4:16pm: The Orioles have announced the move. Their 40-man roster is down to 37 players.
3:41pm: Also going to the Orioles in the deal are right-handers Zach Peek, Kyle Bradish and Kyle Brnovich, Jeff Passan of ESPN.com reports (Twitter link).
3:06pm: The Angels have reached a deal to acquire right-hander Dylan Bundy from the Orioles, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports (via Twitter). Minor league right-hander Isaac Mattson is among the players headed back to the Orioles in the trade, which should be the first of several moves made to add to the Angels’ rotation this winter. Jon Meoli of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Orioles will acquire a total of four minor league pitchers in the deal (Twitter link).
Bundy, 27, was the fourth overall pick by the Orioles back in 2011 and was touted as one of the game’s premier pitching prospects before a slew of injuries slowed his path to the big leagues. Once heralded as a potential ace, he’s instead settled in as a back-of-the-rotation arm in Baltimore, although despite a loss of velocity on his formerly blazing heater, Bundy still creates some optimism that there could be more in the tank.
First and foremost, it should be noted that he’s largely distanced himself from his early-career injury troubles, making 89 starts across the past three seasons as the lone source of consistency in the Baltimore rotation. He’s averaged better than a strikeout per inning over the past two seasons as well, and in 2019 posted a career-high 12.9 percent swinging-strike rate and 35.7 percent opponents’ chase rate on pitches outside the strike zone.
Bundy averages just 91.2 mph on his fastball at this point, but his ability to miss bats is undeniable. Drilling down a bit deeper, the spin rate on Bundy’s fastball ranked in the 95th percentile of MLB hurlers back in 2017 and has fallen in the 86th percentile in each of the past two seasons. His slider has generated whiffs at a near-25 percent clip over the past three seasons as well.
All of that said, Bundy’s bottom-line results simply haven’t been that inspiring since establishing himself as a rotation regular in Baltimore. He’s totaled 503 innings dating back to 2017 but pitched to a lowly 4.83 ERA and 4.76 FIP in that time. Home runs have been a particular problem for Bundy, who served up a league-high 41 long balls in 2018.
Bundy did work to counteract that in 2019, throwing fewer four-seamers and more changeups. The resulting 41.5 percent ground-ball rate was the highest of his career, and if he can continue to induce grounders on a more regular basis, he should be aided by an improved infield defense in Anaheim, where Andrelton Simmons and David Fletcher both grade as standouts with the glove. Simply moving away from Camden Yards and the many hitter-friendly parks the AL East has to offer could also shave a few home runs off his total moving forward as well.
From a contractual standpoint, there’s plenty to like about Bundy. He’ll be eligible for arbitration both this winter and next before reaching the open market upon completion of the 2021 season, and he’s projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn an affordable $5.7MM salary for the upcoming 2020 season.
The Angels, perhaps more than any team in baseball, have been decimated by injuries in recent years, so Bundy’s average of 29.7 starts over the past three seasons alone surely holds appeal to the Halos. He’ll slot into a rotation mix that features a returning Shohei Ohtani (who should be recovered from 2018 Tommy John surgery), Andrew Heaney and youngsters like Griffin Canning, Patrick Sandoval, Jaime Barria and Jose Suarez.
Of course, the Angels are also known to be in the hunt for much bigger fish in free agency this winter, with Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg both rumored to be of interest to GM Billy Eppler and his staff. Other names on the market include Madison Bumgarner, Hyun-Jin Ryu and Dallas Keuchel, and it’d be a rather notable surprise if the Angels didn’t add at least one high-end arm to join Bundy in the updated rotation — be it via free agency or via trade. Given Bundy’s relatively low salary, there’s ample financial room for the Angels to do just that; they’re currently projected to come in around $150MM in 2020 payroll, and their luxury tax considerations are only a bit north of that mark.
Turning to the Orioles’ return, the 24-year-old Mattson, 24 will slot into the upper levels of the Baltimore farm system. He’s not a high-end prospect and wasn’t considered to be among the 30 best minor leaguers in the Angels’ system by either MLB.com or FanGraphs, but he enjoyed a strong 2019 season. A 19th-round pick in 2017, Matttson soared through the Angels’ system with 73 1/3 innings of 2.33 ERA ball and reached Triple-A late in the year. He posted a gaudy 13.5 K/9 mark against 3.3 BB/9 out of the bullpen and went on to post even better numbers in the Arizona Fall League; in 10 2/3 innings of relief in the AFL, Mattson allowed two earned runs (1.69 ERA) on nine hits and three walks with 12 strikeouts. He’s generated average or better ground-ball numbers throughout his minor league tenure and should be a near-term option for the ’pen in Baltimore.
Bradish turned 23 in September and spent the season with the Angels’ Class-A Advanced affiliate after being selected in the fourth round of the 2018 draft. He logged a 4.28 ERA, 10.7 K/9 and 4.7 BB/9 while running up a 43.9 percent ground-ball rate in 101 innings. MLB.com ranked him 21st among Angels prospects, praising his four-pitch mix and deceptive delivery but noting that said delivery also leads to control issues.
Both Peek (sixth round) and Brnovich (eighth round) were college arms drafted by the Angels this summer. However, neither pitched following the draft, as the Angels shut both down per an organizational policy for college arms (as noted by MLB.com’s Joe Trezza, on Twitter). Baseball America ranked Brnovich 107th in the draft class and Peek 193rd, while MLB.com ranked both just inside the top 200 (Peek 178th, Brnovich 185th).
The subtraction of Bundy leaves what already looked to be perhaps the worst rotation in baseball in even more grisly shape, although the Baltimore organization has made it abundantly clear that winning games in 2020 isn’t a priority. To the contrary — the Orioles are quite likely gunning for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2021 draft as part of what looks to be an Astros-esque rebuild under second-year GM Mike Elias (who was hired out of the Houston organization). The next several seasons won’t be pretty for Orioles fans, and there’s no guarantee that they’ll come out on top of this rebuild like the Astros and Cubs did, but their aim to do so is readily evident.
walls17
Good move
dimitrios in la
Huh? What do we know about it really?
walls17
he’s got good pitches, he desperately needs a move out of the AL East. Halos get a nice pitcher with upside for a low cost. Shouldn’t be their biggest SP move of the offseason though, if it is their biggest SP move then it’s not good.
myaccount
Low cost? 4 pitching prospects is too many for Bundy and Mattson is very underrated.
GoAwayRod
Just wait… this is going to be one of the steals of the off-season. Now that he’s out of Baltimore, he’s going to start pitching with some purpose. I think he was phoning it in, protecting his arm while he waited out the O’s.
Why are you gonna give 110% for a team whose season is over on April 1st? Scale back, show some flashes and bide your time. Dude’s going to be a monster. Also, I bet his average velo ticks up substantially.
StandUpGuy
This is the move the Halos decided to make instead of signing Gerrit Cole. They are officially out of the Cole race now. They said a top 4 overall draft pick should be able to take over as their ace.
hiflew
I don’t see that this takes them out of the Cole race. It’s not like they only needed one starter to be great.
bencole
Uh… so win you become a free agent you have a track record and make lots of money?
macstruts
They are officially out of the Cole race? Oh brother.
vtadave
4.91 career ERA on the road. Why would he “phone it in” and negatively impact his earnings power??
Koamalu
Mattson is a reliever. He is not a top prospect and at best will be a setup guy in the majors. The other guys are not ever going to sniff the majors. Not a big loss for a guy that averages 30 starts a year. We need an innings eater.
If Bundy is our only starting pitching addition then we have issues. But as a back of the rotation inning eater Bundy is not a bad add.
noahflesh
He’s a troll
#LCDad
Lol, settle down. Don’t worry, the Angels will sign Cole or Stras, maybe even both. Arte wants to win now…
mt in baltimore
As an Orioles fan,. I hope that you are right–would be nice to see Bundy excel out there in Southern California.
upinflamezzz
I’m a Dylan Bundy fan and after reviewing the prospects I think it’s a good move for the Orioles. Bundy always appears out of shape. He’s got tons of talent though. If the O’s trade Mancini, I’m not going to any games this year.
upinflamezzz
I’m in Baltimore and watch all the Oriole games. Bundy is a pure pitcher. He changes speeds extremely well. I thought if he went to the NL he’d be a 20 game winner. Not sure how he’ll do in the AL West. He’s still young and pretty good though.
Stevil
You mean, other than the names, histories, and potential?
We know enough to form immediate opinions and time will tell if it’s a win for one or both clubs, or if it does nothing for either of them.
Dbacks44
It just feels the Angels try and convert these decent number 4 and 5 type starters into aces. If they get cole then this is a good move. If they try and do what they did with Harvey and Cahill, then we all will be watching a 74 win season.
Goku the Knowledgable One
“good move” as in team that desperately needs a proven SP landing the least dependable one ever?
Moneyballer
Agree. Dumping Dylan Bundy is a great move for the Orioles!
throwinched10
Don’t worry Mike Trout, your cry for help has been answered…
bigdaddyhacks
Bingo. Trout is the new Felix Hernandez. Career wasted on mediocre teams.
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
Any relation to Al Bundy?
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Ted
warwhatisitgoodfor
Ted Bundy was a Husky
gooddumps
Does that make him a sleeper?
Chebert
King Kong
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yes
jorge78
The former star fullback of Polk High School?
Ironman_4life
Quarterback. He once threw 4 touchdowns for Polk High.
airyordan
Ran for 4 touchdowns…
T_Rexx2
I heard it was 5
realgone2
Nah, King Kong
Robertowannabe
Dylan was an awesome pitcher for Polk High. Set records for strikeouts, shut outs, wins and pitched the team to state championships 4 years running!
trout27
O, but he is to Bob Dylan and McGeorge Bundy (how many of you know who he is).
retire21
Without Googling, JFK White House or at least JFK era. Right?
DockEllisDee
Let’s rock
MrNewYork24
Nephew..
joepanikatthedisco
Or Ammon Bundy
DarkSide830
feel like this is another Gausman deal. most thought him leaving BAL would help, but it clearly didnt. any faith i had in a Bundy recovery was lost this season, had it not already been lost.
macstruts
160+ Innings a WAR of 2.3.
As a 5th starter, I’ll take it.
Senioreditor
Especially out of Camden
dimitrios in la
You’d have to say more about how this is like the Gausman deal. I don’t see it but perhaps you can say more…
DarkSide830
in the sense that some believed he could break out outside of Baltimore
jbigz12
Dimitrios he’s not even knocking the Orioles here. He’s saying he believes that Bundy won’t improve after leaving Baltimore.
jbigz12
But he probably should’ve. This looks exactly like the Gausman deal minus the intl money. We got 1 top 30 prospect.
4 recently drafted—- middle round college arms. From a weak system.
It ain’t much. Fortunately enough they’re all relatively recent draftees so we’ll have time to get a look at/develop them before having to add to the 40 man. But it’s certainly not some earth shattering return.
I wasn’t expecting it to be though. Bundy has less value than Gaus did at that time. But there’s really not much to get excited about today from this one. Hopefully one of the four pans out.
We need to sign a pitcher of some sort this offseason to replace Bundy though. Brooks is gone also. We need innings.
Rexhundler86
Actually the Angel’s farm system isn’t weak anymore, but yeah you got lower prospects
jbigz12
Well I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with that. The Angels farm has been improving but strength is relative. Any major publication that ranks farm systems have the Angels in the bottom third of the league. Once Adell graduates to the major leagues that’s not going to help things either.
FWIW the best prospect you guys traded away was ranked #21 in your system by MLB.com—-that guy is now the orioles #25 prospect. I can tell you as an orioles fan our #20-30 system prospects are not very good at this point. The team just started utilizing the foreign market so the system depth just isn’t there yet.
But as it stands today this is a pretty unimpressive return. The orioles didn’t draft any pitchers in the first 9 or 10 rounds of the draft this year. Elias was trying to stock up our basically barren lower minor positional player depth. So this will help get a few more young arms in the system. Maybe we will get lucky here and find some steals. However, this is very similar to what Duquette did in his deadline deals. It’s a quantity approach.
Koamalu
2+ WAR 30 starts. 160-170 IP. 100 ERA+. From the #4 or #5 hole? That is good enough for me. Now Billy needs to go get us Cole or Strasburg for the other end of the rotation.
upinflamezzz
Bundy is much better than you think. He’ll win 15 with a good team.
Koamalu
Wins are a team stat. Much more important that he takes the ball for 30 starts or more and gives us 160 innings or more. If he does that, I will be very happy with the acquisition.
HalosHeavenJJ
I also think people overly bank on a significant performance increase simply by leaving Camden and the AL East stadiums behind.
In Bundy’s case, getting a much better defense behind him should help as should playing in bigger ballparks. I doubt he gets all that much better, but I can see a half run improvement in his ERA, which would be notable.
bigdaddyt
Don’t let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba “Spare Tire” Dixon.
delete
Angels making a real run at third place
larry48
Last more likely
SalaryCapMyth
Did you forget the Mariners are in the same division?
macstruts
I trust Callaway, but he needs to start the season as a #5. The Angels need Cole and a catcher.
DarkSide830
he might already be the 5 depending on how well the pack (Barria, Sandoval, Suarez, Peters, etc) do in spring training, and when Sho is expected to be ready.
macstruts
Those guys are 6th through 9th. And if things go the same way they have the last four years. They’ll start over half the Angels’ games.
DarkSide830
im saying currently. if the season started today, you need one of them to be the 5th.
macstruts
In that case, If one of them opens in the rotation, the Angels are in big big trouble.
The Angels need Cole. This gives them more financial space to make it happen. I also hope they add Castro. And I’d take a chance on Bentances.
Bundy eats innings. That’s a good thing.
jbigz12
Ehhhh. I wouldn’t refer to him as an innings eater. he’s typically a 5-6 inning pitcher. Not going to confuse him for a real innings eater like a Mike Leake
macstruts
The game has changed. The last three years he’s tenth in the AL in Innings Pitched. As an Angel fan, I’ll take that.
burnt_reynolds
5-6 innings over 30 starts is most definitely an “innings-eater” in today’s game. Come on now, pay attention.
jbigz12
I’m going to have a different definition of what an innings eater is. I’m not sitting here knocking him I just don’t consider a guy who throws 160 innings a year to be an innings eater. The bar is higher for me anyway
macstruts
Top ten the last three years. I think you should change your definition.
As far as innings, he fits right in there with Fiers and Gibson.
jbigz12
Hey, look if you want to call him an innings eater go right ahead. A guy with a career high of 171 innings isn’t an “innings eater” in my mind. Consistent? Yeah he’s consistent.
Though I wonder if those innings would go down if he were on a better team. The Orioles have been extremely bad the past 2 seasons so it’s not as if there was an urgency to Yank Dylan. So we shall see.
Koamalu
1 out difference between those two. Last 3 seasons – Bundy 5.65 IP per start. Leake 6.02 IP per start.
Leake would have cost a lot more in trade.
jbigz12
Look I have absolutely no issue with the Angels getting Bundy. I never said that. Leake has tossed 186, 186, and 197 innings the last 3 years. That’s what an innings eater is to me. Maybe I need to adjust my perception downward but that’s my feeling. A guy who has maxed out at 171 innings and typically sits in the 165 range isn’t that to me.
macstruts
You’re the one who corrected me. Fine, don’t call him an innings eater.
He makes every start, top ten in the AL in IP over the last three years, I’ll call him an innings eater.
You don’t. Why do you correct me if you don’t want me to challenge you?
jbigz12
I’m confused? I’m not upset about you challenging me on it. That’s cool, we can disagree. You made a valid a point.
macstruts
Yes, we can disagree. Maybe I’m the one out of whack. The last Angel pitcher to throw back to back seasons of 160+ innings was Richards in 2014 and 2015.
Being an Angel fan 160 IP sounds Herculean. 🙂
fighting69th
Like this fit.. could bounce back nicely
dimitrios in la
Bundy is a good pitcher. He progressed this last year (I shudder to think how the O’s were developing him prior to the Elias regime) and he should continue to do so.
vtadave
Yep cut that FIP all the way down to 4.73.
Phaedrus002
Really?? Dude is a lifetime 4.79 era
pburns65
Bundy stinks
rxbrgr
Most likely a quantity over quality approach by Elias.
dimitrios in la
Yep I’m sure a guy like Elias had quality far from his mindwhen he made this deal.
matt4baseball
Pitching Frenzy!!! Seems AA’s early move has made all the GMs scurry for any pitchers they can get. Except for AA they think all the same way. Bundy has terrible stats, I wouldn’t expect much from him.
jdgoat
Thank God. He always shut down the Blue Jays even when he’s had trash seasons.
its_happening
…ain’t that the truth.
nlp31
Not saying much…
its_happening
Bundy shut down the Jays back when the Jays could actually hit. Aside from a rough outing or two in 2018 he has owned Toronto his entire career. He has a shot at being on the Jays level of excellence.
Evan Siggson
No problem with this if he’s the third best SP Angels add.
larry48
He is first
Dephy
It’s a nice start but they need a Cole or Strasburg and even then, the trash banging Astros are a better team.
Phaedrus002
there is no $$$ left to obtain that type of pitching. I think the Angels are suffering from the curse of Nolan Ryan…doomed to a lifetime of mediocre teams
prov356
The Angels have plenty of money for Cole or Strasburg and a decent catcher while staying below the tax line.
Pingleja
Bundy for a 24 yr old minor league reliever…. I think I would risk rebuilding his value and trading him at the deadline if that’s the best option on the table.
DarkSide830
that’s just part, though i cant imagine its a big name prospect as well. looks like the Gausman quantity over quality approach.
CrewBrew
Cole who?
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Not a bad move but unfortunately it’ll be received by the fan base as a “WTH” move only because it’s coming before, the hopefully, big signing.
Phaedrus002
There is no “big” signing coming!! This is the team that extended the contract, for $20million p/y, for a lifetime 266 hitter and 172 K’s per season….they are locked in with Pujols and the best move was paying Trout…but how long will he stay when they are bringing in more CJ Wilson type pitchers and giving away a Mattson who shows some great potential. You can’t buy a playoff spot with a Bundy…sorry boys
prov356
Well, the Winter meetings haven’t even happened yet so this is not their last acquisition of the winter. Pujols is off the books soon freeing up more money in the near future.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Your post lacks simple logic… smh.
sithdude
Smh too …. obviously doesn’t know the team. Bundy is a nice surprise pickup
Ohtani-san
People get so emotional lol calm down buddy, the halos aren’t anywhere close to being done making moves.
lonestardodger
4 pitchers headed to Baltimore? Must be some lower level lottery ticket types in the other three
astrosbox8
He allowed 41 home runs in one season! Geez that’s really horrible, and so is his other stats. Not great
bravesfan
Omg thank god! This is the type of guy the Braves would go get via trade and I was freaking out that we would. The angels can have that train wreck. He’s no good
Setzer
Oh good. Another Matt Harvey signing. Dude is a #4 or 5 at best.
macstruts
It could be. But as I said. Callaway knows how to develop pitching. I think Callaway influence is going to be greater than anyone realizes.
Setzer
Sorry, I should have said “Another Matt Harvey acquisition”.
sithdude
A 4th or 5th pitcher is all they need him to be
philsphan1979
Could be worse…like giving Wheeler a 5 yr 116 mil deal
maximumvelocity
Solid No. 5 starter. Just what every team needs.
Mr.Ward14
1:
2:
3: Ohtani
4: Heaney
5: Bundy
6: Canning
Meh…
macstruts
For someone who list Cannon as an Angel pitcher, that tells me all I need to know about your knowledge of the Angels.
Mr.Ward14
It was autocorrect, breh. Get over yourself.
macstruts
If the Angels add two pitchers better than Ohtani, then not MEH..
Get over yourself.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Cole and Bumgardner as the 1 and 2. Solid.
DarkSide830
Canning cound and would start on most teams.
hiflew
When did Ohtani become a stable rotation pitcher? Let alone ahead of the guys you listed. The guy has pitched like 12 games in his career and zero for almost 2 years.
macstruts
Then # the A’s rotation. Where does the PED user with half a season rank? I’m just asking for some perspective.
hiflew
PED usage aside, I think less of Montas than most people on pitching alone. He is overrated in my book. As far as numbers go, I don’t care about stuff like that. 5 starters in the rotation, their order is just arbitrary.
macstruts
Just saying because the A’s rotation is filled with the same kind of question marks.
If the Angels get Cole. HUGE if, I’ll take the Angels rotation over the A’s.
Koamalu
#1 – Cole/Strasburg
#2 – Ohtani
#3 – Heaney
#4 – Canning
#5 – Bundy
Very nice. 5 guys at or above league average means lots of wins.
Ohtani-san
Just personally speaking, I hope they sign cole and Strasburg (Christmas miracle?), and push Heaney out of that rotation.
californiaangels
always like Bundy, worst case a #4.. potential #3 . as long as we didn’t send any of out top 10 prospects I’m happy
vtadave
* best case a #4
fixed it
astrosbox8
*best case a #5
Let’s be realistic here
vtadave
I was trying to be nice.
Phaedrus002
they did….Mattson who’s shown some real upside potential
its_happening
If the Angels snag one of the top arms, Bundy might become a bullpen piece. Or not.
Heaney, Canning, Sandoval, Barria, Suarez, Othani all attempting to secure starting spots.
macstruts
Heaney and Canning have secured rotation spots.
its_happening
Further driving home that Bundy might be utilized as a reliever.
macstruts
He might be, or the Angels might go with six starters. Heaney and Ohtani are injury concerns. Canning is young.
These guys are a lot like the A’s young pitchers but few people have really taken the time to compare Canning, Ohtani and Heaney to A’s young pitching. I
Koamalu
Ohtani, Heaney and Canning have secured spots in the rotation. Bundy will slot in behind those 3. All we need now is a guy to stand at the top of that list.
DarkSide830
how is Heaney not a virtual lock yet?
its_happening
Guys like Heaney are locks?
macstruts
Providing Heaney is healthy, he’s a lock.
Phiilies2020
Heaney is a former first round pick who’s shown flashes of brilliance. I think Callaway can get the best out Heaney, Bundy and Canning. The Angels should absolutely sign Cole, Strasburg or both. That would make a formidable rotation. They have the best player on the planet, the best defensive SS in the game and a great manager. I think if they can add one of the aces and improve around the margins, that they can be competitive this year and beyond. They need a stop gap RF until Adell is ready, a catcher and at least one reliever.
Allinws
Should be a perfect fit in Anaheims inability to have any healthy pitching
vtadave
61 starts the last two years.
Koamalu
30 starts a year the past 3 seasons.
FishyHalo
Soooo it’s looking like the Angels are gonna drop 40 mil AAV for Cole. Trying to add cheaper pitchers to fill out the rotation.
We need like 2 high quality arms… still.
Mr.Ward14
trAdition! This is the Angel way! They’ll spend all their money in Cole dumpster dive for remaining players and delude themselves into thinking they’re contenders… then they’ll fire Eppler at the end of the season and start the process all over again.
larry48
How many pitchers on the roster today will be ready for spring training health-wise with no limits.
Koamalu
We are adding Ohtani as well since he didn’t pitch last season. If we add Cole that makes our rotation Cole, Ohtani, Heaney, Canning. Bundy. A healthy Heaney is a good #3. Canning showed promise as a rookie. .
angt222
For that return, the Mets should have made an offer.
evilempire28
Angels aren’t making the playoffs even if they get Cole. Mlb can suspend a quarter of the Astros team and they still won’t catch them.
i like al conin
Not even a Wild Card spot?
larry48
Would Cole even sign with the Angles with no chance at play offs?
imindless
Didnt stop trout
Koamalu
Trout wasn’t a FA.
Jim Carter
Bundy could become a star with actual major league quality players behind him. I always thought a stadium like Oakland’s would be an ideal home for him.
Thurman8er
Glad to see at least some fans realize that this is just one move the Angels are making. Obviously they still need an ace and a #2 or #3 SP. But I’ll take Bundy as a #5.
DTD_ATL
I like the moves for both teams. The O’s get a ton of prospects and the Angels get a guy with upside on the cheap.
Frahm_
Image trading for Dylan bundy
Thurman8er
Huh?
dynamite drop in monty
Image trading is what the kids call baseball card swapping nowadays
niched
Kids still trade baseball cards? Where – on Instagram?
dirkg
We all know this is just the start of the Angel’s pitching haul this offseason. I like this move to start things off. I think Jon Gray (Rockies) would be another good trade candidate.
terrymesmer
This trade should get Texas and Seattle a few more wins.
imindless
As of now would have to think canning, sandoval, bundy, heaney, ohtani are the starters. I think suarez can be good but needs a year or 2 more to fine tune his pitches. I think that mickey callaway has his work cut out for him but if he can turn around the indians and mets rotations he can do the same with the angels.
HalosHeavenJJ
Apparently last year’s pitching coach, Doug White, messed with Suarez. Had him out on the mound thinking about all kinds of stuff instead of focusing on what works for him.
Hopefully Callaway can get his head straight and let him get back on track.
macstruts
I doubt Suarez breaks camp with the big league club,
Koamalu
Suarez is 21. His problems had nothing to do with White. They had to do with him not having confidence in his stuff against major league hitters and trying to nibble on the edges of the plate too much.
He needs to go back to the minors and work on his command. Since he does not throw hard, he needs to have laser-like command every time out or he will get lit up. .
Koamalu
Bundy is in the rotation. #2-#5 it goes Ohtani, Heaney, Canning, Bundy. The rest are depth for the inevitable injury fill in. Billy has to go get us a starter like Cole or Strasburg to lead that staff.
imindless
I think he also needs to go heavy in the next draft on high end pitching prospects. I love the high school toolsy players but there are only 3 outfield spots.
Phiilies2020
I’ve been saying that this is the year Bundy puts it all together. A change of scenery should benefit this guy greatly. Considering the Angels aren’t sending back any tier 1 prospects, this is a move in the right direction of fixing that rotation
queensburykid
The Orioles are going to recruit at the five-year-old t-ball league. They are looking for power arms. The Angelos family needs to ousted by MLB.
nentwigs
Angels are also in line to acquire AL BUNDY !!
Jrmomo1000
Tanner Roark and mad bum would give more innings for less money than Cole.
vtadave
Yeah combining the innings of two starters usually results in a higher number than one starter.
HalofaninHtown
Well as a long time fan looks like Arte is going to go cheap again. I expect them to sign Miley and Wood or Roark next and try to see what they can do. Trout deserves better if Arte is going to continue to be cheap and not even try to get some guys then they might as well just trade him. I hate saying that.
Mystery Team
Angels gonna Angel. You poor Angel’s fans, the finishing blow will come when the Yankees sign Cole. Don’t worry though they’ll leave you glass arm Strasburg who for the first time managed to make it through a whole season without injury, and no it wasn’t a coincidence that it happened to be his walk year. As soon as the ink dries on his contract that elbow or shoulder will start barking.
Phiilies2020
At first I thought Cole was a lock to sign with the Angels but the more I read from these baseball sites, the more I think he will be a Yankee. I think you are right, and I agree that Stras is not going to provide value on his next contract. I’m glad the Phillies got Wheeler for about 80mil and 1 or 2 less years than it will take to ink Stras.
Eatdust666
LMAO
Bluemarlin528
Lets face it, Bundy would have been our #1 start last year.(look at the starters WAR last year). Anything is an upgrade over Cahill, Harvey & Dillion Peters.
thetruth 2
They’re not getting Cole, this is their big pitching move.
DarkSide830
i think theyll get am impact arm, but its probably not Cole. i see someone like Ryu as their consolation prize.
larry48
Why would Cole sign with Angels?
Koamalu
Dumpster diving by Eppler. At his best Bundy has never been better than average. Guess we got a guy to take up the back of the rotation and eat some innings. The price was a bunch of guys that will never make it as a starter in the majors so no big deal but we are going to need several more pitchers to take their place in the system. Where is our Ace Billy?
Phaedrus002
maybe not, but that Mattson kid shows some upside potential and could probably exceed Bundy’s 4.79 lifetime ERA…huge gamble on a less than mediocre pitcher
Bart
troll
Koamalu
Mattson is already a reliever. He will not be a starter in the majors.
bigbadjohnny
A fair pitcher who can be a big time pitcher now !
Phaedrus002
a fair pitcher….he’s a 4.79 lifetime ERA and a 1.30+ WHIP what you have here is the second coming of CJ Wilson….if Arte keeps paying mediocre players like Upton $20million per annum there will be NO cash to pay free agents…and he gave away a kid with some real upside potential, Mattson. Time will tell about Mattson, but his numbers were pretty good in the minors, which may not equate to MLB numbers but your not paying huge dollars to find out. That Angel front office needs someone making some more PRAGMATIC decision making ability.
bigbadjohnny
Phillies got Wheeler for five years !
paindonthurt
Nice pick up for them. Not a wow move but fills a need.
Phaedrus002
Ah, with a 4.79 lifetime ERA and a 1.30+ WHIP….Arte needs someone in his ear about these moves…for instance Upton for 20 million a year for a .266 lifetime average and an average 172 K’s every year. Those strikeouts don’t put the ball in play, move a runner over or get a run in from thirdbase!!!. Trout is pulling his hair out wondering what these fools will do next
Koamalu
2+ WAR 30 starts. 160-170 IP. 100 ERA+. From the #4 or #5 hole. It’s not a bad pickup at all and we gave up 4 relievers and none with high upside. Mattson is the best of them and he might eventually be a middle reliever in the majors. Yawn. .
Phaedrus002
This is another episode of The Emperor Has No Clothes!!! Arte Moreno has surrounded himself with a bunch of “YES”men. He signs strikeout artist and mediocre outfielder, Upton, to a big contract then throws the Mattson kid in a trade for Bundy. Ah, just another CJ Wilson with a “5” ERA and horrendous WHIP. Did anyone read Mattson’s upside potential. Sure these minor league stats don’t always indicate success in the ‘show’…but come on Arte, you could have certainly replaced Upton, saved a ton of cash, and bought a better pitching option. How long is Trout going to want to be surrounded by a cast of mediocre players and maybe get to .500 year after year. A change in the front office is needed so someone will tell the emperor he has not clothes!!!!
DarkSide830
did the Angels just look at their list of 2019 draft picks to formulate this trade?
andrewgauldin
That’s what I’m seeing. Lots of pitchers given up in this trade. One of them is bound to bite them in the behind in the future
Phaedrus002
That Mattson kid had some real upside potential and traded away for an almost 5 ERA…but then again they gave Upton a raise to $20 million a year for 172 K’s a year and a 266 average – those are pretty good stats for a pitcher though
Bart
We know, Tourettes Boy.
slider32
The Philles and Braves got pitchers today, the musical chairs has started. The Sox out bid the Phillies and they still lost out. That shows that their are more factors than money in play for some players. I thought Hamels was going to the Phillies or Padres and he ends up in Atlanta. I think Cole is huge for the Angels as he is for the Yanks. I think the Yanks will be the highest bidder for Cole, but does that mean he is playing for the Yanks? I think so
Phaedrus002
Ah, you can’t pay Cole or Strass big bux if you’re Arte Moreno….because he spent all his money on an Upton and gets a lifetime 266 ave and 172 strikeouts every year. Plus, giving away a young potential arm to get a 4.79 Bundy ERA….this trade is shades of CJ Wilson a 5.00 ERA annually….somebody needs to talk some sense into Arte or Trout will be wanting out SOON
prov356
Glad to see someone who agrees with me about Upton. He’s an overpaid mediocre player who has fooled the baseball world into thinking he’s great.
miltpappas
Huge overpay for one of the most over-rated pitchers of the last 5 years.
macstruts
This actually makes it more likely the Angels will sign Cole. It makes it less likely they will add two free agent starters which means they have more money for one.
The Angels payroll is going up. If the Angels don’t add Cole, then it’s going down.
Even adding Ryu or MadBum would make their payroll go down.
Phaedrus002
they did….Mattson who’s shown some real upside potential
Bart
Upside potential, you say?
Koamalu
Mattson is a reliever. His upside is maybe becoming a setup man in a year or two.
dynamite drop in monty
Gimme all yer Kyles
imindless
People also forget in 2 years pujols deal is gone same as upton. Even if they sign 2 starters this winter or cole and a catcher they stand to add over the next few years while still building the farm.
bobtillman
We can assume the O’s had decent reports on the two 2019 Draft choices, and may have considered drafting them themselves; teams don’t toss out scouting reports just because they didn’t draft a player.
As for the other two, Elias may have relied a bit on his old friends in Houston, since they share minor affiliates in the same leagues, and the O’s don’t. Or it’s a trade that’s been kicked around for quite a while, maybe since mid-season; and the O’s have shadowed the Angels’ farm.
It doesn’t look like a BAD return for Bundy, who still has SOME upside, tho it seems to be dwindling. Quantity is a good thing when rebuilding an organization. Besides the obvious high-impact guys in San Diego and Tampa (Gore, Franco et al) what makes them the top 2 farms is that their #10 guys are likely #5 guys in most organizations.
Pretty fair trade, especially since Bundy’s no longer cheap.
shas
Bundy is considered by many to be the best high school pitcher of all time. He finished his first pro season in Single A with a 0 ERA and sub-1.00 BAA. Threw a 99 MPH fastball and two breaking balls. Then his elbow went an it’s been a slow slog back to health. At worst, he’s an innings eater who keeps you in games and has become a smarter pitcher. If they can get his velocity back up a couple ticks, he’s always been capable of being dominant. The Orioles have a recent history of giving up on pitchers just before they become great for another club.
cnseekatz
I like it. We needed someone whose arm won’t fall off after 3 starts. Consistency with a tick of upside for a minimal cost? Sounds good!
Rob66
I think the Orioles did well in this trade. Bundy would have been gone before they were good again,
I also think the Angels did alright too. They must be hoping that Bundy pulls an Arrieta-like transformation.
Amanda2019
as a red sox fan im glad to see the 1 good pitcher Baltimore had leaving the division( even though we took him deep everytime he pitched) good luck in Anaheim! wont improve the team much, awful rotation and a very average team
Saint Chris
Just another Angels off season. Phillies get Wheeler. Braves get Hamels. Angels get…Dylan f-ing Bundy?
cnseekatz
Think the Angels are all done? Stop it…
macstruts
The Angels said their payroll will go up.
Who are they not paying.
Allen, Harvey, Cahill, Calhoun, Bour.
They have a lot of money to add a Cole. And they really need to add a Cole.
cnseekatz
They have the money to add Cole and a #2 starter. I have no problems with Bundy sliding in at #5, or as a long-reliever.
I love when the first move a team makes is minor and everyone loses their mind…
rocky7
There are several owners who “have the money” to sign Cole….the question is does Mr. Moreno want to spend $200 Million+ on 1 pitcher who he’ll be tied to for the next 7 years……and if they do indeed need a #2 (what happened to the great Ohtani?), the added cost to do that with a pitcher like Wheeler getting the deal he just did will cause the fault line in SoCal to thunder to life.
Bottom line….don’t think so!
macstruts
Moreno will offer the money, who knows if Cole takes it.
cnseekatz
A few teams will throw money at Cole. The good ol’ fashioned home-cooking and Mike Trout will tip the scales for the Angels. Then they’ll still need to go after a #2/3 guy. They may have to get creative in the trade market to land a starter, or to shed enough payroll to buy one… but I believe that’s what they’ll do.
Kk3445
Good move. He’ll be no higher than a #4 starter for them hopefully.
kingsfan1968
Angels love the has-beens. They will next trade for JA unHaapy.
gorav114
As an Os fan this move saddens me greatly. He gets better every season and his value was only getting better despite getting closer to free agency. This move was done to early in the name of tanking. If the Orioles don’t care why should I.
Mikel Grady
No team is signing both Cole and Strasburg . Stop please
neurogame
So the Angels now have a nice mixture of #3, #4 and #5 starters with have a potential #1/#2 starter coming off TJ and on an innings limit. They’ve got to get two other pitchers to slot infront of Ohtani. He can’t be expected to carrying a rotation.
I’d tell Artie to go over the luxury tax to sign some elite arms since Pujols will be coming off the books soon and he’ll make his money back with fans coming to watch a competitive team.
MrAngelFan
As an Angel fan, I like the move, but at the same time this is not the power move I am looking for. I do have optimism that Bundy can at least be as good as Skaggs or Heaney, possibly even a little better. He is someone that we know has been able to take the ball every fifth day which the Angels sorely lack. It would be nice to add another horse at the top of the rotation, either Cole or Strasburg. I personally would prefer Cole. Since it is Christmas, I would also like Ryu, but the Angels dont tend to spend on pitching. This move is good move, but a move that by itself is not groundbreaking.. Nothing that will make us a playoff contender.
crazylarry
Typical Eppler the “ Genius” move here. Give up 4 prospects when probably a can of corn would of got him. The next move will be $12 million a year to someone like Homer Bailey and some crap lefty reliever.
MZ311
Great move by LAA. Bundy should be a real solid 2-3 for them.
larry48
Angels sucked in 2019 and will suck in 2020 if they don’t fix the teams hitting. Angels were negative 99 runs scored. Angels only scored 769 runs Astros scored 920 and athletics scored 845. If angels don’t get better hitters they will scoreless. Pitching alone will no help!!!!!!!!!!!
cnseekatz
It’s called triage. You have to assign degrees of urgency to your problems and then treat the worst ones first. For the Angels, the worst problems are starting pitching, starting pitching, and then starting pitching… in that order.
Baseballer2021
Anyone here after Bundy’s best year and him being named 2021 Opening Day starter?