In five-time All-Star third baseman Nolan Arenado, the Rockies unquestionably have one of the majors’ blue-chip players. At the same time, though, Arenado’s on-field value could place him among the game’s most appealing trade chips. The Rockies did make a franchise-record commitment last offseason to Arenado, adding a guaranteed seven years and $234MM to the $26MM he was already set to rake in during the 2019 campaign. Based on that, Arenado should be a member of the Rockies for the long haul, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that they’ll go in another direction this winter.
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As of a few weeks ago, the Rockies and general manager Jeff Bridich were reportedly open to listening to offers for the 28-year-old. The Braves and Rangers, teams that still haven’t filled their third base needs as the new year approaches, showed interest thereafter in Arenado. Meanwhile, the Nationals, Phillies, Dodgers and maybe the Twins come to mind as teams that could at least kick the tires of Arenado if they lose out on the top free-agent third baseman left on the board, Josh Donaldson, or fail to swing a trade for someone like Kris Bryant of the Cubs. (Bryant looks like a more realistic trade candidate than Arenado right now, though the service-time grievance the former filed against the Cubs – does he have one year of control left or two? – has helped prevent his market from heating up thus far.)
On the other hand, considering Arenado has established himself as one of the sport’s most valuable players, Colorado would likely be content to keep him. Indeed, Buster Olney of ESPN has recently heard that the Rockies aren’t aggressively shopping Arenado. While the team was woeful last season during a 71-win showing, Arenado did help the Rox to playoff berths in each of the previous two years. So, Bridich could regard the Rockies’ failed 2019 as a fluke and look for a bounce-back effort from his Arenado-led roster next season.
Even if the Rockies are willing to part with Arenado, though, an offer they deem palatable may not be easy to find. After all, Arenado’s contract still contains a boatload of money – the deal he signed before last season hasn’t even kicked in yet, though it looks reasonable enough in light of fellow third baseman Anthony Rendon’s seven-year, $245MM pact with the Angels. Beyond that, Arenado has a full no-trade clause that gives him the right to veto any move. He also has the ability to opt out after the 2021 campaign, and if interested teams are worried he’ll take advantage of that, it’ll tamp down his trade value.
If not for Arenado’s opt-out clause, the Rockies would be in the catbird seat here. There wouldn’t be any real pressure to part with the face of their franchise and one of the greatest players they’ve ever had. But if the Rockies don’t expect to contend prior to Arenado’s opt-out chance, maybe they ought to market one of baseball’s leading superstars now.
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Yes. Trade Arenado because the Rockies have a zero percent chance of making the playoffs anyways. The Rockies can miss the playoffs WITHOUT having to pay Arenado over $30 million a year. No reason to pay him when they can’t contend anyway.
He puts butts in seats
That’s true. But these owners get so much money through network deals. attendance is becoming not important. That’s one of the main problems with MLB, these owners can make money without spending on players. Baseball is on dangerous ground.
Betts doesn’t play in CO.Hes a better player p
There appears to be no magic in this eightball
Why can’t they contend? This is basically the same team that made the playoffs 2 years in a row. Last year they were awful, but their entire starting rotation missed the 2nd half of the season. Injuries decimated them more than any other team in the league, aside from maybe the Yankees and they have a big enough payroll to afford those injuries. If this Rockies team gets healthy and stays healthy, they are right in the thick of the NL West title.
Yeah, but looking at it that way prevents Arenado being on someone’s favorite team. Outside perspectives are never about how the Rockies can succeed, it’s about how they can lose more.
Imagine if this was the AL West
Astros: Alex Bregman
A’s: Matt Chapman
Angels: Anthony Rendon
Rangers: Nolan Arenado
Mariners: Kyle Seager
Imagine if this was the NBA and one player mattered that much.
All are superstars and then… Kyle Seaver
Agreed
Hahaha thought about leaving him out but I thought I might as well round it out
I like your imagination.
Seager ?? Lol
Yeah. My bad it auto corrected
If that’s the case, the Angel’s should trade trout and rendon because they won’t win the world series. The rangers shouldnt try and get Arenado because they wont win the world series. Chapman should be traded because the A’s wont win the world series.
Trout and Chapman don’t have opt-out clauses that enact in 2021.
Rockies have a wealth of teams looking for a 3B now, and if they wait another year, that market can dwindle. Especially if he gets injured.
Of course, if they do nothing, and he opts out, they get nothing in return for him. Better to trade him while they can if they are series about their future.
Very slim chance that anyone is giving up multiple top three or four prospects and taking on his entire salary. Playing in Colorado only gives teams another reason not to make the trade (whether that’s justified or not is a whole nother topic)
It’s entirely justified. His home OPS is about 200 points higher than away. At home, he’s elite, an absolute stud. On the road, he’s a slightly above average hitter with a good glove.
Exactly so why pay 30m per year and your best prospects for slightly above average with a good glove?
J. Segura
O. Herrera
N. Williams
A. Bohm
C. Irvin
E. De los Santos
R. Marchan
For
N. Arenado
K. Freeland
B. Shaw
Rockies would laugh them off the phone.
Is that a joke?
Yea… that’s a bunch of trash. It would start out Bohm, Howard, Medina + Robertson and Odubel to balance some of the cash. But, pretty sure theres better packages out there.
In my theoretical proposal, Phillies take on ALL salary so I didnt include Howard. Medina, sure throw him in and maybe they take Robertson as well to balance it out a little bit. That’s why I included Odubel but evidently noones touching him.
That first offer is ridiculous. I do think we’d keep Howard if we’re giving up Bohm though. I think Bohm, Stott, Morales and De Los Santos would get their attention for sure though.
Rockies get the OF depth they desperately need, and move Segura to 2B. Bohm, who would probably rake in that park, becomes your controllable 3B with Ian Desmond/Ryan McMahon platoon at 1B. Still a decent INF with Story up the middle. They get two MLB ready arms and the catching prospect they’ve been seeking while shedding $225mil.
Phils get their missing piece, a stud 3B to protect Harper, a lefty with upside to slot in between Wheeler & Arrieta, plus a bounceback candidate for the bullpen while narrowly avoiding the 2nd luxury tax threshold.
I see what you are getting at with balancing out the money and what not but the problem is, Arenado is worth what he is paid. So getting the Rockies to eat some of his salary means you will have to pay even more in talent so Herrera is absolutely out.
Segura is a league average infielder with some position flexibility. That doesn’t give him a lot of value though. I suppose he could be Arenado’s spot holder but that isnt going to cover a lot of the cost in talent it will take to get him.
Nick Williams is looking worse every year. His 2017 rookie season he might have counted towards Arenado. Even after his 2018, maybe you can still use him but he is getting to far removed from his 2017 rookie season.
Bohm is a legitemate payment in talent toward Arenado but the OTHER three are pretty low down in even the teams top 30 let alone the over all top 100.
If you want to have a real package that MIGHT land the guy, it’s going to be something that hurts your feelings.
Bohm
Howard
Medina
Segura
And in addition to this package the Phillies take on Arenado’s entire contract and I still feel like I’m under selling here. My first thought was you replace Medina with Stott who is the more highly rated prospect of the two but Medina is closer to major league ready.
I don’t see how the Rockies DON’T ask about Kingery or Nola but that’s where an Arenado trade starts making less since for the Phillies.
If you’re taking on Arenado, doesn’t Kingery or Hasley become expendable, with the remaining player slotting in at CF? Not suggesting the Phillies should make the trade, but I’d think Bohm, Segura, Hasley/Kingery, and Medina would be an attractive package.
Man you are higher than a batch of Martha Stewart Brownies.
What a well thought out retort. Did you literally go down my post point by point and develope that mastery of debate?
That wasn’t even a reply to your post, you should take a break..
This reminds me of that George Carlin joke… “I’ve never slept with a 10, but one night I slept with five 2’s. And I think that ought to count!” Except, of course, it doesn’t. You can’t trade five 2’s for a 10 (Arenado).
I feel bad for Rockies Fans. They’re in a really bad spot. Their Farm is among the worst in baseball. Arizona, San Diego and Los Angeles all have Top 10 Farms with strong good cores. The Classy Giants Farm is no longer a joke. Rox have the worst Farm in the NL West, The Rox have no path to compete in that division. They’re better off just selling and regroup. Hopefully 3-4 years of last place finishes rebuilds their farm so they could compete with the Mighty Dodgers, Slippery Sneks, Paddlin Pads and Classy Giants.
Everything I’ve been reading from local Colorado beat writers says that their GM thinks they have a winning team and that last year was an anomaly. Because they did compete with almost the same roster the year before. Last year Freeland had to be the biggest disappointment after the year he had in 2018. I dont think anyone expected Wade Davis, who was healthy, to have an 8.25 ERA.
Since people like to look at Colorado splits home and away you should look at Davis home and away splits
The dimensions of the division have changed. The Diamondbacks are much better. They actually got better trading Goldy, Greinke and letting Corbin walk. They added a ton of prospects and contributing players. In 2018 Arizona was bad. The Giants were horrible. The Padres were just as bad as the other others. Their only competition were the Dodgers and LA has had bad stretches over the last couple years when Kershaw and Turner go to the DL.
Now going into 2020 the Padres are better. Arizona is better. The only team that’s still bad are the Giants, but that won’t last long. Maybe 2 years? 2 years from now the Padres, Sneks, Giants, Dodgers are all going to be really good.
Your team name nicknames remind me of legends of the hidden temple
Dodgers are about to get Betts, Lindor and Arenado aren’t they
Dodgers got Blake Treinen. They’re done their off-season shopping.
For Peterson, Seager and Turner, with the trading teams covering all the salaries, of course.
Should Rockies Shop Nolan Arenado?
Wasn’t this a topic post winter meetings?
Why poll now?
Because he still hasn’t been traded and the third base free agent market is finally thinning out
They should definitely shop him and find his true market value.
Whether or not that value justifies a trade is an entirely different question.
With his no trade clause in his contract, probably not happening. I watch a lot of MLB, but there seems to be many players I never heard of. A big turnover of players the last few years.
The economics of baseball have become pathetic. This year you sign a sought after free agent to a long term deal or extend your best young player well into the future. Two years from now both players have performed very well but now you’re in a panic mode to dump them, eat some salary if necessary and start the process over.
That’s the nature of winning vs losing man, in 2018 the Rockies were a winning team in the playoffs. In 2019 it was a value different result which always leads to change.
I hear ya on the reason, but bemoan the fact. The sport will be in big trouble when it gets to the point that a dozen or so teams are actually trying to win and the rest are tanking. Attendance is already falling and we’re not to that point yet.
Hey Arenado…. would you like some candy? …there’s more in my van. Disregard the Texas flag painted on the side of the van. It’s just for design.
No in all seriousness, yes they should shop him, and dump his entire contract for some higher level prospects. The Rockies aren’t looking like serious contenders, so just get rid of the salary, and add to your farm.
Getting out from a $200M contract. AND getting decent prospect haul when not in win-now mode…and look at that rotation and tell me they’re winning anything now.
I guess the only saving grace in this for COL is that Arenado isn’t Chris Davis. He’s at least a desirable target for many teams even at the price, but Rockies would be well served to avoid deluding themselves into believing they’re getting anything more than salary relief in a deal. Shouldn’t have given him that extension in the first place, and they’re starting to feel the same way about Blackmon now.
Who here even loosely follows the Rockies and can answer this with some insight? I see several giving Colorado a “zero” percent chance of competing despite the fact that they were a playoff team 2 of the last 3 yrs and are mostly the same unit.
Their pitchers took huge steps back (IMO because of a juiced ball IN COORS). Lets look at Kyle Freeland, and German Marquez. The stat i’d like to use to look at this is hr/9. Freeland: 2018 was 4th in CY voting with a 0.8 hr/9… 2019 got demoted to triple a had a hr/9 of 2.2. Marquez: 2018 had a breakout year with a 1.1 hr/9 … 2019 had a down season with a 1.5 hr/9.
All in all, it is not good to base an argument off of one variable, but the juiced ball has to be one of the biggest factors as to why they had bad seasons.
Next year they will bounce back.
You make an excellent point.
I think it’s a knee-jerk reaction to think the Rockies have absolutely no shot at competing next year — based on their unfortunate results from ’19, which was largely due to the regressions of pitchers — Rangers29 laid that out.
Additionally, the Arenado talks also give the impression the Rockies are intent on some sort of “rebuild,” but I don’t necessarily see that as the case — and I still think he’s wearing a Rockies uniform in 2020.
Colorado has the talent to field a competitive team if their pitchers can rebound some. They’re one of those cases, in my eyes, where I wouldn’t be surprised if they played well, but it also wouldn’t be all that shocking if they struggled again.
The Rockies success was unsustainable. It was built around the following two elements:
1: EXTREMELY good luck with health, but pitchers and position players. No one important got hurt and missed any significant time in either 17 or 18.
2: A bunch of guys broke out, often in unexpected ways. In each season they had not only Arenado but another player (Blackmon, then Story) play at a MVP level. A bunch of pitching prospects massively overperformed all their ERA estimators and peripherals and ALSO didn’t get injured and miss any time.
In 2019, they lost the injury luck and everything collapsed, because they have long had one of the most extreme stars and scrubs rosters in baseball. They won a lot more games than you would expect in 17 and 18 because they kept all their best players on the field to an unsustainable degree, and when that stopped happening they had absolutely nothing to fill in the gaps. The pitchers returned to performing at the same level as their unexceptional ERA estimators.
The Rockies basically went out and hit their 90th percentile outcome in 2 consecutive seasons and it was good for barely making the playoffs in both seasons. In terms of overall roster talent they are probably not even the 3rd best team in their own division anymore, and they tied up an enormous amount of money in a bunch of really bad contracts that they either refuse or cannot move on from (lots of relievers, Desmond, etc Even the Blackmon deal is pretty poor if he’s no longer a CF, and they no longer play him there).
They’re a badly run baseball team that had a couple very fortunate seasons, but there’s a reason no projection system expects them to replicate that: They’re not actually that good (and their best-case scenario was WC2 in both cases).
The team is consistently run in the most counter-productive way possible, giving massive investments of money and playing time to washed up or irrelevant Professional Hitters (Desmond, Gerardo Parra, etc) and screwing around the development of the few prospects produced by their system and not allowing them any consistent playing time (Tapia is a good example of this)
Trade him to the Cardinals
Seems worth it to trade him even if they need to eat cash to get quality prospects back in return. Given what Rendon just got, I don’t think there is a ton of excess value in his contract, at least not enough for a team to justify giving up multiple top prospects without the Rockies taking on some of his salary.
He’ll be 29 at the start of the season. There is no reason to dump him just to dump. His contract and road numbers won’t bring anything of value in return. Work on dumping the rest of the baggage (Desmond)
Who would take on Desmonds contract? The only way to get rid of that is to attach a prospect of eat a large portion of the salary, which does nothing.
More like Blackmon. That contract isn’t insane and he still has value especially in a FA market that has limited COF options (Ozuna, Castellanos). Even if ATL doesn’t get Arenado (no surprise), I wouldn’t be surprised to see a pivot for a Blackmon trade, bringing him back to ATL where he went to Tech. He’d definitely be a huge upgrade to Kakes though not a cleanup hitter we are looking for.
They should, but since the Rockies are constantly in denial about how good their team is or isn’t, they won’t.
Being competitive is extremely important to Arenado and he has an opt-out in 2 seasons. The Rockies are probably the 4th team in their division at this point and pretty far from the 3rd one, IMO, with little opportunity available to them to make a significant improvement.
But they are stupid, so they are gonna carry on, win 75-80 games 2 seasons in a row, and cry when Arenado opts out and signs with a team that can consistently win 90 games a year.
I don’t think there is any team in the NL, maybe no other team in baseball that so consistently misjudges the players on its own roster and their chance to contend than the Colorado Rockies.
Not sure what his priorities are, but from a money standpoint, I doubt he opts out at 31 with 5 years and $164M left on his contract. If he wants to win, he may be willing to take a lesser deal to be on a winning team, but I don’t see a team giving him more than he will have left on his current deal.
Do you think Rendon is better than Arenado? Because Rendon is getting paid more than that for his age 31-36 seasons, and I think most people in MLB think Arenado is better than Rendon. He might not get quite the same AAV, but I bet he would get more total cash than by completing that contract and hitting FA again at 36.
The Rockies were only able to secure the extension with Arenado by promising him that they would make every effort to be competitive immediately and would not engage in even minor rebuilding, and they gave him that opt-out as a way to prove they were serious about that statement.
Unfortunately for them, they suck at team building and their roster is crap, so they’re not gonna compete no matter how hard they try.
I do think Arenado cares enough about winning that he would give up 10-15m on the top end in order to find a consistent playoff team. He is a very emotional player who is frequently upset with how bad his team is, and he shows it even on the field and in the dugout.
I watch the Rockies a lot as a Dodger fan, and I believe Arenado very much cares about playing competitive baseball.
Can’t say I watch either very much, but at least by their numbers I would put arenado over Rendon, but not by very much, with the main difference being arenados defense. Offensively, they seem to be very similar. Hard to predict a couple years down the road as I think Rendon got overpaid because the angels were desperate to show they are trying. Arenado will also get punished by the perceived coors field effect.
Do you think Rendon is better than Arenado?
Y E S
Honestly I think Rendon was fairly paid and I wouldn’t have been upset as a Dodger fan if they had signed him to the same contract, even though they need him a lot less than the Angels did.
I think you are correct that the defense is the actual defining difference, but I think the perception around baseball is that Arenado is the best 3rd baseman in MLB. I don’t actually agree with that because Alex Bregman exists.
One important thing to consider is that Arenado is really remarkably durable, and definitely more durable than Rendon, who has had a couple seasons with decent chunks of missed time.
Arenado is only better in some minds because of Coors. Take him out of Colorado and he drops out of the Top 5. It’s as simple as that and the road numbers prove it.
The splits are a bit concerning, but if extrapolate what he did on the road last year, he still would have hit .275 with 40 HRs. Couple that with GG caliber defense, and you got yourself a darn good 3rd baseman.
As a Padres fan who understands their pain. Heck no! Face of their franchise. One of the top 3b in baseball. Hate when the Pads face him but the guy is a stud. They won’t recoup the value that he is currently worth.
I think the media is trying to make the Rockies step up and put pieces in place to compete with the Dodgers or just roll over and punt…
Next week/month/year they will target another large contract like the Pujols’, Machados or Trouts contracts of the league.
This year focus is on Price, Lindor, Bryant and Arrenado….
Braves send Austin Riley, Kyle Wright, Bryce Wilson and Williams Contreras. Rockies send arenado and 15 mil each of the next 2 years.
Riley would hit 50 bombs a year at coors. 2 young stud pitchers plus a catcher with strong pedigree and Rockies get rid of 200 million in salary.
Maybe they could get one of our OF if they want to send more cash to the Braves.
I think it’s strong for both teams if Arenado would waive no trade and I think he would for a team that has won a highly competitive division 2 years in a row now.
Riley would hit 50 homers in Coors?
Quick trivia: Name every Rockies player that has ever hit 50 homers in a year.
Answer: ZERO. Not even in the pre-humidor era has a Rockies hitter clubbed 50 in a year. Only 4 times did a hitter have more than 42 and all 4 were in the pre-humidor era
But yeah, let’s go ahead and assume some random prospect is going to break all those records despite the fact that he never hit more than 20 in a year in the minors before 2019. Also, Kyle Wright and Bryce Wilson are NOT stud pitchers, they are prospect pitchers. And just because his brother is good means nothing. Just ask Jose Molina.
People really need to research a little about Rockies assumptions.
Colorado has ranked #1 in OPS every season since 2014. In 2013 they were 3rd.
2012 – 1st
2011 – 6th
2010 – 1st
One would have to assume they were contenders every year, right? In the decade they managed to win 90+ games once (2018). Played over .500 ball only three times in 10 seasons while being 1st in OPS eight of the ten years.
When you decide to research their road hitting as a team you’ll understand that the “assumptions” you are referring to aren’t assumptions at all. Guys like Arenado and Blackmon score huge contracts they wouldn’t earn elsewhere outside of Colorado. Unquestionable fact.
OPS doesn’t mean home runs. We weren’t talking about OPS. He didn’t say Riley would have a big OPS, he said he would hit 50 home runs. I was showing he was making a poor assumption. Try and keep up.
I have researched their road hitting. A lot more than you, I guarantee,
Just the fact that there is no such thing as “road numbers” that are a useful statistic because “road numbers” is not an equal statistic. Road numbers are completely different based on which team you play for.
Think of it this way. You believe Coors Field is the best hitting stadium by far, so think of this. Road numbers for the 4 non-Rockies NL West teams are 11% made up of game at Coors Field. Road numbers for the Rockies are 0% made up of games at Coors Field. That is not a level playing field and therefore not a credible way of comparison,
Of course you think your opinion of a completely imaginary situation is an “unquestionable fact,” so maybe evidence is lost on you anyway.
They should NOT be shopping Arenado… He is their present day Helton, and should be a Rocky for life…. If they need/want to move salary, move Blackmon for pitching… Or they could shop Story and one of their useless pricey relievers for pitching….Or better yet move all of Blackmon, Story and a useless reliever for PITCHING, throw Welker in the outfield and Rodgers at short and call it a day….. I can’t believe the majority of readers on here think a team should trade a home grown top 10 Player, that is locked up long term, because on paper the team doesn’t “look” like it can compete with the rest of the division. The whole sell/tank to get better methodology is becoming an epidemic with no vaccine in sight, and some “fans” seem to be buying into it. Teams owe it to their fan bases to put the best team they can create or afford to create on the field every year… Not a Cardinal fan by any means, but I sure do admire that franchises’ year to year competitiveness……. Wow that started to spiral, but ya don’t trade Arenado.
Can you imagine how screwed the Rockies are as a franchise if Arenado uses his opt-out after 2021 and walks away for nothing?
He can do that. They gave him an opt-out after year 3 of the extension because he was unwilling to extend on a team that might enter a rebuilding phase.
They have no way to guarantee he is a Rockie for life.
True… loyalty is a two way street. If they rebuild on the fly and remain competitive for his prime he’d most likely not opt out, and if he does then that’s on him… Legacy means something to some and nothing to others.
If you think he’s gonna opt-out, your franchise is a lot better off in the long run by getting back something in exchange for his departure, something he has enormous control over because of his opt out and complete no trade clause. But if you can find a place he would be happy, you could get a significant return, especially if it is a consistently competitive team and he would agree to void his opt-out as a condition of the trade (so the acquiring team doesn’t have to worry about him leaving immediately like the Rockies have to).
That would be very difficult and take a lot of time, which is why you’d have to at least start exploring the options now. I don’t think the Rockies are even gonna win more games than they lose next year, and if they do the odds of Arenado opting out are going to go up substantially. The man cares -a lot- about winning, which you can find if you google what he has to say (and what he said when he extended).
That’s the thing though, I believe that the team doesn’t think he’ll opt out if they remain competitive…If he didn’t want to be there he wouldn’t have extended, and if the team didn’t have plans to remain competitive through his opt out then why wouldn’t they have just traded him instead of extending him in the first place… I think they are committed to each other, and his opt out was just protection from being stuck on a cellar dweller
And that’s the problem: I don’t see a viable path to a competitive team for the Rockies, but they are verrrry delusional about their players, so they probably think they can, and when they fail, it will be extremely bad for them
Hence they should, but they won’t.
Bridich is a terrible GM, probably the worst in MLB.
Bridich may well not be a great GM, but honestly we don’t know who is really making the calls. Bridich at least was at least head of a PD dept that produced arenado, story, gray etc.. before taking on GM responsibilities.
They’ve seemed to not make sense for about 15 years? Guess when the Monforts took full control…
Yes, but trading him guarantees that he WON’T be a Rockie for life.
first the no trade clause, if i was arenado i would tell them i wont be traded. 2nd what are you saying to all other players, come play for us if you do good we will sign you to a huge contract and a year later ask if we can trade you because we dont want to uphold that contract we signed. 3rd why would any other team pay in prospects to trade for him, and then pay that contract, plus the fact if you do give thos prospects he could just opt out 2 years later. i know he is a star player but no team will give up both the prospects and the money for the contract plus the ntc a trade of arenado this year will never happen i dont care how despirate a 3rd base needy team gets
Arenado asked for an opt-out after three years to be added to his 8-year contract for a reason. He wants to play for a winner, and the players are smart enough to see that if he’s traded it is because the team is afraid they will lose him in 2021 for nothing.
Arenado will be traded when Todd Helton is.
The Monforts own this contract like they own Desmond’s.
Except for that darn opt-out in 2021. Monforts don’t own Arenado at that point.
Rockies prize continuity too much to get realistic about this. The Giants are bad and the Padres probably aren’t good yet, and the Rockies do have two forgettable but factual playoff appearances in 3 years. That resembles an OK reason for keeping things together, and that’s what the Rockies do even when there isn’t a good reason to do it.
Adell, Simmons, Upton, B Prospect for Arenado, Dahl, Wade Davis. put Arenado at SS
You forgot to include Trevor Story and peak Larry Walker.
Of course it’s an Angels fan with that suggestion. Move Arenado to SS! Haha!
I don’t think the Rockies intend to trade Arenado yet. They simply recognize the possibility that they may have to move it in a few years. Combined that with the demand for third baseman outweighing the supply, it’d behoove them to put fliers out to see if a team is desperate enough to take on most of the contract while surrendering a haul.
Unfortunately, Arenado’s contract and quick opt out don’t leave a lot of surplus value, so when/if the Rockies attempt to move him, they’ll either have to eat a portion to get quality prospects in return or accept less talent to clear the money from the books.
Even as full-scale rebuild trend is still in swing, teams are realizing that the contention window is tight. Once they’re arb. eligible they inch closer toward market value than affordable control. With the Rockies system not being great and not enough money to go round, they’re in a similar position to Milwaukee and the Cubs (hence why an MVP in Bryant is on the block as well.)
I’d be shocked if a team met the demands this offseason when there’s a fair possibility he could be had at a more affordable price in a few years, but good on the Rockies just to see if there’s a dunce out there.
More: Have a feeling you’ll see teams like Colorado, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and (perhaps the Cubs?) enter some sort of rebuild within the next 2-3 years. Each roster is talented, yet incomplete.
There’s enough talent on each team that’s had recent success that justifies them going for it in 2020. There’s also enough talent that could be traded to restock the farm system VERY quickly.
Seems Cleveland is trying to walk the Tampa Bay/Oakland route of trading talent while still being competitive line. Will be interesting to see how other teams approach that crossroads.
I don’t understand why anyone would vote no in this poll. Shopping a player doesn’t mean selling him, it means finding out what he’s worth on the market. That’s valuable information even if they decide not to sell.
Rockies would be better served shedding Arenado’s salary and invest in additions throughout the roster including more SP/RP depth. Hopefully anyone they acquire will workout better than Wade Davis, Jake McGee, etc.
Of course they should trade him. He will opt out in two years anyway and sign with the Dodgers
Mariners need to trade for arenado in some way. I feel Haniger, seager (Mariners eat most of his contract), and Marco gonzales. I feel the Rockies would listen to that offer with interest. Mariners have OF set with Kelenic, Rodriguez, and Lewis. Pitching they would have Sheffield, Dunn, Gilbert, kikuchi, and kirby. Then the Ms have arenado, Crawford SS, long 2b (short term), Evan white 1b, and Cal Raleigh C. But the Mariners might have to give up a big prospect on top of that trade proposal
Rockies would hang up the phone. Arenado is the face of their franchise, and they aren’t trading him for three veterans who aren’t in the top 15 at their positions.
Arenado for Boyd. Straight up. Everyone wins. Happy New Year.
Rockies don’t win that.
It was a joke, Aaron.
Besides, nobody wins that.
We know you’re joking but please don’t make completely ridiculous offers lol
Arenado for Alucuna and Ablies
They aren’t a playoff team and have butchered their payroll with horrible bullpen and outfield contracts. They also have minimal talent for starting pitching. The best thing they could do is a full scale rebuild with the focus being on pitching. Trade Arenado, Blackmon, Davis, and any other hefty contract they can while eating a lot of the money so they can get better prospects back. Story is the only position player they should be looking at extending.
I couldn’t agree more. They gave an aging Blackmon a huge contract two years ago. They have the most expensive bullpen in MLB. Those bad signings are sinking the franchise.
Why not shop him around to see what you can get. I am just curious about his home numbers versus road numbers over his career.
Click on his name in the article. The splits tell you all you need to know. His power travels, his average becomes more average.
I had to vote “no” but just based around the polls terming of “aggressive”. I don’t think they should be pushing it to the point of lower him to a dump. But why not listen? The goal should always to have the best team on the field over whatever span youd like to conjecture.
I don’t know what was intended by using the word “aggressively.” Seems to me this is a binary thing. Either they are shopping him or they aren’t. I voted yes because if the interest is there (and it seems to be) then there’s no downside to taking the temperature of the market. That information could become useful in July or later.
Great article about Why Arenado May Opt Out in 2021 Or Not.
purplerow.com/2019/3/4/18247576/colorado-rockies-n…
Basically, if Arenado 1) has a bad injury, 2) declines rapidly (like Nomar did), or 3) wins a World Series with the Rockies (unlikely), he will not opt out. Otherwise, he probably will.
If he stays, he makes $164 million over 5 years.
Rendon just signed for 7 years, $245 million.
Clearly a healthy Arenado can make more money by opting out, while also playing for a winner of his choice.
I would say ONLY if they get a deal they like. The reason is it looked Colton Welker might be the heir and they would deal or let Arenado walk. Arenado signed the extension and Welker had a lost season last year. It would have to be they believe Welker can take over, they want to dump payroll and not go all Expos/Cleveland trade.
Should they shop him aggressively?
Yes.
Will they find a trade to their liking?
No.
Shop, sure… move, nah. They won’t get anything valuable enough back in return. Keep the face of your franchise, keep fans happy, keep even the slightest bit of hope that you can make the playoffs. If he walks, he walks. If you know he will walk… sell at the trade deadline if you’re not in the race during his final season before his opt-out comes into play. Nobody is giving up gold for that contract – or well I can’t imagine they would. But hey, that’s why you shop him I guess.