The Yankees officially introduced just-signed right-handed ace Gerrit Cole on Wednesday. The club agreed last week to ink the former Pirate and Astro to a history-making nine-year, $324MM deal that ranks No. 1 all-time among pitchers in both length and contract value. Led by general manager Brian Cashman, the Yankees pursued Cole on multiple occasions in the past, but they finally reeled him in 11 years after drafting (and failing to sign) the flamethrower in 2008. Now, the Yankees’ hope is that Cole will help deliver the franchise its first World Series title since 2009 next season and serve a key role in another Bronx dynasty.
Yankees manager Aaron Boone said Wednesday (via Dan Federico of Bronx to Bushville) that the team landed “arguably the game’s best pitcher” in the 29-year-old Cole. There’s certainly a case that Boone is correct, especially considering Cole struck out 326 batters and recorded a stingy 2.50 ERA/2.64 FIP across 212 1/3 innings last season. At the same time, though, there are a few other starters who could hold the honor over Cole.
There may not be a stronger candidate than another New York hurler, Mets righty Jacob deGrom, who has won the past two NL Cy Young Awards. The 31-year-old owns an eye-popping 2.62 ERA/2.78 FIP with 10.25 K/9 against 2.17 BB/9 since he debuted in 2014. Fellow 2019 Cy Young winner Justin Verlander, Cole’s teammate in Houston each of the previous two seasons, has a case as well. So does the Nationals’ Max Scherzer, a three-time Cy Young recipient who turned in another fantastic (but injury-limited) showing this year.
Of course, beyond Cole, deGrom, Verlander and Scherzer, there are plenty of other outstanding starters you may prefer. At this point, though, it seems difficult to go outside that group to choose the preeminent starter in baseball. So, who’s your pick?
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coldbeer
Flaherty
Far Beyond Driven
I liked your comment by accident as I was trying to hit Reply so I can tell you that you’re jumping the gun. Yes he is a great talent but that doesn’t mean that he even belongs in this poll (he doesn’t).
Talk to me when he’s consistently dominant..meaning for more than a half of one season lmao
themed
Flaherty most dominant period!
braves25
@themed
That is just dumb! As good as Flaherty was it was for half the season! During that time Cole was arguably just as dominate!
Unfortunately though I will have to say deGrom is the best pitcher in baseball right now!
spudchukar
I wouldn’t trade Flaherty for any of the choices. Would you?
Saint Chris
Flaherty has no track record. You can’t compare him to guys that have a long history of dominance.
jorge78
Don’t feed the trolls!
ABCD
Well, themed, if you think that, I guess I’ll choose Yu Darvish to be all homer about it.
jtvincent
wow stop drinking out of the Mississippi
StlSwifty
Cole
Verlander
DeGrom
Scherzer
Strasburg
Flaherty
Hate away haters lol
This coming from a cards fan.
braves2
but no soroka Haha ok
braves25
@StlSwifty
At least you are not putting Flaherty in front of those other guys.
You are basing your opinion of him off of a 16 game stretch. Ok a 19 game stretch if you count the playoffs. during that stretch he was amazing, without a doubt. However we are talking about the BEST PITCHERS IN BASEBALL!!
You CAN NOT put a player in that category based off of 19 games. That isn’t even a full season that he has been good. In fact the 17 starts prior to that stretch he looked like a solid #4 starter barely able to get into the 6th inning much less through it. Only going 6+ in 7 of those 17 starts.
So if we want to cherry pick stretches, then I have just provided you with evidence that suggests he is a back end starter and does not deserve to be anywhere in this discussion.
With that said, I think Flaherty is very good. Not great yet, but I think he is closer to a #2 starter, possibly a #1 then a back end guy. I am not going to put him in the conversation of BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL yet until he can prove he can do it for an entire season. That is just my opinion.
spudchukar
Would you trade any of those guys for Flaherty?
Badacidtrip69
spudman – deGrom for Flaherty would be insane to pass up. so yes i would for any of them if the goal is winning the WS next year. flaherty had a great second half of one season.
Badacidtrip69
spudman – WS scenario: everyone on the list is healthy and on normal rest. it goes 7. who starts game 7? tbh strasburg better than flaherty
knolln
I don’t know that he doesn’t belong. Most worrisome at bat against a legit starter (not opener or whatever we have now) Flaherty is waaaaay up there. Hate cards btw.2011 grudge.
coldbeer
He makes $600k. That’s a part of being the “best starter” imo.
knolln
best, not most valuable. i….think that’s pretty clear stated imo
spudchukar
Exactamento!
BobSacamano
They don’t call you cold beer for nothing.
Phanatic 2022
I paused on the vote for that reason… is it who do you want to start game 7 of the WS tomorrow or who would you rather have?
OIC2021
Shane Bieber MVP OF 2019 ALL STAR GAME
iamhector24
This is the stupidest thing I’ve seen on here. He couldn’t hold DeGroms jock.
8
Best pinch runner
JamesDaltOn
Flaherty all the way.
Mikel Grady
If I had to do a 9 year contract absolutely. Walker buehler as well. Cards should sign him now .
knolln
Gerritt has the most impossible to hit and/or impossible to hit repertoire I’ve maybe ever seen. Being a heavily biased change up fan makes me want to say max, but nah.
knolln
Errmm the second hit should be predict. As in throw 12-6 hooks behind in the count etc…
rct
That you’ve ever seen? I assume you never saw Pedro or Randy Johnson (a few sort of current examples, there are many more throughout history) in their primes?
knolln
2I think we’re pretty clearly at the all time high of what these guys are capable of. I love petey as much as anyone, him or Maddux are standout favorites. But I think it’d be harder to hit Cole. Just my opinion.
jneumann
Degrom
Verlander
Kershaw
Scherzer
Cole
Stras
Padres2019ha
nah bruh. Kershaw?? Buehler is better than him
daily phil
yeah he’s got the best career resume but no chance he’s on this list. he was the 3rd best pitcher on his team last year, which says more about the dodgers than kershaw, but still. he’s arguably top 15
fox471 Dave
What a human clown shoe. San Diego is such a nice place. Do not get these Padre fans. Kershaw was 16-5. Buehler was 14-4 and Ryu was 14-5
Saint Chris
Wins and losses? You’re comapring pitchers based on wins and losses? Whoa, 1980’s flashback argument, I guess.
stevenam
You’re citing win-loss records, and you are calling Padres a clown show?!? Please son.
iamhector24
And DeGrom was 11-8. Your point?
fox471 Dave
Whoa, yes let’s spend hours talking about FIP and ERA+ and bore each other to death.
fox471 Dave
Never said clown show and I am, of course, not your son.
Koamalu
Talk about human clown shoe. We got a guy that thinks wins mean something for pitchers. That is so ridiculous it’s barely funny anymore.
Koamalu
@fox Of course not. We would not want to discuss anything like FIP or ERA+ that actually matters when talking about pitcher performance. That would be rude since you don’t understand it. We need to keep our discussions to a 5 year old level when you are on here so they don’t go over your head.
ronnsnow
Can the moderators start banning people who cite W/L record?
rivera42
I hope that list is not in order.
fastpitchlife
How do you have Kershaw on this list? The pole was meant for best starters right now, not best starters from 2014
8
Scherzer is better than Kershaw
towinagain
None of them have anything on…Bartolo Colon
Old User Name
Big Sexy is the GOAT!!!
Drew Waters Bat
As terrible as his career was in Atlanta, it was nice rooting for him for half a season. His work ethic is on point. Great career. Is he fully retired or eyeing a next season comeback?
mlb1225
He isn’t officially retired, but idk if a team willing to offer him a conrtact though.
steelerbravenation
DeGrom is the best pitcher in baseball
amk3510
DeGrom but you can’t go wrong with Cole as well.
Chris
Man I’m biased. As a Yankees fan i wanna say Cole, but I love Max Scherzer
8
Gerrit Cole because he get most money
stan lee the manly
That’s called timing, not talent. Not that Cole doesn’t have talent, but that’s a poor indicator.
iamhector24
Jesus you’re stupid.
Badacidtrip69
don’t bring religion into this
ronnsnow
I guess this means Jason Heyward is the 2nd best RF in baseball?
king beas
Degrom is the best. Talk about team success all you want this guy does his job of pitching better than anyone regardless of how much his team scores
Strike Four
Scherzer better.
SalaryCapMyth
No he isnt. DeGrom has outperformed him back to back years now.
throwinched10
DeGrom
Cole
Scherzer
Verlander
Morton
Strasburg
coldbeer
Morton?
SalaryCapMyth
Ya, one of these names doesnt belong.
Saint Chris
Morton has been an absolute beast the last two years. If people can say Jack f-ing Flaherty who had one good half, Charlie Morton, in my eyes, is more than acceptable, at least as a mention.
jbigz12
Chuck was 3rd in AL CY YOung voting. He’s 36 and probably won’t pitch more than a year or two but if someone wants to give him a mention; who am I to judge?
Jeff Zanghi
I know this is kind of a downer comment but thought it was worth remembering – especially considering how talented/gifted he was — had Jose Fernandez still been alive — I think it’s quite possible we’d be saying he was the best of all of them at this stage in his career. Really sad his life ended so young – interesting to imagine what could have been though given how young and dominant he already was though too. RIP Jose.
wonzibells
Haven’t a guy come out that young and dominating like him. What a shame, smh.
whyhayzee
Nancy Pelosi. Impeccable control.
sufferforsnakes
Until the day all that Botox gives out and her face ends up at her waist.
chesteraarthur
But look at her control those teeth!
jtvincent
wow. you are a sad little boy
sufferforsnakes
…..and you lack a sense of humor.
knolln
lost all semblance of control and sanity all at once and doesn’t even care. kind of chatwood-ish
whynot 2
Wicked slider too
AZPat
I think Nancy won both ends of a double header tonight.
daily phil
Nick Pivetta
ronnyalton
As a Braves fan I’d have to give it to DeGrom. I have nothing but Respect for Max and Cole. DeGrom flat out makes me sweat when I watch the Braves try and hit him.
LH
Nats fan and I agree its not realistic to say anyone other than DeGrom, but second is interesting!
sufferforsnakes
Bieber….or Clevinger?
rivera42
Civale.
BobSacamano
Kluber. No wait.. Bauer.
jbigz12
No mention of Clase?
BobSacamano
Case dismissed! Did I tell you he throws like a bajillion miles per hour?! Haha
gorav114
Degrom and Cole are very good but in a one game winner take all im putting Scherzer out there all day every day
fastpitchlife
I’m with you on that one
chippahawk
Facing scherzer or degrom has always reminded me of facing Doc Halladay, but giving the nod to scherzer for his longevity of dominance.
Give me soroka, greinke, and/or Corbin over Kershaw right now.
swinging wood
Clayton Kershaw is the best pitchers since…. oh wait, it’s not 2012 anymore?
bhambrave
Julio Teheran.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Gooden
Clemens
Saberhagen
Hershiser
Tudor
Stieb
Blyleven
Scott
Morris (because he is a gamer)
YakAttack
Is this R.B.I. Baseball for the NES?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I had a dream it was 1985 again. Fernando should be in there too.
terry g
Spahn
Ford
Ryan
Koufax
Drysdale
Marichal
Martinez
Clemens
Young
Groves
Gibson
Gooden
Maddox
Seaver
Ruth
trout27
Don’t leave out Walter Johnson.
trout27
And Steve Carlton
iamhector24
DeGrom is better than that entire list.
iamhector24
(Not Terry’s list lol)
fox471 Dave
Hahaha
hiflew
DeGrom is nowhere close to peak Gooden or peak Clemens. Peak Saberhagen is pushing it as well.
Daver520
Sonny Gray
CardsFan77
Obviously a cards fan here and it’s awesome to see Flaherty get some love. But, he will have to keep repeating to get on the magic list which i believe he will of health is on his side. But honestly, this has to go to Mad Max… The guy is a beast and hes been doing it year after year after year… Lets just all tip our cap to this.. DeGrom is amazing, Cole got paid but Mad Max can still strike you out with a broken back lol
southi
In my opinion currently that title goes to Max Scherzer, but I think it is very likely that Mike Soroka will be the best pitcher of the upcoming decade.
rathman53
Other. Wait to see Luzardo next year.
FatChance65
Pomeranz.
Saint Chris
Flaherty has no track record. You can’t compare him to guys that have a long history of dominance.
Saint Chris
You can’t go wrong with any of them. I would probably put Cole last, though, just based on the fact that he’s only had two really good years, where the other guys have long track records of dominance.
LH
Degrom-Max-Cole-Verlander
VonPurpleHayes
deGrom did not come out of the gate strong in 2019, but really turned it around and removed any doubts I had. The guy is a beast. Best in baseball right now in my opinion. That being said, the other guys in this pole did it on the big stage. So there’s really no wrong answer.
bravesfan
Cole isn’t really top 3 on this list in my opinion. He hasn’t been the most consistent on the list. Don’t get me wrong though, he’s been awesome… it’s like finding the littlest thing against him.
saintguitar
This poll is absolutely useless without further clarification. Best starter based on what? Wins? ERA? Helping the team win the Championship? Age? Injury records? Value compared to salaries?
“Best” starter is so ambiguous to answer.
BobSacamano
Yeeeah I think it’s the whole package related to being “the best” starting pitcher. Minus half the things you said
nymetsking
Yes
iamhector24
Based on your opinion. THATS WHY ITS A FN POLL.
dan-9
It generally just means who is the best at pitching. Not sure why you’re overthinking this.
Keithbw22
New pole…
Greatest starting pitcher ever. I got Pedro. (Not Astacio)
nymetsking
Feliciano?
fox471 Dave
Please!
econ101
I’m thinking Scherzer. deGrom’s limitation of runs is impressive. Cole’s unhittability is impressive. Verlander’s long career of consistency is impressive. Ultimately, however, I find Scherzer more impressive than Verlander. Cole is 2 years into kicking it into high gear. Nothing to scoff at!!! But against Scherzer, it falls short. deGrom is probably my second pick.
thunderroad19
Max and Verlander just because they’ve been so good, so long. My list of choices would have included Greinke too.
baseball365
Too funny. Commenters on this site are such a bunch of wacko’s sometimes. Lol. I think I just read a comment that Cole is inconsistent and a whole lotta Braves fans that apparently are still bitter about the Yankees dominating them in the 90’s.
But seriously, if looking at this in the shortest lens possible, it’s Gerrit Cole, with DeGrom and Scherzer rounding out the top 3 pitchers in the game at the moment. It’s surprising there is any debate at all.
khopper10
Verlander just beat Cole for the Cy so I’m surprised that you’re surprised.
xSpecBx
I think it was a toss up between Cole and Verlander. Statistically, Cole was better, but not by much. He had a better ERA, a better ERA+, a better FIP, but Verlander had 1 more win and threw more innings. I think it should have been Cole, but you can’t argue much with Verlander. Hard to compare leagues, but I would say DeGrom is the best in the game right now. He puts up great numbers with a questionable defense behind him.
maximumvelocity
Ross Detwiler
zedisdead
TOP 20 for 20:
DeGrom
Scherzer
Cole
Strassburg
Verlander
Buehler
Flaherty
Bieber
Clevinger
Sale
Nola
Syndegard
Kluber
Gray
Castillo
Kershaw
Greinke
Corbin
Wheeler
Carrasco
skyyalpha
…Ryu? The man was literally the first runner-up for the CY. No respect.
Joegio
Best starter. Degrom
Best pitcher i ever saw. Sandy koufax
macstruts
The answer is obvious. It should be who is the second best pitcher in baseball.
Bruin1012
Yup DeGrom 1 who’s after that it’s up for grabs.
jtvincent
cole is not any better than max for less years and less innings
think it thru
DeGrom first off the board in FB then Cole/Verlander/Scherzer in ANY order.
John Luke
Dylan Bundy
SalaryCapMyth
This is the sort of thing that can change year to year. Last year I would have said Sherzer, But DeGrom has outperformed him back to back years. But pitchers such as Cole, Sherzer and Verlander are within striking distance.
To be clear, since it’s been brought up a few times, the most valuable starter is probably Flaherty, Soroka, Beuhler or maybe even Castillo. These are pitchers I would rather build a rotation around than any of the above mentioned starters.
Saint Chris
Bieber and Gialito come to mind when talking value.
iamhector24
You’d rather build a rotation without an actual ace. Good to know.
wright1970
DeGrom
Verlander
Cole
Max
Strasburg
Flaherty
anthony c
Chris Sale
Eatdust666
deGrom
Attystephenadams
Please just watch DeGrom for a month and you’ll see why he’s the most dominant pitcher in mlb right now. The others are all excellent, but Jake is number 1 right now.
stevenam
DeGrom has the best best year and the best worst year of the group. Hit prevention, walk prevention, run prevention, he excels at all of them. He’s the best pitcher in the game.
leolujan77
Cole was overpaid!! He is not in the top 3
5toolMVP
Cy Young
everlastingdave
Degrom over Scherzer for right now. These extended lists are missing Lucas Giolito, though.
jneumann
Degrom
Verlander
Scherzer
Cole
Stras
fox471 Dave
DeGrom lifetime record 66-49, ERA 2.62.
Kershaw
169-74 ERA 2.44
Vladguerrerojr20
Marco Estrada is the best pitcher in baseball and arguably the best pitcher of all time.
mattymets
Wow. I thought maybe I was biased as a Mets fan. Nice to see baseball fans recognize how great deGrom is. Shame he gets no run support.
thetruth 2
We all know it’s Cole, but some fans are bitter so pick the clearly worse DeGrom.
PinstripedPride
Perhaps it is deGrom due to his longer track record and stability every year, but Cole makes a compelling case. Look at this season’s numbers; he was excellent last year also. If Cole can replicate or come close to his 2019 numbers then he has to get the nod. It’s a close call between deGrom and Cole, but if deGrom is #1 then Cole is undisputedly #2 overall. He’s better than Mad Max and yes he’s better than Verlander too
sds718
The thing is Aaron, there are arguably other teams in baseball besides arguably the 2nd most successful team in the AL East for many years now, and it’s kind of weird but arguably as much as the fans and media have brains that extend out a whole two months back in most cases, a very strange and arguably absurd truth that the other team that arguably plays in the other league has actually been deeper in the playoffs more recently than not so arguably the greatest baseball franchise in history… There actually need not be much arguing because there’s actual hardware… Which arguably is not taken as seriously unless it can add to the history of the DH league team in what is arguably a 2 team baseball city…. That is of course if a team that doesn’t spend enough money according to the geniuses on the radio or in the papers and most certainly arguably in the bleachers at the Stadium can even be considered a pro team. Let’s be honest, a team that spent over a billion dollars and is worth nearly 3 bil is arguably just a joke compared to the teams who laugh at the luxury tax. Anywho…very nice to see the smart voters who offered the back to back Cy young winner a temporary best pitcher designation.
“… And there’s a deep drive to left and itttttts Gaaaaaahnnnnn Aaaaaaarguably Booooone!.. “
charles stevens
The stats say Verlander.
dark vengeance
Reynsdorf
Selkies
Can’t go wrong with any one of deGrom, Cole, or Scherzer, in my opinion. I do think Verlander is just a half notch below them.
I’m interested to see if any of the up-and-coming guys like Jack Flaherty, Lucas Giolito, Walker Buehler, Shane Bieber, Luis Castillo, Tyler Glasnow, and Mike Soroka can take the next step and start to stake a claim for themselves in this discussion by this time next year.
jdan74
Very good pitcher, but a ridiculously bad contract. It’ll pay off for the first 4 years, and then the bottom will fall out. Enjoy the painfully long last 5 years of that contract. WAY too many years.
padam
DeGrom. Aside from the two blowouts back-to-back where he forgot who he was, his numbers would’ve been insane. When he goes on the mound, the only question is can the Mets score a run or two.
Mikel Grady
Cole never won the World Series and Strasburg dominated. How is Strasburg not on this poll?
padam
WS is a team effort – Cole did his part to win one. And one can argue that Cole deserved to win the Cy Young this past year, with a banner year prior. If further proof is required, Cole got the bigger contract.
Rosstradamus
Sadly, Jose Fernandez should be the answer to this question! RIP Jose!!!
goldenmisfit
Have to go with Cole. 2.50 ER a in the American League definitely will trump Jacob deGrom 2.43 in the National League.
Rosstradamus
Guess I’ll also mention Shohei Ohtani! He’s gonna be back on the bump again this season and already has AWESOME value as an everyday player/middle of the order bat, on top of having ‘ace’ type stuff!
think it thru
DeGrom on stro’s or nyy roster would be a 30g winner – every year. Max, stras, Cole and Verlander all would have major regression if they had the same lack of run support the Mets gave DeGrom