Major League Baseball (MLB) and the Major League Baseball Umpires Association (MLBUA) have reached a tentative five-year labor agreement through the 2024 regular season, according to a press release from the league. The agreement is subject to the ratification of the 30 clubs and the umpires themselves, with the next steps in that process expected in Jan. 2020.
First indications are that this is not just a ho-hum labor pact. According to a tweet from Jon Heyman of the MLB Network, the umpires “agreed to cooperate” with the league in the continued testing and development of automated balls and strikes (link). The Major League Baseball Umpires Association also agreed to assist if Commissioner Rob Manfred decides to utilize the system at the major league level, corroborates a report from the Associated Press.
Last season saw the launch of computerized strike zones in lower levels of organized baseball. The independent Atlantic League became the first American pro league to let a computer call balls and strikes at its All-Star Game on July 10. The system used combined an iPhone, a Trackman computer system and Doppler radar to relay proper calls to home plate umps. The Arizona Fall League also gave the system a trial run, and MLB had already been in talks to install the system at the Class A Florida State League for 2020. “This idea has been around for a long time and it’s the first time it’s been brought to life in a comprehensive way,” Morgan Sword, MLB’s senior vice president of economics and operations, said on the night the Atlantic League experiment started, as quoted in the AP story.
While most headlines tomorrow will surely revolve around the “robo ump” implications of this new pact, it’s also worth sharing that the sides agreed to raises in compensation and retirement benefits along with provisions to allow earlier retirement, as noted by both the AP and Heyman. With the current CBA scheduled for expiration in less than two years, it’s at least some sign of stability that the league and umpires union were able to strike a mutually beneficial labor accord.
dynamite drop in monty
The umpire. He saved the queen’s life!
yanksfan2010
Hey Look! It’s Enrico Pallazzo!
WARrior
Enrico palazzo! Enrico palazzo!
Francys01
The commissioner wants to keep changing the sport. At some point he needs to decide if the sport should still be called baseball. I am fine seeing the umpire ruling the game it’s my personal opinion.
chicagofan1978
This should have probably been its own post, you ruined a good joke
WillieMaysHayes24
Surely you can’t be serious
I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.
dynamite drop in monty
I just wanted to tell you both good luck. And we’re all counting on you.
Robertowannabe
Chump don’t want no help, chump don’t get da help!
Skip Church
Yeah genius, why get balls and strikes called correctly when you can get them called wrong 30% of the time by humans? Just my personal opinion.
Catuli Carl
Playing the umpires tendencies is a part of the game.
Dogbone
Sure, except it shouldn’t be. When the human element’ is mentioned, to me, it means the human element of the players. The job of calling balls and strikes consistently accurate, is nothing that a person can do – better than a computer.
Get the calls right, there is too much at stake.
dmarcus15
Agree once the balls and strikes is automatically called Angel Hernandez might be a good umpire.
larryk317
Doubtful
themed
That 3 batter minimum per year pitcher is the most ignorant rule ever thought of. No breaking up double plays no blocking the plate. Ridiculous now this.
dmarcus15
Someone hit the nail on the head. I’m surprised the players union agreed to this it takes strategy out of the game and takes away the specialized pitcher if people want shorter games take it down to Little League 7 inning games.
Melchez
Intentional walk with no pitches thrown. Tanking is allowed. That drags games much longer than anything else. If you allow tanking, then you should instate a mercy rule. After 5 innings and a 10 run lead. That would shorten the length of a game. If you are the victim of the mercy rule 5 times in a year, the league takes over running your team.
herecomethephillies2018
It’s hard to believe that you aren’t the commissioner already with great ideas like this. Maybe by 2030 the league can run every team!
Melchez
“It’s hard to believe that you aren’t the commissioner already with great ideas like this”
I know, Right?
spinach
Earlier retirement because of the coming robot umps.
Baseball 1600
Robot umps doesn’t mean umps lose their jobs…
jd396
Well, the robot umps are fine but wait until they find out how cheap it is to outsource all the ump jobs to 11 year olds in Malaysia
dynamite drop in monty
You do realize that even with a finely tuned automated strike zone system in place, a home plate umpire will still be necessary, right? Is the robot ump going to call plays at home? Balks? Check swings? Toss the ball back to the pitcher? Eat chili dogs?
Old User Name
How dare you interfere with an ill informed idiotic rant with facts.
dynamite drop in monty
I’ll never learn.
Dogbone
Hopefully they negotiated Joe West dismissal.
socalblake
And Angel Hernandez and Las Diaz
jleve618
Not to mention it actually requires an additional ump to be behind the scenes and radio in the call to the home plate ump. At least last I heard it did, not sure if it has become more streamlined.
al3188
Should this headline read “Giant Industry Exempt from Antitrust Laws Begrudgingly Agrees to Labor Agreement with People Whose Jobs are Actually Rendered Useless Due to Technology but Weird Tradition Makes Them Relevant”
chicagofan1978
That’s a helluva headline Michael Scott
al3188
Hm… I just drew a sharpie line on a woman so I could distinguish her from her friend… I am also starting my own paper company from the ground up if you want in lol…
chicagofan1978
Yes!
Catuli Carl
How would antitrust laws apply to the MLB?
at12tone
Without the anti-trust exemption, MLB is basically 30 companies working in collusion.
jd396
The amount of direct and indirect control they have over basically all professional baseball is ridiculous.
The legal justification for the antitrust exemption pretty much doesn’t exist anymore outside the fact that it’s just precedent now.
sillyscully
Wonder if minor league umpire pay will increase. Like the players, they only make nickles and dimes a season.
ChiSoxCity
A standardized strikezone will make the game better. Pitchers with pinpoint accuracy won’t get cheated, and batters won’t get wrong up on woefully bad calls.
ChiSoxCity
*wrung up
sambino
I totally agree
adamontheshore
My only concern is how it will impact catching. Since framing will no longer be an issue, there will likely be less passed balls as catchers can get into position to block much earlier, and stolen bases might go down since catchers can get in a position to throw quicker.
BlueSkyLA
Pitch framing is a total fantasy stat anyway.
ChiSoxCity
Stat? What the heck are you even talking about?
BlueSkyLA
The heck I am talking about is the stats that purport to measure the ability of a catcher to flimflam an umpire into calling a pitch a strike when it isn’t a strike. You’ve heard about this haven’t you? I believe this skill doesn’t actually exist.
csspackler
youtube.com/watch?v=8rR22G7MgXI
baseballsavant.mlb.com/catcher_framing
BlueSkyLA
You are missing the point. Coming up with statistics is easy, but numbers alone don’t mean you have described anything but noise. Using numbers to actually describe something has to start with a logical hypothesis. None exists for pitch framing. Nobody knows or tries to explain what skill is at work, let alone how it could be possible for a catcher who supposedly has this “skill” to become better and worse at it. Nobody even tries to explain how every, single umpire from Little League on up will tell you the same thing, which is that they call balls and strikes over the plate, not where the catcher catches them. The theory behind pitch framing seems to be that all umpires are liars, a theory that couldn’t possibly be more illogical. What is ignored in all of this is the very obvious and logical reasons why pitchers do and don’t get calls. That would seem to be the place to look for numbers to describe something, not this totally illogical concept of pitch framing.
denny816
As long as they agreed upon the “Angel Hernandez no longer has a job” clause, all fans rejoice!
WillieMaysHayes24
Why do guys like Angel Hernandez, Joe West, and C.B. Bucknor still have jobs at the MLB level? They are all HORRIBLE on calling balls and strikes correctly.
nicketz
at the risk of sounding like a Pinkerton or something: this is part of the downside one has to accept when dealing with unions.
ldoggnation
Don’t forget Doug Eddings and Kerwin Danley. We really shouldn’t know their names as readily as we do, but only for the horrible job they do.
These guys should not have a job in the Mlb. The league should be able to fire them over the job they do.
But the league bows down to their union and acts like they have tenure and is helpless to do anything about them.
Dogbone
If not for Doug Eddings, the CWS probably don’t win, in 2005.
ldoggnation
Yep
Joe Kerr
they lost 1 game in the playoffs, how did 1 umpire make them win all the other games?
at12tone
Because there’s almost no mechanism in place for holding crappy umpires accountable. I imagine the fact that umpires are heavily skewed white and two of the three worst offenders are minorities only makes it harder to get more accountability put in. It would look like a racial purge, even though Hernandez and Bucknor are pure garbage at their jobs.
Baseballfreak
We could only pray that Angel will be fires! No pun intended!
Baseballfreak
*fired*
AZPat
I was eating at Buffalo Wild Wings when I saw Angel Hernandez at the next table. It was unbearable because of the ringing bells. You see, he ordered wings. And a bell. . .rings. . .everytime. . .an angel. . .gets. . . Ah, you know the rest of it.
Bronyaur111
Take an upvote and delete your account.
chicagofan1978
Who the hell will Jon Lester bark at now?
ASapsFables
Jon Lester will probably be retired by the time the automated strike zone is implemented. If not, he can always call on his inner ‘John Lackey’ and “bark” at his manager, pitching coach, catcher or fielders when things don’t go his way on the mound. lol
chicagofan1978
Not gonna lie though, I would probably miss guys like him Lackey and Peavey yelling at the umpire trying to get their calls. They’re kind of like Philip Rivers in a sense. Can’t knock a guy for being passionate. But on the other hand get the Damn calls right please.
PiratesFan1981
Everyone wants to complain about balls and strikes. But I believe that robo umps will make the game boring. Controversy is what made baseball and MLB is taking that away every year. I am slowly losing interest in baseball with all the changes like “reviews” on calls for starters. Change is good, but those reviews on calls take so much time in a already lengthy game. I also hate that managers stand on the top of the dugout before they decide to challenge or not too. They sped up pitchers by using a time clock to increase the games speed, but they keep adding stuff to extend the length of the game. I am at the blink of losing interest in baseball and I have enjoyed the game for over 35+ years. I still remember my first professional game I went too as a child. I even remember the excitement of my first major league game experience as a youth. It’s a dying breed.
JaysForDays
You won’t even notice since the ump will be buzzed for strikes and then call strike. For balls, they’ll do nothing different either. You’ll just see better, more accurate games.
DarthDbacks
They need to bring back plugging of runners to make it more exciting and more controversial. Just imagine all the fights that would break out.
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
“Robo Ump” sounds like a great name for the next baseball/sci fi movie. Maybe they can get Robo Cop and Number 5 to make cameos in it.
ldoggnation
“Stop, or there will be strikes, er trouble “.
BlueSkyLA
Good thing or the umpires would really have been in the strike zone.
john9977
I loved that movie Johnnie five is alive! I think pitching will be better with RoboUmp!
Hannibal8us
Really against automated strike zones but I’m still against any review. Think the game has passed me by and I’m only in my 30s.
jorge78
Seems like the “robot ump” would take a lot of pressure off the umps since with advanced analytics people can tell how many calls they miss and which side of the plate they favor…..
Robertowannabe
What about all of those catchers that have spent years learning the fine art of pitch framing?
Drew Waters Bat
Any writing in there about umpires leaving their attitude and their egos in their hotel rooms. Tired of seeing them show off as much as the players. Do they still not realize people dont come for them?
xtraflamy
I go to the games to see the umpires. They’re an essential part of the game I love, and I respect them for the very difficult job that they do. I wish more people did.
Drew Waters Bat
What’s difficult about a job where you can stand in one spot for 3 hours and do a couple hand motions? It’s not rocket science. When you wrote the first line, we’re you laughing when you wrote it? You must be an actual Umpire. I’m tired of seeing there ego’s come out while they are puffing out their chest to make them seem powerful. They think they are cops without badges. There is no hierarchy to them. They make the decisions and that’s final. What a joke.
I wish more people saw threw the crap that’s pulled over their face.
jd396
Have you ever personally played any organized sport at any level at all?
Drew Waters Bat
4 sports. Havent seen as much ego from the moderators of any of them as you see in baseball. A point that everyone is tired of umpires and poor, blatant, questionable, and curious calls. To say it doesn’t happen more in baseball than anywhere else is a joke and a lie. Name another sport besides soccer that refs show off as much?
Nobody will condemn them. They do no wrong and have the most important job. A joke.
Dogbone
I don’t go to games to watch umpires, I go to watch the players.
BlueSkyLA
Some fans won’t be happy until baseball is turned into a video game.
Drew Waters Bat
And some Major League Commissioners main goal has been to destroy all aspects of the game. What’s left of the game. Some fans are out trying to put a stop to the complete dismantling of Baseball. Worried about the fans, need to be worried about the crooked people running it. The Commissioner has held the rest of baseball hostage.
BlueSkyLA
The commissioner works for the 30 owners. He is powerless to hold anyone hostage.
Drew Waters Bat
The commissioner stopped working for the teams. It is a position that was created by the owners to help control actions. Hes powerless huh, why is he Demanding that teams cut 40 minor league teams. Some of the teams he suggests to cut are actually doing quite well for themselves.
How come I get the feeling that the season will start before they give a ruling on Bryant?
He is collectively killing baseball as we know it. The good and the bad parts of it.
BlueSkyLA
If the commissioner stopped working for the team owners, somebody needs to tell the team owners, since they hired him. And yes, he is working for the team owners on the minor league issue too. The proposal to reduce the number of minor league teams is how they plan to reduce the costs of developing players. The owners sure have a sweet deal. They can hide behind the commissioner and some fans won’t notice who is pulling the strings.
Drew Waters Bat
Oops. I hit the like button trying to hit the reply button. Why cant you take it away? So it’s the commissioner who is trying to be cheap with players. If you take 40 teams out, does that raise or lower your cash flow? Hmmmmm. Math wise that doesn’t add up. I could see them suggesting 40 teams that are in the red. But there not.
Demanding that 40 teams be cut is not an actual version of “working with”. Gonna be interesting to see how that office changes over the next 10 years. Why not actually work on tanking teams that are in the majors?
Want to work on making the game better. Its salary cap time. These contracts are becoming looney tunes. By 2025 wouldn’t be surprised we see a half a billion dollar contract. He doesn’t need it but he feels hes worth it. I feel bad for the players that have to play next to them.
Hay commissioner, that’s where the money is going. Need a player to be the commissioner. Have a better understanding on what hes doing.
BlueSkyLA
The minor league teams are franchised to the major league teams in a similar way to the how car dealerships are franchised to the carmakers. It costs the major league teams to keep up that system. They believe they can develop major league players more cheaply with fewer minor league teams. That’s what this is about. So again no, the commissioner isn’t trying to be cheap with the players, it’s the team owners, for whom the commissioner works, who are. That’s where he gets his marching orders and no other place. You are just shilling for ownership right down the line.
Sorry you liked my post accidentally but maybe you should have done it on purpose since it answers all of your questions.
leon willis
I hate robots. I don’t even use self checkout. I prefer the human element both in life and sport. The mistakes are what give this game character. On the flip side, I hate unions. They are the powers that keep Angel and CB still in their position of power even when they are clearly not good at their jobs.
socalblake
I didn’t know there were that many robots to hate in the world. 😉
Eatdust666
Fire Angel Hernandez
dshires4
Is accountability in the contract? The amount of times an umpire makes a mistake and ejects a player or manager is staggering. You shouldn’t be protected from criticism.
jd396
Players and managers are going to get tossed for throwing tantrums whether they’re right or wrong. Nobody who’s ever umped anything has a problem with that aspect of it.
twentyforty
Who cares? They’re all bad.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
So, getting the calls right and eliminating the most overrated and useless “skill” in baseball, pitch framing?
Bring on the robo-umps.
jhondo
Hopefully the agreement means Phil Cuzzi , Brian Gorman , C B Bucknor and Rob Drake take early retirement .(amazing how a union can protect guys who are supposedly at the top of their craft but can’t call an accurate ball/strike.)
jd396
That’s all unions really do anymore
holycow16
Go Cubs Go
giants number 1 fan
Fu*k Manfred, MLB, and Robo Umps.
ChiSoxCity
Works in tennis and Olympic sports just fine. There are no logical arguments to be made against an automated strike zone.
Next issue that needs to be addressed by the MLB is defensive shifts.
If a pitcher is required to throw from the mound, and a catcher required to receive pitches behind home plate, it stands to reason all defensive players should be required to hold position within a set distance from the bag they’re designated to defend. Allowing fielders to occupy any space they choose on the infield before the pitch is not consistent with the rules of the game. Outfielders don’t defend bags, so logically, they should be free to occupy any space they choose in the outfield.
Bronyaur111
The easiest solution to defensive shifts is teaching players how to hit.
jd396
What is the problem with defensive shifts, exactly?
Teams shouldn’t be allowed to position fielders where batters actually hit the ball and should be required to position them where they do not hit the ball, because…. why?
ChiSoxCity
Because a 3B shouldn’t be standing in the outfield or 2B before the pitch is thrown. Clearly, that wasn’t the intent when the game was designed. Otherwise there would be no designated positions to begin with.
jd396
Yeah, we won’t be so excited about robot umps when they become sentient and start shooting everybody
bosoxfan4life
Will clubs be able to challenge a call from the robo ump I wonder?
ASapsFables
The automated strike zone will be huge for MLB, guaranteeing their sport will be the only one nearly free of any judgement calls with instant replay already being widely implemented. The fact that the umpires are on board should make the transition that much quicker and easier.
bosoxfan4life
I agree. I’m just not seeing the complete point on why the need to quicken the game other than trying to keep the younger audience engaged. Also, how is it going to work with the limited commercials? Won’t local stations lose money?
Vizionaire
it will quicken the game.
desertbull
Hopefully the agreement includes a clause banning CB Buckner and Angel Hernandez for life.
desertbull
Just say no to robo-umps. If I wanted to watch a video game I would buy an X-Box
Dad
I think balls and strikes should be robo -Called .The Umps are that bad. Bring back home plate collisions and take out slides at second base. Then get rid of this commissioner. He sucks.