lol
bradthebluefish
One of the most lopsided trades I’ve seen. All because the Indians “can’t afford” a reasonably priced Cy Young Award winning pitcher.
Avory
They wouldn’t have picked up his option if they couldn’t afford him, good grief.
Mollysdad
There are 28 other teams, not ONE of them could have offered more than that???? Wow! Something ain’t right here
desertbull
Look for the Rangers to be in on a Kris Bryant trade.
David Herrick
Leody Tavares, Hans Crouse, and Josh Jung should get it done. If not, add Danny Santana and the Cubs should take that offer.
dudeman40
Not for 2 years ( or maybe 1 ) of Bryant
David Herrick
If Bryant wins his grievance, the Cubs could conceivably get Josh Jung and maybe a little more.
If Bryant wins his grievance, I doubt he gets traded. The Cubs will simply offer a qualifying offer and take the draft pick.
JPopp9
The Cubs would have him 1st class on the next flight outta town before Rangers ownership could check JD in the the nut house.
charles stevens
More like Jung, Tavares, and whatever mediocre guy you like.
David Herrick
I think Leody Tavares, Hans Crouse, and Josh Jung is fair value, but Cubs might accept Tavares, Jung, and Winn.
I don’t Epstein will do this. It seems he’s signaling standing pat and doing nothing, continuing to sign cost-efficient pitching, which might work for the Cubs winning a lot of 7-6 games during the season but an early exit in the playoffs. But long-term, if they do not trade Bryant, there’s not way they can keep Bryant, Contreras, Rizzo and Baez..
desertbull
Obviously the word is out that Kluber is still hurting.
JFactor
I keep waiting for the other piece to drop that’s going back to Cleveland. Surely there is another major player going back….
SalaryCapMyth
This trade is insane. I can’t believe this is the best offer the Indians could get. Why not just keep him if that was the best offer?
Garbage like this is why I dont take the side in the money grab that is going on between players and owners. I’m on the side of the fans. This tsunami of money is because of the fans and Indian fans deserve better than this. They put their money into a team that refuses to even keep a payroll that pays a former Cy Young winner a modest salary.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Good trade for both clubs… for entirely different reasons. Indians get a powerful bullpen arm and shed salary and the Rangers get a high upside arm for their rotation.
Avory
That’s fair. Risks are evenly balanced.
charles stevens
Mike Minor and Cole Winn for Nolan Arrenado and Wade Davis
herecomdatboi
So weird. They literally almost gave him away.
Finlander
Count me as surprised, maybe not shocked. Maybe Cleveland was pessimistic about Kluber being able to recover enough for ST or 1st half of season. I’m also surprised they didn’t get a second baseman in the deal. Solak or Santana would have made sense in the trade. Not Odor…
Nice deal for Texas. Let’s see how Clase develops.
Goose
A lot of free agents and big deals for pitchers and we haven’t even got through the winter meetings.
Here is hoping the Sox can pull a similar deal with Price. Just to dump that contract would be a big, positive move.
DocBB
Really horrible trade by the Indians. I thought they were smarter than that.
basquiat
Where have you been since 2000?
Avory
They are smart. You’re not if you don’t wait to see how this plays out.
bigwestbaseball
Mike Freeman gets DFA this close to Christmas. It’s a business, not a sport. There are times I can not stand MLB.
Avory
So if they wait until the day AFTER Christmas, it’s OK? They need to wait on the trade until after Christmas so they don’t have to make this move?
Good grief.
ChurchesChickenFan
Are you telling me that the Padres were not offering a better package than this???
sufferforsnakes
I’m betting the Tribe has another deal in the works. Hmmm, could it possibly be one involving Hand?
Sad to see Kluber go, but glad to see he at least gets to go home to Texas.
EarlAverill21
As a realistic Indians fan, I was in favor of and expected to see Kluber dealt. However, I’m pretty shocked to see this little on the return. I really wonder what other teams actually thought of Kluber. He has been available for the better part of a calendar year and the Indians never had an offer that they were willing to pull the trigger on until now. I have a lot of confidence that the Indians can turn Clase into a top back of bullpen option. Deshields is a very puzzling acquisition and makes no sense on the roster.
Hard to walk with four balls
The Tigers tried to move Boyd who was cheap and under team control and the market is just not there, young and cheap talent is valued over past success.
jimthegoat
I like this one for the Rangers. Sure, they are paying for what Kluber has done rather than what he will do, but DeShields has a lifetime 76 OPS+ and has the same amount of club control as Kluber. And then Clase might be one of the most underrated relievers in the game, but still just a reliever.
wordonthestreet
Relievers count. That is why every trade deadline teams search for relief pitching!
BobSacamano
Sure they do. But, not for cy youngs that are paid $18m. And not for relief pitchers who have 22 innings of MLB under their belt.
Avory
You’re going to regret you rushed to judgment on this deal. Guys like Clase don’t grow on trees.
BobSacamano
Oh.. so Corey Kluber does? I’m not rushing to judgment. I’m just stressing how vital Corey kluber was to this team. He’s a huge reason why Minnesota was in the playoffs
TheMick7
I think it has been mentioned, but major props to the graphic artist atMLBTR changing the uniforms. Looks awesome!
fanofthegame
texas got a steal of a deal, and gave up nothing!
Avory
Delino Deshields is indeed nothing. Clase is a brilliant young pitcher with six years of control. That’s not “nothing.” If you think the Rangers gave him up lightly, you’d be wrong.
Sir Becks
Wtf.
Can anyone please tell me how this guy who was true ace before injury, is going to rangers for this , what the hell are all other teams doing.
I can think of 10 teams who are contender this year and need pitching, and he is going for de schield or wtf his name is.
Angels , Padres , Dodgers……
I’m stunned
Avory
Well then, that should just tell you what Kluber’s value was in the real world.
And how valued Emmanuel Clase is by the Indians. You should check him out before you say anything more.
DeShields is completely irrelevant to the equation except to save the Rangers a couple of million.
IloveMACfootball
Seems like a small return for the Indians. Not sure it was worth trading him. Maybe wait and gamble s little, until he’s pitching well in season, and get a bigger package. I don’t think it would have been that much of a gamble with his track record.
Rangers29
The indians wanted a salary dump, and they got it. If I were the indians, I hate to say it, but i’d trade lindor to the mets for Rosario, Alvarez, Peterson, Baty, and Davis. Cheap for the indians, it builds their farm, and you don’t trade him to the dodgers or yankees, and make a force to big to be reckoned with. For the mets you get lindor (the best SS in baseball), and you don’t trade away your pitching staff, or Mcneil and Alonso. Now the mets line-up is looking complete, and the Indians have a deeper farm for cheap.
JackStrawb
So… two years of Lindor, a 6 win SS, for about 70% of his FA AAV in arbitration–in return for 4 years of Rosario, a 2 win SS with a little upside, 4 years of born DH JD Davis, and 18 years of a midteens catching prospect (in a thin system), the limited but useful Peterson, and the untested but interesting Baty.
Hm.
Wrt the minor leaguers none of them are blue chippers, and Davis doesn’t make up for that. He was very lucky on balls he put in play–without that good fortune he’s just a platoon guy from the wrong side, one who you never want to put on defense. I think when you have Lindor to deal and the best player on the other side is Amed Rosario, you have to be getting real quality in the top minor leaguer on offer–it can’t just be ‘pretty good’ bits and pieces. The closest the Mets can come to real quality is Mauricio.
So… Rosario, Mauricio, Baty? Everyone else borders on fungible. And even Mauricio is just #98 on BA’s top 100 prospect list. Adding in a platoon player and the 500th best minor leaguer on top of that doesn’t really move the needle–and as unimpressive as Peterson is, if his ilk is necessary the Mets have to offer his comp among their position players. They can’t keep handing out useful arms as if they were dish candies.
JackStrawb
[whistles] The Rangers may end up with a fantastic rotation. Kluber from 2014-2018 was better than Jacob deGrom, and it wasn’t a close thing. If Kluber is healed, the Rangers got a fantastic starting pitcher in return for a decent reliever and someone who is no more than a fine 4th OFer who won’t embarrass you if he has to start in CF for a month.
Eatdust666
I’m giving the Rangers an A, because even if Kluber isn’t going to be the dominant pitcher that he was 2014-2018, they got someone who can be a good two or three for them, if not the ace. As for the Indians, I’m giving them a C and the reason why I gave them a C instead of a D is because they got a promising young flamethrower relief pitcher who averaged 99.2 miles per hour on his cutter (best in the majors) this year and will be one of the best relievers in the game for a long time and might even be their closer of the future.